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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 09:57:42 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: 300TDi vs. V8i Discovery
At 19:51 15/04/96 +0800, Tiffany and Tan wrote:
>>V8 Landrover which would make the savings bigger and the break even point
>>closer.
I recently read an article/advertorial in an Oz 4WD mag, (can't remember
which one) on the SCUBA tank LPG setup, see below. They quoted ~$2500 from
memory. Sydney is more expensive than Adelaide for many things though due to
higher labour and rental rates. I presume it is also more expensive on
an injected engine (vs carb).
>>- once it is installed it CAN cost you no end of money to try to find out
>>why it's not working very well. This guy spent heaps of money on getting it
>>right but it is working perfectly now. A friend of ours was so frustrated
>>that she almost sold her County but managed to fix the gas problem and now
>>thinks it is great.
I'm not an expert on LPG, but know many people with it. I also drove LPG
taxis for several years when a student. My opinion is that LPG is still
worth it for big petrol engines, but IS something else to go wrong and quite
often does.
>>- it is now possible to buy 3 scuba type tanks to place under the vehicle
>>rather than having to install one big tank in the back (which takes up heaps
>>of room). It don't know what the cost of this would be but it's something
>>we are going to look at doing.
See above. The SCUBA type tanks (in the article I saw) still sit on the
rear floor, with a new false floor above them. The co which devised this
setup is British and Swedish Motors, Sydney, phone 61 2 9970 6654,
fax 61 2 9913 7130.
>>Personally nothing beats the sound of a V8. Listen to the both of them (V8
>>and a Diesel) and you'll what I mean.
The rattle of a diesel, especially in a beloved LR, can grow on you with time!
>Thank you for your comments re V8 and diesel. What's
>a LR County? Haven't heard of that one. The engine in
>the County , an '85 model, would probably be the 2.2L
>normally aspirated diesel which I believe is absolutely
>gutless.
An LR County (in Australia) was the "luxury" version of a 110 (now Defender).
It came standard with carpet, cloth seats, power steering, stereo,
and air cond (I think it was std).
You can also get a 90 County in Europe, or a RR County in USA.
>The diesel I'm refering to would be the diesel engine fitted
>to the current 300TDi Discovery and the Defender series. Its
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>aspirated diesel - 83 kW and 265 NM. But one really cannot decide
>on published data without input from owners.
Australian 110 diesels prior to TDi had a factory fitted Isuzu 4BD1
3.9 L. Published stats are 66 kW @ 3200 rpm and 245 Nm @ 1900 rpm.
This is very much a truck motor and they are well regarded for durability.
So far my Isuzu has done 270000 km with only oil and filter changes, and one
starter motor rebuild. Beyond minor to moderate oil leaks the motor has been
faultless.
>The wife and I are contemplating taking about 6 months off
>to explore the Ozzie Outback. Therefore range and fuel availibility
>considerations would be paramount. I believe that the diesel has a fuel
>consumption between 9-12 km/L giving us a range of 790-1,000 km
>with the standard 88.5L tank.
While it is supposed to be possible to drive around Australia on Highway 1
only on LPG, and all big towns have it, once you start to make side tracks,
it will mean running on petrol. Diesel and petrol are much more available,
but petrol especially can be double the city price in the real outback. The
superb touring range of LR diesels allows you to avoid filling up at high
priced places where petrol cars have no choice (except arkward jerry cans).
If you intend doing really adventurous stuff, diesel is much safer to carry
in jerry cans.
I'd go for the TDi. If you'd consider going "downmarket", Defender 110 TDi's
can be had for less than a Disco, and offer more room for a round Oz safari,
or in my case surfari.
Regards
James Carley
Water Research Laboratory
University of New South Wales
'85 110 County 3.9D
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 05:50:56 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES <tonyy@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: 300TDi vs. V8i Discovery
Hi All,
just my 2c worth on the LPG/diesel debate. My LPG conversion cost $1500
and paid for itself in 12 months. The place I had it done imported a
special kit for the Rover V8 from New Zealand and I have had absolutely
no trouble with it at all. IMHO the motor runs better on LPG, starts
easier etc.
Availability is the biggest problem. On the main highways it is OK, but
it can be extremely annoying to turn up at a roadhouse to find their LPG
pump is busted and then having to pay 90c/litre for petrol. That has
happened to me a few times. Off the beaten track once the LPG tank is
empty then it just takes up a lot of space.
I just love the V8 engine, never get tired of listening to it, love the
effortless off road power, but if I had the cash (not likely before I
retire, when we'll all have private hovercars anyway) I would buy a TDi
Defender.
Congratulations Tiffany on your purchase, if you are like me when I
bought our 110 the grin won't fade for years.
I reckon that Port Hedland is the Landrover capital of Australia. There
are three red 110s, 2 blue, 2 white, 1 green, 1 brown, about 8 Defender
110s, 2 130s, about 10 Discoverys and *heaps* of oldies. All in a
population of about 12000.
Better stop rambling and do some work.
Cheers.
Tony Yates.
Red 110V8.
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:54:50 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES <tonyy@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: 300TDi vs. V8i Discovery
Hi All,
just my 2c worth on the LPG/diesel debate. My LPG conversion cost $1500
and paid for itself in 12 months. The place I had it done imported a
special kit for the Rover V8 from New Zealand and I have had absolutely
no trouble with it at all. IMHO the motor runs better on LPG, starts
easier etc.
Availability is the biggest problem. On the main highways it is OK, but
it can be extremely annoying to turn up at a roadhouse to find their LPG
pump is busted and then having to pay 90c/litre for petrol. That has
happened to me a few times. Off the beaten track once the LPG tank is
empty then it just takes up a lot of space.
I just love the V8 engine, never get tired of listening to it, love the
effortless off road power, but if I had the cash (not likely before I
retire, when we'll all have private hovercars anyway) I would buy a TDi
Defender.
Congratulations Tiffany on your purchase, if you are like me when I
bought our 110 the grin won't fade for years.
I reckon that Port Hedland is the Landrover capital of Australia. There
are three red 110s, 2 blue, 2 white, 1 green, 1 brown, about 8 Defender
110s, 2 130s, about 10 Discoverys and *heaps* of oldies. All in a
population of about 12000.
Better stop rambling and do some work.
Cheers.
Tony Yates.
Red 110V8.
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:24:30 +0800
From: Tan Kit Sun <foxtan@singnet.com.sg>
Subject: BMW engined diesel
After, hours on the WW Web, I've finally located the Land Rover model
using the 6 cylinder turbo charged 2.5L BMW diesel engine.
It is currently only available in the UK on the Range Rover DSE.
I suppose that eventually the engine will be available for the
Discovery.
Kit S. Tan
Asst. Curator
Singapore Zoological Gardens
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