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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:57:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Bull Bars
In a message dated 96-03-07 12:41:40 EST, you write:
>read about it in a US magazine) I don't understand how it would make any
>difference if I hit a pedestrian with my Range Rover's steel bumper and hood
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>or if I hit them with a brush bar.
>Kevin Kelly
I must agree. Can anyone from the UK summarize the governmental complaint
with bull bars. You know that it is only a matter of time before it makes
it across the "pond."
Do pedestrians prefer to bounce off the hood and over the roof or simply get
thrown forward?
JOhn. replete with pedestrian guard (called a deer protector here in this
part of the globe...)
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:57:45 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Disco 95/96 displacement
Regarding the comment and question about disco diplacements......
This is NAS::
1995 Disco: 3950 cc
1996 Disco/4.0SE: 3950 cc
As it was noted before......the 95/96 engines are totally different. Also,
there are some minor tuning differences (i think) between the 96 Disco and
the 4.0 SE....different hp/torque ratings...
Rover On!
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:21:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Alanh <alanh@dhp.com>
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:28:58 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Defrost
Barnett,
I've only experienced a fogging/icing problem once, and that was when
tempuratures were between the low 20's and mid 30's... at this range
(here in MN) I found my windscreen fogging up in seconds, and taking
a long time to finally create a hole in the fog big enough to see
through. (over 10 min!)
Otherwise, I haven't had a problem with icing/fogging under any other
conditions, (snow, -40 w/out windchill, freezing rain, sleet, rain,
high speeds, low speeds, you name it... And that's all in about 6
weeks time!)
Not much help, I know, but that's what I've experienced.
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From: "Paskalakis, George" <PASKALG@pcnet1.ascs.aro.allied.com>
Subject: Thanks for the responces to the "Leaky" Land Rover
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 10:31:00 PST
I just wanted to say thank you to every one who responded to my question
of oil
consumption. I talked to the dealer and they agree that there is a
problem, so
I will keep you posted.
Thanks again for the insite,
George
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:44:58 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: Florida Rally
All,
This may be a no no, but I posted this to the lro list and didn't know if
it would post to the RRO list.
O.K. guys and gals, the 1996 Suwannee River Valley Rover Rally is
tentatively set for April 19-21 in Lake City, Florida. Bring your parts
you'd like to swap or sell.
Lake City is located in North Florida at the intersection of I-75 and I-10.
It shouldn't be too difficult to find. The event will be really informal.
We plan to camp in the Osceola National Forest (lots of good trails). The
campground is maintained by the U.S. Forest Service and has water and a
restroom. There are also hotels and motels.
We will be providing a large cooker for anyone who wants to cook. There
will be no fees for anything. Bring what you need to make it through the
weekend. (I'm sure all of us rover guys shouldn't have any problem with
this, hmmm?)
Please E-mail me your snail mail address and I will send you a flyer. Hope
to see a big turnout. There are quite a few regulars in North Florida and
South Georgia that are very knowledgeable and all around great guys.
Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL
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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: RE: D90 Defrost (fwd)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 15:59:27 GMT
> Barnett,
> I've only experienced a fogging/icing problem once, and that was when
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> high speeds, low speeds, you name it... And that's all in about 6
> weeks time!)
> Not much help, I know, but that's what I've experienced.
hi, whilst the car was not a land rover i did have problems on both a vauxhall
astra (about escort size for our transatlantic cousins) and a vw golf. both
were caused by the same thing, near the air intake for the heater there was
a channel, which should have holes in to let out water from the windscreen, but
they had become blocked and water was getting into the heater, instanf fog.
i realise that this channel may not exist on the defenders (can't remember)
but it does exist on my disco so i check it.
danny p
p.s. want to know a stupid thing, last week i had a problem with a hose coming
loose on the engine, did it up and drove over 500 miles. this week at my
collage course, sometone asked me if i deliberately kept screwdrivers in the
rain channel. :-) i didn't even notice a rattle.
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:04:30 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Defrost
It's funny that you all discuss defrosters while I'm looking for the
airconditioning that's missing from my D90.
Greetings from Tucson!
--
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:17:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Wading plugs?
In a message dated 96-03-07 19:41:15 EST, you write:
>What's a wading plug and what happens if you don't use it?
>Shaun Carrigan
>'88 Range Rover
It is a small plug that fits in one's mouth whilst in a queue (a line), it
helps you to not complain. Without it, the counterperson gets mad and messes
up your order.
John.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:19:17 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
In a message dated 96-03-08 07:50:35 EST, you write:
>Questions;
>1)- Do all of you other D90 owners out there have the same problem?
