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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:13:00 -0500
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject: ECU output
This is a long shot but before I start trying to do it myself....
Has anyone determined (by hook or by crook) the Discovery's ECU
computer interface? Being a 5 wire interface my first hunch is that
it is a UART driven interface possibly with standard encoding.
The ECU displayed codes are a good start but there is apparently much
more info that can be obtained through the interface. The technicians
apparently use a "LR" diagnostic computer which extracts and then
analyses this info.
Also in the ECU code list there is reference to Test Procedures. Although
a lot of the testing is intuitive, there are often "tricks" which can be
applied to quickly isolate a fault.
Perhaps this is in the shop manual (which I may buy one day) but some
how I doubt it.
Cheers,
-Christian
'72 SIII 88"
'95 Discovery
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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:02:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover Rally in CO?
Land Rover rallys in Colorado are usually sponsored by or have lots of
involvment by the Solihull Society, Colorado's premier Land Rover club
(www.du.edu/~tomills/solisoc.html). The contact person is Greg
Chernushin at (800) 383-5886. He should know. This is his law office
number so say it's regarding Land Rovers and you will get priority
treatment.
Alan Pollard
Colorado Springs
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Date: 07 Mar 96 09:40:18 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...
Insurance might just prove difficult as well
I have no suggestions for you on that other than to suggest you tell
your broker what is going on. It might help if you are just moving the plates
off another car
chris browne
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Date: 07 Mar 96 09:40:22 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[4]: Disco Power
Tom Walsh wrote:
The tires are BF Goodrich Trac Edges, LT 235/85R16
These tires are to big without the lift!!!!
its about 1.5->2 inches of lift ( with tires and springs )
(I tried Medium duty springs in the rear but the tires rubbed on full wheel
articulation, I snipped some( non showing ) metal behind the rear wheels
WOW!
People think I am crazy taking my stock (for now) disco off road-
but you are seriously disturbed!!!!
Chris Browne
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:40:29 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
>I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous
>comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>John Maravilla
>'95 Discovery
John
I think that you will find that they were talking about diesel discos,
which we can't get in North America. My 1995 is a gas pig. It averages
about 12 miles per imperial gallon. That's about 10 miles to the US
gallon! I would kill for teens to the US gallon. With this thing using
premium gas costing about $2.60 per gallon, it is an extremely expensive
vehicle to drive.
Grant Wilkinson
Ottawa, Canada
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:02:31 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...
chris browne writes:
Snip
> It might help if you are just moving the plates off another car
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DON'T DO IT
I don't hink it's a good idea to post to this list suggestions for
doing illegal activities. Also, it would be most likely cheaper for
him to rent a uhaul and trailer than to pay to get his LR out of the
police impound lot if he is caught. I wouldn't think it's a good way
to begin a vist to the US either.
If you have a friend in the state you're going to, have them send you
the vehicle registration froms, have the vehicle inspected by a state
trooper in MA, or wherever you are, send them back to your friend and
have him send you the tags. This will take a few days, 2 or 3
depending on how you send the stuff back and forth, but it's much
safer in teh long run. That assumes that it turns out you don't have
a grace period. Some states, like WI, let you put LAF (license
applied for) on your car and drive it for a short while.
Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible.
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:01:30 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject: D90 moan
Over the past couple of days, the evening temps here have dropped to
the very cold regions (-15 or so). Normally this wouldn't have
bothered my D90 much, as it is usually garaged, but it was left
outside for some of these nights.
When I started up in the morning (it was only a little reluctant,
nothing to serious), as soon as it started, the engine gave a "moan"
like sound, and the oil light stayed on for a while (under a minute
for sure). The moan disappeared in direct ratio to the amount of time
the vehicle was running (obviously heating up, therefore no moan...)
Anyone else had this, and if so, should you be concerned?
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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: re:moaning in the morning.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 16:49:56 GMT
Dear all, I thought it was common knowledge that land rovers moan in the
morning about being woken up :-)
in fact the d90 sounds like my wife, has trouble getting up in the morning esp
cold ones and comsumes all my disposable income to be kept happy.
:-)
danny
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 11:51:10 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:D90 moan
Robert,
The "moan" is normal around these temps. I have found that synthetic oil
in the engine helps a lot. Also synthetics in the transmission, transfer,
diff's, and swivel ball's make a big difference in that type of weather.
Shifting and rolling along is a lot smoother when everything is still
frozen!
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 moan
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 10:19:20 MST
Robert Kolander asks:
: Over the past couple of days, the evening temps here have dropped to
: the very cold regions (-15 or so). Normally this wouldn't have
: bothered my D90 much, as it is usually garaged, but it was left
: outside for some of these nights.
:
: When I started up in the morning (it was only a little reluctant,
: nothing to serious), as soon as it started, the engine gave a "moan"
: like sound, and the oil light stayed on for a while (under a minute
: for sure). The moan disappeared in direct ratio to the amount of time
: the vehicle was running (obviously heating up, therefore no moan...)
:
: Anyone else had this, and if so, should you be concerned?
It's "normal" for mine, and I recall reading others mention this too.
Mine is also very sluggish, and often hesitates or "bucks" until the
engine warms up. Noisy too (Lifters? Piston slap? Not really sure
what either sounds like...) Don't know if it'll help anything, but I
plan to start using synthetic oil ASAP.
BTW - what's the deal with the Dakar 4.5L engine that I occasionally
read about? It it simply a stroker kit or is it a totally new engine?
What does it cost? Whats the hp/torque & mpg? Is it an actual LR
approved modification complete with warantee? Does it significantly
reduce the life expectancy of trannies, diffs, and axles? Sorry for all
the questions, but I need to get the facts so my dreams will be more
accurate :-)
--
Jeff Gauvin
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:25:24 -0500
Subject: Bull Bars
>LR has a new "soft" bull bar that is not yet
>available in the US
I was just at the new San Jose Land Rover center (in California) and they had
a new RR with the "soft" brush bar, the first RR MkII I saw in the US a year
or so had the "soft" brush bar.
