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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:09:51 -0500
Subject: '89 Range Rover Power Locks

>locks.  Is it supposed to? 

No, only the drivers door lock will actuate the other locks on the '89's.
 The drivers side atcuator is different from all the others and has four
wires (the others have two)

On 1990 models the actuator on the passenger door so it would open all the
locks.

Kevin Kelly
'89 Range Rover

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:34:52 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight switch on D90

barnett childress wrote:
> Lee,
> Are you sure the switch is broken, and not just loose in the column?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Good luck
> Barnett

After many hours of not having enough time to look, I looked. The nut
that holds the switch to the column had come off; one turn to few at the
factory. All repaired, thank you for the inuitive and clearly correct
fix.

-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:19:47 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  First LR

Antonios writes:
They had it listed in the paper for $29,500 and they gave me $29,000.
I already put a deposit down to hold it for me but I was wondering
what other owners thought of this price.  

I just purchased my D90 in January (and have been loving it ever
since), but I searched almost daily (yes, we all have a little
'zealot' in us, don't we?) for over 6 months across the U.S.) via
phone, internet, newspapers, whatever... 

Unfortunately, during this time it was announced that there would be
no more D90's coming into the US (this has since changed from what I
hear, and production and shipping into the US could begin again as
soon as '97). I saw a definite reaction in prices while I was
shopping for those six months during the "no more D90's"
announcement.

But, now that the D90 is supposedly reappearing, I have also seen the
knee jerk price jump slowly relax to a place that is in between the
original range and the  "limited production" range. 

For a D90 w/5300 miles, a new soft top (is it the Bestop with zip out
windows? I had heard that the original 94's didn't have the zip outs,
which are definitely a nice feature of the soft top), and side steps
for $29,000 seems a little high (not bad, though). But it should have
at least a rear seat or maybe air for that price. I don't see too many
for sale around here (Mpls, MN), but when I was on the tail end of my
search I was able to find several '94's with plenty of options
(multiple tops, bars, ac, etc) with miles ranging from 8k-20k for
around $26.5-$28.5 or so... I don't think the mileage would affect it
that much.... 

Anyway, I lucked out in my search and landed an "almost" brand new
one (1100 miles from demo-ing) for $25.6. I guess patience is a
virtue!

Good luck and happy Rover-ing!

Bob Kolander
'95 AA Yellow D90

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Service Report
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 10:25:07 MST

PurnellJE@aol.com says: 

: Just got my truck back from Berndt LR in Milwaukee, had a list of small
: things to be done.  For fun, I'll let you know how it went:
: 
: 1.  Fault Code #48 repeatedly on, after resets.  Erratic Idle Variations.
:  Engine Floods occaisonally at morning starts.  Plugs Fouled after only
: 15K miles.  Slight hesitation near 2800rpm at light accels.
: 
: Dealer replace the PROM in my computer,

Just had my '94 in for its 15K checkup.  I reported the "runs rough when
cold" and "can't restart after stall when cold" problems.  The mechanic
claimed that the idle air control stepper motor had rough operation and
replaced it.  It doesn't really seem any better (haven't had oportunity
to test the stall situation yet) so I suspect the mechanic was just
guessing and felt he had to replace something to keep me happy.

I used to have the erratic idle problem, but now that you mention it, I
haven't noticed it for quite a while now.  The dealer must have fixed it
by accident at some point, or there was a "silent recall" and the
problem was fixed w/o my knowledge while the vehicle was in for
something else.

I also switched to synthetics everywhere (Mobil 1).  It does seem a
little smoother, but it wasn't the quantum leap I was expecting for
having spent over $200 on oils & labor (I still have to take my time
with the 1-2 gear change).  I was quite surprised when the manual called
for ATF in the manual tranny, but the dealer didn't tell me I bought the
wrong stuff and it still works, so...

BTW - I am on the trail of my 40mph vibration/noise.  Initially the
dealer claimed they couldn't hear anything (isn't that always the
case?), so I took them for a drive; that seemed to improve their
hearing.  So, they put it back up on the rack and started tapping things
with a rubber mallet, and detected a "loose sound" from inside the
catalytic converter.  A new one is on order.  Though the cat may indeed
be broken, it seems unlikely to me that this is the source of the noise
because the noise seems to be coming from a different location.  This
may just be another case of "replace something to keep him happy."

