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Date: 12 Mar 96 10:48:13 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pedestrians bull bars

Well, instead of getting into theories and statistics, I'll just relate an
experience I actually had with the bull bar on my RR. This is a b-b of
the serious, wrap-around, massive type affixed firmly to the frame.

The driveway of my office's garage exits onto a very narrow downtown street
with a column and masonry all but blocking the view into the street and the
pavement.  You have to watch out for traffic, parked cars, pedestrians
crossing anywhere they like, or coming out from behind the building corner,
or even wandering in the middle of the street, you get the picture...  What
you have to do, and what I always do, is to inch your way forward until
you've got at least your bonnet well into the street, and then assume that
people and other cars finally realize you're there and let you make your
way out of the driveway and into the street - I mean, the front half of a
Rang Rover is not easily overlooked, right?  Well, I do it like this one
day, make a final turn of the head to check for any traffic coming from the
right, and the very moment I look back and accelerate this idiot pedestrian
literally jumps out from I-don't-know-where right in front of me.  He
instinctively grabs hold of the bull bar, pulls himself up and is carried
along for a few yards before I come to a stop and ask him if this was a new
way of hitching a ride, or what he was doing up there on my bonnet.  Other
than being a bit shaken the guy was completely unhurt.  Whithout the bull
bar, having nothing to hold on to, he probably would have been knocked over
and might've ended up with the profile of the mud terrains embossed on his
face...
Ok, this incident took place at a very low speed and may not be typical,
*but* in this particular case the bull bar at the very least prevented
serious injury or possible tragedy.

Stefan

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:39:25 GMT -0600
Subject: Northern Hydarulics

Northern has a web site and has a Magellan GPS for $249 on special.

http://www.northern-online.com/

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 12 Mar 96 12:36:19 EST
From: Tom Snurka <76550.2503@compuserve.com>
Subject: Electric Fan Disco

Tom Stevenson  gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk writes:

>>I fitted a twin-fan Kenlowe kit to my 90 TD a couple of weeks ago after the
viscous fan coupling finally self-destructed.
The engine certainly warms up more quickly than before, and the heater gets
hotter. Engine noise is also reduced, and it seems to rev more freely,
although I can't say I've detected an increase in performance. Fuel
consumption is improved though; I can normally go 300 miles between
fill-ups, whereas before I fitted the fans the interval was about 260. I
wish I'd done it sooner!<<

Sounds as if this is may be a good idea.  I'll take a 15 per cent fuel mileage
increase anytime.  Does Kenlowe build a setup for a NAS V8i Disco?  Has anyone
installed same?  What were the problems and the results?  Thanks, Tom
76550.2503@compuserve.com

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Date: 12 Mar 96 12:36:12 EST
From: Tom Snurka <76550.2503@compuserve.com>
Subject: Monitoring the 3.9L

I can stand it no longer, I need to slap a set of gauges into my '94 Disco.  In
particular, I would like to be able to monitor the lifeline of the motor, the
oil pressure and temperature.  A votlmeter wouldn't be a bad addition, either.
The gauge of choice would be VDO but, the problem is senders.  Is there any
information out there on senders and preferred location of gauge installation.
The designers didn't leave a lot of open space for mounting same.

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:42:28 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: plating for disco's etc.

I said:
I'm looking for underbody protection.

Tom <tomw@netcom.com> said:
+Brittish pacific is expecting a shipment of front steering and diff
+protectors in within a month as is rovers north. I called and faxed
+southdown 4x4 products in england last week to inquire about theres
+but they didn't answer the phone or respond to my fax? I am going to
+call safari gaurd today.