>that is intended to address pedestrians getting killed by bull bars...
I have read about this in many of the British 4x4 magazines (I have never
read about it in a US magazine) I don't understand how it would make any
difference if I hit a pedestrian with my Range Rovers steel bumper and hood
or if I hit them with a brush bar.
Kevin Kelly
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:34:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco Power/D90
In a message dated 96-03-06 12:50:07 EST, jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com
(Jeff Gauvin) writes:
>On an unrelated note, I stalled my engine this morning within minutes of
>the initial starting, and had a @#$% of a time restarting. The outside
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>pedal to the floor the engine begins to kick over and finally starts.
>Is there a solution to this problem? A new PROM maybe?
I have had this happen three times , after the last time I hunted in the
engine compartment and found a possibley disconnected coolant temp sensor at
the front of intake manifold, and a definately loose intake air hose from the
exit of the air flow sensor. I tightened teh clamp. I noticed that it
starts more assertively now, so I did something good. I have had a fault
light on now for a long time , #48, idle control vavlve, I had hoped my loose
air line would solve this. I reset ECU, but still came on again. BUT, no
more flooding, yet...
David Rosenbaum found his loose also (right?), so you may want to check your
connections from teh air filter all the way to the ram-air intake at top of
plenum. Any leak here will upset fuel control since the computer is not
being told the correct air flow,
John, 94 D90.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:34:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...
On 7 Mar 1996 Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com wrote:
> your broker what is going on. It might help if you are just moving the plates
> off another car
I wouldn't advise this...
Now, if you were bringing in, say a 1964 88" LHD hardtop that is
bronze green with a petrol engine, replaced front horns, and had
the exact same vehicle sitting, registered at home, you could
probably get away with doing this. In fact, the sages on the net
might be hard-pressed to tell one apart from the other. However,
it is not something that one goes off and recommends over a public
forum. Besides, getting transit papers should be straightforward.
Some states like NY allow you to drive around on foreign plates
for quite a while before you have to register the vehicle. You
do need to have the vehicle insured, and you do have to have
residency in the state. Touring the countryside as a visitor is
a different kettle of fish though. Basically, unless you want to
permanently smuggle in that limited edition Range Rover or 101,
there is no need to do, or advocate, such things. People do that
when it is unnecessary because they are too lazy to find out the
rules. Check out the customs info for the USA in the FAQ.
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/FAQ.5.parts.customs.usa.html (I believe
off the top of my head...)
Rgds,
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Date: 07 Mar 96 12:55:43 EST
From: Tom Snurka <76550.2503@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Fuel Mileage
Fm: John Maravilla
>>I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous
comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption
rating. The mentioned it to be around 33 mpg. Is that right?<<
I'm just guessing here but I think they were talking about the Tdi model with
its diesel motor.
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:23:53 -0800
Subject: Web Page
Hello all!
After finally getting up to speed with how this information superhighway works
(took about as long as a Series LR getting to speed on the highway) I have
produced a web page! This page has some interesting Land Rover content!
URL as follows: http://www/cloud9.net/~ericz
Please let me know what you think.....enjoy!
Regards,
Eric
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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Bull Bars (fwd)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 18:24:54 GMT
> I was just at the new San Jose Land Rover center (in California) and they had
> a new RR with the "soft" brush bar, the first RR MkII I saw in the US a year
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> or if I hit them with a brush bar.
> Kevin Kelly
Hi, personally i think that Kevin just about sums up what the vast majority of
land rover owners with bars feel in the uk.
I am on a course in the evenings, for motor mechanics and when i took my disco
last night one of the guys tried to give me a really hard time about my bars.
so when he was going on about them killing kids i just agreed and wound him up
more by saying i went looking for children to mow down as the bars had told
me too :-) what makes it worse is he drives a 12 yr old mini you know that well
known soft on pedestrians car with all the steel at the front :-)
hey just to lighten the mood one of the other chaps was telling me i should
always change all the tyres at the same time as other wise it messes up all
the stearing. i did check with lland rover despite me laughing last night and
the guy at customer services laughed and said 'oh no not that one again'.
apparently some rather unscrupulous tyre dealers had put this around a few
years back when 4x4 became common to make money.
funny when he said (chap on my course) last night that 'you ask any tyre
dealer' even the lecturer said it was a con, but this guy was adamant and got
quite upset we doubted him, but i told him as it was my car i would worry :-)
makes you laugh really how gullable people are (even me i checked) and yet
these consumer programs get away with all this scaremongering and no-one says
anything. well the probably do but the tv companies aren't likely to own up
i suppose.
sorry rant over
danny.
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Date: 07 Mar 96 13:31:43 EST
From: Tom Snurka <76550.2503@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Fuel Consumption
Grant Wilkinson writes:
>> My 1995 is a gas pig. It averages about 12 miles per imperial gallon.
That's about 10 miles to the US gallon! I would kill for teens to the US
gallon.<<
Woof! Either you are one lead footed bonzai driver, Grant, or there may be
something wrong here. I haven't heard of anybody getting less than about 14 MPG
(US Gal) on road. However, I will admit to not having a statistically
significant survey here. So sport fans, pony up the info. What kind of fuel
mileage are we getting here? Respond with year and mileage of yer gasoline
powered Disco, where you're driving (Great Britain, Western Austrailia, Maine,
US, etc.), 5 spd or auto shifter, average altitude the beast is driven at,
highway fuel mileage, around town fuel mileage and any clarifying or interesting
info, e.g., gas mileage improved after 7500 mi., use K&N air filter, synthetic
lubricants, etc.. Use the same subject line and I'll compile the results.
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 12:21:31 -0800
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
Grant Wilkinson wrote:
> My 1995 is a gas pig. It averages about 12 miles per imperial gallon.
> That's about 10 miles to the US gallon!
Interesting !
My '96 got 14.5 MPG on the first tank and has been steadily working
upwards from there. With 4500 miles on the clock, I easily run at 15-16
MPG. I'm looking for that to rise another 1-2 MPG when the weather gets
warmer and it starts to break in a bit.
