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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:07:40 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: 95 D90 Tail Light Failure

>is facing upwards whereas all the other tail lamps have the notch facing 
>downwards. Does anyone else have this upside-downness? Has anyone come up 
>with a permanent fix for this? I think Barnett said that Land Rover 
>hasn't come up with a better solution than dielectric grease.

Maybe the lights are different on US models, but over here the tail-light
rubber seal has a notch that is positioned at the bottom so that water can
drain out. If they are fitted properly then they don't fill with water.
Cracked lenses and missing rubber washers from the fixing screws can also
let in water faster than it can get out. UK 90's also have a rubber flap
under the rear wheelarch to stop water and mud being driven in through the
rubber boot at the back of the lamp units.

> but I would like to be able to 
>drive it (safely) for at least a month at a time before pulling out the 
>toolbox.
I should be so lucky!

Cheers!
             Tom
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:19:14 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: 94' NAS D90 Backlash

Greetings!,

I'm new to the list, and am happy to be part of such a comprehensive group
of LR enthusiast!  I have a few questions about my 94' NAS D90 I'd like to
toss out. First, after I bought the vehicle used, (8,900 miles), I noticed a
significant backlash in the T-case.  I brought the vehicle to the dealer and
they responded with the typical "thats normal for these vechicles".  After
riding with another 94' D90 owner, I noticed that his T-case "backlash" was
almost non-existant.  I would'nt care so much, but when I loose traction
(ie. axle cross over) on steep grades, it sounds as though something is
going to give (u-joints, pinon shaft, etc.).  I've removed the sway-bars and
the increased axle articulation is amazing. I don't break traction as much,
but when I do, BAM BAM BAM!. Is any one else experiencing this type of
problem, and if so, is there a "fix"?

Also, I notice a vibration at aprox. 2100 rpm/60-65 mph.  What are the
possible culprits?  It appears that my u-joints are fine.

Thanks!

Doug Marbourg, Santa Fe NM.
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 10:42:22 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: 94' NAS D90 Backlash

Doug,
	My D90 does it too. I've had it happen mostly in very deep
snow. Also bangs around sometimes when I shift sloppy. It's been
like that since new. Checking into it is on my list of things to
do when the weather warms up.

How's your D90 on the road with the sway bars removed?  I've seen
some others post here that they have disconnected thier sway bars.
Have you removed them completely or are you using quick disconnects?

Rob

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:48:16 -0500
Subject: Re: 94' NAS D90 Backlash
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

>Greetings!,
>I'm new to the list, and am happy to be part of such a comprehensive group
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>Doug Marbourg, Santa Fe NM.
>marbourg@lanl.gov

I've noticed this on my 95 D90 as well. It's especially bad shifting 
among low gears in slimy (fun) offroad conditions. I too would be 
interested to hear if anyone has had this tidied up.
-AD

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 Andrew A. Dallas
 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:52:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

Rick writes,

                                                    I'm going to complain
 but since I expect to go to lower gears, and add larger tires, it doesn't
 seem something to push to hard.
 
 -Rick
 94 D90.
***************************************************************************

	Ok, I just gotta ask a few questions here. For starters, WHY would
you want to do such a silly thing. In all my off-roading, which is a lot,
the biggest tires I've ever seen on any serious rig were 36". At Moab, and
the Rubicon, by far most seem to go with 33" to 31.5", and they are using
dedicated off-road trucks, trailered in, not daily drivers. Hell, Doug
Shipman took his stock Range Rover with stock tires over the Rubicon two 
years ago with nary a dent! Don't fall for that goofy chevy/ford big truck
needs BIG tires game, it just aint true! The SLIGHT increase in diff clearance
and break over angle is more than offset by the problems. Among these, steering
geometry gets screwed up, tire clearance to body and chassis is screwed up,
since you must lift the suspension to add clearance, new springs are needed, and
hence, new shocks. Turning those BIG tires left and right while hard off-roading
will eventually kill your power steering box, but don't worry, Rover's North
has em on special this month for $982. Then again, you may only bust an axle,
which they will be happy to sell you for $985.50 for the front and about $450
for the rear, EACH. The raising of the CG will be fun to think about as roll
the truck after attempting a side slope that your friends' Disco just passed
through. And lastly, WHERE, EXACTLY, are these lower gears going to come from?
Land Rover doesn't make em, neither do any of the gear/tranny outfits in the
magazines. A set of custom/one-off gears is going to be spendy, real spendy.
Good off roading is a combination of good equipment 30%, and driver technique
70%. And make no mistake, your D90 IS GOOD equipment! It's more than able to
go most anywhere if you take the time to learn how to drive it properly off-road.
Big tires and lower gears are not the answer, or Land Rover would have put
them on years ago. This is not meant to flame, it just seems that many here
in the US seem to get caught up in the whole "raise the suspension, big tires,
a bakers dozen off-road lights, etc thing. All of which have nothing to do 
WHATSOEVER with enhanced off-road ability. Horses for courses I spose, what
looks/works good to one person, doesn't look/work good to another.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or. D90

 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:18:06 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report

In a message dated 96-03-26 02:30:11 EST, you write:

>um leap I was expecting for
>having spent over $200 on oils & labor (I still have to take my time
>with the 1-2 gear change).  I was quite surprised when the manual called
>for ATF in the manual tranny, but the dealer didn't tell me I bought the
>wrong stuff and it still works, so...

Senior Jeff, are you saying here that you have synthetic 90WT in your
transmission? Instead of the reccomended ATF?  I think I'd spend the effort
to correct that if so.  I was very surprised also, and the info I got on that
was that with finer tolerances in the newer transmissions, they are calling
for a finer lighter weight lubricant.  I don't know, I just work here.  But,
you'd prolly have better cold shifting with the normal ATF , than with the
90wt inthere.  I did the synthetics, but left the trans alone, just checked
level.  The trans seems the least affected by the cold, in my case.
JOhn.  Madison WI. 

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Sway Bar Removal
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 11:31:00 EST

I've noticed that a number of folks have removed the suspension piece that 
controls/limits body roll. (I've seen it called an anti-roll bar or sway 
bar, but I think they are names for the same thing.) It seems that the 
removal has a dramatically positive effect on suspension travel. 
 Unfortunately, my D90 sees much more time on the road than off :-(  Does 
the removal have a big negative effect on handling? The roads where I live 
tend to be narrow and curvy.  Thanks for any replies.