We'll see.

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90 #1930

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:03:03 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Disco problems

>I don't remember if this has been brought up before, but does Canada have
>lemon laws like the ones here in the US? I found them usefull on some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>work? That is if the Canadian warranty is valid out-of-country.
>Daniel McDonough
>mcdonoug@cs.unm.edu
Daniel

It's not the dealer that I am having problems with, it's the manufacturer
- Land Rover.  The dealer has gone out of its way to replace or repair all
the defective bits that have shown themselves so far.  My gripe is that
the dealer is being called upon by LR to overcome all the defects in the
Disco that it left with from the factory.  My point, and you are welcome
to disagree, is that LR should have built a quality vehicle in the first
place.  I certainly paid for one.  But that is not what I received for my
money.  Instead I received a vehicle that leaked front and rear, that has
a terrible radio, that sucks gas at a rate almost double what I was told
to expect, and that has had the transmission replaced and the fuel cut-off
replaced in less than 12,000 kilometres (7500 miles).  If this is what LR
calls quality, I want no part of it.

--
Grant Wilkinson
Ottawa, Canada
ag832@freenet.carleton.ca

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:23:19 -0500
Subject: D90 Heater modification, 94s

Awhile back someone posted that they had modified their 94 D90 passenger side
AC duct so that the heretofore closed off heater vent passed through the AC
stuff and then allowed frozen passengers to thaw.  Do you remember?  If
anyone has this post in their harddrive somehwere on how/what they did, could
you send it to me... thanks.

John,  Madison, WI
94 D90, frozen fiancee feet  ("...I'll say yes when you fix that heater
duct...")

...actually it is for ME!  In order to keep that pesky passenger warm, I need
to crank heat on full, which ultimately fries my forehead and roasts me.  I
can't take the heat like that... heck, that's WHY I bought the Land Rover in
the first place...

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:24:34 -0500
Subject: Re: My First Land Rover

In a message dated 96-03-24 10:26:34 EST, 75051.2034@compuserve.com (Antonios
Hadjigeorgali) writes:

> I'm OK with this price but, my family is
>notorious for their bargaining skills and they are laughing at my skimpy
$500
>discount.  Any comments are greatly appreciated.  

Antonios, I got one word for you:  LIE!  Or rather, BLUFF!  Tell your kin you
paid $26,900!!  If you can bargain, you can easily convince your brother of
this.  

You might be able to find one elsewhere, and bargain down a bit more, that's
always possible.  But, unless you are independently wealthy and can simply
get on a plane/train/or other vein (sorry, a lil' poetic licensure...) and
scamper 'cross country finding it, spending 2000$ in the process, it is
difficult to just "find" the defenders.  A fellow up in Minnesota was looking
for a LONG time, and only recently found one.

  I would bet that the Los Angeles area would be a best bet for used
defenders.  Peeople there buy sometimes for more style and look than complete
function, and the defenders not being the perfect hour-each-way commuter car,
got sold back soon.   The dealer was surprised at how much I liked mine, and
was willing to forgive the lack of ammenities and still pay such a price tag.
 Others, they said, simply came back and complained, then sold them.  

I think you need to look at the condition of the particular truck you
found... only 5300 miles!?!  That is hard to fathom, I think you WIN.  I
don't know what others paid for their trucks new, I think I did good at
$27,000 with AC, full top, rear seat.  But, mine was a special deal, the
dealer had 2 95s sitting on the lot and my red 94 in the back, like they was
hiding it owing to the new ones out front.  Just luck on my part that they
didn't sell it before there next shipment came in.   Nowadays, there aint no
more shipments... what you see is what they got.

John, Madison, WI  94 D90

BTW:  Berndt LR in Milw has about 25 Rovers/Discos on their lot!  I've never
seen so many!  They must have really sold things well to get allocated such
an inventory, twentyfive!!

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:52:04 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  Re: My First LR

Another place you might wanna check is in AZ. I was down there a week
or so ago, and, besides the many (yes, many!) I saw driving around,
there were 3 (2 green 94's, a black 95 (maybe)) D90's and one green
brand new 95 SW all on the LR lot, plus another D90 (white?) on a lot
close by (trade in...I think it was on a Jeep lot...sniff...).