Of course, I don't live anywhere near what one may call a city. 75% of
my driving is Interstate highway or rural 2 lanes. But.....I travel "in
excess" of the posted limits most of the time - shhhhh !!
With the barn door aero's, every MPH faster is going to cut into your
milage, big time.
I was going to ask if you live at high elevation before I noticed the
"Ottawa" in your sig !
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PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA
Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
847-696-2828 FAX: 847-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 12:30:30 -0800
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: D90 moan
Robert Kolander wrote:
> When I started up in the morning (it was only a little reluctant,
> nothing to serious), as soon as it started, the engine gave a "moan"
> like sound, and the oil light stayed on for a while...
My 4.0L Disco doesn't "moan" when starting in the cold (my 'lets start
the Disco' record is -28F - so far...) but, the oil pressure indicator
DOES stay on for an extended period when its below 0F.
I don't know where the pressure sender is, but its probably more a
function of ITS location then anything else. I think it annoying but
probably not dangerous to the engine. After all, I would think that
SOMEONE in the powertrain design team gave thought to cold weather
starting, 'eh ? With a global perspective, -20 or -30F isn't really THAT
cold....
My '91 ALFA 164 complains bitterly from its power steering section when
the temperature goes below 10F ! Hasn't hurt it....
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PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA
Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
847-696-2828 FAX: 847-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:09:07 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Disco Fuel Consumption
>Grant Wilkinson writes:
>>> My 1995 is a gas pig. It averages about 12 miles per imperial gallon.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>info, e.g., gas mileage improved after 7500 mi., use K&N air filter, synthetic
>lubricants, etc.. Use the same subject line and I'll compile the results.
The mileage that I gave you is an improvement from what it was originally.
As for the weight of my foot <g>, I try to take it easy to get the best I
can out of this thing. The best that I have acheived is 15 miles to the
imperial gallon (about 12-13 per US gallon). That was all highway,
running at 100 kph (62mph), no wind, 1 passenger, no cargo. I have
installed a K&N air filter and platinum plugs. The dealer downloaded a
new EEPROM into it a few weeks ago, which brought the mileage up to the
terrible numbers that I have cited! I have a manual 5-speed transmission.
Grant
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:32:39 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: FI starting issues
At 09:39 AM 3/7/96 EST, Stefan R. Jacob wrote:
>(An excellent summary of cold start / jump start issues)
What the old j##p trick of using the starter while clutch engaged and in
low-first to work over obstacles (using starter motor to move truck) or stop
without braking (shutting down engine while everything engaged)? I briefly
tried this and flooded the engine. Anyone successfully use this technique
off road?
- Paul.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:19:44 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
>Grant Wilkinson wrote:
>> My 1995 is a gas pig. It averages about 12 miles per imperial gallon.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
>Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
>847-696-2828 FAX: 847-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
>---------------------------###-----------------------------
Keith
Converting to imperial gallons, you are getting much better than I am. I
got 15 to the imperial gallon on one tank, all highway, running at 100kph
or 60mph. I have put in platinum plugs, a K&N air filter, and the dealer
downloaded a new EEPROM. The mileage is still below what I have heard is
possible, and what the dealer "promised". It will be interesting hearing
others' experiences.
Grant
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:51:00 -0500
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject: re: Discovery fuel consumption
amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu writes...
I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous
comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption
rating. The mentioned it to be around 33 mpg. Is that right? Normally
they get 29 or 30 and on good days they get 33 or 34. And they say if you
drive it hard you should get somewhere in the low to mid 20's. What kind of
Discovery's do they have in the UK? When I bought my disco I was expecting
fuel consumption in the teens.
John Maravilla
'95 Discovery
-----------------
Two things to note with this mileage.
1) They are likely referring to diesal (predominant in the UK)
2) The UK and other countries using the old system use Imperial
units where as the U.S. uses US units. A US Gallon is smaller
than an Imperial Gallon by about 1 litre. Gee I always wanted
to put 3 different units in 1 sentence :-).
We canucks tend to have to know all 3 systems since most of us grew up
on Imperial units, were converted to metric (my fave), and we are
constantly bombarded through US media with US units.
Cheers,
-Christian
'72 SIII 88"
'95 Discovery
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Christian Szpilfogel
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chrisz@bnr.ca Work: (613) 763-5713 FAX: (613) 765-4855
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My Opinions are my own and you may borrow them, if you wish,
but I want them back when you're done.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:26:13 -0500
From: Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov (Martin Eglitis)
Subject: Disco Fuel Consumption
OK, here are my stats:
1994 Discovery, 26,000 mi. Gas consumption:
13-14 city (varying speeds, stop and go) During the blizzard, when the diff
was mostly locked and I had to do some driving in low range, the mileage
went down to about 11-12.
16-17 highway (average speed 70-80. On the highway I definately think she
prefers cruising above 65)
Most driving below 1000 ft (heck, below 500 ft, I live outside the
Washington, DC swamp)
Mileage noticably improved after about a 500 mi break-in. I have made no
mechanical mods, and change oil every 3-4000 mi.
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:30:44 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Web Page
Eric sez:
> Hello all!
After finally getting up to speed with how this information superhighway works
(took about as long as a Series LR getting to speed on the highway) I have
produced a web page! This page has some interesting Land Rover content!
URL as follows: http://www/cloud9.net/~ericz
> Please let me know what you think.....enjoy!
-
I think you got the URL wrong. Should be www.cloud9.net
Too many /
Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible.
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:45:27 -0800
Subject: Web Page Correction
Hello Again!
I messed up the URL, it is as follows:
http://www.cloud9.net/~ericz
Sorry about the mix up.
Regards,
Eric
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:45:25 -0500
From: Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov (Martin Eglitis)
Subject: Disco Fuel Consumption
OK, here are my stats:
1994 Discovery, automatic transmission, 26,000+ mi. Gas consumption:
13-14 city (varying speeds, stop and go) During the blizzard, when the diff
was mostly locked and I had to do some driving in low range, the mileage
went down to about 11-12.
