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Date: 14 Mar 96 09:54:53 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: RR Aux tank
has anyone tried the side rear mounted aux tank available for Range
Rovers?
89RR John B
Ages ago there was an LRO article about these tanks-as soon as I
discovered that they fit into the space between the inner and outer
rear fender/wing I stopped looking-LR has a flexible pipe in this
space to allow movement in the event of a side collision. no movement
could lead to a chevy sidesaddle type of leak and fire-hey it amazes
me that LR still allows new series fuel tanks to be shipped here after
that lawsuit.
Chris B and Baron
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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:56:40 -0800
Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A FLAME IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF REGRET
Dixon Kenner says:
> hehehehehe.... :-)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Hugo Madden says:
>>Yes, TeriAnn'd probably have recommended a 25lb hammer.
I'm rapidly slipping into legend as the oger used to scare Range Rovers &
Discoverys around the campfire at night.
I'm learning that the grains of truth in legends can be mighty small.
I would probably be among the first to put myself between the hammer and the
Range Rover.
My biggest sin was not wanting to read about keyless locks and similar
postings then going on campain to move those postings to the existing Range
Rover list. I'm guilty of doing that & doing it poorly building a lot of
animosity that I never intended. It was a dumb thing for me to do. Hindsite
is much clearer than forsight
All I ask is for people not to get nasty if we meet at a LR meet or off
road.
THIS IS NOT A FLAME PLEASE DO NOT USE IT TO START ANOTHER FLAME WAR
TeriAnn
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:57:05 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Wading plug on Disco
If anyone out there in sprung coil land has installed the wading plug on
their disco, please drop me a line with details. In particular, my truck
is a '95 NAS, if that matters. (The info I just got from my dealer doesn't
make much sense to me.) I'd be interested in (a) if the plug was in the
tool kit or screwed into a holder on the bell housing, and (b) position on
the bell housing it is fitted for wading. Many thanks.
-Bob
rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
+1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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Subject: Re: D90 Aux tank install
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:00:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
Mike Fredette describes D90 aux fuel tank installation:
> Now, the tank mounts to the outside of the frame, under the passenger
> seat. I can just see your brows knitting and you're thinking,"But
> wait, my ECU and jack and tools are mounted under there."
...as is my ARB compressor.
Either:
1) I need to take another look under my D90, or
2) I misunderstood what you're trying to describe, or
3) You left out an important step in the installation instructions:
"Remove floor and rear (and inside?) panel of storage area."
I don't know about yours, but my underseat storage area is a fully
enclosed box too small to mount a 12 gallon tank. And besides, with a
floor already there, why would you need to mount it via outriggers?
Please elaborate!
I supppose you've researched this pretty thoroughly, but is that really
the only place to mount it? Won't the extra weight make the vehicle
list a bit to that side? Plus, I'd worry about it in case of side
impact, but I guess I wouldn't have to mount the optional igniter...
--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90
********************************************************************************
Jeff,
When I said, "in any event, you lose the storage under the passenger seat. Don't cry though,
Series folk have been living this way since day one.", I guess that was a little
unclear. What I mean by lose is, you drill out the rivets and spot welds and
remove the entire storage box. This is where ALL the SWB Series truck owners have
their tanks. You're right, 12 gals won't fit into that little box, it's about
24 in longx12 in wide x 16in in height. As to weight, well 12.5 gals @ 6lb/gal =75lbs. Add
5 for the tank itself and 2-3 for each outrigger and maybe 2-3 more for the pump and all
the lines and hdwr, total is 90lbs or so. Not enough to sneeze at. Look at it this way,
does your truck change appreciably front to rear when the main tank is empty or full? Nope,
the truck weighs 3560lbs but can carry almost 3/4 ton to 6001 lbs gvw. A puny 90 lbs of
gas is chump change. As to crash worthiness, don't look at me! I just work here! Seriously,
the Series truck have always had this setup, and I've never heard of any trouble in accidents.
Most normal cars don't survive a crash encounter with a Land Rover, but the Rover usually just
drives away, maybe a bent panel or two. Hope this clarifies.
Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or.