Hey, post to the list what you find out!  The diff guards and steering
protectors from performance are about $230 delivered to MA, for the pair.
Safari Guard had nice stuff, but seemed steeper in price.  What are RN and
BP asking?  I'd rather stay with a US supplier, if the premium isn't too
steep.    -Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:36:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>

unsubscribe rro

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:53:46 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Monitoring the 3.9L

Tom Snurka asks;
snip
> The gauge of choice would be VDO but, the problem is senders.  Is there any
> information out there on senders and preferred location of gauge installation.
snip
 
Call VDO in Winchester, VA and ask for a catalog. It has the 
available senders listed, along with all their guages.
Don't have a phone number, but the area code is 703.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 12 Mar 96 16:30:42 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Buying from England

     

Tim Harincar wrote"
buying stuff from England is kind of weird. .
Would they charge the card before shipping the order##that used to be 
legit in England a few years ago##, and how would they now the shipping 
cost until it was boxed? ##are you sure you know how much your being 
charged?
Does it then go UPS once it hits the east coast or parcel Snail?
BTW, this is all through LR Supermarket.

Apologies for the repeat of an old thread but.....
That explains it LR supermarket - said it before, and I'll do it again. the 
first order I get from them they tried to charge me more than the product 
cost (I was ordering a stowable trunk liner for my Disco) to ship it over.

Several attempts later we got a deal together (by this time I was beginning to 
have my doubts about LR supermarket) at much less shipping cost and 
it arrived via snailmail a few weeks later.

To cap it all they shipped me the wrong part, a RR trunk liner not a 
disco trunk liner. Ended up buying the real thing from ABP and I still 
have the RR version sitting unused in my garage.

So LR supermarket doesn't win any accolades from me or future orders.
Regards
Chris Browne

     

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 23:06:56 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Electric Fan Disco

Tom, 

I intend on getting a Kenlowe for my NAS 3.9 RR. They fit, cost approx. $200 
from the UK. 

Mark

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From:  Tom Snurka
Sent:  Tuesday, March 12, 1996 12:36 PM
Subject:  Electric Fan Disco

Tom Stevenson  gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk writes:

>>I fitted a twin-fan Kenlowe kit to my 90 TD a couple of weeks ago after the
viscous fan coupling finally self-destructed.
The engine certainly warms up more quickly than before, and the heater gets
hotter. Engine noise is also reduced, and it seems to rev more freely,
although I can't say I've detected an increase in performance. Fuel
consumption is improved though; I can normally go 300 miles between
fill-ups, whereas before I fitted the fans the interval was about 260. I
wish I'd done it sooner!<<

Sounds as if this is may be a good idea.  I'll take a 15 per cent fuel mileage
increase anytime.  Does Kenlowe build a setup for a NAS V8i Disco?  Has anyone
installed same?  What were the problems and the results?  Thanks, Tom
76550.2503@compuserve.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 22:58:45 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

What even more ridiculous is the tyres !!! have you seen the shine on them !!! 
and after it has been chased by animals, the thing is ALWAYS CLEAN !!!! Get 
real. 

Mark  

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From:  WILLIAM ADAMS
Sent:  Tuesday, March 12, 1996 2:34 PM
Subject:  Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

	What these advertising execs will do to sell cars on television.
	The latest gimmick is to have their car on safari in Africa (Lion 
Country Safari, Busch Gardens, FL ?), chased by a rhinosceros, filled with 
little monkeys, etc. Meanwhile some bloke with an effected British accent 
does voice-over about what wonders one encounters in the wild while driving 
the new Nissan Pathfinder.
	What garbage. I'm sure they had NO INTENTION of playing off the success 
of LR products, a truck that is immediatly associated with safari. I would 
guess any Brit worth his bangers and beans would not choose such an inferior 
vehicle when picking fights with rhinos. 
	Why is it they never show cars stuck in traffic or cruising for parking 
spaces at the mall like in real life?

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:41:11 -0500
Subject: Noisy Lifters

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Andrewd: Re: Lifters. I'd have all the parts on hand just in case. I've h=
eard that cams and lifters wear together . You definately want to replace=
 the timing chain and crank oil seal if you replace the camshaft. I almos=
t did this job back in August, when at  east one lifter began an unholy r=
acket. A bit of background: When I bought the truck I removed the rocker =
covers to replace the gaskets.  What a mess - it looked like a uncleaned =
BBQ grille in there; which is not unusual if the PO didnt change the oil =
often enough. As a side story several RRs I looked at recently with 80K +=
 miles looked the same through the oil cap.. I promptly removed the rocke=
r covers and shafts and cleaned this crap off as best I could. I may have=
 loosened some crud, which found its way into the oilways, but it took ov=
er a year to get there.  Moral: Change the oil&filter early and often on =
these babies. Anyway I changed the oil, used high detergent additives (Di=
solves sludge! Quiets Noisy Lifters!) etc. two times. Finally the crud di=
d disolve and the noise went way. And its still gone 7K miles and two oil=
 changes later. I think the real reason was the fact that the noise wante=
d to hang around just long enough for the parts to fix it to arrive (cam,=
 lifters, full gaskets, etc.). Ive got them safely tucked away for the da=
y of reckoning, just in case. Good luck. Andy Blackley