16-17 highway (average speed 70-80. On the highway I definately think she
prefers cruising above 65)
Most driving below 1000 ft (heck, below 500 ft, I live outside the
Washington, DC swamp)
Mileage noticably improved after about a 500 mi break-in. I have made no
mechanical mods, and change oil every 3-4000 mi.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:02:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re: Discovery fuel consumption
On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, christian (c.j.) szpilfogel wrote:
> 1) They are likely referring to diesal (predominant in the UK)
Guarantee that this is the case...
> 2) The UK and other countries using the old system use Imperial
> units where as the U.S. uses US units. A US Gallon is smaller
> than an Imperial Gallon by about 1 litre. Gee I always wanted
> to put 3 different units in 1 sentence :-).
Granted I know zip about anything post 1979, but drawing upon
my expeirence with the older lumps, I'll betcha that the milage
figures are created on a highly unrealistic (yet standard industry)
test bed at an ambient temperature somewhere around 72f. My
1964 109 Station Wagon & 1987 Saab (TR-7 engine) get far worse
gas milage in the winter when it is -15c. It rises again in
the summer to some thing reasonable (the Saab) or not so
horrible (the 109) in the summer. I'll take Grant's milage
stats for the 109 any day... :-). (Actually, I'd be delighted
if it actually started in the depths of winter without a bonfire
underneath)
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Discovery fuel consumption
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:20:38 -0800
For the database, my 95 NAS Disco (3.9L-V8i) (16.9K-miles) has
demonstrated the following:
Off-Road 10 MPG
City 12 MPG
Hiway (65-75mph) 16 MPG
hiway w/2500# trailer at 65 mph 12 MPG
overall average since new 13 MPG
-- Bob W.
>----------
>From:
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>John Maravilla
>'95 Discovery
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Date: 07 Mar 96 15:51:32 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Registering an Import w/ your state...
Clarification time guys, (and apologies for any misunderstanding)
I don't recall the original thread that has led us down this path but,
up here in MA if you get rid of one car and pick up another all you need to
do is move your plates and get the paperwork to your insurance agent asap
to get the car covered (preinspection is only needed if you want
collision/comprehensive coverage). That assumes ownership of car-leased
cars always get fresh plates.
I was NOT suggesting anything like running two cars on one plate which was
everyone's' reaction. that is a serious no no.
on the brit plate stuff articles in LRo have shown cars running on brit
plates here, but these were visitors, not imports-no clue how they got
insurance sorted out. British Insurers hate the US insurance minefield and
the liability implications of anything over here.
Thanks
Chris B
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 20:02:07 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: NH Winter Safari
Anyone who wants to attend, you're more than welcome.
We are leaving KEENE NH at 10AM. Full day of off-roading (5 hours). Safe, non
damaging off-roading. We have 3-5 Series vehicles and 3 Coil Land Rovers
coming.
Essentials,
Full tank of gas, tow rope, shovel (snow shovel), tool kit.
Bring a lunch for a tailgate lunch. Bring extra warm, dry clothing will need
them.
If anyone needs directions to Keene, e-mail me.
Mark
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Date: 07 Mar 96 15:56:49 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: disco fuel mileage
1995 disco 3.9efi v8auto living in eastern mass. now with 13500 miles
altitude sea level to 6600 feet (one trip up Mt washington in NH)
mostly a few hundred feet above see level.
Attitude-take me off road interstates are boring
1 or two passenger (plus dogs)
worst mileage 12mpg US. during winter 5 mile trips
best mileage about 18/20 returning from Vt on interstates no traffic,
in good weather
only time I checked it while on an off road situation it was 16 mpg
for the tank about 10 miles off road 250 on interstates average
speed 70
average mileage 15/16 MPG US.
use 92 octance gas
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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:04:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
This only tells us that the faster you go the better mileage you
get. I would suggest that you try this hypothesis out by going 70
in town and off-road. Let us know if you get better mileage. (by
the way, it's off road not off-road, sheeesh, now *this* is
something to argue about :>)
On Mar 7, 12:20pm, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:
> Subject: RE: Discovery fuel consumption
> [ text/plain
> Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] :
For the database, my 95 NAS Disco (3.9L-V8i) (16.9K-miles) has
> demonstrated the following:
> Off-Road 10 MPG
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> >----------
> >From:
amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu[SMTP:amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu]
> >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 1996 6:06 AM
> >To: rro@playground.sun.com
> >Subject: Discovery fuel consumption
> >I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across
> hiway w/2500# trailer at 65 mph 12 MPG
numerous
> >comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel
consumption
> >rating. The mentioned it to be around 33 mpg. Is that right?
> >Normally
> >they get 29 or 30 and on good days they get 33 or 34. And they
say if
> >you
> >drive it hard you should get somewhere in the low to mid 20's.
What
> >kind of
> >Discovery's do they have in the UK? When I bought my disco I
was
> >expecting
> >fuel consumption in the teens.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> >'95 Discovery
> >-- End of excerpt from Robert Watson (CNA)
--
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838
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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:21:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...
On 7 Mar 96 at 10:02, Tom Rowe wrote:
> chris browne writes:
> Snip
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I don't hink it's a good idea to post to this list suggestions for
> doing illegal activities.
I interpreted the original to mean you were legally transferring the
registration from a car to the newly imported LR. Interesting how we
speak the same language and understand different things.
--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 21:25:53 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Winch Mount
Finally sorted out the discreet winch mount for the RR. I have managed to
locate a discreet mount from David Bowyer in the UK.
I will be fitting a X9 Superwinch on the discreet mount under the front of RR.
It will all be protected by an alloy steering protector from W&H Wheel
carriers. Should make the thing solid for some off-roading.
Now to find another set of Discovery Steel wheels to put on some aggressive
225/75s. Those that are interested, Arrows services sells take offs for $30
ea. I had a set on my SIII on they just slotted straight on. They fit all
RR/DISCOVERY's and D90. Great looking "simple" wheel and they are "LAND ROVER
WHEELS".
Now, where's that credit card.
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:28:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
They must be the Tdi deisel, Heck I get 10-12! I got lead foot and a
boatload of extra weight in the vehicle though!