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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:12:59 -0800
Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
Dangit TeriAnn,
I am really ticked off now. We all moved off of the other list so
that we wouldn't have to bother you with key fob, A/C, leather, etc
issues (remember the stink about having to read those obnoxious
postings). Now we find you lurking, surreptiously I might add, and
listening in. We can't even talk behind your back. It isn't fair!!!
Now please stay on your side of the fence and leave us in peace.
Thanks,
:>)
On Mar 14, 6:56am, TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
> THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A FLAME IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF REGRET
>
> Dixon Kenner says:
> THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A FLAME IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF REGRET
> > hehehehehe.... :-)
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Hugo Madden says:
>
> >>Yes, TeriAnn'd probably have recommended a 25lb hammer.
> I'm rapidly slipping into legend as the oger used to scare Range
Rovers &
> Discoverys around the campfire at night.
> I'm learning that the grains of truth in legends can be mighty
> I'm rapidly slipping into legend as the oger used to scare Range
small.
> I'm learning that the grains of truth in legends can be mighty
> I would probably be among the first to put myself between the
hammer and the
> Range Rover.
> My biggest sin was not wanting to read about keyless locks and
similar
> postings then going on campain to move those postings to the
existing Range
> Rover list. I'm guilty of doing that & doing it poorly building
a lot of
> animosity that I never intended. It was a dumb thing for me to
do. Hindsite
> is much clearer than forsight
> All I ask is for people not to get nasty if we meet at a LR meet
> My biggest sin was not wanting to read about keyless locks and
or off
> road.
>
> THIS IS NOT A FLAME PLEASE DO NOT USE IT TO START ANOTHER FLAME
WAR
> TeriAnn
> My biggest sin was not wanting to read about keyless locks and
>
>-- End of excerpt from TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
--
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:18:04 -0500
Subject: Range Rover Aux Tanks
>Has anyone tried the side rear mounted aux tank available for Range Rovers?
>I forget who makes it but Atlantic British was selling them. When I called
to
>ask about them they said there was no skid plate, so I didn't pursue it
further.
Someone was selling a used Range Rover aux. tank in the Aluminum Workhorse a
year or so ago. I called him for info, the tank was from Atlantic British
and it fit between the stock tank and the right side of the vehicle. He said
the tank was not very good for off road because it stuck down lower than the
stock tank and it did not have a skid plate
Kevin Kelly
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:18:10 -0500
Subject: Series Owner Posts
>>>I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
>>>Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!
>>Can you imagine what the LRO list would've done with THIS one!!
>Yes, TeriAnn'd probably have recommended a 25lb hammer.
I kind of miss TeriAnn's posts, remember last winter when I posted about
water getting in to the back of the Range Rover and she told me to drill
holes in the floor so it would drain out.
Kevin Kelly
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Subject: Re: Series Owner Posts
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 09:17:13 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>
>I kind of miss TeriAnn's posts, remember last winter when I posted about
>water getting in to the back of the Range Rover and she told me to drill
>holes in the floor so it would drain out.
>Kevin Kelly
I'm sure that all you have to do is post an RR related item on the lro
list and nostalgia will just come flooding back!
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil change SIMPLIFY?
In a message dated 96-03-13 23:36:56 EST, you write:
>Am I missing something or are we enamored that our vehicles must be
different
>because it is a LR. (I believe it was a GM engine to start with).
Apparently so, when GM built it the engine wouldn't lose its prime, but as
soon as Land Rover bought it, it could lose the prime.
I never change the oil in the Rover, never have, never will , so I don't have
this problem, I suggest this method to all of you to cure what ails you.
Now, let's get back to important Rover discussions, anyone know how to
rebuild an aluminum 3.9?
John. 94 D90
("what IS that sound? clank clank clank...")
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:26:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Steering Guards and cellular phone fraud (is this the right list?)
In a message dated 96-03-14 00:22:21 EST, you write:
> Still, I
>thought I'd warn everyone with cell phones to get fraud protection right
>away, especially if you're in the LA area.
here in midwest, now they have a PIN number with every line, you need to dial
your security code after sending the phone number, if your phone isn't set up
to do this, you need to dial it in manually to call. Otherwise, you hit send
twice, the second time after a short delay. Just one more nuisance step.
Am surprised cell fraud is so big in midwest, rather than moreso in East and
West.
John.
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:34:53 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: New to RRO list!!
