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1	noel Puzey [noelp@bom.go	48	Re: Polybushes for a 110
2	Doug McPherson [haystack	30	Tyres for a 110, revisited.
3	Doug McPherson [haystack	30	Tyres for a 110, revisited.
4	Tom Cooper [tomcoop@ozem	23	Re: Tyres for a 110, revisited.
5	"Hugh Grierson" [Hugh.Gr	19	Re: Tyres for a 110, revisited.
6	Michael McKinnon [bigbea	46	[Fwd: Tyres for a 110, revisited.]
7	Doug McPherson [haystack	29	110 Tyres, the return !!!
8	Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite.	31	Re: 110 Tyres, the return !!!
9	Doug McPherson [haystack	24	110 again !! Is the wheel alignment settable ?
10	James Mercer [james@mips	38	A big trip
11	Graeme Perkes [gperkes@n	19	RE: Tyres for a 110, revisited.
12	"Neil Provis-Vincent" [n	15	24 volt electrical
13	"Dr. Neil Provis-Vincent	17	24 volt electrical system
14	"Alan Logue" [logue@a011	34	Re: 24 volt electrical
15	"Dr. Neil Provis-Vincent	26	Re: 24 volt electrical
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:40:31 +0800
From: noel Puzey <noelp@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Polybushes for a 110

>To: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
>From: noel Puzey <noelp@bom.gov.au>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>>polybushes ?
>Hi doug,
>just in regard to polybushes - not totally related to landies but the same
principles apply. Have had a number of vehicles with polybushes fitted  -
there are many available for all sorts of vehicles but a few basic
principles apply (the latest project is a ford cobra kit car):
>1. Polybushes are great for direct replacement of RUBBER ONLY bushes what I
mean is where you pull the fitting out and it is all rubber eg most swaybar
mountings, panhard rod etc.
>2. They are not so good (although you can still buy them!!)where the
>From: noel Puzey <noelp@bom.gov.au>
replacement bush is  of the metalastic type - the old bush comprises a
rubber inner bonded to a metal outer sleeve and a metal inner sleeve. The
polybush fatigues much quicker in this application
>because the poly is just too inflexible.( Generally the metalastic type
ones are used in trailing arm or wishbone(control arm) setups. The polybush
can be too stiff here to allow the suspension enough give - the result a
harsher ride, more road noise and too much stiffness. OE metalastic bushes
are probably the way to go here.
>3. I would suggest a mixture of polybushes where appropriate and rubber in
>From: noel Puzey <noelp@bom.gov.au>
the other applications. There are two main suppliers in Australia with heaps
of bushes either made now or about to come on to the market in December 96 -
and the 2 suppliers often make complementary bushes so you have to go to
both to get all that you need.
>The two companies I know of are superpro in Brisbane Qld and (I think
Polybush in Victoria).
>For info the prices of rubber/poly bushes vary considerably. I am not sure
>From: noel Puzey <noelp@bom.gov.au>
what landrover is like but here are some toyota prices (for the cobra kit car)
>Idler arm bush - poly $10, copy rubber, $14, OE toyota $187!!!
>Control arm bush - poly $30, copy rubber $24, OE toyota $243!! and you need
>Subject: Re: Polybushes for a 110
4!! They tell me they are a slow moving item and I said I could see why. Up
there with the pixies are toyota as far a pricing goes.
>Hope this is of some help
>Noel Puzey
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>Noel Puzey
>Perth WA Bureau of Met.

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:17:03 +1000 (EST)
From: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Tyres for a 110, revisited.

A couple of days ago I posed a question about tyres. Thanks for the response.

Various tyres were mentioned.

Several people recommended BFG All Terrains, and they seem to be well regarded.

A lot of the tyre dealers recommended Dunlop Adventurers, at $195 for a 750-16
or Bridgestone Desert Duellers (750-16) for $175

Back to the BFG's,
one place said to get a 225/75-16 ($195)
another, a 235/85-16. ($209)

However, Richard Clarke said this:
>Some people are fitting 235-85s but my understanding is you need a 
>minimum of 6" wheel width to do this properly (standard 110 wheels 
>are only 5.5")

I better check my wheel width when I get home.

So, which way to go ????

Are the BFG's a good tyre, or the Dunlop's ?

Any other, final recommendations ?

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:18:58 +1000 (EST)
From: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Tyres for a 110, revisited.

A couple of days ago I posed a question about tyres. Thanks for the response.

Various tyres were mentioned.

Several people recommended BFG All Terrains, and they seem to be well regarded.

A lot of the tyre dealers recommended Dunlop Adventurers, at $195 for a 750-16
or Bridgestone Desert Duellers (750-16) for $175

Back to the BFG's,
one place said to get a 225/75-16 ($195)
another, a 235/85-16. ($209)

However, Richard Clarke said this:
>Some people are fitting 235-85s but my understanding is you need a 
>minimum of 6" wheel width to do this properly (standard 110 wheels 
>are only 5.5")

I better check my wheel width when I get home.