Tomw
> I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous
> comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> John Maravilla
> '95 Discovery
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Fluent Networks
"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Discovery fuel consumption
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:28:43 -0800
>This only tells us that the faster you go the better mileage you
>get. I would suggest that you try this hypothesis out by going 70
>in town and off-road. Let us know if you get better mileage.
No thanks, I've already gotten a note from the local law enforcement
agency that this type of "testing" is frowned upon. (but honest officer,
it's for science!) But I've often wondered why the Discovery has "H"
speed rated tires (good for >100MPH). It must be so you can go 70 mph on
those dirt roads so as to get the better milage :-)
>(by the way, it's off road not off-road, sheeesh, now *this* is
>something to argue about :>)
Hey you wanna make something of it?! (just kidding!!! Put the fire hoses
down, please!)
_____
/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
| | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com
|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
| _|=3D |=3D |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ "off-road" or "off road"
It still gets dirty just the same.
>(by the way, it's off road not off-road, sheeesh, now *this* is
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:38:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Disco Power
The way I see it is its eqiuvalent to a Defender now ( excepting the
departure angle and attack angle )
The Diffs are up about an inch ( due to the tires ). the rest show up
in body clearance.
I bought the vehicle for its off roading abillity and use it for
that!
PS: someone said all rover owners are seriously disturbed!
Tomw
> Tom Walsh wrote:
> The tires are BF Goodrich Trac Edges, LT 235/85R16
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> People think I am crazy taking my stock (for now) disco off road-
> but you are seriously disturbed!!!!
> Chris Browne
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Fluent Networks
"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:48:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
But you are off-roading when you drive off road!
This only tells us that the faster you go the better mileage you
get. I would suggest that you try this hypothesis out by going 70
in town and off-road. Let us know if you get better mileage. (by
the way, it's off road not off-road, sheeesh, now *this* is
something to argue about :>)
On Mar 7, 12:20pm, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:
> Subject: RE: Discovery fuel consumption
> [ text/plain
> Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] :
For the database, my 95 NAS Disco (3.9L-V8i) (16.9K-miles) has
> demonstrated the following:
> Off-Road 10 MPG
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> hiway w/2500# trailer at 65 mph 12 MPG
> overall average since new 13 MPG
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Re[4]: Disco Power
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:59:41 -0800
>PS: someone said all rover owners are seriously disturbed!
Hey, I resemble that remark.
_____
/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
| | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com
|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
| _|=3D |=3D |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ N7UMU
>PS: someone said all rover owners are seriously disturbed!
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:05:42 +0000
Subject: Disco Fuel Consumption
1995 Disco, 24k miles, automatic
10-12 mpg, got 14 once I think.
Have:
Lead foot :)
ARB Winch bar and Winch ( heavy )
Tons of stuff in back ( #150-200 lbs ? )
Gas tank on back
High lift jack on back
Light grilles
Trac edge tires ( aggressive tread ) These are new
Lift kit
LOTS of light up front
Large amount of electrical load
( CB, cell phone, dual heated seat thingys, spare
portable battery charger/AC setup )
Small import car impale on bumber :) ( just kidding :)
Thule High Rook Racks occasionally
( I took the stock thingys out )
This is one Heavy moving brick wall!
Tomw, He aint heavy, He's My Disco
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"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:24:19 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...
> I interpreted the original to mean you were legally transferring the
> registration from a car to the newly imported LR. Interesting how we
> speak the same language and understand different things.
-
Because of a friend that just "borrowed" plates from another car (in
MA) and got his truck impounded. Sorry.
Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible.
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:44:05 -0500
Subject: Wading Plugs
I just bought a wading plug for the Range Rover. I don't do a lot of wading,
but last year I was in deep water a couple times launching the boat in spots
without a launch ramp. I have a couple questions. 1. Does the Range Rover
have just have the one wading plug that goes in the bottom of the
bellhousing? The parts guy at the Land Rover Center said that only one was
in the parts book, but I remember hearing people talk about more than one
wading plug. 2. How long should I leave the plug in? Is it OK to put it in
before I drive the 400 or so miles round trip to the mountains and take it
out when I get home? or should I put it in before I back in to the lake, and
take it out as soon as I get out of the water?
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:06:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Edwards <edwardsj@ohsu.EDU>
Subject: Disco mileage
10-12 mpg Around town, <10 miles per trip ( most 4 miles)
17 mpg Highway - 75+mph
19-20 mpg Highway - 60-70mph
The mileage does not seem to vary with 89 and 92 octane fuel - if
anything it seems better with 89 octane.
1995 Disco automatic, no mods, exterior add-ons
Your mileage may vary!
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Date: 07 Mar 96 18:13:52 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Registering an Import w/ your state...
---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes ---------------------------
From: Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET
Date: 3/7/96 5:40PM
Receipt Requested
Subject: Re[2]: Registering an Import w/ your state...
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============== Begin part 2 ==========================
Gerald writes
Interesting how we speak the same language and understand different
things.
--I should have known better being in brit in the states!
Chris Browne
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 23:29:36 UT
From: "Theodore S." <Theodore_S@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JE-4.5
Jeff,
The JE-4.5 gets it's displacement increase from a 3.15 inch stroke
(increased from 2.8 inches), but it uses a standard 3.7 inch bore for maximum
engine durability. A longer stroke tends to boost torque at lower speeds,
though if taken to extremes, it restricts high rpm operation. In the case of
the JE-4.5, the increase still keeps the engine undersquare (i.e. stroke
length is less than bore diameter) so low end and mid range power is greatly
enhanced while the original engine's 5500 rpm capacity is retained.
The JE-4.5 kit from Rovers North comes in short block form. The kit
comes with block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshaft, lifters, timing chain,
a full gasket set, distributor advance springs, and a recalibrated control
chip for the fuel injection system.
The basis of the JE-4.5 is a brand new 3.9 block with standard bores.
