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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:21:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Topsham, Me. coil sighting
> Nashville and have heard that they have two RR's at what seems like a
> good price. It's a three hour drive but my local dealer hasn't had one for
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> please let me know.
> Thanks in advance.
The above prompts me to mention that the local Volvo dealer here (near
Brunswick, Me) has a couple of used 93 RR's and a 94 Discovery for sale in
the low 30's. I've looked at them and they are in great shape, but out of
my price range. I wouldn't bring this up in this forum except that there aren't many
chances around here to get coils without traveling. Goodwin's Volvo 207-729-3369.
The scuttlebutt is that he is starting a LR dealership in the Portland
area. (No, he isn't my Father-in-law.)
Ron Franklin
Bowdoin, Maine, USA
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Date: 15 Mar 96 10:50:17 EST
From: Tom Snurka <76550.2503@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Gauges and the 3.9L Disco
I do concur about adding risk if one were to drill and tap the oil pan plug for
the temp sender but, I spent a little time under the big dog last night and I
think the risk minimal. First, the probability of impact is relatively minor
due to the positioning of the pan itself. Second, the proposed solution is an
electrical sensor inside a sealed metal enclosure now tapped into(and protected
by) a major league sized drain plug. For it to be damaged to the point of
actually losing fluid would require a strike vectored from both the Y axis and
the X axis (from the drivers side and up from the bottom). In my opinion, a
strike required to do damage sufficient to destroy the sensor to the point of
leaking would probably have damaged the original plug/pan sufficiently to cause
leakage. A better solution would be to position the sensor on the trailing edge
of the oil pan but as I've stated before, I'm hesitant to hole an aluminium pan
and go brazing away on it for fear of the wierd molecular changes and warping.
The big dog leaks enough already.
I was hoping to find another connection to tap into around the oil filter/pump
area but cursory investigation did not turn anything up.
I'm off to the local dealership to see what the true sizes of the drain plug and
the idiot light sensor is. I can't believe they're still using Whitless sizing!
Sayitain'tso! This after I got rid of all my Whitworth tools years ago.
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Date: 15 Mar 96 11:09:24 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco wading plug
The owners manual says that Stick shifts need wading plugs, autos do
not
Regards
Chris Browne and Baron
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From: heslop@mco.dec.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:49:13 GMT
Subject: Radio specifications
Hi all,
I've an 89 RR Vogue TD fitted with the standard radio cassette and four
speaker system. Does anyone know the power output of the unit, and the power
handling of the speakers?
Thanks,
Brian
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Date: 15 Mar 96 12:18:13 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Zen and a feeble attempt at humor
No no no!
Lucas is the Prince of Darkness because somebody over here said wait
until you see the whites of their eyes before you shoot.
If The Rebels had had Lucas lights back in 1770, the USA would still be part of
the empire!!!!!
regards
Chris Browne
Brit in Boston
Aooooooh! Its nearly St Patricks day in Boston-the day Brits were chased
out of Boston
Better hide before they find me!!!
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:25:09 -0800
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Disco toolkit...
John C. White, III wrote:
> Tom,
> They should be wrapped up under the back seats.
Hmmmm.
At the risk of looking like an idiot (no, I DON'T need any help here), I
didn't generate this reply until I was sure it was safe (wanted somebody
ELSE to be the idiot - then I could be an EXPERT !).
The only thing that was under MY back seat were the useless "styling
bars" for the useless roofrack (yeah - I got a REAL roofrack now) and the
lug wrench. By the way, the first time I opened the bag was when the
temp was about -15F and it cracked into several parts...
So - WHERE'S MY TOOLKIT ???
Even my crummy ALFA had a COOL toolkit in the trunk !
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 12:31:25 EST
Subject: Re: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
Oscar,
I found the part numbers you were looking for:
1. Temp sensor for ECU EAC3927L (may be superseded by ETC8496)
this sensor is located to the right of the thermostat housing
2. The temp transmiiter sensor for the temp gauge is either
PRC 6317 for the 3.5 engine
PRC 7918 for the 3.9 engine
this sensor is located to the left and slightly below (I think) the
thermostat housing. It only has a single connection to it.
3. The sensor (actually temp activated switch) for the A/C fan is part
# PRC3505 and is located in the thermostat housing itself.
My parts manual is a couple of years old so some of these part numbers
may have been changed.
Regards
Mike Lenaghan
87 RRs (2)
> Subject: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
> Author: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net> at inetmail
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> >Regards
> >Mike Lenaghan
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:52:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Disco toolkit...