So, which way to go ????

Are the BFG's a good tyre, or the Dunlop's ?

Any other, final recommendations ?

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:01:55 +1100
From: Tom Cooper <tomcoop@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Tyres for a 110, revisited.

Doug McPherson wrote:
> A couple of days ago I posed a question about tyres. Thanks for the response.

I've heard good things about the desert duellers. They seem to last well
with a mixture of town & off-road driving although off road they are not
great in mud.

Olympic have recently brought out their "overlander" in 7.50 * 16 in
Australia - this might be worth checking out.

I've been using Olympic Steeltrek 7.50 * 16 LT 8 plies, because they are
what came from the army. They are great off-road in mud and suprisingly
even in sand. Unfortunately they are bloody noisy on bitumen!

I've always regarded really wide tyres as unnecessary anyone have any
thoughts on that?

Tom Cooper SIIa 109 4cyl Petrol. Brisbane

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:32:26 +1300
Subject: Re: Tyres for a 110, revisited.

> >Some people are fitting 235-85s but my understanding is you need a 
> >minimum of 6" wheel width to do this properly (standard 110 wheels 
> >are only 5.5")
> I better check my wheel width when I get home.

I'm running 235/85-16 Kumho's on 16x5.5" rims on my 88.  No 
problems.  When I bought them I asked specifically whether 5.5" was 
wide enough and the guy said yes.  Others on the main lro list are 
doing the same.

-Hugh
-- 
hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:15:59 +1100
From: Michael McKinnon <bigbear@hutch.com.au>
Subject: [Fwd: Tyres for a 110, revisited.]
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I run Dunlop 7.50 x 16's on my swb S2A and find them a good compromise
for off-road and highway...they're pretty quiet on tar.
A potential problem running "fatties" on standard rims is that pulling
the tyre bead down to a narrow rim means you're exposing the sidewall of
the tyre to damage on sharp rocks, stakes etc when off-roading whereas
the 7.50 sits up straight and presents the tread better.

Michael McKinnon

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A couple of days ago I posed a question about tyres. Thanks for the response.

Various tyres were mentioned.

Several people recommended BFG All Terrains, and they seem to be well regarded.

A lot of the tyre dealers recommended Dunlop Adventurers, at $195 for a 750-16
or Bridgestone Desert Duellers (750-16) for $175

Back to the BFG's,
one place said to get a 225/75-16 ($195)
another, a 235/85-16. ($209)

However, Richard Clarke said this:
>Some people are fitting 235-85s but my understanding is you need a 
>minimum of 6" wheel width to do this properly (standard 110 wheels 
>are only 5.5")

I better check my wheel width when I get home.

So, which way to go ????

Are the BFG's a good tyre, or the Dunlop's ?

Any other, final recommendations ?

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:39:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
Subject: 110 Tyres, the return !!!

Thanks for lots more input !!!!!

Many people wrote and said that 235/85-16's are an 'experimental' fit on
5.5" (standard 110) wheels,
and have been for 10 years.

My next question. Several friends of mine are now suggesting BFG
Mud-Terrains in the above size.
My main concern is with road noise. The 110 isn't a particularly quiet
vehicle, but maybe M/Ts will be 
intrusively loud on bitumen. 

Anyone running these on a 110 ?

Any thoughts in general ?

Thanks,

Doug.

PS: anyone know of a wrecker with 110 bits in Melbourne ? There's a few
fiddly little bits I want to get, that may not be available (or be
excessively expensive !) new.  eg interior plastic door handle surround,
steel strap/bar that holds rear seat to knurled knob on side of truck.

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: 110 Tyres, the return !!!
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:21:32 +0930 (CST)

Doug McPherson writes:
> My next question. Several friends of mine are now suggesting BFG
> Mud-Terrains in the above size.
> Any thoughts in general ?

Well I guess Mt's and their ilk will be noisier than less agressive 
tyres.  Unless you get to drivce a vechile so equiped then you wont know 
if its too noisy for you I s'pose......

> PS: anyone know of a wrecker with 110 bits in Melbourne ? There's a few
> fiddly little bits I want to get, that may not be available (or be
> excessively expensive !) new.  eg interior plastic door handle surround,
> steel strap/bar that holds rear seat to knurled knob on side of truck.

If any one finds one I'm after the airfilter assy and the pipe that 
connects the carb inlet elbows.

These things are like rocking horse do do's, been looking for years, only 
ever find them after they have been thrown out or sold...

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:52:54 +1000 (EST)
From: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
Subject: 110 again !! Is the wheel alignment settable ?

Hi again all,

I hope I'm not boring you all too much with questions about my 110, but it
IS my new toy ! :-)

Question for this 5 minutes:  Is the wheel alignment adjustable on a 110 ?

Since I'm about to get new tyres, I don't want to scrub them off with a bad
wheel alignment.