The is the newest type block, which is based on the new 4.0 SE setup. Among
many other improvements, the newer block is greatly reinforced compared to the
earlier unit. The 4.0 SE block differs in that it has been drilled for cross
bolted main bearings. The bosses for this, however, are in place on the JE
block and the company regularly drills and cross bolts them for racing
applications. The crankshaft is a custom-built forged unit exclusive to JE
and the source of the long stroke. The camshaft selected is the JE-101 grind,
which provides a very flexible rpm range with no lumpiness present at idle.
The JE-4.5 will bolt into any Land Rover V8 application, though power
output may vary with some applications or model years. The variances can be
accounted for by the differences in cylinder head design, exhaust systems, and
the fuel systems over the many years of production. Even though the
improvements are vast in the less potent applications, the 230hp/260lb.ft
numbers can only be reached by matching the later engine's level of
sophistication. Low end torque is much less affected, but the upper end and
mid-range horsepower can be much lower than the 1989 and later EFI
applications that use the best parts.
A major plus in late EFI applications is that the JE-4.5 builds to the
stock 3.9L maximum torque values at about 1500rpms, gradually rising past and
peaking at about 3750rpm. This gives you an extremely broad and flat torque
curve. Other applications exhibit similar characteristics, within their
mechanical limitations.
Installation of the short-block can be done by any mechanic worthy of the
name. Basically, the service manual procedures for installing a factory
short-block apply to the JE-4.5. There are some modifications needed to the
fuel injection systems on EFI vehicles. In every case, the control chip
(PROM-programmable-read-only-memory) in the Electronic Control Unit (ECU) will
need changing. In some cases, mostly '91 and later, the PROM is soldered in,
and a professional electronics person is recommended for this. In the case of
'87-88 3.5L Range Rovers which use the 13CUX system, the ECU must be
completely changed to the '89 and later 14CU or 14CUX and the new PROM
installed. Carbureted Land Rovers get new needles for their Zenith-Stromberg
or SU carburetors . All applications get new distributor advance springs to
alter the ignition timing curve.
The JE Motors 'Dakar' 4.5 Litre V8 comes fully assembled and is covered
by a 12 month unlimited mileage guarantee. Rovers North is selling the JE-4.5
shortblock for $6800.00.
Despite it's Flintstone aerodynamics, a D90 is capable of speeds in
excess of 100mph with the JE-4.5 stuffed under the hood. 'Nuff said
- Theodore Sawyer
----------
From: Jeff Gauvin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 1996 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: D90 moan
BTW - what's the deal with the Dakar 4.5L engine that I occasionally
read about? It it simply a stroker kit or is it a totally new engine?
What does it cost? Whats the hp/torque & mpg? Is it an actual LR
approved modification complete with warantee? Does it significantly
reduce the life expectancy of trannies, diffs, and axles? Sorry for all
the questions, but I need to get the facts so my dreams will be more
accurate :-)
--
Jeff Gauvin
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 23:41:27 UT
From: "Theodore S." <Theodore_S@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JE-4.5
Jeff,
The JE-4.5 gets it's displacement increase from a 3.15 inch stroke
(increased from 2.8 inches), but it uses a standard 3.7 inch bore for maximum
engine durability. A longer stroke tends to boost torque at lower speeds,
though if taken to extremes, it restricts high rpm operation. In the case of
the JE-4.5, the increase still keeps the engine undersquare (i.e. stroke
length is less than bore diameter) so low end and mid range power is greatly
enhanced while the original engine's 5500 rpm capacity is retained.
The JE-4.5 kit from Rovers North comes in short block form. The kit
comes with block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshaft, lifters, timing chain,
a full gasket set, distributor advance springs, and a recalibrated control
chip for the fuel injection system.
The basis of the JE-4.5 is a brand new 3.9 block with standard bores.
The is the newest type block, which is based on the new 4.0 SE setup. Among
many other improvements, the newer block is greatly reinforced compared to the
earlier unit. The 4.0 SE block differs in that it has been drilled for cross
bolted main bearings. The bosses for this, however, are in place on the JE
block and the company regularly drills and cross bolts them for racing
applications. The crankshaft is a custom-built forged unit exclusive to JE
and the source of the long stroke. The camshaft selected is the JE-101 grind,
which provides a very flexible rpm range with no lumpiness present at idle.
The JE-4.5 will bolt into any Land Rover V8 application, though power
output may vary with some applications or model years. The variances can be
accounted for by the differences in cylinder head design, exhaust systems, and
the fuel systems over the many years of production. Even though the
improvements are vast in the less potent applications, the 230hp/260lb.ft
numbers can only be reached by matching the later engine's level of
sophistication. Low end torque is much less affected, but the upper end and
mid-range horsepower can be much lower than the 1989 and later EFI
applications that use the best parts.
A major plus in late EFI applications is that the JE-4.5 builds to the
stock 3.9L maximum torque values at about 1500rpms, gradually rising past and
peaking at about 3750rpm. This gives you an extremely broad and flat torque
curve. Other applications exhibit similar characteristics, within their
mechanical limitations.
Installation of the short-block can be done by any mechanic worthy of the
name. Basically, the service manual procedures for installing a factory
short-block apply to the JE-4.5. There are some modifications needed to the
fuel injection systems on EFI vehicles. In every case, the control chip
(PROM-programmable-read-only-memory) in the Electronic Control Unit (ECU) will
need changing. In some cases, mostly '91 and later, the PROM is soldered in,
and a professional electronics person is recommended for this. In the case of
'87-88 3.5L Range Rovers which use the 13CUX system, the ECU must be
completely changed to the '89 and later 14CU or 14CUX and the new PROM
installed. Carbureted Land Rovers get new needles for their Zenith-Stromberg
or SU carburetors . All applications get new distributor advance springs to
alter the ignition timing curve.
The JE Motors 'Dakar' 4.5 Litre V8 comes fully assembled and is covered
by a 12 month unlimited mileage guarantee. Rovers North is selling the JE-4.5
shortblock for $6800.00.