Rich Ruffed
Morristown NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 9:53:02 MST

PurnellJE@aol.com says:

> In a message dated 96-03-26 02:30:11 EST, you write:
> >um leap I was expecting for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> level.  The trans seems the least affected by the cold, in my case.
> JOhn.  Madison WI. 

No, I put Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in the tranny, just like the manual told
me to.  I was just surprised that ATF was the recommended lube, thinking
that maybe it was an error caused by a hasty conversion of the manual
for the NAS D90; auto trannies are available outside of North America,
yes?  I guess I figured that ATF had some magical properties that
weren't needed or wanted in a manual box (I mean, my gawd!  The stuff is
red!).

I think I put 75W-80 in the xfer case and swivel balls (that was the
only weight of Mobil 1 synthetic gear oil I could find - hope it's not
too light), and 15W-50 in the crankcase.  The diffs already had
synthetic from when I put in the air lockers.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion!

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90 "Dinosaur Safe"

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:04:33 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:95 D90 Tail Light Failure

Andrew,

Sorry to hear about your recurring problem with the 95 tail lamps.

It seems that owning a Land Rover includes finding ones own fixes for 
certain problems! Oops, eerrr I mean "symptoms" if you want them 
permanently fixed!

Even though LRMW said that they put the dielectric grease in the lamps...

I would take them apart and inspect each one. If any are showing signs of 
corrosion I would get new ones from the dealer. Grease them yourself and 
then try to seal the lamps with some RTV or maybe some rubber and some tie 
wraps. After that hopefully your problem won't come back. Remember the old 
saying if you want something done right... This is not to knock the 
dealer, it just seems that some times for these types of problems you can 
come up with a better, more permanent fix yourself. 

Cheers,
Barnett
(95 D90 with the rear end still lit!)
Childress

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: 95 D90 Tail Light Failure
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 10:06:31 MST

Andrew A. Dallas whines :-)

> Whining Section:
> Water in the tail lamps really bums me out.

I wonder how much whining would be required to get the round units
replaced with the waterproof square '94 style units, under warantee?

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90, where the tail lamps are the driest part of the vehicle...

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Date: 26 Mar 1996 12:26:05 -0500
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: 94' NAS D90 Backlash

Doug;

Don't remember if the tcase was having a backlash problem, but there was =
a low-frequency vibration coming from my drivetrain.  Dealer first said =
that the vibration was from an exhaust shield, and made some adjustments. =
 That didn't fix the problem.  Took it back a second time, and they =
looked over the Tcase and Trans, and found a bad gear in the Tcase.  They =
ordered a new gear, but after three weeks and receiving the wrong gear =
(26 teeth vs 28 on original), they replace the entire Tcase.  Haven't had =
a problem since.  This problem surfaced when I was still <10K, and I got =
it fixed when I was around 38K.

Bill

 ------ From: Douglas C. Marbourg, Tue, Mar 26, 1996 ------ 

Greetings!,

I'm new to the list, and am happy to be part of such a comprehensive =
group
of LR enthusiast!  I have a few questions about my 94' NAS D90 I'd like =
to
toss out. First, after I bought the vehicle used, (8,900 miles), I =
noticed a
significant backlash in the T-case.  I brought the vehicle to the dealer =
and
they responded with the typical "thats normal for these vechicles".  =
After
riding with another 94' D90 owner, I noticed that his T-case "backlash" =
was
almost non-existant.  I would'nt care so much, but when I loose traction
(ie. axle cross over) on steep grades, it sounds as though something is
going to give (u-joints, pinon shaft, etc.).  I've removed the sway-bars =
and
the increased axle articulation is amazing. I don't break traction as =
much,
but when I do, BAM BAM BAM!. Is any one else experiencing this type of
problem, and if so, is there a "fix"?

Also, I notice a vibration at aprox. 2100 rpm/60-65 mph.  What are the
possible culprits?  It appears that my u-joints are fine.

Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:27:42 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:D90 Sway Bar Removal

Richard,

The only way to know for sure is to take them off and see for yourself, 
only a few bolts. If you don't like it you can very easily put them back 
on. I have had my sway bars off for several months now and I have had no 
problems. The only time I notice any "extra" lean is on expressway on/off 
ramps.

Good luck,
Barnett
95 D90

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:34:07 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:94' NAS D90 Backlash

Doug,
Congratulations on your D90. I had a similar problem with vibration at 65 
MPH. Dealer told me it was due to type of tire. After getting tired of 
this explanation I went to a local tire shop and had my tires rebalanced. 
All four tires were out of balance even though the dealer had already done 
them previously. But the real problem was that my front left rim had a 
large flat spot.

After informing the dealer they agreed to get me another rim. Have your 
tire balance checked.

Good luck
Barnett
95 D90 

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:35:35 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: D90 Anti sway-bars

Rob,

The axle articulation increases that I've experienced are nothing short of
amazing with the SB's removed. When I first pulled them I had full
intentions of fabricating a "quick diconnect", but found that once I got
used to the minor sloppiness on road there was no need.  I should preface
that I also (within a week of removal of the SB's) installed a Old Man Emu
(OME) spring/shock combo, and with it, almost brought the ride back to a
"stock" feel.  The OME gave me about 1.5" of lift in the rear and approx.
2.5 in front (when I add a winch w/bumper it will drop to 1.5").  The total
wheel travel is now at approx. 11" in front and somewhere near 12.5" in the
rear.  My break lines, steering geo.,et. al., are fine also.  

I to also use my vechicle as a daily commuter, and drive mountain roads to
get there.  I've found that instead of barreling into the turns at 60mph
(too fast anyway) I drop to 50-55.

I guess all I can say is take a hour, remove the SB's and hit the street and
trail.  I think you will be supprised!

Doug Marbourg Santa Fe, NM.
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:41:37 -0800
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Eric

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Subject: Re: D90 Service Report
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:22:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

Jeff Gauvin asks:

 No, I put Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in the tranny, just like the manual told
 me to.  I was just surprised that ATF was the recommended lube, thinking
 that maybe it was an error caused by a hasty conversion of the manual
 for the NAS D90; auto trannies are available outside of North America,
 yes?
 
 snip

 No. Defenders are all manual trannies. However, in mid/late 94, the
 factory changed the old LT77 tranny out for the new R380 unit. The way
 to tell which you have is, where is Reverse. Left and forward is the old
 LT77. Right and back is the new model. The R380 is a much stronger, and
 easier to work on tranny, offering synchromesh on reverse for the first
 time.This has actually led to some cute scenarios, like downshifting from 5th
 and putting it in reverse instead of 4th. It's been done, and I'll leave
 the details/results to your imagination. The R380 was originally filled
 with good ole hypoid 90w, but it was found to shift much smoother, particularly
 in cold weather, with ATF in the box. Hence the changeover, ATF is a much
 finer lubricant.
 