Things have got to a sorry state if the toolkit now supplied with Discos
is just a lug wrench! My 89 RR came with quite a decent little set of
tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, adjustable pliers, etc) not to mention a
hydraulic jack that appears to be designed for lifting small buildings,
and a set of wheel chocks. Of course what it should have come with is a
duplicate of every sensor in the vehicle -- most of which have at some
time failed.
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote:
> John C. White, III wrote:
> > Tom,
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> 847-696-2828 FAX: 847-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:27:56 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: Wading plug on Disco
Here's a quasi definitive answer on the wading plugs question (thanks go to
Bill Marle (sp) head of service at LRMW for doing the research). Sometime
in early '95 LR changed the housing so that there is no more hole, and
hence no plug to fill the hole. (There may be a slot soewhere near the
front of the bell housing, but no need to fill it.) If your truck (like
mine) was built in early '95, look at the center bottom of the bell
housing. If there's a round 1/4" threaded hole, you should also find a
plug mounted to a bracket on the tranny. No hole? You're all set.
Older RRs, up to late 80s, had a plug that came in the tool kit. Later on,
LR fixed a bracket near the tranny to hold the wading plug, should it
become necessary to use it. Now, LR says there is no need for the hole at
all, and did away with the plugs. (So if you have an older RR with a new
tranny, you probably don't have the hole.)
Bill also explained that they did away with the plugs because they are so
rarely needed. Basically, you'd have to be doing something like driving
upstream in 12"+ of water for a fair while before it made a difference. In
almost all other circumstance the water that gets in will just leak out, as
it is designed to.
So that's why it was a bit of a mess figuring this out. Any mistakes above
are from my poor memory, I'm sure, and not Bill's explanation.
-Bob Virzi
rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
+1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 13:55:54 EST
Subject: Range Rover Sensors
I know I'll probably regret this but in my 87 RR (116K miles) the only
sensor I've had to replace is the temp sender for the temp gauge.
In my second 87 RR which I've only had a few months (47K miles) I've
already had to replace the coolant sensor for ECU and have had
intermiitent problems with a sticking idle stepper motor. Maybe this
one is more the norm.
Mike Lenaghan
87 RRs (2)
> Subject: Re: Disco toolkit...
> Author: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> at inetmail
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:26:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: '89 NAS RR coolant sensors
On Fri, 15 Mar 1996 lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com wrote:
> 2. The temp transmiiter sensor for the temp gauge is either
> PRC 6317 for the 3.5 engine
> PRC 7918 for the 3.9 engine
WARNING NOTE: check the VIN because early 1989 3.9's (like mine, as I
found out to my cost) kept the PRC 6317 which has a very slightly
different thread -- the newer part is cheaper but won't fit.
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:33:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Sensors
Mike -- I don't know what the norm is, but I've had problems with both the
items you mention.
The idle air bypass valve (stepper motor) sometimes sticks and screws up
the idle speed control, especially when I give it prolonged and intensive
diets of desert dust, and needs periodic lubrication. (Note -- I think
this is a GM part -- anyone tried to get it? I got a new one from the
Land Rover dealer and the cost was $140).
The coolant level sensor fails periodically and so far I've been able to
recover it by taking it apart (carefully with a heat gun) and resoldering
the internals.
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
On Fri, 15 Mar 1996 lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com wrote:
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> > >
> >
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Date: 15 Mar 96 16:01:35 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Testing Testing one two three
Just making sure that the message gets out there
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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:19:16 -0500
Subject: Wanted!!
Howdy Folks!
Wanted; shop manuals for 93RR, where to get these? Dealer? RN?
need phone numbers and or address,s
Also looking for publications pertaining to land rovers and range rovers.
Also currious about increasing the performance of my RR, such as exaust
systems, tunning tips, fuel consumtion, etc.
How about snorkel devices for high water and keeping the ignition system dry?
Thanks in advance.
David 93RR
P.S. how do I keep the mud out of my CD player? (just kidding) :)
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:33:33 EST
From: "Paul M. Brodie usssbkpy@ibmmail.com" <usssbkpy@ibmmail.com>
Subject: Keyless Entry
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 DavidP30@aol.com wrote:
>> I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
>>Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!
Yes, David - you can get a keyless clicker. We got a 2nd clicker for our 93 RR,
but it took FOREVER AND A DAY !! We had to badger the dealer for several months
before it finally came in. It's not an item that the dealer can supply - they
told us that the request goes to LRNA, then across the pond to Solihull.
My advice - be persistent and patient, and you may be rewarded !!
Regards,
Paul
Boston area,
where it's (almost) legal to make a left turn from the right lane...
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:55:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Tom W's Tin full o' stuff
Uhm....
