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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:07:26 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Britpac?
British Pacific is in Burbank, California and has been around for a number
of years. Its e-mail address is BRITPAC@aol.com.
Their phone number for orders is (800) 554-4133.
Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California
At 09:25 28.03.96 EST, David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield
wrote:
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>Dave McCormack
>95 Disco
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Date: 28 Mar 96 10:24:35 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point
Dave no do not use the wimpy little loop as a recovery point-it will
break as many people have discovered including one car magazine
when it goes, so does your spoiler etc
While I initially put a LR military hitch on to mine I have decided
that this is no good for the front due it its location , the only real
solution that I see is to buy the RN front receiver adapter ($200)
plus recovery adapter
RN 802 879 0032. This is a bolt on accessory that is access through
the center mouth of the spoiler
Regards
Chris Browne
95 disco Winchless in Mass
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:16:38 -0800
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Jeremy Clarkson, Sunday Times 24/03/96 (fwd)
At 9:46 PM 3/27/96 -0500, Shaun Carrigan wrote:
>re the U.K. report on "big jeep" superiority.
>Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with taking a
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>Shaun Carrigan
>'88 RR
Yes, after my JGC was stolen I bought the D90. The JGC is very good off-road.
It doesn't have the suspension travel of the coil spring LR's but
relative to everything else it is very good. Clearance is good if you
buy the off-road package. Much better engines. They seem to have made
the drivetrain more serious this year too. (Actually conceeded the need
for a center diff lock with the V8) Definitely not has heavy duty as a
LR but overall a very good design. Very good on the road. I bought
the D90 because I wanted a convertible and a short wheel base.
I much prefer the LR dealers to any of the Jeep dealers I've come in
contact with.
As far as quality, I've owned 3 new Jeeps. A Cherokee, Wrangler and
the Grand Cherokee. So far I'd rate the quality of the Cherokees equal to
my D90. The Wrangler was a joke. I dumped the Wranger after 9 months.
I had good luck with both the the Cherokees. I've heard horror stories too.
(Just like Disco's Jeep cranked up JGC production too fast as demand soared.)
I'd be hard pressed to make a Discovery vs Grand Cherokee decision. The
big V8 in the Cherokee is really good. It would be tough to pass up. The
Disco has a shorter wheelbase and is a LR. It seems a bit more biased
to serious off road use. Much would depend on my ownership time frame.
More than 3 years and the heavier built LR would win. By then all the little
things would have been sorted out under warranty and the Jeep would be
starting to wear. ( I noticed a significant loosening up the unibody JGC
in the year I had it.... )
-Rick
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:31:11 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Disco tow hooks
Dave writes regarding tow points:
"On my 95 Disco there is a tow point attached to the left chassis
horn. It is a loop of steel and is bolted to the end of the horn
(using the same bolts as the bumper) and extends through an
opening in the air dam, presumably for easy access, not to be
confused with two tie down loops welded to each side of the frame"
I've also wondered about the strength of these. RN sells replacement
military hooks, for about $30/loop. Many of the UK firms also have
replacements, so I am inclined to believe the stock ones aren't that
strong.
Has anyone tried to find suitable hooks at non-LR prices? I understand
these metal bits are special, but the prices I've seen seem excessive.
Shouldn't it be possible to find the right grade of bolts and suitably
strong loops in, say, a hardware store?
-Bob Virzi
rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
+1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:18:09 -0700 (MST)
From: Dan McDonough <mcdan@Rt66.com>
Subject: D-90 Vibrations
After following the discussion on vibrations at 40-50 mph, I began
to wonder. The Locking lug nuts are not as heavy as the standard
ones. Could this be sufficient to put the wheels out-of ballance?
How many D-90 owners out there have the vibration w/o locking
nuts?
If you have locking nuts, which style do you have? (I know of
three different ones) The set on my SW (which has the vibration)
are for the Disco, the dealer will be replacing them RSN.
E-mail me and I will summarize the stats
If you followed the Consumer Reports thread, do you remember the
battle between Car and Driver and CU over the rating of the Dodge Omni/
Plymouth Horizon (I think that was the car). I just loved C&D's
"test" of the Bass-O-Matic.