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 DavidP30@aol.com wrote:
> >> I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
> >>Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Please...................... Let Me in on the Joke!!!!!!!
> David.
> 93RR LWB The Best 4x4xFar
just subscribe to Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.team. net---youll meet some
wonderful folks like terri ann!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:08:04 -0800
From: peterson@newton.apple.com (Bob Peterson)
Subject: Re: Dealer loaners all the time?
>Any of your dealers provide a rental or other temporary replacement car for
>all warranty service?
Last week, I took Algernon into San Jose Land Rover for the 15K mile servicing.
As part of the $270 package price on this "LRNA Scheduled Service" I got a
"free" loaner car. Actually it wasn't a car at all. It was a Fire Engine
RED '96 4WD Suburban from Enterprise. Fortunately, this last-ditch effort
by GM to sway my affections failed.
The Suburban Lows: no acceleration, extreme size, no agility in traffic,
sideways jealous glances from folks with gun racks in their trucks
The Suburban Highs: TWELVE (count-em!) cupholders, 3 padded sunglass
holders, three folding tables, a cool digital compass built into rear-view
mirror and gangster rear windows (you can see out; can't nobody see in)
Overall: No contest, Algernon was ready and collected as promised.
Bob Peterson
1995 5-speed Disco, "Algernon"
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Bob Peterson
New Media & Entertainment Group
Apple Computer, Inc.
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:41:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
BRAVO this is without a doubt the FUNNIEST group on the whole internet!!!!
(by the way i'm going to spend the month of june in the UK, if any RANGE
ROVER owners need any goodies sorry no series veh. need reply! > Dangit
TeriAnn, >
> I am really ticked off now. We all moved off of the other list so
> that we wouldn't have to bother you with key fob, A/C, leather, etc
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 63 lines)]
> >-- End of excerpt from TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
> --
> Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:13:29 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: RR Aux tank
On 14 Mar 1996 Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com wrote:
> Ages ago there was an LRO article about these tanks-as soon as I
> discovered that they fit into the space between the inner and outer
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> me that LR still allows new series fuel tanks to be shipped here after
> that lawsuit.
That was one of my concerns too -- it's an awfully vulnerable location!
Perhaps someone makes one that replaces the stock tenk in the stock location?
Cheers
John Brabyn
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Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 09:30:38 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>
>I am really ticked off now. We all moved off of the other list so
>that we wouldn't have to bother you with key fob, A/C, leather, etc
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Now please stay on your side of the fence and leave us in peace.
>Thanks,
FYI, Clayton, TeriAnn is not a subscriber to rro (check for yourself by
sending "who rro" to the Majordomo). It must be that Dixon Kenner
stirring things up again!!:-)
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:24:24 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Jimmy Patrick address
Does anyone know the email address of Jimmy Patrick, the new editor of
the Aluminum Workhorse?
I thought I did but my message got to someone else!!
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 02:46:46 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
Am having problems right now with false readings on the temp gauge,
overheating, but on checking the temp with a baking/roasting thermostat
readings are way below boiling/overheating.
Am further confused which sensor is which. Do you have the part numbers for
the 3 sensors you mentioned?
Thanks.
Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net
'89 NAS RR
It does go off road!!
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Mike Lenaghan wrote :
>(snip)
>John Brabyn is correct on the electric fan setup for the Range Rover except
that
>The sensor that triggers the electric fans to come on is screwed into the
>thermostat housing. Perhaps this housing and sensor would be a direct fit for
>Incidentally the RR has 3 seperate sensors related to coolant temp.
>1. To send signal to the ECU
>2. For the temp gauge.
>3. For the electric fans.
>Regards
>Mike Lenaghan
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:53:25 +0000
Subject: Re: New to RRO list!! (fwd)
Warning! Talk to make us all happy follows :)
> I'm rapidly slipping into legend as the oger used to scare Range Rovers &
> Discoverys around the campfire at night.
In defense of TeriAnn, I have sat around a campfire with other Disco
owners with her, She did not try to scare or hit our Disco's with
hammers! She actually is a very good mechanic and probably could fix
all our squeeky steering wheels and failing sunroofs if she wanted (
unlike a bunch of us I suspect :)
So lets move forwards ( out to the trails and byways our Rovers were
meant for and have fun :)
Tomw
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"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
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tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:16:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
I was told we don't need one as the tranny already has some kind of
open slot to deal with it.