But, looking under it the other day, the track control arm (right name ? bar
across and behind
the axle, between the front wheels) was not adjustable, leading me to think
that the alignment itself
isn't adjustable.

Any thoughts ?

Doug.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:45:02 +0800
From: James Mercer <james@mips.cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: A big trip

Hi All,

Well, I am planning a big trip for Christmas this year...  I am 
going to take the Indian Pacific from Perth to Sydney mid December, 
and then spend 3 weeks driving the Landy back to Perth.

So, I have sort of planned the trip... Sydney, Blue mountains,
down the coast for a while, up to Kosiosko (Sp?) then down into
Vic, Wilson's Prom. Melborne, Ocean rd, Adelaide, Port Augusta,
Port Lincon and then to Eucla.  From Eucla, time and money depending 
I will either swing down along the south coast of WA, or head straight
through to Perth.

I figure on travelling fairly slowly (is there any other way in
an old LR?) covering only 300-500 kms a day.

So, Apart from lots of tools, galons of fuel, oil and ear plugs :) 
what would people recomend I take in the way of spares. BTW, the 
beast in question is a 1971 S2a 88. I figured on taking a set of 
half shafts with gaskets, and possibly a set of hub seals. 

I would also be interested in any spots that people think I would
be stupid not to see.

I am sure that I will have lots of photos that I can stick up on
my web page when I get back.

Later,
James.

PS: If anyone is interested in Bush Rangies, I digitised most of
photos from their propoganda leaflets and put it up on my web page.
See: http://www.cs.murdoch.edu.au/~james/rangie.html

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From: Graeme Perkes <gperkes@netspace.net.au>
Subject: RE: Tyres for a 110, revisited.
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:30:27 +-1000

A number of club members (Sydney LROC) run their 110's on BFG or
similar on Disco rims. You can pick up Disco rims for about $100
a set from dealers (discarded by disco owners upgrading to
alloys, etc).

The Disco rims are wider and I think they have a safety lip.

I'll be upgrading my Defender from Mich. to BFG AT on Disco rims
based on a friend's experience with BFG AT on his Disco.

Cheers,

Graeme Perkes (gperkes@netspace.net.au)

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From: "Neil Provis-Vincent" <neilpvin@ruralnet.net.au>
Subject: 24 volt electrical
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:14:29 +1000

I recently purchased an "ex-military" series 2 109" 4 cylinder petrol LR
for a hobby/fixer upper.  The vehicle used to be a communications truck and
has a negative ground 24 volt electrical system.  I would appreciate it if
anyone out there would know where to find a wiring diagram or more
information on this type.

Thanks

Neil

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:31:41 +1000
From: "Dr. Neil Provis-Vincent" <neilpvin@apollo.ruralnet.net.au>
Subject: 24 volt electrical system

I recently purchased an "ex-military" series 2 109" 4 cylinder petrol LR
for a hobby/fixer upper.  The vehicle used to be a communications truck
andhas a negative ground 24 volt electrical system.  I would appreciate
it ifanyone out there would know where to find a wiring diagram or more
information on this type.

Thanks

Neil

PS - sorry if this message appears twice - having trouble with my E-mail
software

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: 24 volt electrical
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:21:18 +0930

Neil
Let me know the chassis number of the vehicle and I MAY be able to help.

Most of the 24V FFR's I have seen need to have the batteries mounted on the
floor behind the bulkhead and use a bloody great CAV alternator.

Give me some more info on the beast and I'll see what I can find.

By the way, does it still have its army "nomenclature" Plate which will say
it is either an FFW (Fitted for Wireless) or FFR (Fitted for Radio) truck.
It may seem a small point, but it will make a large difference.
Alan
ex Series IIA FFR owner.

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> From: Neil Provis-Vincent <neilpvin@ruralnet.net.au>
> To: au-lro@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> I recently purchased an "ex-military" series 2 109" 4 cylinder petrol LR
> for a hobby/fixer upper.  The vehicle used to be a communications truck
and
> has a negative ground 24 volt electrical system.  I would appreciate it
if
> anyone out there would know where to find a wiring diagram or more
> information on this type.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Thanks
> Neil

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:22:06 +1000
From: "Dr. Neil Provis-Vincent" <neilpvin@apollo.ruralnet.net.au>
Subject: Re: 24 volt electrical

Alan Logue wrote:
> Neil
> Let me know the chassis number of the vehicle and I MAY be able to help.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
> > Thanks
> > Neil

Alan,

Thanks for your reply.

The beast no longer has its nomenclature plate.  The chassis number is
153000898 and there are two batteries mounted in a compartment behind
the driver - they are accessed by opening a door in the side panel and
sit on a "slide out" cradle. The beast was manufactured in June 1960,
engine number 151992366 - the headlights are in the grille.  The high
and low tension leads are shielded.  I hope this info helps.

Thanks again

Neil

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