Daniel McDonough
mcdan@rt66.com
'95 D-90
'95 D-90 SW
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:34:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point
All,
It seems to me that anybody who can anticipate needing to be recovered
should be removing the spoiler before the fact. Off-road activities and
spoilers are mutually exclusive. Once it's off, there are options that
are relatively low cost and effective, including the $45 (RN) "D" ring
that hangs from the offside frame. Two can hang from the rear, and/or you
can use the receiver.
Walt "What Spoiler?" Swain
1988 Range Rover
On 28 Mar 1996 Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com wrote:
> Dave no do not use the wimpy little loop as a recovery point-it will
> break as many people have discovered including one car magazine
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> Regards
> Chris Browne
> 95 disco Winchless in Mass
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:36:31 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Jeremy Clarkson, Sunday Times 24/03/96 (fwd)
Walter C. Swain quoted:
> This just appeared on a sister list, and it's too provocative to let
> pass without making it available for reaction here....
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> until people at Land Rover say to their suppliers 'If you send us one more
> faulty part, we are going to burn down your factory'."
Of course that would be the ideal strategy, but would Chrysler do this if J**p
parts were consistently defective? (They may already be, BTW.) I think taking
this tack with their suppliers would greatly embarrass Land Rover executives when
they met their counterparts on the golf links and at their London club and at the
hunt, etc.
--
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:39:54 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: D-90 Vibrations
Dan McDonough wrote:
> After following the discussion on vibrations at 40-50 mph, I began
> to wonder. The Locking lug nuts are not as heavy as the standard
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> three different ones) The set on my SW (which has the vibration)
> are for the Disco, the dealer will be replacing them RSN.
I'm just about to put these nuts on. I'll report what happens.
--
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:48:11 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report
PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
>But on the serious side, from what I've learned land rover will bring
the
>defender back in '97 with a Disco drivetrain, this means an automatic
is
>available. The reasoning is for the OBDII regs, the engine misfire is
harder
>with a manual trans, and maybe they are just not gonna spend the
effort to
>make it work with the manual, I don't know about that, just a guess.
The question is: Do you really want a big brother chip in your Land
Rover? I don't think the OBDII stuff is exactly my style, not am I
convinced that a fully electonicized Land Rover is a good idea. The
concept of Lucas OBDII computers would scare me enough to almost fear
taking it offroad. <GRIN>
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:32:16 -0500
Subject: Anti-Roll Bars
>I've noticed that a number of folks have removed the suspension piece that
>controls/limits body roll. (I've seen it called an anti-roll bar or sway
>bar, but I think they are names for the same thing.)
The bars are properly called anti-roll bars, but most people seem to call
them sway bars and Land Rover calls them anti-sway bars.
>It seems that the removal has a dramatically positive effect on suspension
>travel.
Removing the anti-roll bars will give just a little bit of suspension travel.
I have personally seen the difference when off road with a friend who has a
'91 RR with anti-roll bars compared to my '89 without the anti-roll bars.
(for the D90 owners new to the list the Range Rover suspension is almost
identical to the D90's) I was never able to go anywhere in my '89 that the
'91 couldn't go.
>Unfortunately, my D90 sees much more time on the road than off :-(
>Does the removal have a big negative effect on handling? The roads where I
live
>tend to be narrow and curvy. Thanks for any replies.
If I could get a set for free, I would put anti-roll bars on my Range Rover.
I would warn people to look in to what removing the bars will do to the
handling of the vehicle. My '89 Range Rover has dual rate springs and the
'91 Range Rovers (that were sold with anti-roll bars) does not. This leads
me to guess that the NAS D90's with anti-roll bars come with single rate
springs (can anyone check on this?). I know that many people are happy with
the bars removed. Removing the bars is fine if you spend a lot of time on
challenging trails where every inch of suspension travel matters, but if you
spend quite a bit of time on road (where you may have to make a high speed
evasive maneuver at freeway speeds) I would leave the bars on.
Kevin Kelly
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:32:07 -0500
Subject: British Pacific LTD.
>The other day someone supplied the e-mail address and phone for a
>new parts supplier in the USA named britpac(?). Would someone be
>kind enough to re post the info?
British Pacific is not a new parts supplier. I don't know how old they are,
but they were in business when I bought my Range Rover almost two years ago.
I always call around berore I buy any parts (AB, RN, BP, DAP etc.) and I seem
to end up buying from British Pacific more often than anyone else.