Tomw, let me know if this is not the case
> If anyone out there in sprung coil land has installed the wading plug on
> their disco, please drop me a line with details. In particular, my truck
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> rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
> +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:35:03 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Re: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
The temperature sending unit on my '88 RR failed (needle began climbing
into meltdown range). I ordered a new one, and now the old one's working
again. Typical Lucas, I guess.
Question: I wasn't aware of a temperature sending unit that interfaced
with the ECU. Or is that OIL temp rather than water?
Shaun Carrigan
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 17:56:40 EST
From: dmccor03@counsel.com (David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield )
Subject: steering and dif gua
To: RRO List, Inet
Safari Gard makes a front bumper ($650 w/o brush guard, $950 with)
to which attaches a front skid plate ($300) which protects the
steering linkage and knuckle and prevent snow and mud from flowing
directly into the engine compartment. They tell me that they have
differential guards on sale for $150 a pair (they are normally $95
each). They also make a rear bumper ($1150) and a rear skid
plate, ($350). (909) 698-6114.
Dave McCormack
'95 Discovery
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:59:21 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but the hole for the wading plug
should already be there and the plug should be in your tool kit that came
with the vehicle.
Cheers
John Brabyn
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Tom Walsh wrote:
> I was told we don't need one as the tranny already has some kind of
> open slot to deal with it.
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:06:07 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Shaun Carrigan wrote:
> The temperature sending unit on my '88 RR failed (needle began climbing
> into meltdown range). I ordered a new one, and now the old one's working
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Question: I wasn't aware of a temperature sending unit that interfaced
> with the ECU. Or is that OIL temp rather than water?
Actually the good old RR is riddled with temperature sensors. The sender
you mention that drives the gauge seems prone to fail -- mine did a few
years ago and I had half the engine apart before I figured out that it
wasn't overheating after all and it was the sender. It was intermittent,
so if I was you I'd replace the sender (a $50 part in the US!!!).
There are also other sensors for temperature -- the coolant temp
sensor/thermistor for the ECU to sense how hot the engine is, the fuel
temp sensor, also for the ECU, and the transmission oil temp sensor.
These days, if any gauges give funny readings or red lights come on, I
generally assume it's the sensor that's failed.
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:12:26 +0000
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
What toolkit? All I got was the pocket with the roof racks and jack
stuff ( not counting the tin full of stuff, which I ate, maybe I ate
it? )
Tomw
> Perhaps I'm missing something here, but the hole for the wading plug
> should already be there and the plug should be in your tool kit that came
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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:08:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil Gauges and the 3.9L Disco
In a message dated 96-03-14 00:22:20 EST, 76550.2503@compuserve.com (Tom
Snurka) writes:
>First of all it sounds as if the oil temp should best be taken through the
>drain
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>this
>application? My initial impression is that 0-300F is appropriate but am
open
>to
>suggestions.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>and what resistance is built into the existing system for the idiot light?
>Second, is 0-80psi a proper range for this application?
I have been told that the thread pattern is Whitworth on the plug and it is
large enough to drill and tap for a send unit..........however, I'm a little
concerned about the send unit tapped into the plug getting hit and knocked
off out in the field ( a mechanic at a shop I visit confirmed this as it
happened to him ONCE). If you look at the current plug it sits pretty close
to the oil pan body and any protrusion could be a risk. Just a thought. I
would like to figure this one out myself so any hints or experiences are
welcome.
Gene
PAVED ROADS: a fine example of needless government spending.
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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:08:42 -0500
Subject: No Joke!!
Howdy Folks!
Thanks to all who explaned the joke for me! although I can understand the
differences between the series owners and the rangy types, as most RROs in my
area are of the country club set. My personal beginings in Land Rovers came
from my cousin, who owns 3 series types, an 88, a110 pick-up and a customized
110 wagon, which is pretty cool, its got a ford 302 under the bonnet backed
up by a muncie four speed, the list also includes recaro seats front and rear
with a roof console stereo, safari top and custom wheels, its also quite
unusual to hear the growl of dual pipes coming from a land rover, BTW it was
a frame up restoration.