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>Defenders. At this point I am seriously considering this option. Does
>anyone have any information? Manufacturer, address, phone?
Yup, I'll join THAT club. I even switched to snow blades but it didn't help.
With the right conditions, ice buildds up at the left side of the windshield
and needs to be scraped off. Also, the driver's wiper blade ices up on the
top end, right in the driver's field of vision! Great.
I think this happens because of the defroster vent placement...go look at
yours. If you notice that during all thsi icing up business, your passenger
can see fine, their wiper never ices up because the defrost vent blows
directly onto their blade. Where the driver's blade is only about half
covered with the defrost vent on that side. Thus the top of the driver's
blade ices up and gets NO heat to help melt the ice. I use a lot of
windshield alcohol and that helps to de-ice the blade and windshield a bit,
kinda like an aeroplane wing.
Rather than a heated windshield, I'd like a heated wiper blade...anyone
ever heard of THAT?
Being long on ideas, and concomittantly short on action, (as well as being a
penguineer...) I have solved this problem in my head, but as yet, not
implemented the solution. Notice the two wonderful snaps on either side of
the vent? THese can be used to great advantage in mounting a hot air
deflector which could reroute the hot air to directly under the full length
of the driver's blade. The snaps would hold this thing down fine. I just
don't know what to make the deflector out of, if only I owned a plastic
injection molding business, I could make 'em and sell them to youse guys. I
imagine the deflector as a hollow "S" or dog-leg tube.
Until then:,
I'm a scrapin' - - and that's OK
I work all night - - and I sleep all day
(sung to the tune of "I'm a lumberjack, and that's OK" by Monty Python and
the boyz.)
Johnny90
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:17:52 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-07 22:17:35 EST, you write:
>I would like to know if the rro list is combined with the lro list in the
>digest. Apparently there is not a sep. rro-digest. Myself and others have
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>interested can read or scan postings as they wish, and all LR Product Owners
>can benefit. Long live the Birmabrite Brotherhood!
I believe the RRO **DIGEST** is actually called CSO-digest, for coil
springeyed owners. the real time list is called RRO, but subscribe to CSO if
you want it in digest form.
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Defrost
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:26:00 EST
I have had a frustrating time with the defroster. In rainy weather with
temps. 40-50, it takes forever for the defroster to clear the fog. In
snow/ice, the defroster never seems to melt the ice in the center of the
windshield over the ash tray. This results in the ice sticking to the
driver's-side wiper, creating smears right at eye level. I have seen
replacement windshields for the D90 with fine electric heating elements
embedded in the glass. I assume this would fix all the problems, but they
are expensive (over $500 not installed).
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:21:14 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: octane
As I am a relative newcomer to this group, I may be asking about a subject
that has been beaten do death already, but I would appreciate hearing of
any experiences Discovery owners have had running regular unleaded in
them. So far, I have stuck to LR's instruction to use premium fuel, but
given its cost up here in the great white north and the terrible mileage I
am getting, I am looking for options.
Tks
Grant Wilkinson
Ottawa, Canada
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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:24:59 -0500
Subject: fuel and timing
Lots of discussion recently about fuel, lately. Anyone out there running on
89 octane in a disco/defender?
Lots of discussion recently about ignition timing. Looks like my 96 disco
has distributorless ignition. Am I out of luck? (or just lucky that I can't
screw anything up? :) )
Also, there is a digest form of rro, for those of you who are wondering:
you can send mail to "Majordomo@playground.Sun.COM" with the following
command
in the body of your email message:
subscribe cso-digest <yer email address>
Hal
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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:24:59 -0500
Subject: Car and Driver
Car and Driver for April came yesterday with a sport utility comparison. The
results:
1st place: Toyota 4runner
2: Nissan Pathfinder
3: Jeep Grand Cherokee
4: Ford Explorer V8
5: Acura SLX
6: Land Rover Discovery SD
7: Oldsmobile Bravada
Hal Hunnicutt
96 "Oldsmobile whippin" Discovery
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:32:41 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
Dear Barnett:
I believe that the "heated windscreen" that was standard on the '93 NAS
D110 would fit perfectly (Jim Pappas would know). You could also go for
heated mirrors! The cost is probably steep - perhaps equivalent to a 4
day Florida vacation, flying out of Logan - but 4 days after the start of
the vacation, you'd be back in the ice whereas with a heated windscreen,
you'd have a clear view forever!