British Pacific is in Burbank, CA Ph# 800-554-4133 E-Mail <BRITPAC@aol.com>
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 09:29:43 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D-90 Vibrations
I've had the locking lug nuts for 23K miles with no problems.
-Rick
'94 D90
Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149
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Subject: Re: Moab for Easter?
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:45:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
> I was thinking about heading down to Moab for a day or two for the
> big Easter 4X4 event? Is anyone else planning on heading down? If
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Ted,
Just a caution here, but if haven't already signed up for the event, you
might not be able to go on any of the organized trail runs as they are all
full. I've been to the event twice, and it keeps getting more and more
crowded every year, with most trail runs for big Sat filled before xmas.
If you go during the first weekend or during the week, you probably can
get on some runs with the groups. Go to the central meeting point at the
school up the hill on the first Sat, ie. day after tomorrow, and the
folks from the Red Rock club can tell you if there are any runs with space
left over.
Doug Shipman is on his way there even as we speak, driving his Stage 1 V8
Dormobile and towing his Ser llA/Range Rover hybrid "Old Blue 2". He is with
a big contingent from the Warn factory here in Portland. Meeting them there
will also be Michael Hussy, co-winner of the 92 Camel Trophy, though he's
showing up driving his (retch) Toyota. Tim Hensley, the other Camel winner
is busy training the team for this years Camel event which is just around
the corner. Anyway you should see Doug around during the week.
Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or. D90
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:01:27 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: D90 Pull/Tow Points
Greetings,
Well, with all the talk about Disco tow points, it got me thinking again
about how to mount either hooks or loops on the stock front bumper of my
D90. I have the factory bull bar attached to the bumper and it appears that
it has utilized the only anchor points to the frame. I've thought about
fabing a 1/4" steel plate wide enough to accommodate the loops and placing
it under the bull bar mount, but am wondering if anyone else has a better idea.
Happy Trails!
Doug Marbourg, Santa Fe, NM
94' D90
Happy Trails!,
Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Pull/Tow Points
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:07:00 EST
I have the tow loops from Rovers North for the D90. They replace the
existing tie down points (those flat tear-dropped shaped things). The loops
are very sturdy and easy to install. Simply unscrew the bolt holding the
tie down points (they look welded on but they're not) and replace with the
loop and a new bolt (included with the loop). It's a little bit of a pain
that they're underneath where you may have to dig to get to them, but
they're pretty close to the bumper. RN price is $45/loop. They only fit on
the front, so don't buy more than two.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D-90 Vibrations
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:16:00 EST
Dan McDonough wrote:
> After following the discussion on vibrations at 40-50 mph, I began
> to wonder. The Locking lug nuts are not as heavy as the standard
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> three different ones) The set on my SW (which has the vibration)
> are for the Disco, the dealer will be replacing them RSN.
I've evidently been very lucky because my '94 D90 does not have any
vibrations. I do have locking nuts--cylindrical center surrounded by 4 (5?)
evenly spaced holes that match up to pins on the adapter. I have 12,000
miles on them. With previous cars, whenever I had vibrations at certain
speeds it was almost always due to wheels being out of balance. I found
having the wheels speed balanced worked better than simple bubble balance.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:29:07 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
marbourg@lanl.gov,Internet writes:
>Well, with all the talk about Disco tow points, it got me thinking
again
>about how to mount either hooks or loops on the stock front bumper of
my
>D90. I have the factory bull bar attached to the bumper and it
appears that
>it has utilized the only anchor points to the frame. I've thought
about
>fabing a 1/4" steel plate wide enough to accommodate the loops and
placing
>it under the bull bar mount, but am wondering if anyone else has a
better idea.
The military loops I've seen on other D90's fit under the stock bumper
in a pair of pre-existing holes in the frame. I've got a pair of
two-point clip hooks that I want to put on, but I really would prefer
not to drill new holes in the frame. I'd like to see a good solution
here as I want a damn strong spot for my hooks.
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Date: 28 Mar 96 14:51:29 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Bc to the rescue
or at least I hope so
I called Barnett and asked him to write up something and ship it via
the internet to you asap.