That wasn't a fruitcake! it was a wheel chock :)
Tomw
> Talking about Tom's Solihull-Genuine Tin Full o' goodies.........come to
> think of it...if I remember correctly, the fruitcake-thingie that was
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> Land Rover 4 Ever!
> 1995 Land Rover Discovery
> "Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Fluent Networks
"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Wanted!!
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 14:59:48 MST
DavidP30@aol.com inquires:
> How about snorkel devices for high water and keeping the ignition
> system dry?
Check with ARB, I know they make them for J**ps and T*y*t*s.
Something I've always wondered about snorkels: How do you keep
rain out? It would seem that driving in the rain would cause
water to be collected in significant enough quantities to cause
problems. Or does the water just act as an octane booster as in
a water injection system? At a minimum I'm sure the air filter
would get soaked.
Or is there a drain hole at the bottom of the snorkel tube? :-)
FWIW - given the placement of the air intake (at least in a D90),
I think an electric fan with a manual cutoff and a water-proof
distributor would be higher on my list of modifications for deep
wading. The April issue of Four Wheeler has some good waterproofing
tips, as did one a few months ago (coincidently, both issues also
have D90 long term reports...)
--
Jeff Gauvin
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:01:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Disco toolkit...
I thinks thats all thats there! I have my own tools in the vehicle
Tomw
> Things have got to a sorry state if the toolkit now supplied with Discos
> is just a lug wrench! My 89 RR came with quite a decent little set of
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> > 847-696-2828 FAX: 847-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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Fluent Networks
"Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:12:02 -0500
Subject: Wanted!!
Howdy Folks!
Wanted; shop manuals for 93RR, where to get these? Dealer? RN?
need phone numbers and or address,s
Also looking for publications pertaining to land rovers and range rovers.
Also currious about increasing the performance of my RR, such as exaust
systems, tunning tips, fuel consumtion, etc.
How about snorkel devices for high water and keeping the ignition system dry?
Thanks in advance.
David 93RR
P.S. how do I keep the mud out of my CD player? (just kidding) :)
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Date: 15 Mar 96 17:22:05 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Zen and survival
Trick question!
85 NAS RR ?????? where did you find that one? thought 87 was the
earliest year!
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco toolkit...
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:59:16 -0800
>Things have got to a sorry state if the toolkit now supplied with
>Discos
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>hydraulic jack that appears to be designed for lifting small buildings,
>and a set of wheel chocks.
On the contrary, that just shows how "reliable" they've gotten since
1989 :-) All you really need in the tool kit is the cell-phone (or at
least a quarter) so you can call the Road-side Repair. When that runs
out, then buy the lug wrench.
_____
/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
| | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com
|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
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[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ Tools? I don't need no stinking tools!
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:38:57 EST
From: "Paul M. Brodie usssbkpy@ibmmail.com" <usssbkpy@ibmmail.com>
Subject: Keyless Entry
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 DavidP30@aol.com wrote:
>> I would also like to know if I can purchase a keyless entry clicker from
>>Land-Rover, as the one for my RR is missing!!!
Yes, David - you can get a keyless clicker. We got a 2nd clicker for our 93 RR,
but it took FOREVER AND A DAY !! We had to badger the dealer for several months
before it finally came in. It's not an item that the dealer can supply - they
told us that the request goes to LRNA, then across the pond to Solihull.
My advice - be persistent and patient, and you may be rewarded !!
Regards,
Paul
Boston area,
where it's (almost) legal to make a left turn from the right lane...
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 17:23:05 PST
From: dtownsen@steinway.edaca.ingr.com (Dave Townsend)
Subject: RE: Disco toolkit...
All,
I might add my 10cent/10p 's worth about carrying toolkits....
I pulled out the jack and lug wrench (is there a proper British English
term for the spanner thingie which you use to change the wheels?) in order
to put in some better stereo equipment in my Range Rover. (probably this should
be filed under Plushmobile stuff)
I went on a trip over Christmas, and had the misfortune to have a tire blow out on
a flat road surface - no rocks, or potholes to be seen - no tools to change the wheel... So,
hitch-hiking with the Lady Friend (steaming mad by now) we get the California
AAA to come out to fix the wheel by the nice AAA tow truck man.
However, the nice man does not have a wrench for my lug nuts, they are too bit,
but he does try with the correct size socket. Crunch, socket is shattered !!
Now the nice man has to tow me back 20 miles in shame into town to his depot
and then he finds the right tool. The nice man was very impressed by the size and weight
of the lug nuts on the Range Rover, those British Guys didn't want any nuts
shearing off or wheels coming off unexpectedly!