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:43:26 -0500
Subject: Chain drive transfer case

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Matt in ZA: To change an '82 RR to the later chain drive transfer case wi=
ll require that your entire LT95 gearbox and transfer case be removed, si=
nce they are one solid unit, and then replaced with the later model gearb=
ox and transfer case. Hmm. Big buck job, that. If youre really serious ab=
out Id recommend that you get the parts catalog for both your current mod=
el and the later model to see what new bits will be required. I shudder t=
o think. If you can find a late model wreck it would certainly make thing=
s easier. You mention the clunk-thunk. I found that my '83 RR also clunke=
d horribly (after 110K miles)> I replaced the ball joint on the A-arm on =
the rear diff. and also the rubber doughnuts on the rear radius arms. Thi=
s kept the rear axle from shunting arounnd so much and greatly quieted th=
ings down. I also sort-of double declutch like with my old Series IIA non=
 syncho. I say sort of because I really just pause briefly before engagin=
g the change up or down. This also helps smooth out the power tranfer in =
the driveline. Apparently this was always present to some extent. In the =
Brooklands reprints the contemporary road tests also commented on the clu=
nk-thunk. Good luck and cheers. Andy Blackley.

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 21:48:25 UT
From: "Theodore S." <Theodore_S@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Kenlowe Electric Fans

You are only able to go ~ 300 miles between fill ups in your D90 Td? And 
before fitting the Kenlowe electric fan your range was ~ 260 miles?  What size 
is your fuel tank?

- Theodore Sawyer

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From:  T.Stevenson
Sent:  Tuesday, March 12, 1996 5:39 AM
Subject:  Kenlowe Electric Fans

>  of a difference in front of the radiator.  What would probably make a
>  big diff in warm up time would be an electric fan setup such as
>  the Kenlow. Has anyone out there gone to one of these setups ? It's
>  supposed to save on gas too. 

I fitted a twin-fan Kenlowe kit to my 90 TD a couple of weeks ago after the
viscous fan coupling finally self-destructed.
The engine certainly warms up more quickly than before, and the heater gets
hotter. Engine noise is also reduced, and it seems to rev more freely,
although I can't say I've detected an increase in performance. Fuel
consumption is improved though; I can normally go 300 miles between
fill-ups, whereas before I fitted the fans the interval was about 260. I
wish I'd done it sooner!
-------------------------------------
Tom Stevenson  gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland

Tel 01475 530581
Fax 01475 530601
-------------------------------------

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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:10:57 -0500
Subject: New to RRO List!

Hello All!

I have just recently purchased my first Land-Rover, A 1993 Range Rover County
LWB; Roman Bronze, the only accessories are brush guards for the head & tail
lamps & running boards, I am the second owner & it has just over 20k on the
clock.

  What I would like to know is? Are there any special querks or annomilies
about this vehicle I should know about. IE; how to touch-up nicks & scratches
on the aluminum skin, is there a conversion kit to update to the serpentine
belt, like 95 versions.

  I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!

  Thanks! in advance.   David

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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:22:29 -0500
Subject:   New to RRO List!

Hello All!

I have just recently purchased my first Land-Rover, A 1993 Range Rover County
LWB; Roman Bronze, the only accessories are brush guards for the head & tail
lamps & running boards, I am the second owner & it has just over 20k on the
clock.

  What I would like to know is? Are there any special querks or annomilies
about this vehicle I should know about. IE; how to touch-up nicks & scratches
on the aluminum skin, is there a conversion kit to update to the serpentine
belt, like 95 versions.

  I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!