The reason I mention his truck is, that it should not matter if you've got
an old series type or a "plushmobile", what matters is that its a LAND
ROVER!!!!!!!
The best part is that RRs and LRs are still unique! why be a clone and
drive a Jeep, Jimmy or an Explorer, when you can be part of an elite and
drive a Legend!!!!
So! my question still holds; How can I purchase a remote clicker for my
93RR
David
93RR
BTW my cousin just picked up his NEW 95 Disco :)
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From: depuybk@epix.net
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 22:12:18 PST
>>Bill Adams
>>3Dmentia computer animation
>>4016 Spruell Drive
>>Kensington, MD 20895
>>301-949-9475
>>'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there
Bill did not provide an email address so if he has one I would appreciate
details on above to depuybk@epix.net.
I bought a 92 RR SEL last August and have enjoyed every minute since.
Having some problems with the sound system but a GREAT HI-WAY Hi-Fi shop
here in Ithaca and sorting that out. I owned two S2A 109" wagons while
overseas and would like to find one for here. The above has possibilities.
Brad DePuy
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E-mail: depuybk@epix.net
Date: 3/14/96
Time: 10:12:18 PM
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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:49:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
On 13 Mar 96 at 13:16, Tom Walsh wrote:
> I was told we don't need one as the tranny already has some kind of
> open slot to deal with it.
. . . .
What happens if this slot gets plugged with mud? Is there a plug for
this slot?
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Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Wading plug on Disco
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:43:45 -0800
>What happens if this slot gets plugged with mud? Is there a plug for
>this slot?
Find a clean river and go through it a few times. :-)
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\_/ \_/ N7UMU
>What happens if this slot gets plugged with mud? Is there a plug for
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: No Joke!!
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:52:04 -0800
> The reason I mention his truck is, that it should not matter if you've
>got
>an old series type or a "plushmobile", what matters is that its a LAND
>ROVER!!!!!!!
That's pretty much the prevailing attitude among the list members, even
the LRO list, I'd venture, so welcome aboard. IMHO, the most appropriate
split might have been what someone suggested during one of the recent
flare-ups:
Series Issues List
Coily Issues List
Overall LR Enthusiast Issues List
I personally miss some of the "heritage" that was passed around on the
"series" list but is not as prevalent on the Coily list (since we're all
young upstarts in the vehicular sense, I guess) Though I deleted many
"my [windshield, top, doors, floor pans, engine, swivel balls, transfer
case, brake cylinder, etc] leaks" messages since my LR hasn't advanced
to that stage of fluid retention (or lack-of) but it was interesting to
know where to keep an eye out in the years to come. OTOH, I imagine,
many Series owners tired of the Coily owners complaining about thier
A/C, CD, ABS, ECU, MPG, Power: Seats, windows, mirrors, steering, and
brakes, etc. as well.
Oh well. That's the price of progress, I suppose.
> The best part is that RRs and LRs are still unique! why be a clone
>and
>drive a Jeep, Jimmy or an Explorer, when you can be part of an elite
>and
>drive a Legend!!!!
I firmly agree. I get a kick watching "Jeepers" watch the Disco ;-) It's
such a "sleeper" when it comes to off-road abilities.
I suppose the up-side to all this is that, judging by the increasing
list population, there's quite a groundswell of Rover Owners so there'll
be more used ones for the series owners to upgrade to in a couple of
years. :-) OTOH, I'm seeing more and more Coily LR's so I don't feel
quite as "unique". It's still about 100 Cherokees to each LR I see so
there's quite a ways to go.
> So! my question still holds; How can I purchase a remote clicker for
>my
>93RR
>and
Has the obvious been tried? I.e. calling a LR dealer?
> BTW my cousin just picked up his NEW 95 Disco :)
>my
Good for him!
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| _|= |= |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ N7UMU
> BTW my cousin just picked up his NEW 95 Disco :)
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:15:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: No Joke!!
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996 DavidP30@aol.com wrote:
> The reason I mention his truck is, that it should not matter if you've got
> an old series type or a "plushmobile", what matters is that its a LAND
> ROVER!!!!!!!
On this list, I ain't touching this... :-)
> So! my question still holds; How can I purchase a remote clicker for my
> 93RR
This is remote key entry and not remote start I presume. On the
later, dealer experience up here is not to even think of this.