Anyway, didn't check prices, but might be worth a call... I think I
have a number if you want to know more.

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: Fording in the Discovery and other wetness
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:39:54 -0800

While under my Discovery yesterday, I noticed the axle vents didn't seem
very high, only about the top of the tire in height. The rear axle is
vented just below the rear floor and the front axle vent is in the
engine compt. below the power brake diaphram. While I don't think this
has caused a problem yet (i.e. no water in the axles) I think I'm going
to extend them just a bit higher for peace of mind if nothing else. For
the rear, I though I'd vent it into the cabin though the holes in the
floor that the turn signal wires go. And the front I though I'd move
further up the fire wall behind the engine, 

Before I do the rear, I was wondering if venting the rear axle into the
cabin would smell bad or otherwise introduce noxious fumes into the car?
If so, I'll just run the vent hose up to the front with the front axle
vent. 

I couldn't find (nor did I really look for) the transmission and
transfer case vents. Anyone know where they are located?

Also, some time ago I reported (much to the amusement of the series
crowd) that the rear mat in the cargo area below the carpet was getting
wet mysteriously. I've since found and plugged that leak now. When I
added the trailer wiring some time ago I punched through one of the
plastic plugs in the floor board to run the wires out side. I apparantly
didn't seal that hole which is right behind the right rear tire so while
driving in the rain, the water would run up the wires and into the cabin
soaking the floor mat in the process. Since the floor mat is an
open-cell (i.e. sponge) foam it would just soak it up. A healthy dose of
undercoating and sealer cured that problem.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/  	               High and Dry

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:59:42 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Disco problems

'94's are selling (quickly) in the Denver area for about $4K under original
cost.  The more loaded models are admittedly a little harder to get rid of
(who needs dual A/C and $1500 worth of sunroofs anyway?). How much over MSRP
did you pay for it anyway?

- Paul.

At 08:48 AM 3/25/96 -0500, Grant Wilkinson wrote:
>It has been suggested by a few members of this list, not inappropriately,
>that with all the complaining that I have done about the complete lack of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Ottawa, Canada
>ag832@freenet.carleton.ca

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Service Report
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:24:25 -0800

>with a rubber mallet, and detected a "loose sound" from inside the
>catalytic converter.  A new one is on order.  
This happened to my Jeep after a few fordings: Hot Cat-Con meets Cold
Stream. Fortunately it was before the 50K emissions warranty so it was
replaced under warranty.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

>with a rubber mallet, and detected a "loose sound" from inside the

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Date: 25 Mar 96 15:16:46 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Fording in the Discovery and other wetness

     
     Bob:
     
     Manco, A company in the UK makes wading kits for discoveries.
     Most of their work is on TDI models- they fit snorkels then run the 
     breather hoses into the snorkel from both front and rear.
     Without the snorkel they recommend that you run the rear tube up the 
     rear pillar to the rear light area, the from extends high in the 
     engine bay
     
     Rovers North extends the breather tube into the passenger compartment
     Didn't smell a thing on the recent BSROA off road weekend (covered by 
     the Boston Globe Automobile section this weekend) in two days of 
     driving.
     
     If your car is an auto there are no wading plugs or anything to fit, 
     spray everything with WD40 and try some silicon grease/tape to seal 
     the distributor/plugs etc
     
     Regards
     Chris Browne and Baron (only small puddles so far none from the engine 
     or auto transmission)
     Brit in Boston
     

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco problems
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:26:47 -0800

I've been watching the Seattle Want-Ads for Rovers, specifically Disco
and since I bought mine 8 months ago, I've seen less than 5 in the
paper. Avg asking price (from the news paper) has been in the
US$29,000-$31,000. From the Auto Trader Want-ads on the Web,
(http://www.traderonline.com) there were 8 Discos (nationwide) in the
USD $28-32K range depending on equip, age and milage. 

Taking a $12K bath on selling the Disco sounds a bit extreme (unless
you're including unrecoverable taxes, etc, then I could believe it).