 I guess I figured that ATF had some magical properties that
 weren't needed or wanted in a manual box (I mean, my gawd!  The stuff is
 red!).
 
Jeff Gauvin
 '94 D90 "Dinosaur Safe"
*************************************************************

Rgds
Mike Fredette

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:57:10 -0500
From: RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN)
Subject: Disco problems

         Grant,

            Just a note to let you know you are not alone.
         We bought our 90 RR in Nov. 94 and have had to put
         a ton of money into it.' the money pit 'as we call
         her is now requiring brake rotors and pads all
         around.
            Have been looking for a replacement vehicle but
         everything is either not up to the quality we want
         or the dealers don't want to deal or prices are too
         high.
            I have some advice. I had to write a letter to
         Mr. Hughes (Pres. LRNA) to get satisfaction on a
         corrosion warranty claim and it worked. LR fixed
         the problem. You might try this route and see what
         happens.
            If you need more info let me know.

                                     Regards,
                                        Rick

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:57:12 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

Mike writes,

>WHERE, EXACTLY, are these lower gears going to come from?
>Land Rover doesn't make em, neither do any of the gear/tranny outfits in the
>magazines. 

Well, a LR mechanic in my area has successfully installed (in a 94' D90) a
set of Series III ring and pinon gears with a ratio of 4.70:1.  The axles
are equipped with ARB's front and rear.  He did say that he had to get
shimms for proper pinnon depth/ring engagement from ARB however.  When I get
the LR part # I'll let ya know.  Personally I feel that with the stock trans
and T-case ratios in the NAS D90 and the 4.70:1 gears the "streetability"
will suffer.  I don't have my calculator with me, but I would guess that the
compound low range would be in the 65 to 70:1 arena.  Great for rock
crawling, but not for street. I'll calculate the final drive ratios and post
them with the LR part #'s when I get them.  

>Big tires and lower gears are not the answer, All of which have nothing to do 
>WHATSOEVER with enhanced off-road ability. 

I disagree, I would like to run 33"'s on my rig with lower gears.  Increases
in wheel travel as well as diff. clearances will be enhanced, assuming you
have proper wheel/sheetmetal clearances.  If you notice most hard-core
rock-crawlers (CJ's primarily) are running 35"'s, automatic trans, and
finnal compound low ratios in the neighborhood of 80:1.  I feel that a good
compromise between "trail only" and "streetability" would be 33"'s and a
finnal drive ratio of 50 to 60:1.  I guess it all depends on what your
intentions are for the use of your individual vehicles. The D90 is a
wonderful "right out of the box" true off- roader, but if you are going to
regularly wheel' on more extreme trails, a few well thought out
modifications can enhance you fun and vehicle longevity.

Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg, D90 Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:29:15 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: RE: Lights

At 05:05 PM 3/25/96 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote:
>> 1. Replace stock 60/55W H4 bulbs with 100/80W H4 bulbs (Hella's, although I
>> dont think the bulbs themselves make that much difference)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>> dont think the bulbs themselves make that much difference)
>Is this the headlight you are replacing the bulbs ?

Bulbs. NAS disco headlamps have H-4 bulbs, which are replaceable with higher
wattage versions. Round headlamps (in their entirety), like those on D90's
and D110's are usually replaceable with aftermarket alternatives.

- Paul.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:29:19 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: RE: Lights

At 05:05 PM 3/25/96 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote:

>I would like a shematic/directions for wiring lights to the high 
>beams

I plan on just probing around with a volt-meter and/or see if I can get a
switched high beam circiut under the dash or near the fuse box. Worst case,
I'll tap in to the actual headlamp connector and run it back through the
firewall.

Since I am only driving a relay and not the aux. lights themselves, I don't
have to worry about current draw.

Now if anyone HAS the schematics with color codes...

- Paul.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:12:12 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report

> The R380 is a much stronger, and easier to work on tranny, offering
>synchromesh on reverse for the first...

Really? I heard that the LT77 was the stronger/easier to work on trans.
Also, has anyone learned of a successful manual to automatic NAS D90 trans swap?

Doug

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:15:29 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

Mike writes,

>WHERE, EXACTLY, are these lower gears going to come from?
>Land Rover doesn't make em, neither do any of the gear/tranny outfits in the
>magazines. 

Well, a LR mechanic in my area has successfully installed (in a 94' D90) a
set of Series III ring and pinon gears with a ratio of 4.70:1.  The axles
are equipped with ARB's front and rear.  He did say that he had to get
shimms for proper pinnon depth/ring engagement from ARB however.  When I get
the LR part # I'll let ya know.  Personally I feel that with the stock trans
and T-case ratios in the NAS D90 and the 4.70:1 gears the "streetability"
will suffer.  I don't have my calculator with me, but I would guess that the
compound low range would be in the 65 to 70:1 arena.  Great for rock
crawling, but not for street. I'll calculate the final drive ratios and post
them with the LR part #'s when I get them.  

>Big tires and lower gears are not the answer, All of which have nothing to do 
>WHATSOEVER with enhanced off-road ability. 

I disagree, I would like to run 33"'s on my rig with lower gears.  Increases
in wheel travel as well as diff. clearances will be enhanced, assuming you
have proper wheel/sheetmetal clearances.  If you notice most hard-core
rock-crawlers (CJ's primarily) are running 35"'s, automatic trans, and
finnal compound low ratios in the neighborhood of 80:1.  I feel that a good
compromise between "trail only" and "streetability" would be 33"'s and a
finnal drive ratio of 50 to 60:1.  I guess it all depends on what your
intentions are for the use of your individual vehicles. The D90 is a
wonderful "right out of the box" true off- roader, but if you are going to
regularly wheel' on more extreme trails, a few well thought out
modifications can enhance you fun and vehicle longevity.

Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg, D90 Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:41:39 -0500
From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
Subject:  Re:  Rubicon Trail

I have seen a number of messages referring to the Rubicon Trail.  It
sounds like its quite a challenge.  Can someone tell me what part of the
U.S. its in?  My guess is the Northwest.

Sanjay Prasad
'90 RR
Boston, MA

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:37:20 -0500
From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
Subject:  re:D90 Speedo problem -Reply

I have had similar concerns with my '90 Range Rover, but have never
taken the time to do anything about it.  What I have noticed is that
sometimes the speedo shows 80-85 and I am going no faster than
anyone else.  I would have looked into it earlier, but, living in
Massachusetts, I am inclined to believe the speedo.  I do think though that
it doesn't react well to changes in speed.

Sanjay Prasad
Boston, MA

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:43:27 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

Mike writes,

>WHERE, EXACTLY, are these lower gears going to come from?
>Land Rover doesn't make em, neither do any of the gear/tranny outfits in the
>magazines. 

Well, a LR mechanic in my area has successfully installed (in a 94' D90) a
set of Series III ring and pinon gears with a ratio of 4.70:1.  The axles
are equipped with ARB's front and rear.  He did say that he had to get
shimms for proper pinnon depth/ring engagement from ARB however.  When I get
the LR part # I'll let ya know.  Personally I feel that with the stock trans
and T-case ratios in the NAS D90 and the 4.70:1 gears the "streetability"
will suffer.  I don't have my calculator with me, but I would guess that the
compound low range would be in the 65 to 70:1 arena.  Great for rock
crawling, but not for street. I'll calculate the final drive ratios and post
them with the LR part #'s when I get them.  

>Big tires and lower gears are not the answer, All of which have nothing to do 
>WHATSOEVER with enhanced off-road ability. 

I disagree, I would like to run 33"'s on my rig with lower gears.  Increases
in wheel travel as well as diff. clearances will be enhanced, assuming you
have proper wheel/sheetmetal clearances.  If you notice most hard-core
rock-crawlers (CJ's primarily) are running 35"'s, automatic trans, and
finnal compound low ratios in the neighborhood of 80:1.  I feel that a good
compromise between "trail only" and "streetability" would be 33"'s and a
finnal drive ratio of 50 to 60:1.  I guess it all depends on what your
intentions are for the use of your individual vehicles. The D90 is a
wonderful "right out of the box" true off- roader, but if you are going to
regularly wheel' on more extreme trails, a few well thought out
modifications can enhance you fun and vehicle longevity.

Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg, D90 Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:44:08 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report

> The R380 is a much stronger, and easier to work on tranny, offering
>synchromesh on reverse for the first...

Really? I heard that the LT77 was the stronger/easier to work on trans.
Also, has anyone learned of a successful manual to automatic NAS D90 trans swap?

Doug

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Date: 26 Mar 96 14:39:53 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: D90 Service Report

     

     _
 snip
     
The R380 is a much stronger,

        I wonder why the r380 has developed a real history or unreliability 
and breaking right out of the box or should I say showroom.
regards
Chris Browne
95 disco (automatic) 

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 11:54:39 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

>Rick writes,
>                                                    I'm going to complain
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Rgds
>Mike Fredette
>Portland, Or. D90
Because.  I was thinking 265/75R16's to 285/75R16's (I think I got these 
#'s right).  Changing the gears to keep the overall ratios about the same.  
:71 gears can be LR (Series, not sure which models.)
Don't think I'd go that low.  Probably 4:11's which are available aftermarket. 
Maybe not readily available but they are out there.  I belive KAM in England
offers parts to do a complete diff out (axle, etc) upgrade.   A Salisbury 
is also a upgrade path.

Don't think I said anything about a lift.  Don't plan on one.  It would 
probably take 4"+ of lift to move the CG of a convertible D90 to anywhere
near that of a Disco anyway.   I'd guess I'll be at most 1" higher after
the tire swap anyway.

Anyway, will be on Rubicon over Memorial Day weekend.  Haven't had a 
chance to run it before.  Will be interesting to see how I do.
No, I don't expect there to be any problems with the D90 as it is.

Mostly agree with every thing you said.  Personally believe that a 
driver only can lower the competence of a given vehicle.  I know I don't
always get as much out of the D90 as it can give.  I also know that it
is not the ultimate vehicle offroad stock.  It is very, very good.  
However the current D90 sway bar thread suggests at least one area in 
which LR compromised off-road ability for other attributes.  There are
others.  The thin aluminum side sills, off idle torque is bit lower
than I'd expect out of an V8.  LRO said the TDI does better in their 
direct comparison.  A stock coil RR (Classic) and the Disco both have better
axle articulation than a stock D90.  I believe this is due to softer,
progressive springs.  I haven't seen a air suspended RR offroad yet.  I'd 
guess it does better too.   I also realize that correct modification
often means more than one part.  Gears/tires may changes may require 
upgraded axles.  I try to consider such issues before I start in.  

My D90 was bought to be driven off road.  I feel there is nothing wrong
with "fixing" some of the compromises LR made in creating the NAS D90 to
make it better suited to my purpose.  I try to do so only after much thought.
I'd like more tire area to deal with the dusty, loose trails, I 
encounter in CA.  I'd like a lower gear ratio to allow slower travel in 
extreme rock crawling conditions.  Both desires come from my experience in
my D90.  Not glossy pictures in a magazine.  
  
-Rick

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:11:13 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re:  Rubicon Trail

>I have seen a number of messages referring to the Rubicon Trail.  It
>sounds like its quite a challenge.  Can someone tell me what part of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>'90 RR
>Boston, MA

Yea! It's a great challenge!  It's located in N. California just North of
Placerville.  (Above Sacramento).  Check the Internet search engines under
"4X4 Trails".  It has some detailed trail descriptions about the Rubicon and
the upcomming Rubithon.

Happy Trails,

Doug 
>I have seen a number of messages referring to the Rubicon Trail.  It
>sounds like its quite a challenge.  Can someone tell me what part of the

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:15:56 +0000
Subject:       Re: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans

Funny you should mention that! yesterday I was out measuring the 
tires and roof line for just such a rack ( on a Disco ).