Despite it's Flintstone aerodynamics, a D90 is capable of speeds in
excess of 100mph with the JE-4.5 stuffed under the hood. 'Nuff said
- Theodore Sawyer
----------
From: Jeff Gauvin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 1996 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: D90 moan
BTW - what's the deal with the Dakar 4.5L engine that I occasionally
read about? It it simply a stroker kit or is it a totally new engine?
What does it cost? Whats the hp/torque & mpg? Is it an actual LR
approved modification complete with warantee? Does it significantly
reduce the life expectancy of trannies, diffs, and axles? Sorry for all
the questions, but I need to get the facts so my dreams will be more
accurate :-)
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Jeff Gauvin
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:30:42 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Wading plugs?
Kevin Kelly says:
> I just bought a wading plug for the Range Rover. I don't do a lot of wading,
> but last year I was in deep water a couple times launching the boat in spots
> without a launch ramp. I have a couple questions.
What's a wading plug and what happens if you don't use it?
Shaun Carrigan
'88 Range Rover
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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Wading Plugs
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:44:00 EST
Hi Kevin
There is only one wading plug. There seems to be no golden rule with regard
to how long you leave it in.
In fact you could probably leave it in permanently if you do a lot of wading
and only take it out (to see if there is any fluid in there - and identify
what sort of fluid and therefore where your problem is) when you change your
oil. If you have a problem you would probably have other symptoms anyway.
Under normal operations there should be no fluid, but if a seal has gone or
in a manual maybe the clutch slave cylinder has a problem.
Simon
Sydney Oz.
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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Wading plugs?
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:48:00 EST
Hi Shaun
The wading plug is what sets later LR products apart from the rest. It
screws into a whole at the bottom of the bellhousing to stop the ingestion
of water (into the bellhousing) enabling you to change gears, even when in
deep water without stuffing up your clutch.
Simon
Sydney Oz.
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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:00:06 +0100
Subject: Re: Disco Fuel Consumption
On 6 Mar 96 at 14:05, Tom Walsh wrote:
. . . .
> ( CB, cell phone, dual heated seat thingys, spare
. . . .
What are the heated seat thingys?
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Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:16:02 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 moan
In a message dated 96-03-07 11:18:38 EST, you write:
>When I started up in the morning (it was only a little reluctant,
>nothing to serious), as soon as it started, the engine gave a "moan"
>like sound, and the oil light stayed on for a while (under a minute
>for sure). The moan disappeared in direct ratio to the amount of time
>the vehicle was running (obviously heating up, therefore no moan...)
Robert, mine does the exact same thing. When super cold, it'll moan on
start. To my ears it sounds like a powersteering pump or alternator, not the
engine. And my oil light does the same thing. It is better with synthetic
oil, but even at that , when we had our -25F stint, and I HAD to go
somewhere, the light was on for a scarily long time. As I said then: thank
god for warranties.
The synthetic diff oil really made a wonderful difference in moving the truck
at these temps too. I'm sold.
Of course, it is too cold to actually open the hood and start the car, then
go up front to try to discern the location. So I just let it go. You are
lucky to have a garage, I'm on the street 100% of the time. I guess it is
better than the alley I had to park in back in Los Angeles. Alley pickers
constantly roaming the alleys looking for junk aluminum cans to turn in for
scrap money. I thought for sure one morning all my fenders were gonna be
GONE! Ha Ha! ("george, this is one of those ALUMINUM cars...we could go to
hawaii on these fenders!")
JOhn., WiscoColderRover 90.
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:22:59 +0000
Subject: Re: ( heated ) Disco Fuel Consumption
Gerald
Okay so I am yuppie scum :)
My back bothers me sometimes and the Disco seats DONT help on long
trips, I stumbled accross these heated/massage seat pads at the
sharper image ( which means I paid to much for em probably )
but it helps back fatigue on longer trips, I would really like to put
Recarro's in, my last vehicle had them and boy were they comfy!
> On 6 Mar 96 at 14:05, Tom Walsh wrote:
> . . . .
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> Massachusetts, U.S.
> g@ix.netcom.com
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tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 13:43:43 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Fuel Consumption
At 02:09 PM 3/7/96 -0500, Grant Wilkinson wrote:
> What kind of fuel mileage are we getting here?
Carefully measured 12.9 - 13.2, High Altitude (6K -10K ft), 5-sp, mixed
mountain, city and limited highway. Fairly heavy foot. Stock air
filter/lubricants. 3.9L 94 Disco
- Paul.
paul.orland
94 RED Disco
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 13:55:07 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption
At 12:21 PM 3/7/96 -0800, Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote:
>My '96 got 14.5 MPG on the first tank and has been steadily working
>upwards
The '96's use a "4.0L" engine with a completely different fuel injection
system, different pistons and crank. They are claimed to get a little bit
better mileage.
The actual displacement, I believe, is identical between the "4.0L" and the
"3.9L".
- Paul.
paul.orland
94 Disco
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 23:08:40 +0000
From: John Cassidy IV <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: RR Oil Filters
I stopped in to the local Wal-Mart today to check out oil filters for my
'87 RR. The new Fram catalog was there and they did indeed have the
PH16 listed as applicable to the RR for that year. Price there was
$2.80. Here is the cross-reference list from the end of their catalog
which describes other filters which the PH16 can replace;
Fram PH-16, DH-16
AC PF13, PF20
MOTORCRAFT FL300
PUROLATOR L10017, L14670
LEI LF-16, LF-16HP, LF-2832, LF-2832HP, LF-17, LF-17HP
PENNZOIL PZ-13, PZ-34
STP S-0228, S-0253
Pleas note that I did not look up the application listing in the other
companies catalogs(they weren't available), and that this is the list
from the back of the Fram catalog. I am not sure how many of these can
be used in the RR.