>----------
>From: 	Paul Orland[SMTP:paulor@chs.com]
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 36 lines)]
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>ag832@freenet.carleton.ca

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Subject: Re: Fording in the Discovery and other wetness
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 12:18:18 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>Before I do the rear, I was wondering if venting the rear axle into the
>cabin would smell bad or otherwise introduce noxious fumes into the car?
>If so, I'll just run the vent hose up to the front with the front axle
>vent.

It'll smell real bad if you flip the truck.  The smell of 90 weight hangs 
around leather for years!

                                                        _______
                                                       //_/_|__\___
                                                       \_ - ___ - _d 
                                                         (o)   (o)

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:54:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: RE: D90 Service Report

 >with a rubber mallet, and detected a "loose sound" from inside the
 >catalytic converter.  A new one is on order.  

	The "loose sound" in my 109 sw exhaust system is a 1/2" spanner
	a friend dropped in by mistake while changing studs on the head
	for a replacement intake/exhaust manifold transplant (long story,
	a 20 minute job turned into a 6.5 hour one this past Saturday...)
	:-)

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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 15:27:26 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Lights

I bought a pair of "Black Magic" Hella 1000's for my 88 RR. These lamps look 
black when not on, but are extremely bright, offering a great, wider area of 
coverage when on.  I removed the spoiler and so didn't have the lower driving 
lights anymore. The wattage was slightly higher from the lower driving lamps 
to the Black Magic lamps. I wired the Hellas to the original factory wiring 
for the driving lamps. They work fine. 

I mounted mine to the bumper, there is enough room to mount Hella 2000's to a 
standard RR / Disco bumper. 

Mark

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From:  Paul Orland
Sent:  Friday, March 22, 1996 12:27 PM
Subject:  Re: Lights

At 10:48 AM 3/22/96 -0500, Robert A. Virzi wrote:
>The >other< list is having a discussion relating to lighting.  I'm
>wondering if any recent coil sprung owners have modified their lights.
>  Anybody tried lamp upgrades or the like?

I am making the following modifications:

1. Replace stock 60/55W H4 bulbs with 100/80W H4 bulbs (Hella's, although I
dont think the bulbs themselves make that much difference)

2. Move PIAA Pro-80 130W Fogs from Montero onto Disco, using PIAA's GREAT
wiring harness, replaceing toggle switch with factory Disco fog light switch
(just recieved it, about $11) and wired into high beams.

Yes, that's right, I'm wiring the "fog" lights to high beams. If anyone is
considering buying a high wattage aux. light, I would stongly recommend
fog's vs. driving or pencils. Pencils are nearly useless except in loooonggg
straights, Fogs are geat for illuminating curves, but when aimed up a
little, are completely blinding to oncoming traffic.

Concerns:
--------------
A. Can factory headlamp wiring harness handle the 100/80W bulbs in the
factory headlamps? If not, PIAA makes a relay/wiring kit that uses the
factory wiring to control the lights, but wires up power directly from the
battery using a relay, as do their aux. lights with PIAA wiring harnesses.
(About $80).

B. Will heat from 100/80W bulbs damage the lexan headlight covers? I don't
really think so, but would bum heavily if I melted 'em.

C. Should I mount the PIAA's directly to the bumper or postpone the project
until I get a grill guard or ($$$) a Safari Guard front bumper setup.

D. Figuiring out the pinouts of the factory switch. It is a lighted switch
and has five contacts, labeled 1-5. Pin 1,4,5 seem to be connected with
switch off, 1,2,4,5 connected with switch on. My GUESS as to the wiring from
this is:

 1: Power in: (from High Beam feed if I want circuit switched with High's)
 2: Power out: to aux. light relay
 3: Ground??
 4: Not used. Connected to 1.
 5: Not used. Connected to 1.

Switch then would only be used when I don't want my PIAA's go go on when
headlights and highbeams are on.

Anyone have a wiring diagram for a '96 Disco with factory fog's? Does the
wiring diagram have pin numbers on the fog light switch? 
Comments/Confirmation?

Anyone know alternator output of a '94 Disco? 460W/13V = 35 Amps of
headlights alone!

- Paul.