Best wishes,
David
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:46:54 -0500
Subject: Water in Tail Lenses
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>
I was told by someone that it's normal that the tail lenses on my D90
have some water in them. The guy said that there is a drain hole in the
lense and that the dielectric grease used in the socket will protect the
socket from rusting. It seems odd to me that it would be OK for the
lenses to have water in them. The vehicle is not expected to go below 10
ft of water so a basic seal should work fine. I'm worried that rust will
develop under the tail light assemblies.
-AD
************************************************************************
Andrew A. Dallas
Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
30 Whittemore Road
Newton, MA 02158, USA
(617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:40:36 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: fuel and timing
I have had experience with all grades of fuel in my 94 disco. From 92
octane down to 87 octane and probably lower in Mexico. If the test of
sufficent octane is the lack of pinging, it all works. I have never felt
comfortable about totally disregarding the strong warning language in
the manual but I have moved to the midrange 89 octance as standard fare
without any problems.
--
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com
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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:58:28 -0500
Subject: Car and Driver
>Car and Driver for April came yesterday with a sport utility comparison.
The results:
>1st place: Toyota 4runner
>2: Nissan Pathfinder
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>6: Land Rover Discovery SD
>7: Oldsmobile Bravada
Yeah, I read that too. As usual, they were evaluating it as a street
car, not for its awsome capabilities as a 4X4 which, by the way, they
did give a passing, grudging ackowledgement to. But they discounted
that because it didn't seem much better to them on the easy dirt roads
they used for the "off-roading" part of their test. When I'm looking
for a sporty street car I'll listen to C&D. For off road, I know
better.
Alan Pollard
Colorado Springs
87 RR
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:27:19 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy IV)
I stopped in to the local Wal-Mart today to check out oil filters for my
'87 RR. The new Fram catalog was there and they did indeed have the
PH16 listed as applicable to the RR for that year. Price there was
$2.80. Here is the cross-reference list from the end of their catalog
which describes other filters which the PH16 can replace;
Fram PH-16, DH-16
AC PF13, PF20
MOTORCRAFT FL300
PUROLATOR L10017, L14670
LEI LF-16, LF-16HP, LF-2832, LF-2832HP, LF-17, LF-17HP
PENNZOIL PZ-13, PZ-34
STP S-0228, S-0253
Pleas note that I did not look up the application listing in the other
companies catalogs(they weren't available), and that this is the list
from the back of the Fram catalog. I am not sure how many of these can
be used in the RR.
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:57:28 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Disco 95/96 displacement
>.the 95/96 engines are totally different.
Marketing hype. The engines are essentially the same. Different Fuel
Injection, Crank/Pistons and retuned computer. Same block, valve train, cam,
accessories, bearings, etc.
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:57:24 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Pedestrains Bull Bars
At 09:57 AM 3/8/96 -0500, PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:
>Do pedestrians prefer to bounce off the hood and over the roof or simply get
>thrown forward?
I would certainly rather be hit by and roll/bounce off the plastic
grill/alluminum hood into the windshield/over the roof of a Disco rather
than whumped down by an all steel ARB bumper/grill guard (and then probably
run over). Not even close.
I just don't believe in govt. over-regulation!
- Paul.
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 10:30:55 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Disco Fuel
I have had experience with all grades of fuel in my 94 disco. From 92
octane down to 87 octane and probably lower in Mexico. If the test of
sufficent octane is the lack of pinging, it all works. I have never felt
comfortable about totally disregarding the strong warning language in
the manual but I have moved to the midrange 89 octance as standard fare
without any problems.
--
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 13:13:49 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: RE: D90 Defrost
Barnett,
I've never had any fogging/iceing probs either. I've made
many trips to VT with it and also keep it parked outside.
I have, however, had other probs with the heating sys so I
may have some possible suggestions:
1) Don't bother clearing off the grill on the drivers side
wing. It's just a heat exhaust for the engine bay. When
it's real cold out, it might be better to leave it
covered! The heating sys takes in fresh air from the psngr
side wing only. You don't want to be standing out in the
freezing cold messing with snow and ice any longer than you
have too :-)
2) Check to make sure that the air intake box under the
psngr side wing is draining properly. If it's not, water
will freeze in there and could restrict the air flow.
Water can also flood the heater assembly and blow fuses.
It's happened to me. To check the drain, reach under
the intake box near the rear of the box. You'll feel the
drain there. It's a rubber valve kind of like the purge
valve on the air cleaner. Pull it out and inspect it.
Put it back and make sure no hoses can wedge between it
and the wheel well. As you will see, the distance between
the end of the valve and the fender well is very small.
Poor design on LRs part.