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 23:21:33 +0000
From: John Cassidy IV <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: RR Oil Filters
I stopped in to the local Wal-Mart today to check out oil filters for my
'87 RR. The new Fram catalog was there and they did indeed have the
PH16 listed as applicable to the RR for that year. Price there was
$2.80. Here is the cross-reference list from the end of their catalog
which describes other filters which the PH16 can replace;
Fram PH-16, DH-16
AC PF13, PF20
MOTORCRAFT FL300
PUROLATOR L10017, L14670
LEI LF-16, LF-16HP, LF-2832, LF-2832HP, LF-17, LF-17HP
PENNZOIL PZ-13, PZ-34
STP S-0228, S-0253
Pleas note that I did not look up the application listing in the other
companies catalogs(they weren't available), and that this is the list
from the back of the Fram catalog. I am not sure how many of these can
be used in the RR.
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: RRO-digest = CSO-digest !
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:15:54 +1030 (CDT)
> Apparently there is not a sep. rro-digest.
Oh No its happening again, I seem to be the only one getting mail from
Bill C. concerning the lists. This is scarey look what happened when it
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below is an extract from a posting by Bill, reposted by John Purnell a few
days back and repeated by me, Come on guys read this stuff it saves heaps
of band width :-(
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:35:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "Paul O'Donnell" <paulod@mail.erols.com>
Subject: high oil consumption
I've experienced high oil consumption in both an '89 and '91 Range Rover.
They both ended up using a quart every 750-1250 miles. Both were cured by
the dealer installing new valve seals. Oil consumption improved to a quart
every 3000-5000 miles.
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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 06:46:48 +0100
Subject: Oil: 1)Diesal fuel; 2) lubrication
Is it possible to use the same fuel for lubrication in a Diesal?
If so has anyone every put a line from the fuel tank to the oil
sump?
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Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 7:39:23 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
Hi all,
Lots of chances to play in the snow this year! Here in MA. we broke the
all time snow fall record with this latest storm, (still in progress as I
write this). Driving the Defender has been great fun but...
The defroster in my 95 Defender stinks, (translation =
@##$$%^&**$##%$^!!!!)
Even with the heat, defrost, and blower FULL ON, my windshield still ices
up so badly that I have to stop and get out about every 15 to 20 minutes
to clean my windshield and wipers. I also make sure that the air intakes
on the top of the front wings are fully clean. I am not traveling fast
either this happens at 40MPH. I tried a set of winter wiper blades but
unfortunately that didn't help.
Questions;
1)- Do all of you other D90 owners out there have the same problem?
2)- If so, is it as bad as what I am experiencing?
3)- I have heard of a heated windshield that is available for the
Defenders. At this point I am seriously considering this option. Does
anyone have any information? Manufacturer, address, phone?
Thanks,
Barnett
(Havin' fun in the snow but half blind!)
Childress
95 D90
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 11:10:52 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Drive train upgrade
My 82 Rangie (obviously) has the old *clunk-thunk* drive train, has anyone any
ideas on the feasibility of replacing it with the silent Morese-chain drive?
Cheers
Matthew ZA
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 08:26:13 +0000
From: John Cassidy IV <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: RR Oil Filters
I stopped in to the local Wal-Mart today to check out oil filters for my
'87 RR. The new Fram catalog was there and they did indeed have the
PH16 listed as applicable to the RR for that year. Price there was
$2.80. Here is the cross-reference list from the end of their catalog
which describes other filters which the PH16 can replace;
Fram PH-16, DH-16
AC PF13, PF20
MOTORCRAFT FL300
PUROLATOR L10017, L14670
LEI LF-16, LF-16HP, LF-2832, LF-2832HP, LF-17, LF-17HP
PENNZOIL PZ-13, PZ-34
STP S-0228, S-0253
Pleas note that I did not look up the application listing in the other
companies catalogs(they weren't available), and that this is the list
from the back of the Fram catalog. I am not sure how many of these can
be used in the RR.
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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From: Yrjo.Makinen@picker.fi
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:29:26 +0300
Subject: Re: Drive train upgrade
You probably have the 4-speed manual (LT-95) where the transmission
and the transfer case are built as a single unit. So if you want to
upgrade, you need new transmission *and* transfer case.
You can use either the 5-speed manual or the ZF 4-speed automatic from
an "EFI-Rangie", that is, from'86 onwards.
I replaced the clunky & whiny LT-95 in my '79 Rangie with the
ZF-automatic and the LT-230 transfer case from a '87. The LT-230 still
uses gears, the Morse-chain driven Borg&Warner case was introduced in
'89 or '90. Despite using gears the LT-230 offers a *huge* improvement
in the whine-department.
If backlash (clunky-thunky) in the drive train is your main concern,
you should, IMHO, get the ZF. The acceleration-overrun transitions are
much smoother (and there are less of them) with an automatic
transmission.
If you are interested, I can provide more info on the swap.
Regards
Yrjo J. Makinen
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:55:46 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 moan
In a message dated 96-03-07 12:35:17 EST, you write:
>Don't know if it'll help anything, but I
>plan to start using synthetic oil ASAP.
Do it as soon as you can. It WILL help. (boy, with as much conviction as I
push this synthetic stuff you 'd think I own stock in it...) I am just so
sold on this stuff from my experience that I want everyone to give it a try.
I remember too many winters with the other stuff. The hard starting, the
trouble, the woes, the hardship, the solemness, the lonliness, the feelings
of dread, the feelings of ... OK, Ok, so buy the synthetic stuff already...
(man, was I talkin' Prozac or synthetic lubes?)
>BTW - what's the deal with the Dakar 4.5L engine that I occasionally
>read about? It it simply a stroker kit or is it a totally new engine?
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>the questions, but I need to get the facts so my dreams will be more
>accurate :-)
>From my readings, it is just that, a stroker kit. Who said: (Smokey Unick?)
"there is no substitute for cubic inches..."
Torque is the feedback from this engine...but we need to ask Barnett, since
he is the ONLY one of us who has actually driven a D90-Dakar equipped. So,
Barnett? Should we all max out our credit cards and order up a Dakar kit?
Barnett sent me pictures of his RoversNorth adventures and from the looks of
'em, I am in favor of four wheeling in the SUMMER! I don't mind using the
Rover to get me to work when noone else can get there, (read that: PAY RAISE)
But from the other pictures he sent me, SUMMER, SUMMER SUMMER please come
soon Mr. SUMMER...
see ya.
John.
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