The prblems it causes in the winter are horrid.
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:23:29 +0000
Subject: I told you not to make me do it ( douh!!! )
OK!
Now you've gone and done it! Your requests for pictures and my
laziness ( buisiness?? ) forced me to go out and buy a digital
camera :) I'd like each and every one of you to know this is your
fault! ( thats what I'm gonna tell the wife anyways :)
So after some playing with it, and when I get the free time and a
good photo spot pictures of the Green Monster should start
checksuming themselves in the cameras flash memory :)
This should be good for our mendo recce outings also!
Tomw, digitally yours!
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Fluent Networks
"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:05:40 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: LRO/RRO
C'mon now......take it easy y'all.....we're all family...never forget that!
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:07:57 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: Oil change SIMPLIFY?
>In a message dated 96-03-13 23:36:56 EST, you write:
>I never change the oil in the Rover, never have, never will , so I don't have
>this problem, I suggest this method to all of you to cure what ails you.
Now now, John...(and everyone else)....what the hell do you need to change
the oil in your Rover for? All you have to do is add more (errr...the
manual says "renew") when it leaks out....hell you get totally new engine
oil every few thousand miles!! Now, that's ingenuity! *laugh*
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:19:16 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Tom W's Tin full o' stuff
Talking about Tom's Solihull-Genuine Tin Full o' goodies.........come to
think of it...if I remember correctly, the fruitcake-thingie that was
included was the worst thing that I have tasted in recent years!!!
Hmmmmm......perhaps they should replace the cake with, let's say.......a
set of lamp guards?? *smile*
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: CT Disco Tires
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:47:47 -0800
I was watching the 1993 CT tape with some Jeep-types (feeling a bit like
a missionary in the wilds of Africa) and as we were watching the Discos
flailing about in one of the many mud-bogs (a.k.a. Malaysian roads), one
of them asked why they didn't use "boggers" (Big paddle-type mud tires
for the uninitiated) or something more aggressive than the XCL's since
they seem to spend most of their time in the mud. Granted there was
always at least 80 people close by to push you you through the mud and I
admit the Disco would look rather odd with 15" wide tires sticking out
from the fenderwells, but the XCL's didn't seem to do much good in the
mud they were showing on the video so, what's the story?
One suggestion (guess) was the tires were chosen more for thier 10-ply
rating and durability than the mud-tread. Especially when a fully loaded
CT Disco has got to weigh more than 3 tons.
Inquiring minds want to know.
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From: Steve Willey-pc <steve.willey-pc@attws.com>
Subject: brake squishiness/ABS brake repairs?
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:03:54 -0800
Recently I have noted an uncomfortable squishiness in the brake pedal
of my '90 NAS RR. The squish has moved from "hmmm, does that feel
different? Nah." to "That definitely feels different." over the course of a
month.
There is also seapage from inside the LF wheel. Initially I assumed it was
oil from the swivel joint (I've been through a few swivel joint seals), but
now I
fear it may be hydraulic fluid from the brake system.
The owners manual states that any problems/concerns of the ABS break
system should be referred to the Shop, and owner maintenance/repair of any
ABS component is ill advised. How much of this is hype and how much is
reality? Are there special concerns for replacing hydraulic lines on ABS
systems?
Are there special bleeding procedures? Show I just throw up my hands ready
my check book and turn it over to the dealer shop?
I have ordered the Workshop Manual, but it will not get here until next
week.
I'd like to think that I'm one of those people that does there own
maintenance,
but I'd also like to think that I'm intelligent enough to not get myself
into lots
of trouble.
Any advise welcome.
Cheers,
Steve
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:35:26 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: coolant sensors/sightings/etc
John L., John B. and Shaun :
Thanks for the response on the '89 coolant sensor thing. Now to get the
part from the US........
Sightings :
Black Disco in a Panasonic-cellular-phone-connected-to-a-Panasonic-laptop ad
seen on HK (HongKong) Star Network. Looked like Africa or Oz outback.
Etc:
Its heartwarming to know the CSO list can get to be as lively as the LRO
list. Don't feel so much of an outcast anymore. Have I found home?