I suggested that he not include everything in the first article,
perhaps follow Paul Brodie's lead on the news of the 90's and detail
the additions to his car the first time, with a second article to
follow detailing some of the trips he has done.
suggested that he mail to you a picture of specific accessories such
as the winch bumper etc for inclusion
If its "news of the 90s" maybe my section should be called "Discotech"
(images of flashing lights/John Travolta/night fever style ARGHHH)
Found a nut on the floor of the garage right underneath the disco last
night. I have not been working in the area. hmmmmmmmmm there has been
a funny humming noise from the right hand side especially noticeable
after I come to a halt, almost compressor like in the way it comes on
and shuts off I wonder...
regards
chris
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 11:56:58 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
>it under the bull bar mount, but am wondering if anyone else has a better idea.
I'm pretty sure the LR Military tow loops bolt on through an existing hole
in the frame. I remember seeing them on a D90 with the Camel Trophy skid
plate. Can't remember if the skid plate required trimming or not.
My tow points are on the winch bumper.
-Rick
94 D90
Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:38:28 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Rick Larson wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the LR Military tow loops bolt on through an existing hole
> in the frame. I remember seeing them on a D90 with the Camel Trophy skid
> plate. Can't remember if the skid plate required trimming or not.
The military tow loops replace the "lash down" eyelets on the front frame
members by placing the bolt through the existing holes in the frame. My
'94 D90 came with the optional "engine protection plate," which is bolted
to the frame through the same holes.
I think that this means that the military tow loops *won't* fit on my
D-90, (I haven't tried 'em, since I'd be out $40 a piece if they don't).
They would at least require a much longer bolt - which might be difficult
to find.
David R.
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 15:47:57 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
> I'm pretty sure the LR Military tow loops bolt on through an existing hole
> in the frame
They go through the holes currently holding the tie-down plates.
You remove the plates and put the loops in thier place. I'm
sure because I've got em on the front of my D90. Only get 2,
you can't put them at the back.
Rob
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:01:26 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
rufferr@moodys.com,Internet writes:
>I have the tow loops from Rovers North for the D90. They replace the
>existing tie down points (those flat tear-dropped shaped things). The
loops
>are very sturdy and easy to install. Simply unscrew the bolt holding
the
>tie down points (they look welded on but they're not) and replace with
the
>loop and a new bolt (included with the loop). It's a little bit of a
pain
>that they're underneath where you may have to dig to get to them, but
>they're pretty close to the bumper. RN price is $45/loop. They only
fit on
>the front, so don't buy more than two.
So they mount to the horizontal bolt at a right angle to the frame? My
original tie down points are on the winch guard box. I wonder if there
is a different location. I'd really prefer something that mounted with
the bolt heads down from the bottom of the frame for increased
stability under load.
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Subject: Re: Anti-Roll Bars
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:06:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
> >I've noticed that a number of folks have removed the suspension piece that
> >controls/limits body roll. (I've seen it called an anti-roll bar or sway
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> evasive maneuver at freeway speeds) I would leave the bars on.
> Kevin Kelly
***************************************************************************
A little triva here. When the Range Rover was first fitted with sway bars in
91, they did a few comparison runs, side by side with a 1990 model during the
roll out for the press. The 90 model posted consistently better times through
the slalom course than did the 91 with sway bars. The 91 did indeed corner
flatter, but this had the effect of forcing the tires to roll under and run
partially on the sidewalls, reducing contact patch area and traction. The high
aspect ratio tires have relatively soft sidewalls that tend to roll under
during high side loads. The non
sway bar 90 model, had a lot of body roll, but this enabled the tires to stay
in full contact with the tarmac at higher speeds. So, even though that body
roll can be a bit unnerving at times, you can actually corner faster that way
than with the sway bars attached.
rgds
mike fredette
portland, or.
> >I've noticed that a number of folks have removed the suspension piece that
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marit_=26_Bj=F8rnung?= <bjjen13b@telepost.no>
Subject: Anti-Roll Bars
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:16:47 +-100
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Here in most of Europe the D90 has never had any anti-roll bars! The =
springs have, as far as I know, been single rate front and rear except =
for the "High-load rear springs" which are dual rate. The US spec =
Defender to my knowledge was fitted with stiffer springs and anti-roll =
bars.
The RR in Europe was originally fitted with single rate springs front =
and rear with no anti-roll bar, however, as the vehicle became more and =
more a luxury, car people stared to complain about its handling on road. =
First, revised dampers and dual rate springs were fitted at he rear. =
(the rubber bushes were also modified in the suspension). But, when =
anti-roll bars were fitted they went back to single rate springs at the =
rear, and again modified the rubber bushings in the suspension (at least =
at the front).