3) Check the movement of the air directing vanes (or whatever
they're called) and see if the cables that control them are
adjusted OK. The one that directs air between the window and
below the dash is probably most important. If you remove the
little heater duct cover below the dash on the drivers side
(just 2 skrews) you can see the vane. Make sure it's fully
closing off the hole when you are directing all air to the
dash (lever up all the way). You can just do this by feel,
but, it's fun to see how it works. The cable can be adjusted
at the top of the heater unit from under the hood. Release
the cable from the control arm and move the arm to get an
idea of it's travel. Reattach the cable for the best travel.
Check the heat control vane next. The only way I know do
it, is to go through the adjustment game I described above
for the other vane (ie. release cable, check travel, etc).
I've adjusted both on my 90.
4) Check for air leaks in all duct work connections. I've only
checked the ones I can see or feel in my 90. I've never pulled
apart the dash enough to look inside. You're on your own
there.
Hope these suggestions
are of help,
Rob
94 D90
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Pedestrains Bull Bars
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:01:18 -0800
> I would certainly rather be hit by and roll/bounce off the plastic
>grill/alluminum hood into the windshield/over the roof of a Disco
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>probably
>run over). Not even close.
OTOH, With the additional ground clearance of an SUV (e.g the
Discovery), maybe you be safer getting run over (watch out for the diff
housings though :-) I suppose this would depend on your waistline.
>I just don't believe in govt. over-regulation!
>grill/alluminum hood into the windshield/over the roof of a Disco
Me neither. I prefer to look before crossing, myself.
> _____
> /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
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> | _|=3D |=3D |o_ }\
> [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ With the unsuspecting
> pedestrian catcher option
> /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
> | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 08:09:39 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Drive train upgrade
Yrjo.Makinen@picker.fi wrote:
> Despite using gears the LT-230 offers a *huge* improvement
> in the whine-department....
> If backlash (clunky-thunky) in the drive train is your main concern,
> you should, IMHO, get the ZF.
The drivetrain (LT230T with ZF automatic) in my Discovery still clunks
and whines, though. Some of that is prop shafts and diffs, of course.
--
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 13:14:55 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: 4.5L Dakar D90
Hi all,
I spent one weekend at RN winter driving school with the Dakar 4.5L
equipped D90. You really don't notice the difference until you get back in
your D90.
More low end torque, a VERY wide power band, and the sound OHHHHHH!
Think your mileage is bad now though? Ha!
I'll wait until my engine dies then maybe some day.....
Cheers,
Barnett
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 13:27:59 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re: D90 Defrost
Lee states; "It's funny how you all talk about defroster problems when I'm
looking for the AC!"
Ouch that hurts!
Barnett
Can't wait till spring
Childress
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 13:32:36 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
Dave and all,
Thanks for the reply's. I am definitely going to check this heated
windshield out! I will not go thru another winter like this. I have J##P's
passing me and it's very embarrassing!
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Water in Tail Lenses
Andrew,
Water in the rear lenses of 1995 Defender models with the round lights is
a real problem. Several people have already had sockets replaced including
myself. There is no fix as yet from LRNA. I suggest that you use
dielectric grease in the sockets and seal up the lenses with some RTV or
tie wrap some rubber around the sockets.
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:47:11 -0500
Subject: Disco Engine Size
>The actual displacement, I believe, is identical between the
>"4.0L" and the "3.9L".
The 3.9L is 3947cc and the 4.0L is 3950cc That's a big three cc more!
Kevin Kelly
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Defrost
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 13:56:00 EST
Barnett,
I saw the windshield in a Defender parts catalog I have from some company.
I'll get you the specifics Monday.
Rich
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marit_=26_Bj=F8rnung?= <bjjen13b@telepost.no>
Subject: Bull Bars
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:00:42 +-100
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I have read parts of the discussion on bull bars.
Here in Norway it must now be close to 10 years ago that an absolute ban =
on bull bars was enforced. At the time, rumors of fines from 200 to =
500=A3 was heard.
I am a bit surprised that so many people seem to disagree that vehicles =
with bull bars are potential more dangerous than vehicles without. Even =
at very moderate speeds you are much more likely to break an arm or a =
leg in more than one place instead of getting a "bump". More =
complicated fractures are claimed by doctors.
However, I would very much like to have one due to the practical =
aspects -like fitting aux. lights, securing loads like a canoe on the =
roof etc.
I have also been puzzled by the discussion in UK, where I understand =
that they now fear that EU regulations might ban Bull Bars. Even though =
Norway did not join the European Union, the closer economic cooperation =
between European countries ( including Norway), has lead to Norway =
adapting some regulations which again opens for the possible use of bull =
bars. This seems a bit odd compared with the situation in UK.