Now let's see if the Major can get rid all the bounced mail messages every
time I make a submission. I get 7 messages for every submission. Or is
this some kind of a ritual to get on _this_ list?
A nice weekend to all........
Oscar
'89 NAS RR
it does go off-road!!!
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:35:04 +0100
From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Re: Oil Gauges and the 3.9L Disco
It is too big risk to put it in the drain plug.
Have a look in your sparepart manual, on the oilpump housing there might bee
a position for original fitting. At least this is on the 110" with V8.
On my there is holes for oil presure switch, oil presure transmitter to
gauge and oil temperature.
Best regards
Bent Boehlers
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:09:52 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Electric Fan
>Does it come fully kitted out or are there further bits and pieces to buy
as the
>project progresses?
The Kenlowe kit for the 90 TD contained just about everything needed to fit
it; fans, mounting rails, brackets, wire etc.
The only extra bits I had to find myself were a fuseholder, a few metres of
spiral cable wrap to tidy everything up, and a pair of crimping pliers for
all the connectors.
The viscous fan is easily removed by unscrewing it from the water pump
pulley; remember that it has a left-handed thread. I also cut out a piece of
the top section from the now redundant rad cowling and fixed it back into
place to act as a finger saver, since the fans could start at any time.
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Tom Stevenson gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel 01475 530581
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:51:15 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Oil change SIMPLIFY?
PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 96-03-13 23:36:56 EST, you write:
> >Am I missing something or are we enamored that our vehicles must be
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> rebuild an aluminum 3.9?
> John. 94 D90
> ("what IS that sound? clank clank clank...")
maybe selective ignorance is bliss .... ?
Michael
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:38:46 +0100
From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
who rro
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 09:04:46 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Wynn's AC unit in D90 (long)
Hi all,
As I promissed, I studied the diagram in the back of the
installation manual for the Wynn's AC unit. I also cracked
out my D90 service manual and an excellant book that I have
on automotive air conditioning. Using the 3 of these, I
put together the following summary of the system:
The Wynn's kit is a basic thermostatic switch type system
with a few simple additions that I'll discuss later.
This type of system was used by many eary factory auto
installations and is the primary type used in aftermarket
systems. The biggest differance between it and earlier
systems is the use of R-134a refrigerant as opposed to R-12.
R-134a systems require higher system pressures, better
quality parts, and greater airflow at the condenser than
systems using R-12. R-134a however, does not harm the ozone
layer.
Here's a diagram of the basic system. Except for a few
other switches, (shown in the wiring diagram following)
this is exactly what's in the D90. For those not familiar
with how an AC system works, I'll try and describe it here.
Refigerant flow --->
+---------------+
| Condenser |
+---------------+
|| || Receiver-drier
|| +-----+
|| | |
|| +-----+
_||_ ||
Compressor / \ || Expansion
/ \ +--+ valve High side
========== | | ===== | | ===========================
\ / +--+ Low side
\____/ ||
|| ||
+---------------+
| Evaporator |
+-------------|-+
|
+-+ Thermal switch with
| | cappilary sensing
+-+ tube
The system has a high side and a low side. The high side
is the side of the system where high pressure exists. That
is, from the outlet (discharge) side of the compressor, through
the condenser, through the receiver-drier, and to the expansion
valve. The compressor creates higher pressure and higher temp
so the refrigerant will be able to condense from a gas back into
a liquid and release heat at the condenser. A pressure differntial
is created at the expansion valve leading into the low side where
low temp and pres exist. From the expansion valve, through the
evaporator, to the inlet side (suction) of the compresser, the
refrigerant is in a low pres state. The refrigerant evaporates
drawing the energy needed to do so via heat transfer from the
air passing over the evaporator. The whole thing is controled by
a thermal switch which has a cappilary tube mesuring the temp of
the evaporator. The switch closes when the temp rises above a
set level and causes the compressor to run. When the temp drops
down again, the switch opens and shuts off the compressor. It's
that simple. Pretty neat, huh?
The following diagram shows how the system is wired.
I left some stuff out to keep it simple, but all the key
parts that matter are shown.
Ground from ECU +-------+
+---------------------------| |
+----> +12 | | ECU |
| | Signal to ECU | |
| | +----------------| |
| Compressor | | +-------+
| relay | |
....|....... | +-+ Thermal switch. Sensativity
. | {}------------+ |3| controled by knob on dash.