Anyway, don't forget your lug wrench, because you may be out of luck when it comes
to changing wheels in far off places, and you might get stuck there for longer than
you planned.
dave
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 17:26:55 PST
From: dtownsen@steinway.edaca.ingr.com (Dave Townsend)
Subject: RE: Disco toolkit...
All,
Does anybody know the correct towing procedure for a
Range Rover ?
dave
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:16:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Paul O'Donnell" <paulod@erols.com>
Subject: Clicker for 93 Range Rover
The best place to purchase the remote control for the door locks and alarm
is at your friendly neighborhood Land-Rover dealer. Please bring the Range
Rover with you as the control unit for the alarm system needs to be
programmed to recognize the remote(bring the other remote if you have
it-they both need to be programmed at the same time) I think that the
control unit will only recognize two remotes. I think that the 92-94 Range
Rovers used an Alpine alarm system-you may be able to get some help form a
car stereo dealer.
Paul 91 Range Rover
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:12:43 -0500 (EST)
From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net>
Subject: Vermont Rover Group
Hello, if I've managed to keep it a secret this long, I'm sorry!
We are starting a LR group in Vermont; most of the members are in the
Middlebury area and we are hoping to have a small spring ( MUD! ) rally
next month or so. If you are interested and in VT/NH/NY or Qubec/Mass and
like to drive, mail me at my address below or give me a ring from
6pm-11pm on (802) 388-0737 and I'll send you one of the few news letters
we have left.
<sorry for the cross posting, we have all kinds of rovers in our group>
John Antram rewt@sover.net RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, VT 05753
1972 Land Rover Series III 88", sunrooves (badly improvised by PO), Red
1995 Land Rover Discovery, 5-speed, sunrooves, Roman Bronze
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL, Anthracite Gray
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From: rruffer@interserv.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:14:17 -0800
Subject: winches
I'm looking to add a winch to my '94 D90. Does anyone have any recommendations?
I've seen some ads, and large price reductions, on hydraulic winches. Does
anyone have experience with these? Are they better than electric? Thanks in
advance.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:11:44 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Disco toolkit
> (is there a proper British English
>term for the spanner thingie which you use to change the wheels?)
a wheelbrace.
>However, the nice man does not have a wrench for my lug nuts, they are too bit,
>but he does try with the correct size socket. Crunch, socket is shattered !!
A similar thing happened to me a while ago. We had a rear tyre (a retread)
shed its outer plies on the M1. Our attempts to undo the wheelnuts resulted
in mashing the wheelbrace into a twisted wreck. The motorway police stopped,
but their wheelbrace from their Range Rover didn't fit. They phoned the AA
for us; after a couple of hours the AA van arrived - surprise surprise he
didn't have a wheelbrace that fitted. He phoned a local garage to obtain
what he called a torque multiplier.
When this mysterious tool eventually was produced, it turned out to be an
old socket with a bloody great bar welded on to it. It did the job though. I
subsequently obtained a heavier-duty brace than the original LR item, which
I have to this day.
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Tom Stevenson gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel 01475 530581
Fax 01475 530601
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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Oil changing... still :-(
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:30:03 +1030 (CDT)
Ok I know this is dragging on :-( So....
I Daryl Webb, on this 16th day of March 1996, do solemnly I swear by the
great god of LUCAS that never ever again on the RRO list will I ever offer
any information backed by personal experience without first obtaining a
reference from a manual. I swear this by the holy flicker of my
headlights, so help me Joseph.
Michael & Krista Kirk respond to my last posting:
>> What about in the trouble shooting section, ISTR a line on "failure to
>> acheive oil pressure after change" or some such topic in one of my
>> manuals. >
> Where, in what manual ? What page?
Ok You've caught me out there is no such mention in trouble shooting.
However I direct you to the following:
Range Rover Repair Operations Manual Part No AKM 3630
(issued by Rover Triumph service division, Leyland Cars, England 1977)
Section: Engine
sub section: Oil filter
procedure: Remove and replace
Operation number: 12.60.01
(sorry there are no page numbers in this manual)
And
Land Rover V8 Repair Operations Manual (sup.) Part AKM 8022 (2nd ed.)
(published by Land Rover Limited 1991)
Section: Engine
sub section: Oil filter
procedure: Remove and replace
Operation number: 12.60.01
page 12-31
where you will find the following:
"CAUTION: Do NOT delay fitting a new filter, otherwise the oil pump may
drain and require priming (12.60.26) before running the engine"
cheers
Daryl
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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:41:50 -0500
Subject: V-8 interest
Something of interest for Rover V-8 owners at
http://www.edelbrock.com/man_rover.html ...see you at the dragstrip.
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