94 NAS Disco V8i Red, with Soon to be VERY bright headlights!

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:05:37 +0000
Subject:       RE: Lights

> 1. Replace stock 60/55W H4 bulbs with 100/80W H4 bulbs (Hella's, although I
> dont think the bulbs themselves make that much difference)

Is this the headlight you are replacing the bulbs for ( I know you 
can get better after market headlight bulbs for some vehicles, when I 
called Rovers North for hella's for the Disco ( 95 ) headlights they 
said there were no aftermarket alternatives.

> Yes, that's right, I'm wiring the "fog" lights to high beams. If anyone is
> considering buying a high wattage aux. light, I would stongly recommend
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> straights, Fogs are geat for illuminating curves, but when aimed up a
> little, are completely blinding to oncoming traffic.

I would like a shematic/directions for wiring lights to the high 
beams

> D. Figuiring out the pinouts of the factory switch. It is a lighted switch
> and has five contacts, labeled 1-5. Pin 1,4,5 seem to be connected with
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>  5: Not used. Connected to 1.
> Switch then would only be used when I don't want my PIAA's go go on when
> headlights and highbeams are on.
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Lights
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:28:44 -0800

>> Yes, that's right, I'm wiring the "fog" lights to high beams. If anyone is
>I would like a shematic/directions for wiring lights to the high 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>I would like a shematic/directions for wiring lights to the high 
>beams
I fed the car battery voltage to the relay contacts of the relay mounted
behind the left headlamp. The relay coil is powered by a tap into the
high beam lead (the lead that powers the stock high beam filaments). I
wanted to minimize the intrusion into the electrical system so this way
all auxiliary light power is on a separate circuit with a circuit
breaker off the battery and only the relay coil (very low current draw)
is powered by "Lucas" volts.

                 +-----------+              V NC
 + 12 Batt ------+40 AMP C.B.+-------(*)-----     Relay contacts
                 +-----------+
                                            ^ NO 
                                            +---------> to fog/driving
lamps
High beam lead ----+---------------------+  
			 |     	           >
                   |                     <  Relay 
                   |                     >  Coil
                   |                     <
                   |              +------+
                   |              |
                   |            Ground
                   |
                   +--------> to high beam filament
                              of left head lamp

When High beams are on the relay is energized and the NO (Normally Open)
contacts are closed connecting the +12 battery voltage to the lamps. The
(*) is the center terminal of the relay.

I spliced into the high beam lead at a junction in the wire harness near
the air cleaner (after
removing the air cleaner) This was the easiest place to be as discreet
as possible in my wire harness invasion. To find the correct wire in the
bundle I traced the color coded lead from the headlamp back then
confirmed with a 12-v Light on alligator clips. (and then crossed my
fingers, you never know with Lucas electrics :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/           that's seen the light!

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:13:31 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: D90 Speedo problem

Maybe I'm a perfectionist, my wife wouldn't agree, but I think a 
speedometer and odometer should reflect the speed you are traveling and 
the mileage accrued on the vehicle. 

Well my D90SW is off by 5%, so what you say, well thats an extra 5,000 
miles when I turn a 100,000. With the D90 prom it means my engine cuts 
out at about 85 not 90 mph. When do you reach 85, well passing on an 
Arizona freeway is a possibility.

Land Rover seems to believe that it's ok to have a 5% deviation on the 
speedometer; in fact they say 10% also acceptable. Maybe I'm hung up on 
accuracy or maybe you might want to check you speedometers.
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:58:54 -0800
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 Speedo problem

Mine seems to run 8% low with respect to my GPS.  I'm going to complain
but since I expect to go to lower gears, and add larger tires, it doesn't
seem something to push to hard.

-Rick
94 D90.

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Date: 26 Mar 96 06:14:52 EST
From: Lars Rosenmeier <100670.3705@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Disco problems

Hi Grant
In my family we have had a few cars over the years that turned out to be lemons.
If you think Lucas invented the darkness you should try driving a Citroen: A
couple of years ago I switched from a Range Rover(!) to a Citroen. I owned that
car  for five months, it simply fell to pieces during my ownership and all the
connectors for the lights were loose, so I was always driving around with at
least one light missing. My father owned a Citroen XM for 3 years/60K miles
which started out by having its gearbox replaced at 300 miles! The car was
repaired at the dealer twice every month for something new! My father had to
avoid some roads because the engine would cut out and die when he passed certain
spots! In Denmark we have no lemon-law so we either have to live with it or sell
it. My advice is: For your peace of mind sell your Discovery. It is not worth
wasting your time and ruining your life because of a badly built car. After all
it is nothing more than a car.
BTW now my father drives a Discovery, no problems yet, 5 months old (knock on
wood...)