. \ {} . +-+
. \ {}------------+ |
....|....... | |
_|_ | +-+ Pressure switch
/ \ | |2| located on top of
| | | +-+ Receiver-drier.
\___/ Compressor | |
| | |
| | +-+ Thermostat switch
| | |1| located on theromostat
+----> Gnd. | +-+ housing.
| | |
| +----------+-------< Power when AC fan switch
| ........... | and ignition are on.
+--.Condensor.---+
.fan relay.
...........
As you can see, when the AC fan switch is on, it sends
power to the compressor and condenser fan relays. Notice that
the compressor relay also requires a ground from the ECU before
it will trigger. The condenser fan relay is grounded normaly,
so the fan will run while the swicth is on. A signal is also
sent to the ECU but, only when switches 1, 2, and 3 are all
closed. Switches 1 and 2 are normaly closed unless there is a
problem (engine overheat or low system pressure). Switch 3, the
thermal switch, closes when the temperature of the evaporator
rises above a certain level established by the AC temp control
knob on the dash. The ECU then desides whether or not to ground
the other side of the compressor relay, which will cause the
compressor to run.
It should be noted that I'm no AC expert, and some of the above
is guessing on my part based on all the information gathered.
There is no "theory of operation" section provided in the AC
install manual. Only the wiring diagram. If anyone can confirm,
dispute, or correct, any of what I have written here, please do.
Hope the info is useful,
Rob
94 D90
P.S. - Here's where Wynn's can be reached if anyone
wants to know more:
Wynn's Climate Systems Inc.
1900 S.E. Loop 820
Ft. Worth, Texas 76140
1-800-347-3883
The AC book I used is "Automotive Air Conditioning,
Basic Service Training Manual". It's from:
Mastercool U.S.A Inc.
385 Franklin Ave.
Rockaway, NJ 07866
(201) 625-8383
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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Land Rover Jamboree
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 01:02:23 +1030 (CDT)
Sorry for the x-posting but this may be of interest to all lists.
The Landrover Register of South Australia Inc. is please to extend an
invitation to all Landrover owners, drivers, and those merely
interested, to attend our third annual Blinman Landrover Jamboree.
The venue is the historic township of Blinman in the picturesque Flinders
Ranges, the time is May 18-20 1996. Come and Join us for three days of
Landrover mania.
For further details please contact me off-line.
(to get an idea of this event look in the sept (?) 1995 issue of LRW
magazine, the one with "Dust Devil's" and you know who's stage 1 on the cover
:-)
cheers hope to see you there
--
Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:37:42 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject: Birmingham, AL
Is anyone on the list familar with the dealer in Birmingham, AL. I live in
Nashville and have heard that they have two RR's at what seems like a
good price. It's a three hour drive but my local dealer hasn't had one for
under $25,000 in months.
If anyone has seen these RR's or has an opinion about the dealer,
please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:49:02 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
Is that the manual or the automatic?
Cheers!
John
At 13:16 13.03.96 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote:
>I was told we don't need one as the tranny already has some kind of
>open slot to deal with it.
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>#include <std_disclaim.h>
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:49:06 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
Tom,
They should be wrapped up under the back seats. If you ate them, did you at
least put Grey Poupon on them?
Cheers!
John
At 18:12 13.03.96 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote:
>What toolkit? All I got was the pocket with the roof racks and jack
>stuff ( not counting the tin full of stuff, which I ate, maybe I ate
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>> > > their disco, please drop me a line with details. In particular, my truck
>> > > is a '95 NAS, if that matters. (The info I just got from my dealer
doesn't
>> > > make much sense to me.) I'd be interested in (a) if the plug was in the
>> > > tool kit or screwed into a holder on the bell housing, and (b)
position on
>> > > the bell housing it is fitted for wading. Many thanks.
>> > > -Bob
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>#include <std_disclaim.h>
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Range Rover Register: http://www.apricot.co.uk/rel3/directory/rrr/index.html
RoverWeb: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/
Lloyd's http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/
If Major Domo barfs at something, and you're convinced he should have
understood what you sent him, contact majordomo-owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
-B
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