My requirements are that I fit this Exactly sized, smallish rack way 
up front so I can have room for my car top tent on the back part of 
the roof. This will allow me to distribute the weight of my tools in 
the back with the stuff on the top, although top heaviness becomes an 
issue to be reckoned with, also being able to mount a few Hella's up 
there would be nice ( without illuminating the gas in the gerry cans! 

any suggetsions! ( rack length not to exceed 32-33" )

Tomw

> The best solution we've seen so far is a partial rack over the front (clamped
> to the roll bars over the front doors), and the NATO cans strapped
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> done (he has a brilliant clamp designed, superior to anything else out
> there).
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:19:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Rubicon Trail

On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Sanjay Prasad wrote:

> I have seen a number of messages referring to the Rubicon Trail.  It
> sounds like its quite a challenge.  Can someone tell me what part of the
> U.S. its in?  My guess is the Northwest.

The Rubicon Trail is in the central Sierra Nevada, east of Sacramento, 
California.

Rgds,         * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:19:33 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

 
 Mike writes,
 
 >WHERE, EXACTLY, are these lower gears going to come from?
 >Land Rover doesn't make em, neither do any of the gear/tranny outfits in the
 >magazines. 
 
 Well, a LR mechanic in my area has successfully installed (in a 94' D90) a
 set of Series III ring and pinon gears with a ratio of 4.70:1.  The axles
 are equipped with ARB's front and rear.  He did say that he had to get
 shimms for proper pinnon depth/ring engagement from ARB however.  When I get
 the LR part # I'll let ya know.  Personally I feel that with the stock trans
 and T-case ratios in the NAS D90 and the 4.70:1 gears the "streetability"
 will suffer.  I don't have my calculator with me, but I would guess that the
 compound low range would be in the 65 to 70:1 arena.  Great for rock
 crawling, but not for street. I'll calculate the final drive ratios and post
 them with the LR part #'s when I get them.  
 
 >Big tires and lower gears are not the answer, All of which have nothing to do 
 >WHATSOEVER with enhanced off-road ability. 
 
 I disagree, I would like to run 33"'s on my rig with lower gears.  Increases
 in wheel travel as well as diff. clearances will be enhanced, assuming you
 have proper wheel/sheetmetal clearances.  If you notice most hard-core
 rock-crawlers (CJ's primarily) are running 35"'s, automatic trans, and
 finnal compound low ratios in the neighborhood of 80:1.  I feel that a good
 compromise between "trail only" and "streetability" would be 33"'s and a
 finnal drive ratio of 50 to 60:1.  I guess it all depends on what your
 intentions are for the use of your individual vehicles. The D90 is a
 wonderful "right out of the box" true off- roader, but if you are going to
 regularly wheel' on more extreme trails, a few well thought out
 modifications can enhance you fun and vehicle longevity.
 
 Happy Trails!
 
 Doug Marbourg, D90 Santa Fe, NM
 marbourg@lanl.gov
********************************************************************************
 Heh heh heh,

 The really funny thing about your first paragraph is that one of the more
 common mods for the Series trucks is to put in a Chevy 6, and change the 4.7
 diffs out for Range Rover 3.54s to get better streetability. I wish you luck
 on your conversion, but the Ser lll gears were made for a 2.25l four, not the
 power/torque of the V8. You will indeed see a big change in final drive ratios
 as you say, just hope the gears stay in one piece when serious crawling. I also
 wonder about the spline count, I thought the V8 front half shafts and rear axles
 had a finer pitch, ie more splines than the Series trucks. Could be wrong though.
	As to your second paragraph, well let's see. The stock tires are 31", and
 you want 33's and lower gears. You gain 2" in diameter, yielding 1" in increased 
 diff clearance. You state that you get more wheel travel....uh....HOW. With the
 increase in tire diameter, the tire WILL rub the sheet metal on the compression
 stroke sooner, ie before your coils bind or the bump stop is reached. On the extension
 stroke, the axle will stop at the same spot it always has, limited first by the 
 shock absorber, then the coil spring, and finally the brake lines :-o The increase
 in tire diameter helps here, since it reaches down 1" farther, therefore staying
 in contact with traction longer. The net of this whole exercise is a big goose egg
 as far as increased suspension travel is concerned though. The J**Ps running 35's
 usually have to cut some sheet metal or add shackle extensions to the springs to
 achieve this.
	Finally, what does all this conversion stuff cost? Hundreds, plus the time in 
 the shop, plus the voided warranty on the modified diffs. Etc. Ad Nauseum. All for
 1 LOUSY INCH in diff clearance! Good driving will take that out of the equation
 99% of the time, the other 1% is what winches are for. Now those lockers ARE going
 to make a BIG diffence, but why change the diff ratios when ARB makes lockers for
 the stock diffs. The rock crawling is a legit concern, but I've been on the 4+ trails
 at Moab with stock diffs, no lockers, and no problems getting around. Again, it's 
 different horses for different courses, my truck is my only car, so streetability 
 is the prime motivator.

 Rgds
 Mike Fredette

 

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:40:13 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re:  Rubicon Trail

Just west of Lake Tahoe in N. California.  It is supposed to
be one of the most difficult 4x4 trails.  Of course there is always a more 
difficult trail... Difficulty also changes depending on the time of year. 
Early Spring, right after/during the snow melt being the worst. 

Rumor has it right after the Jeep Jamboree it is easiest as the Jeepers
have to "fix" the trial to get all the Jeeps through.

-Rick

>From Prasad@ba-iplaw.com Tue Mar 26 12:21:14 1996
>Return-Path: <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>'90 RR
>Boston, MA

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 14:05:33 MST

I somehow missed the original question, but I can still add to the
discussion.  Even as I write this I'm looking out the window at a yellow
D90 (not mine - it's on the other side of the building) with two jerry
cans and a hi-lift jack where the spare tire used to be on some kind of
custom (?)  mount.  Where is the spare?  On the bonnet of course!  Seems
like a clever solution:  keeps the C/G nice and low, and somehow it just
looks so...Roverish!  Maybe we can ask a Series guy if it's possible to
see over the tire :-)

So, where does one get a "kit" to mount the spare on the bonnet?  I
don't recall seeing one in Rovers North.  Guess I could leave a note on
this guys window; it seems to be parked there fairly regularly
(especially on days when there is snow -- like this morning).