However, there is of course a catch. The combination of vehicle and bull =
bar must conform to several regulations/directives, and the vehicle must =
carry documentation to prove it's legality.
I believe the newer/softer type of bull bars from LR conforms to some of =
these regulations (new RR and possibly the Discovery). There are none =
available, as far as I know, for the classic RR.
For what it's worth here is the regulations and directives in Norwegian: =
"ECE regulering om utvendig utforming av kj=F8ret=F8y", "R=E5dsdirektiv =
74/483/E=D8F possibly (!) also 79/488/E=D8F, or ECE-reg nr. 26, serie 01 =
for bil gruppe M! og r=E5dsdirektiv 92/114/E=D8F for bil gruppe N.
Regards
Bjornung Jensen
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 11:02:25 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Car and Driver
At 11:24 AM 3/8/96 -0500, HalatGRM@aol.com wrote:
>Car and Driver for April came yesterday with a sport utility comparison. The
>results:
>5: Acura SLX
>6: Land Rover Discovery SD
Ouch! Beat by a trooper?
My guess is that the acceleration of the Disco weighed heavily against it ,
although I find my 5-sp advanced ignition disco to have quite snappy
acceleration, even at altitute. Bet they tested an auto...
- Paul. 94 Disco NAS V8i
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:09:33 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Wading Plugs
There's only one wading plug. Incidently, you may now have a spare. Look
in the tool rollup that accompanies the jack, in the cubby opposite the
spare tire. Mine contains a wading plug.
-Matt
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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 08 Mar 96 15:33:51 EST
Subject: Disco Engine Size
>> >The actual displacement, I believe, is identical between the
>"4.0L" and the "3.9L".
The 3.9L is 3947cc and the 4.0L is 3950cc That's a big three cc more! <<
I was told by a Land Rover mechanic that the difference was in name only. They
wanted to change the number for the new OBDII system, but other than that they
were identical. I don't know enough about the internals of these engines to
dispute him. He said they just rounded the displacement up.
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 16:21:19 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Range Rover Speedometers
Gerald,
thanks for the info. I still have my original speedo that I replaced a few years
ago. I stripped it down till the odometer was accesible but couldn't see
anything wrong. I haven't yet tried to disaassemble the odometer digits and
mechanism as you suggested. Do you have any idea what it is that gets jammed?
Would just lubricating it help or does it have to be disassembled?
The speedo in the car is working for the time being but it behaves erratically
for a brief moment every time the tens digit has to advance and longer on the
hundreds digit. I think its only a matter of time.
Regards
Mike
> Subject: Re: Range Rover Speedometers
> Author: gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk at inetmail
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 45 lines)]
> | My own opinions, not those of my employer! |
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 16:31:06 EST
Subject: Re: RR Oil Filters/Brake Pads
John,
one of the wires to the wear sensor plug on the front end of my RR
broke a few years back so the whole circuit is inoperative. All it
means is that you have to visually track the wear on the pads
yourself.
I have an early 87 NAS RR. The sensor is on the left rear inboard pad.
The pad that wears the fastest is the inboard pad on the right rear,
so I have to check mine anyway! Later 87 RRs had the sensor moved to
the right hand side.
I use the LR pads and replace the rear pads every year (about 20 - 25K
miles). I get nearly twice that out of the front pads. I've tried all
sorts of remedies but can't seem to eliminate rear wheel brake squeal.
When I get rid of it it always seems to come back after a week or two.
I tried the Bendix pads and they were worse.
Regards
Mike
> Subject: RR Oil Filters/Brake Pads
> Author: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy IV) at inetmail
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> problems with not using the wear sensors?
> Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 17:05:48 EST
Subject: Re: Range Rover Convertibles
A couple of years ago I was in the U.K. on business and stopped off at
Warwick 4X4. They had a very unique Range Rover in for refurbishment.
It belonged to H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth II. It is the only RR without a
VIN number. It was built in the seventies and only had around 20K
miles on it. It was open but had no facility for a cover except for
the driver, it was a bit like a pickup! It was only used in state
processions and was trailered to various parts of the country when
needed.
If it rained during use, there was a hidden compartment in the big
that contained a couple of umbrellas.
The refurbishment it was undergoing was new leather on the upholstery.
Mike Lenaghan
87 RRs (2)
> Subject: Range Rover Convertibles
> Author: KKelly6788@aol.com at inetmail
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> wanted $18,000!!