As for the RR,my experience after changing to anti-roll bars is =
generally very good. Off road there is of coarse slightly less =
smoothness and wheel travel. On road it is a blessing on winding roads =
and roundabouts (not least for the passengers). However, alternating =
bumps left and right tend to keep your head to be tossed much more from =
side to side, whereas without the bars you would hardly notice the =
bumps. Fore and aft movement is also slightly more pronounced. A quick =
disconnect would be nice.
Bjornung Jensen
Norway
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Date: 28 Mar 96 16:37:46 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: sent in error to the net
Apologies for missent message BC to the rescue
chris browne
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 13:55:04 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
>> plate. Can't remember if the skid plate required trimming or not.
>The military tow loops replace the "lash down" eyelets on the front frame
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>They would at least require a much longer bolt - which might be difficult
>to find.
>David R.
It was on another customers D90 at Pioneer Center, San Diego. The
dealer did the install. This was about a year ago. The more I think
about the more I'm sure they notched the skid plate so the D-rings
would fit. Anyway, I've seen it done. They were trying to sell
me on the concept at the time and implied it wasn't that difficult.
It did look very clean/stock. Definitely no longer a bolt on
though. If I didn't have the winch I'd go that way.
-Rick
>> plate. Can't remember if the skid plate required trimming or not.
>The military tow loops replace the "lash down" eyelets on the front frame
Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:07:31 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Roll Bars
At 01:06 PM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote:
> So, even though that body
> roll can be a bit unnerving at times, you can actually corner faster that way
> than with the sway bars attached.
*IF* you have high profile tires with soft sidewalls i'd believe this is
true. I'm not sure that is the case with NAS '94 - current models. I'd bet
nether the Disco's stock Michilens (sp?) or the D90's stock Goodyear MT's
(NAS '94, did they later change to a less aggressive tread?) would post
faster slalom times with the bars intact.
- Paul.
-94 NAS Disco V8i, Anti-roll bars will stay intact!
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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:03:57 -0500
Subject: Re: LRO shop North America
Has anyone actually gotten anything from LRO shop NA? And anyone know if the
888 area code is only toll free within Canada, or from stateside too?
Thanks,
John.
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>27-1300 KING STREET EAST, BOX 140, OSHAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA, L1E 1B5.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:05:11 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report/Lucas and OBDII...run fer the hills!
In a message dated 96-03-28 11:54:16 EST, you write:
>The question is: Do you really want a big brother chip in your Land
>Rover? I don't think the OBDII stuff is exactly my style, not am I
>convinced that a fully electonicized Land Rover is a good idea. The
>concept of Lucas OBDII computers would scare me enough to almost fear
>taking it offroad. <GRIN>
HA! And it scared LR so much that they dropped Lucas. They done gone Bosch.
I think the 94 defender has a hybrid, the 95s are all Bosch ( Last I read at
work) and then all Bosch for anything OBDII equipped, which means starting in
some 95s and prolly all of 96, and of course fer sure 97 and on...
John. ex CARB
94 D90.
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From: rruffer@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:47:35 -0800
Subject: Anti-Roll Bars
At 01:06 PM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote:
> So, even though that body
> roll can be a bit unnerving at times, you can actually corner faster that way
Paul asked:
"I'd bet nether the Disco's stock Michilens (sp?) or the D90's stock Goodyear
MT's (NAS '94, did they later change to a less aggressive tread?) would post
faster slalom times with the bars intact."
The NAS '94 D90 came stock with Goodrich Mud-Terrains. The '95 D90 came stock
with the less aggressive Goodrich All-Terrains. I remember hearing, though,
that dealers would switch the ATs for MTs at no charge.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:52:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Anti-Roll Bars
bjjen13b@telepost.no,Internet writes:
>As for the RR,my experience after changing to anti-roll bars is
generally very good. Off road there is of coarse slightly >less
smoothness and wheel travel. On road it is a blessing on winding roads
and roundabouts (not least for the >passengers). However, alternating
bumps left and right tend to keep your head to be tossed much more from
side to >side, whereas without the bars you would hardly notice the
bumps. Fore and aft movement is also slightly more >pronounced. A quick
disconnect would be nice.