Lars

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 7:14:41 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:D90 Speedo problem

Lee,

I have been wondering myself. When traveling at 65 MPH everyone, (and I do 
mean everyone), is passing me like I'm standing still. 

Or maybe it's just that in Mass. most people drive like Assh###s?

Seriously though If I watch a measured mile on the MASS pike it seems that 
I'm off by about a little less than a 10th of a mile. I tried following my 
wife's car once when she was going 65 MPH and the spedo seemed to be 
reading correctly?

Anyone else?

Cheers,
Barnett
95 D90

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Date: 26 Mar 96 08:29:06 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Lights

     Mark:
     
     You have just answered in your message about hella 1000/2000 something 
     I was going to figure out this weekend, that 2000 will fit. 2000 have 
     the same output of light as the 3000, but in a more compact package.
     BTW the 1000 can be fitted with hellas 100w bulb, instead of the 55w
      that you probably have installed.
     
     regards
     Chris B
     95 Disco

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Date: 26 Mar 96 08:41:54 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Speedo problem

     
     FWIW
     Over in the UK it is (or at least was 10 years ago) legally ok to have 
     a speedo that misread by up to 10%,
     Ford always had the worst speedos theirs would invariably be up to and 
     exceeding 10%.
     Motor magazine as part of their road test data always had a speedo 
     accuracy test where they compared the real speed to the indicated 
     speed. 
     If USA car magazines checked speedo accuracy they would invariably 
     find errors. So no big deal
     regards
     Chris Browne
     

> Subject: D90 Speedo problem
> Author:  INTERNET:lzeltzer@isdnet.com at CSERVE
> From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com> 
> Subject: D90 Speedo problem

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> (520)791-3323 X 21
> http://www.isdnet.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:47:59 -0500
From: ag832@freenet.carleton.ca (Grant Wilkinson)
Subject: Disco quality

Tks to all those who have provided advice.  I should clarify a few things
that I seemed to have confused some people about.

1.  I have never knocked all Discos.  Only mine.  I believe that the
quality of my Disco is way below what it should be.  I have received about
30 e-mail msgs from others who ahve had similar or worse problems.  But i
have never said all Discos are lemons.

2.  My dealer is great - it's LR I have a bitch with.

3. I live in Canada.  The purchase price here of a 5-speed, no option
Disco is $42,900.  I added a manual sun roof - not the 2 from the
factory, a trailer towing pkg and a (gasp) CD player.  With the 8%
proviincial tax, the 7% federal tax, the gas guzzler tax, the tire tax
(I'm not kidding), the air conditioner tax and the license transfer, the
cost out the door is more that $50,000.  I've been offer $36,000 for it,
hence the big loss.

--
Grant Wilkinson
Ottawa, Canada
ag832@freenet.carleton.ca

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:54:24 -0500
Subject: 95 D90 Tail Light Failure
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

Well, it happened again. After being told that the leaky tail lights were 
"the nature of the beast" by  Land Rover Metro West and that the water in 
the tail lights is not a problem because they put dielectric grease in 
there, one of my tail lights is out again.

I noticed that only on the red tail lights, the key (notch) in the lense 
is facing upwards whereas all the other tail lamps have the notch facing 
downwards. Does anyone else have this upside-downness? Has anyone come up 
with a permanent fix for this? I think Barnett said that Land Rover 
hasn't come up with a better solution than dielectric grease.

Whining Section:
Water in the tail lamps really bums me out. It really has come to 
symbolize the lackluster quality of workmanship in the vehicle. I love my 
D90 and feel it's a very capable vehicle but I would like to be able to 
drive it (safely) for at least a month at a time before pulling out the 
toolbox.
-AD

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 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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