> Kevin Kelly
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 17:19:19 +0000
From: John Cassidy IV <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: RR Brake Pads/Oil Filters
First, wanted to apologize for the multiple posting yesterday/today
about the oil filters. I was getting an undeliverable message back from
the Major, but I think it was an individual address problem.
Mike Lenagham mailed me that the Bendix pads squeaked quite a bit
for him on his '87RR. I phoned another auto-parts store today and they
had pads by a company called ICE(? spelling) that are organic, as
opposed to the Bendix pads which are semi-metallic. I figured that this
would buy some more time before the rotors need replacing.
Once again, sorry for the multiple posts! I hope all here in the
Northeast US are enjoying their Rovers in the snow!
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:17 -0500
Subject: Disco Fuel Consumption
96 Disco
~2,200 miles on the clock
5 speed
no external goodies (yet)
switched to Mobil 1 engine oil at 1,000 miles
live in central NC, USA
I've gotten about 15 mpg around town
about 14 mpg on my first trail ride
two highway stints with just me and some luggage:
18 mpg at steady 72 mph (Burlington, NC to Greenville, SC)
19 mpg at steady 65 mph (Greenville back to Burlington) (honest, folks)
burning 92 octane
I drive light-footed (saving the lead for the Dinan Integra GSR >:) )
Would like to try a K&N, and looked at the Porsche one that some say fits,
but it looked like a poor seal against the upper part of the airbox. Any
suggestions?
Hope this helps. I'm keeping a detailed log of all my fuel consumption, but
I don't have the data in front of me right now.
Hal Hunnicutt
96 disco econobox
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 23:33:53 UT
From: "Theodore S." <Theodore_S@msn.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
Barnett,
I think you should invest in a "heated" front windscreen kit. The kit
includes heated windscreen glass, wiring harness, switch, and relays. The kit
is available at Rovers North for $850.00. If you have ever checked out a D110
up close and personal, you may, or may not have noticed the front windscreen.
If the windscreen of a D110 is examined closely, you will observe the small
heating filaments that run vertically across the front windscreen. The RR 4.0
SE and RR 'Classic' use the same heated front windscreen design. At any rate,
the design works very well.
You could also add a Radiator Muff which will increase your heater's
output, provide quicker warm-up, and reduce engine stress. Rovers North sells
one for $39.00.
Good Luck!
- Theodore Sawyer
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From: barnett childress
Sent: Friday, March 08, 1996 7:39 AM
Subject: D90 Poor Defroster or (I can't see a damn thing!)
Hi all,
Lots of chances to play in the snow this year! Here in MA. we broke the
all time snow fall record with this latest storm, (still in progress as I
write this). Driving the Defender has been great fun but...
The defroster in my 95 Defender stinks, (translation =
@##$$%^&**$##%$^!!!!)
Even with the heat, defrost, and blower FULL ON, my windshield still ices
up so badly that I have to stop and get out about every 15 to 20 minutes
to clean my windshield and wipers. I also make sure that the air intakes
on the top of the front wings are fully clean. I am not traveling fast
either this happens at 40MPH. I tried a set of winter wiper blades but
unfortunately that didn't help.
Questions;
1)- Do all of you other D90 owners out there have the same problem?
2)- If so, is it as bad as what I am experiencing?
3)- I have heard of a heated windshield that is available for the
Defenders. At this point I am seriously considering this option. Does
anyone have any information? Manufacturer, address, phone?
Thanks,
Barnett
(Havin' fun in the snow but half blind!)
Childress
95 D90
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:04:12 -0700
From: jeff@itouch.net (Jeff Kramer)
Subject: A few quick questions
I subscribed to the Land Rover Owners digest a while back (few months), but
couldn't find the information I was looking for, so here goes again...
1. What is the actual MPG (US) of a Discovery TDi?
2. Is it possible to upgrade the internal electrical system to power a
computer (PowerMac 8500) that draws 340 watts max continuous, 520 watts
peak (though I would assume this is with a monitor, and would be much less
without), a notebook computer, and recharge a pleathora of techno-toys?
3. Is it possible to mount a solar recharge unit on the roof, and have it
recharge the vehicles battery(s)?
I'm trying to put together a 'roving command post' (no pun intended), and
would like to base it on the Discovery TDi. The vehicle would probably end
up being on the road most of the year, on other continents most of the
time, and I figured a Rover would be the best vehicle for the job. In
effect it's a multimedia collection vehicle. Have a bunch of cameras, dump
the content into the computer, and beam it out via satellite. (Though the
smallest satellite system I've found sofar is only capable of 56kps, I'd
really like to be able to do video-confrencing in the field, also.)