Ok, so who's going to volunteer to produce quick disconnects for
anti-roll bars? I, for one, would be interested in trying it out, but
not at the expense of daily drivability, nor am I interested in
spending a few hours in prep time before I go offroad. What do quick
disconnects for other vehicles cost/look like? I know J**ps have 'em
available. I wonder how difficult it would be to modify a setup for
another vehicle?
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:42:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point
wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us,Internet writes:
>It seems to me that anybody who can anticipate needing to be recovered
>should be removing the spoiler before the fact. Off-road activities
and
>spoilers are mutually exclusive. Once it's off, there are options that
>are relatively low cost and effective, including the $45 (RN) "D" ring
>that hangs from the offside frame. Two can hang from the rear, and/or
you
>can use the receiver.
This is very true. One of our club members lost his spoiler on one our
runs. The thing just plain gets in the way. Besides, plastic on a
Land Rover is a sin. <GRIN>
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:47:11 -0500
Subject: New Web Site!
The Southern Land Rover Society is proud to announce their new web
pages.
http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros/
We have put about 100 images online so far and will be adding some
short video and many more pictures as our members contribute. We will
also be announcing our monthly rides for anyone out there interested in
coming along. Events, membership information and some newsletter
information will also be available online.
Please feel free to contact me with any comments or problems with the
site.
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:52:35 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report/Lucas and OBDII...run fer the hills!
PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
>HA! And it scared LR so much that they dropped Lucas. They done gone
Bosch.
>I think the 94 defender has a hybrid, the 95s are all Bosch ( Last I
read at
>work) and then all Bosch for anything OBDII equipped, which means
starting in
>some 95s and prolly all of 96, and of course fer sure 97 and on...
The problem is that Bosch and Lucas have been exchanging parts for
years. You never can tell which parts are whose. There are several
"Lucas" components on my '94 D90, I haven't gotten the chance to check
'em all since they're a *little* muddy, even after pressure washing.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:25:39 +0900
From: Alan Logue <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Range Rover brochures
Someone posted a note a few days ago looking for Range Rover brochures for a
particular year???
Who was it???
I've got a number of RR brochures, as well as Disco and Defender ones which
I am more than happy to swap for others.
Drop me a note on what you want
Alan Logue
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:21:59 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: Jeremy Clarkson, Sunday Times
Shaun,
Given an LR and JGC of the same year, the LR's worth will become apparent as
both get older. I have an '89RR that's about as tight as it can possibly be
given the nature of the beast. A comparative year Cherokee simply doesn't.
Come to think of it, NO comparison can be made between that and any of the
other SUVs of that year. Can you? I just finished looking and I couldn't.
That's why I bought it.
Well, the dealer influenced me somewhat too. The last time I got treated as
well as they treated me was when I bought a Lotus Elan a number of years ago
from the Lotus Dealer in Santa Barbara. Though I suspect in that case the
dealer was commiserating with me in advance....
But seriously, the dealer went WAY beyond the call when they sold me that car,
going so far as to fix things that weren't on my list of things for them to
fix, just because they wanted to make it 'right'.
I'm pretty much sold on LRs in general. A D90 is on my wishlist if I ever can
afford it.
Roger Hall
'89 RR
Roger
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:47:29 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: LRO shop North America
>Has anyone actually gotten anything from LRO shop NA? And anyone know if the
>888 area code is only toll free within Canada, or from stateside too?
>Thanks,
>John.
John:
As far as I know, 888 is also toll free in America......I will have to give
the Shop a call!
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:32:07 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points
>> I'm pretty sure the LR Military tow loops bolt on through an existing hole
>> in the frame
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>sure because I've got em on the front of my D90. Only get 2,
>you can't put them at the back.
Why not? That's where mine are fitted. Or does the rear-mounted fuel tank of
US models get in the way?
Cheers!
Tom
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University Marine Biological Station, Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland. Fax 01475 530601
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:56:19 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Towing Points
Gee Whiz! With all of this discussion on towing points and the such...I
figure that I'll have to add a question to the discussion!
I've found some really great, cheap towing straps....20,000 lb rating...but
there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
hooks.....Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco? I was
pondering something like an industrial strength carabiner....BUT......hmmm?
Any thoughts? Thanks! Rover on!
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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