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:06:09 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Big tire/lower gears

> Heh heh heh,

Michael,

Maby I should preface that, with a mild lift,  via Old Man Emu springs and
long travel shocks (currently installed on my vehicle), the 33"'s (not
installed on my vehicle) should be fine in the areas of sheetmetal
clearences.  I haven't talked with anyone who's currently running 33"s with
stock gears however. Does anyone have, or know of, someone who is/has?  
Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: 26 Mar 96 16:36:36 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: D90 Big tire/lower gears

     Rick and Co:
     
        Hang on 265/75 16 to 235/85 16-
        I could be wrong but there is only 0.08inches difference in diameter    
          between these two and the 235/85 wins. 
        also 235/86 16 is metric equivalent of 7.5r16 which is 
        a standard LR Tire
        Hoping I don't get burnt if I am pumping out trash!
        regards
        Chris Browne
        95 disco

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:59:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: D90 Big tire/lower gears

>      Rick and Co:
>         Hang on 265/75 16 to 235/85 16-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>         regards
>         Chris Browne
>         95 disco

Find out for sure at http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi    good info if 
tire shopping or trying to get the correct speedo reading. 

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:56:03 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans

>I somehow missed the original question, but I can still add to the
>discussion.  Even as I write this I'm looking out the window at a yellow
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>Jeff Gauvin
>'94 D90

Greetings,

I have recently fabricated a Hi-lift/jerry can/c.b. antenna "carrier"
(simmilar to some spare tire ski racks I've seen) on my D90, and it has a
very clean look. The design is really simple.  First I cut a piece of 3/8"
steel in a triangle that just overlaps the three lugs for the spare, and
drilled 3 holes to accommodate the spares' lugs.  I then welded a 2.5" x 1"
x 3/4" female lug to the center of the plate. This enables the spare to be
mounted uninhibited by the plate/lug, and with the plastic center on the
spare is removed, gives access to the new "center" lug.  Then, utilizing a
3/4" x 3" bolt, I passed through one of the center holes on the Hi-lift.
Once the bolt is tightened, the ends of the Hi-lift press against the
sidewalls of the tire and secures very well.  With this concept I've added a
jerry can and c.b. antena mount with the same principle.  When I'm not on
the trail, the whole unit disasembles in about 30 seconds and the plastic
center spare cap can be repalced leaving the new "receiver" in place for
future use. I don't think the extra weight will be a problem with only one
jerry can, but two cans plus a Hi-lift might stress the spare assembly
mounting points.

Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov
Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Bonnet Mount Spare
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 18:22:00 EST

I remember reading that Rovers North did have kits to mount a spare to the 
bonnet.  I read it on some guy's web page--the guy with a 93 D110 where he 
has posted pictures of it on his page.  He mounted a spare to his, and he 
noted how much cheaper the Rovers North price was over his dealer's 
estimate.  I don't recall his http address.

I've taken my spare off to clean and repaint the mounting posts on the tire 
carrier (NOTE: they do get rusty), and that spare weighs a ton!  Its hard 
for me to imagine putting that on the hood and actually getting it off again 
without busting my gut and denting every piece of body work up front.  You 
can  call me whimpy, but why carry a spare if you can't get to it?

Rich Ruffer
Morristown NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:00:24 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: D90 Bonnet Mount Spare

Richard Ruffer wrote:

> I remember reading that Rovers North did have kits to mount a spare to the
> bonnet.  I read it on some guy's web page--the guy with a 93 D110 where he
> has posted pictures of it on his page.

This might be it:

http://www.billwood.com/u7.htm

I think Bill was, at least, on the LRO list, and might be on this list now. Cool page, Bill!

-- 
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:27:20 -0800
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Speedo problem

Lee Zeltzer wrote:
> Well my D90SW is off by 5%....

Yep - My '96 Disco is off by about the same amount.  It reads 5 MPH fast 
at 70-75 indicated.  Oh well.... (I figure thats about the same response 
I would get from LRNA if I complained...)

---------------------------###-----------------------------
PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA
Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
847-696-2828  FAX: 847-698-2045  e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
---------------------------###-----------------------------

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Subject: lighting...
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:42:30 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi Paul,

	My preference would be to run  55/100 bulbs in the head lamps and
wire the fogs to be useful with 'run and parking lamps', but, out of 
curiosity, where is your source for the 'improved' h9004 bulb units ?

	Of course, if I've got something to say about lighting, I've
undoubtedly  already said it and written it down: qv:

        http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/lighting.faq.html
     http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/lr/lighting.faq.html

So, I'll save some typing and not do it again.

    Cheers,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/
   R  1  3  2wd  H		  D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2	    because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: rruffer@interserv.com
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:10:31 -0800
Subject: D90 Bonnet Spare Mount

Richard Ruffer wrote:

> I remember reading that Rovers North did have kits to mount a spare to the
> bonnet.  I read it on some guy's web page--the guy with a 93 D110 where he
> has posted pictures of it on his page.

Christopher Boese replied:

>>This might be it:

>>http://www.billwood.com/u7.htm

>>I think Bill was, at least, on the LRO list, and might be on this list now. 
>>Cool page, Bill!

That's the page.  Good looking D110 and really interesting pictures from 
Darjeeling.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com

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Subject: I-Dent-A-Rover
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:47:49 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	A friend of mine needed a project for one of his computer classes.
Somehow we came up with I-Dent-A-Rover.  This program asks you a series of
questions (by showing you some photos).  Based on your answers, the program
decidess which kind of Land Rover you are looking at (or thinking of). 
This program doesn't have preset paths. It is generating all of the in between
web pages on the fly.  A handy "Don't know" button allows you to skip questions.

	Right now the program will differentiate between: 
Early 80"
Mid 80"
Late 80"
86"
SI 88"
SII
Early SIIA
Early SIIA Military Air Portable (Lightweight)
Transitional SIIA (aka the Bugeye)
Late SIIA Military Air Portable (Lightweight)
Late SIIA
SIII 
SIII Military Lightweight
Stage I (SIII 109" V8)
Coil Spung Land Rover 90/110/130 & Defender 90/110/130

	(Of course LWB being a stretched SWB)

	No Rangies, Discos or Forward Controls at this time.  When we
figure out how to get the program not to ask unnecessary questions, then we
will add more questions and make I-Dent-A-Range-Rover, etc.  So consider the 
program to be version 1.0.

	Most of the credit goes to Jan Barglowski (jan@vislab.navy.mil)  he
did all of the programming.  I was only an idea man, a photo scanner and
writer of the final web pages.