Thanks much for your time. I hope that 6 months from now I'll be sitting
in a Discovery in the middle of the Ivory Coast, chatting with a 6'th
grader in Detroit...
57th Street Inc. & itouch.net Jeff Kramer
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 00:16:22 UT
From: "Theodore S." <Theodore_S@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JE-4.5
John,
If you are seriously interested in the JE-4.5 'Dakar' kit, you should
contact Mike Hopwood at Rovers North. Mike's '94 D90 is running the JE-4.5
just in case you were not already aware of the fact.
Rovers North
802 879-0032
http://www.roversnorth.com
- Theodore Sawyer
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 08, 1996 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: D90 moan
In a message dated 96-03-07 12:35:17 EST, you write:
>Don't know if it'll help anything, but I
>plan to start using synthetic oil ASAP.
Do it as soon as you can. It WILL help. (boy, with as much conviction as I
push this synthetic stuff you 'd think I own stock in it...) I am just so
sold on this stuff from my experience that I want everyone to give it a try.
I remember too many winters with the other stuff. The hard starting, the
trouble, the woes, the hardship, the solemness, the lonliness, the feelings
of dread, the feelings of ... OK, Ok, so buy the synthetic stuff already...
(man, was I talkin' Prozac or synthetic lubes?)
>BTW - what's the deal with the Dakar 4.5L engine that I occasionally
>read about? It it simply a stroker kit or is it a totally new engine?
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>the questions, but I need to get the facts so my dreams will be more
>accurate :-)
>From my readings, it is just that, a stroker kit. Who said: (Smokey Unick?)
"there is no substitute for cubic inches..."
Torque is the feedback from this engine...but we need to ask Barnett, since
he is the ONLY one of us who has actually driven a D90-Dakar equipped. So,
Barnett? Should we all max out our credit cards and order up a Dakar kit?
Barnett sent me pictures of his RoversNorth adventures and from the looks of
'em, I am in favor of four wheeling in the SUMMER! I don't mind using the
Rover to get me to work when noone else can get there, (read that: PAY RAISE)
But from the other pictures he sent me, SUMMER, SUMMER SUMMER please come
soon Mr. SUMMER...
see ya.
John.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:24:10 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Defroster in Tucson?
In a message dated 96-03-08 11:31:42 EST, you write:
>t's funny that you all discuss defrosters while I'm looking for the
>airconditioning that's missing from my D90.
>Greetings from Tucson!
Lee, you boys hiring down there?
John, BSME/UCLA, good with email, too.
94D90, with AC, madison wisconsin.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:25:36 -0500
Subject: Dealer loaners all the time?
Any of your dealers provide a rental or other temporary replacement car for
all warranty service? I need to get my Defender to the dealer for a bunch of
small problems (e.g., hood release, passenger seat, Fault code #48, Front end
vibration at 45-50mph, small coolant leak) and it's an hour ride there. Get
friend to follow me there, come home, reverse when done, take back again
because they mess something up... etc. It'd be great if they have a loaner I
can use, and am fishing for some "their dealer gives a loaner..." ammunition.
Maybe I have to call LRNA and plead special consideration being so far away
from dealer.
Any suggestions?
John, 94 D90, Madison, Wisconsin.
("yes sir, the 4.0 would be just fine, thanks.")
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:25:14 -0500
Subject: 94 D90 Pass. heater vent with AC
I lost the posts about someone cutting thru the AC ducts in order to provide
heat to the passenger footwell. Can anyone who has done it repost on what to
do here? Was that Jim Pappas? Thanks inadvance.
John, 94 D90.
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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Poor Defroster
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 17:32:59 MST
Theodore S. suggests:
: I think you should invest in a "heated" front windscreen kit.
: The kit includes heated windscreen glass, wiring harness, switch, and
: relays. The kit is available at Rovers North for $850.00. If you
: have ever checked out a D110 up close and personal, you may, or may
: not have noticed the front windscreen. If the windscreen of a D110 is
: examined closely, you will observe the small heating filaments that
: run vertically across the front windscreen. The RR 4.0 SE and RR
: 'Classic' use the same heated front windscreen design. At any rate,
: the design works very well.
Sounds neat, but here in Colorado windscreens are considered "expendable"
with a typical lifespan of three years (they use a lot of gravel when it
snows -- better than salt, I guess). At $850 a pop that gets expensive.
My insurance company would probably raise my rates after replacing one or
two of those, if they covered the non-standard windscreen at all!
Now, heated side and rear windows (hardtop) would be useful!
I've found that you can use the visors to deflect the upward blast of air
slightly, so it does a better job on the side windows (blower on high).