  Thanks! in advance.   David

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:35:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco Oil Changes

In a message dated 96-03-12 01:11:52 EST, rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
writes:

> 1. Drain old oil
>        2. Replace plug and refill
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>So why does the manual suggest the more complicated method?  Is it worth
>following?  Does anyone believe that the dealers follow this method?

I've talked to numerous LR mechanics and they all say "do it like the manual
says or risk having to re-prime the pump.  Having to tear it down, repack the
gears with grease to get it reprimed once... is too many times.  The best
guesstimate I could find is you have a one in ten chance of losing the prime
if you remove oil plug and filter at the same time.  How lucky do you feel?

Gene

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:40:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco Spoiler mods and Qs.

In a message dated 96-03-12 01:11:54 EST, tomw@netcom.com (Tom Walsh) writes:

> have bee recently researching the armor options.
>Brittish pacific is expecting a shipment of front steering and diff 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>but they didn't answer the phone or respond to my fax? I am going to 
>call safari gaurd today.

I purchased the Southdown engine and axle guards for my D-90 from Surrey Off
Road and am very happy with the quality of the product and the fit.  I
understand Southdown makes them for the military.  Surrey Off Road also make
a trick side bar that is great protection and doesn't give up any ground
clearance.

Gene

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:56:00 -0700 (MST)
From: Dan McDonough <mcdan@Rt66.com>
Subject: D-90 Hood release trick.

Was changing oil today and learned a trick that you can use
if you haven't had the Hood release fixed yet. I had a case
of oil sitting on the hood and it released real nice and
easy. So you might try weight on the hood. YMMV.

Daniel McDonough
mcdan@rt66.com

95 D-90
95 D-90 SW

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:17:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Electric Fan Disco - Defender

In a message dated 96-03-12 19:36:02 EST, you write:
>Tom, 
>I intend on getting a Kenlowe for my NAS 3.9 RR. They fit, cost approx. $200

>from the UK. 
>Mark

I assume Kenlowe is simply a manufacturer of electric fans?  There are many,
Scott Fans for exemple,  in the states that are able to cool large
displacement V8s.  You get local warranty and parts replacement if there is a
problem.  I outfitted my AMC AMX 390 cid with electric fans, I used 2 small
ones with a single thermostatic control, from Scott in Calfornia.  I don't
think I paid $200, though, I think it was more like $120 or $100.  

By the way, have any of you Defender/Air cond owners ever seen your electric
fan actually go on?  I have been on the LA freeways, after work at 95F at
6pm, AC on full, and the darn thing never came on.  It didn't need to as the
regular cooling system did fine, always at the halfway mark on my guage.

John, Madison, WI D90 1994

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:41:00 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: 90 TD Fuel tank

>You are only able to go ~ 300 miles between fill ups in your D90 Td? And 
>before fitting the Kenlowe electric fan your range was ~ 260 miles?  What size 
>is your fuel tank?

I think its capacity is about 55 litres.
As I understand, the US 90 has a fuel tank mounted at the back between the
chassis rails. This may well be bigger than the side tank in a standard vehicle.
-------------------------------------
Tom Stevenson  gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland

Tel 01475 530581
Fax 01475 530601
-------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:23:26 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Steering Guards and Oil changes

I just talked to Chris at RN.  The 'steering guard' they sell is from
Safety Devices, and is what the Camel Trophy trucks are fitted with.  He
tells me it is authentic and very thick aluminum.  Price?  A mere US$850.
(When he said, "eight fifty," I caught my breath and asked, "Dollars?!??")
Diff guards go fo US$150.

The consensus on oil changes is that you have to be sure not to have BOTH
the drain plug and the oil filter off at the same time.  It doesn't seem to
matter when the oil is added, so long as it is before you start the truck.
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 09:48:42 EST
From: dmccor03@counsel.com (David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield )
Subject: Tire rotation

 To:	RRO List, 		Inet 	

Does anybody rotate their Michelins?  If so, when?  Do you rotate
in the spare on the theory that you might as well wear out all
five so if you buy a different make or size later, you won't be
left with a mismatching spare?

Dave McCormack
'95 Discovery

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