	So for your Web browsing enjoyment, the RoverWeb presents:

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/IDAR/

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Re: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:53:13 +-100

>I somehow missed the original question, but I can still add to the
>discussion.  Even as I write this I'm looking out the window at a =
yellow
>D90 (not mine - it's on the other side of the building) with two jerry
>cans and a hi-lift jack where the spare tire used to be on some kind of
>custom (?)  mount.  Where is the spare?  On the bonnet of course!  =
Seems
>like a clever solution:  keeps the C/G nice and low, and somehow it =
just
>looks so...Roverish!  Maybe we can ask a Series guy if it's possible to
>see over the tire :-)
Of cause You can see over the spare wheel on the bonnet, BUT it
takes a little, so that you have to think a little more ahead. Normally
for me, without the spare wheel I have about 7 feet of road that I can't =

see in front of the 110". With the spare whee=E6 on the bonnet, it is 11 =
feet.
I am 6 feet 3 inch, my wife can not see anything with the that spare, =
she is
5 feet 6 inch.
I still think it is the best place, it makes it easier to have the =
childrens bikes
mounted on the rear door, it looks more roverish, it "LOOKS like a =
heavier
truck, and theirfore other drivers keep distance in the trafic and in =
parking
areas.

To test if YOU can live with it: Find a flat area, park the car with a =
lot of
space in front of you. Place orange cones on the road in front of the =
car with
one foot between them, or use peace's of coloured wood, stones or =
anything
you have. Take seat as you where driving, notice how many marks that are =

hidden. Get out, remove your spare wheel from the rear door and place it =
on
the bonnet, Get in again, and see the difference, how many marks are
hidden now ????
>So, where does one get a "kit" to mount the spare on the bonnet?  I
>don't recall seeing one in Rovers North.  Guess I could leave a note on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>this guys window; it seems to be parked there fairly regularly
>(especially on days when there is snow -- like this morning).
DIY: Mine is not on an official spare wheel carrier on the bonnet. I had =
a close
look at a 88" lightweight, and then I placed 3 pieces of rubber on the =
bonnet,
Each 2 x 4 inch, 1/2" thick. They have to support the spare wheel, Then =
I bought
10 feet of 'webbing', the kind that is used for safety belts, and fixed =
that to the
bonnet.
The rubber is fixed with epoxy glue, and for the webbing, I found some =
fixings
in a Yacht equipment shop.
Find a good picture of  an lightweight, and get creative. It cost me =
what is
comparable to $20US.

Best regards

Bent

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:13:50 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: RR a/c compressor

I asked Rover's North if they had a repair kit for the airconditioner
compressor, ETC7994, for an '89 rangie and was told no such thing exists.
Same response from a dealer.

The compressor is manufactured by Sanden and I know those guys make/sell
repair/overhaul kits for their other compressors.  Problem is the Sanden 709
is not carried in my country.  Do you know if such a kit exists and where?

See ya........

Oscar
'89 NAS RR
it does go off-road!!!

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From: Matthew Loxton <matthewl@dinet.co.za>
Subject: Light protectors
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:27:42 +-200

Firstly, my Rangie acquisition is on hold with the countdown stuck at =
two weeks until after the easter holiday. The workshop can't start on =
fitting new engine etc. until then. <mutter, mutter..>

Has anybody used those flat section light-guards, and are they =
successful? They look fairly sturdy, but then...

Cheers
Matthew "pass the kleenex"
ZA
matthewl@dinet.co.za

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 7:20:08 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans

Jeff,
Rovers North sells the bonnet kit. But usually it's a 7.5" tire up there. 
A NAS D90 tire, BFG 265/75R/16 is 10.7"! As far as the rack on the tail of 
that yellow D90 goes.....FIND OUT EVERYTHING PLEASE!!!!!

Cheers,
Barnett
Need more boltin' places
Childress

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:50:10 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: '89 RR steering box

The seals on the steering box were replaced as the box was leaking.  Leaks
disappeared for a couple of weeks.  Now leaking again........  What went
wrong?  Or is this something we've to live with?  Am I better off buying a
new one or how's a remanufactured one?

Are frustrating questions part of owning an lr product?

Oscar
'89 NAS RR
it does go off-road!!!

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:52:01 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Speedo problem

Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote:
> Lee Zeltzer wrote:
> > Well my D90SW is off by 5%....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> 847-696-2828  FAX: 847-698-2045  e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
> ---------------------------###-----------------------------

I am beginning to think a letter to LRNA with sa few names on it might 
be appropriate. I'll write a text this weekend, post it to the list and 
see how many email email signatures we can collect over the list to 
attach to the letter.
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:10:43 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report

In a message dated 96-03-26 14:23:08 EST, you write:

>Also, has anyone learned of a successful manual to automatic NAS D90 trans
>swap?
>Doug

Ya, I did this one.  The 4 speed auto w/locking converter from the last model
year Corvette is a direct bolt in, I just had to re thread the ujoints for
standard threads.  I didn't like it so I put back in the original 5 speed.
 It was a real hassle fitting my manual 5 speed into the Corvette however,
the shifter came through the seat between the passenger's legs, that one
required upholsstery work.  

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:10:43 -0500
Subject: Re: New Defender catalog

Defenderers:  found this on the west coast list, might be interesting for
you.
John, madison wisconsin
Their email is britpac@aol.com
=========================================
>Hot off the press, the most complete Defender 90/110 catalog in the country!
>Accessories, off-road equipment, and service parts for all US models.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Call 800 554-4133 or e-mail us if you want one.
>Steve/BRITPAC 
===========================================

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:11:07 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 bonnet mounted spare

In a message dated 96-03-26 16:17:44 EST, you write:

>So, where does one get a "kit" to mount the spare on the bonnet?  I
>don't recall seeing one in Rovers North.  Guess I could leave a note on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Jeff Gauvin
>'94 D90

******************************

Jeff, there is an exact duplicate of this thread running in the parallel
universe of the space time continuum...on the west coast list, you know,
where all this space time contiuum meets the pavement.  I will try to gather
up a few pertinent notes and ship 'em off your way.  But main points are the
kit from RN is not cheap, it will fit only the steel rims, not the NAS D90
cool ones, you'd have to modigy the rack.   It blocks your vision straight
out front, making parking at the movie theater rather difficult.   (I know, I
know, we "never" do something THAT mundane in out Defenders, I mean, just
yesterday I saved the modern world from complete disaster by pulling a VW bug
outta the ditch...I can't wait till boating season, I'm gonna make a fortune
pulling boats out of the water after their bilges get full and the 1989 Town
and Country Squires that put 'em in can't get 'em out!)  