Your face gets kinda warm though... :-)
--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90 "Old Foggy"
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 17:32:37 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: Dealer loaners all the time?
John,
You need to bring your truck to Arizona. LR Scottsdale provides loaners even
if you are just in for an oil change. Since I have to drive 110 miles to get
them to change the oil I appreciate it!
Also, you never know what good an email literate engineer can do in the fast
growing SW.
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Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Dealer loaners all the time?
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:53:16 -0800
>Any of your dealers provide a rental or other temporary replacement car
>for
>all warranty service? I need to get my Defender to the dealer for a
>bunch of
small problems
The dealer in Bellevue, Wa (Land Rover Eastside) will if you complain
enough and they can't just take you to work, for example (with
sufficient prior notice). They use one of their demonstrators so it
potentially cramps the sales folks' style. For me, It's only 15 min from
where I work so they just drop me off AND pick me up (can't complain
there).
The lot-boys know the route to Microsoft quite well :-) (lots of LR's &
RR's here)
_____
/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
| | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com
|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
| _|=3D |=3D |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ Just one of the crowd
>Any of your dealers provide a rental or other temporary replacement car
=00
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:54:44 -0500
Subject: Range Rover State I
>A couple of years ago I was in the U.K. on business and stopped off at
>Warwick 4X4. They had a very unique Range Rover in for refurbishment.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>miles on it. It was open but had no facility for a cover except for
>the driver.
This sounds like Range Rover State I,(there is a photo of it on page 185 of
"Land Rover the Unbeatable 4x4, 4th addition" by K&J Slavin with GN Mackie
and D McDine) It was built in 1974 and is only used by Queen Elizabeth II
and Prince Philip.
I wonder if Princess Di is asking for any of the royal Land Rovers as part of
her divorce settlement? BTW her "boyfriend" (the guy who she was fooling
around with) was on TV a couple nights ago running from the press, he jumped
in to a Range Rover classic and drove away.
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 14:38:37 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: RR-servicing elec. seat controls
Just worked on the inoperative electric seat controls and learned something...
The switch has many ball bearings that pop out during reassembly. To ease
your reassembly pains, use heavy grease (or similar) on top of the springs
that the bearings sit on. Do the same on the slots the sliders sit on.
Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net
'89 NAS RR
It does go off road!!
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 06:32:57 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Range Rover Speedometers
In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote :
> I stripped it down till the odometer was accesible but couldn't see
> anything wrong. I haven't yet tried to disaassemble the odometer digits and
> mechanism as you suggested. Do you have any idea what it is that gets jammed?
> Would just lubricating it help or does it have to be disassembled?
Well, mine didn't look as if there was anything wrong with it either!. If you
have an old unit, you could practice on it. Difficult part is to prise out the
shaft holding all the plastic digits in place.
Gerald
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| Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk |
| My own opinions, not those of my employer! |
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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 17:27:42 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: RR- Servicing elec. seat controls
Just worked on the inoperative electric seat controls and learned something...
The switch has many ball bearings that pop out during reassembly. To ease
your reassembly pains, use heavy grease (or similar) on top of the springs
that the bearings sit on. Do the same on the slots the sliders sit on.
Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net
'89 NAS RR
It does go off road!!
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 08:15:09 EST
From: dmccor03@counsel.com (David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield )
Subject: Dealer Loaners all
To: rro@land-rover.team.net Inet
John,
I've taken my Disco into Berndt probably 4 times now for warranty
work and every time they have provided me with a loaner. I
bought the vehicle there, but I don't think that makes any
difference. I'd simply request that a loaner be provided at the
time you make the appointment foe service. Tell them the truth -
what an incovenience it is and how upset you are with having to
have these repairs made etc. They should want to make you happy!
Dave McCormack
'95 Discovery
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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 08:35:15 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: RR - Leaky rear hatch
Anyone ever had a leak arround the upper hatch release mechanism? Mine
leaks in heavy rain :( and I can't figure out where the water is
comming in .
Michael
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Michael & Krista Kirk => "michaelk@infi.net"
92 RR (No ABS/Airbag/Sway Bars)
Norfolk, Virginia
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 08:55:30 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Re: Dealer loaners all the time?
>Any of your dealers provide a rental or other temporary replacement car for
>all warranty service?
I think we are very lucky with our dealer and this situation. Ladd-Handford
(Lebonon, Pennsylvania) always give us a loaner PLUS they alway come and
pick the car up and deliver it (we are at least 70 miles away). I must say
that this was one big reason we bought from them.
I guess it all depends on the 'ship.
Kris
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