Possibly you need a recessed hood?? I aint sure on this one.  

John, D90 with the mundane spare on teh back rack...ho hum.  

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:11:13 -0500
Subject: Re: 95 D90 Tail Light Failure

In a message dated 96-03-26 12:28:50 EST, you write:

>--
>Jeff Gauvin
>'94 D90, where the tail lamps are the driest part of the vehicle...

You said a mouthful!!  .......of water......

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:10:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 94' NAS D90 Backlash

In a message dated 96-03-26 12:59:00 EST, you write:

>My D90's v-v-i-i-i-b-b-b-r-r-a-a-a-t-t-t-i-i-o-o-o-n-n-n-n happens closer
>to 47-53 MPH.

Yup, that is exactly where I have the only non-normal vibration I feel.  I
claim it is tyre balance, the dealer claims it is normal... and only Barnett
has truly given us the pathway to the answer...  get 'em balanced at the
local goodrich dealer!

Also Doug, my Defender has that natural clunky clunk too, all Series have it,
all Lightweights have it, all Rover cars have it, and now that BMW bought
Rover Group, all BMWs have it too.  

John
Defenderstylebratwurstandcheeseintheheartland...goodthingforthemicrobeerhereor
i'dbeanutcase...

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:11:13 -0500
Subject: Re: notes from west list...bonnet mounted spare

Here are a few notes from the other list regarding the bonnet mounted spare
deal.  I left all the headers for proper identification of statements.  Hope
I aint committin' no sin agin' nature by reposting like this.  Please flame
me to email:  rro@playground.sun.com
  :>)
John P.
94 D90
ps:  the note order is backwards, so read it all the way thru.

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Subj:	Jerrycan holders
Date:	96-03-26 14:20:25 EST
From:	BRITPAC@aol.com
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	Viperhead@aol.com
CC:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us

We have confirmed that a standard metal can holder will accomodate the can,
what we are waiting for is the locking metal strap. It might not work due to
the raised spout. It does work with the cloth strap. This unit bolts directly
to the vehicle. We will have it available for those of you who can't find one
locally. We'll notify the list when the locking metal strap gets here if
it'll work. 

Where you bolt it is your call.

Steve/BRITPAC
================================================================

Subj:	Fwd: D90 Gas Cans
Date:	96-03-26 13:56:57 EST
From:	BRITPAC@aol.com
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	KKelly6788@aol.com
CC:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us

The big problem with mounting the spare on the hood (other than the cost of
the hardware and the recessed hood) is that it obstructs the vision directly
in front of the truck, making certain off road (and parking lot) tasks a bit
more exciting.

The best solution we've seen so far is a partial rack over the front (clamped
to the roll bars over the front doors), and the NATO cans strapped
horizontally at each side. I'm standing on our rack guy to get those things
done (he has a brilliant clamp designed, superior to anything else out
there).

Steve/BRITPAC
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:	KKelly6788@AOL.COM
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
CC:	Viperhead@AOL.COM
Date: 96-03-25 22:08:21 EST

>I just got two NATO cans from Steve, I'll size them up whenever I find the
>tape measurer. They are sturdily constructed and have a good sealing
>mechanism. Has anyone thought of a way to mount one to the back of a D90?

Why not put the spare on the hood and make room for the cans on the back?

Assuming the D90 acts more like the Range Rover (that depreciates in value)
than the D110 (that appreciates in value) I hope to buy one in a couple
years.  When I do I am going to put the spare on the hood and the gas cans on
the back.

Kevin Kelly

===================================================================

> Hot off the press, the most complete Defender 90/110 catalog in the
country!
> Accessories, off-road equipment, and service parts for all US models.
> Includes a listing of interchangability with other models of Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Call 800 554-4133 or e-mail us if you want one.
> Steve/BRITPAC 
==================================================================

Subj:	D90 Bonnet spare caution
Date:	96-03-26 12:17:15 EST
From:	BOBMARLE@aol.com
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us

I forgot to mention that I also put steel wheels on my 90 and the bonnet
mounted spare wheel carrier is made to accept steel wheels, NOT the US spec
alloys.

If you have access to a metal bender and welding equipment, you'd only need
to make a custom securing ring to fit the alloy.  This is the piece that
holds the wheel in place and is secured by two bolts.  The center hole on the
steel wheels is much larger than that of the alloys, and this is what the
securing ring needs to fit through.

  You can get the steel wheels from any of your LR Parts specialists.  The
110 16X7.5 steel wheels will fit the same BF tires so you could just swap
your spare tire.  They come primered in a semi gloss black but can be painted
or powder coated to your preference.  Also be sure to get the lug nuts when
you order your steel wheel as they are'nt the same as the lug nuts for the
alloy wheels.

Good Luck

Tim
SCLR

==================================================================

Subj:	Re: D90 Gas Cans/bonnet mounted spare.
Date:	96-03-26 11:39:00 EST
From:	BOBMARLE@aol.com
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us

John,

  Defender spare wheel carrier for the bonnet is different from the Series
Rover but just as eay to install.(once you drill the first hole, the other 10
or so are easy)
  I ordered mine from Rovers North(not cheap) and installed myself.

  The BFG mud terrains are pretty tall on the hood, and it takes some getting
use to.

  Dave's gas can mount is very nice, and with a new Britsh/NATO jerry can,
fumes won't be a problem.  If you do find some good tail gate external mounts
for the cans, please let me know.

Ive installed two of the bonnet mounted spare wheel carriers with no
problems.  A good friend Gil has an Orange D90 and I think its on our SCLR
home page somewhere.

Tim
SCLR
1971 Series IIa
1994 D90
=================================================================

tthhaaaaaaaaaat's all folks........

John P.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:24:01 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Fwd: D90 Gas Cans

Jeff Gauvin writes

Snip
>D90 (not mine - it's on the other side of the building) with two jerry
>cans and a hi-lift jack where the spare tire used to be on some kind of
Snip

No way would I mount gas cans (diesel maybe) on the outside of my 
vehicle, especially not in the rear where I'd have little control 
over someone rear ending me. Unless of course I was feeling suicidal.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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