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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 10:05:02 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: D90 Pull/Tow Points

> Why not? That's where mine are fitted. Or does the rear-mounted
> fuel tank of US models get in the way?

You are correct. The tie-down points on the NAS D90 are
bolted to the sides of the metal box around the fuel tank,
not the frame like at the front.  I got mine from Rovers
North and made the mistake of getting 4. Funny that the
guy I spoke to didn't tell me that I couldn't use them at
the rear. BTW, they come with the longer bolts which RN
charges an extra $2.00 apiece for. I added thin teflon
washers between the frame and the hoops so they don't
rattle so much.  You can't hear it from the inside but,
I feared that moving around like that, they would slowly
enlarge the holes and wear through the finish on the frame.

Rob

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Pull/Tow Points
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 10:31:00 EST

The military tow loops for the D90 won't fit on the back of the NAS D90 
because the protection plate for the fuel tank gets in the way.  The fuel 
tank may get in the way too, but it's hard to tell.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:56:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Towing Points

ahyoon@students.wisc.edu,Internet writes:
>I've found some really great, cheap towing straps....20,000 lb
rating...but
>there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
>hooks.....Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco?  I was
>pondering something like an industrial strength
carabiner....BUT......hmmm?
>Any thoughts?  Thanks!  Rover on!

What you need is a pair of clevis hooks.  The look something like a
letter C with a bolt closing off the open section.  You pass the loop
on your recovery strap through a mounting point on the body, bring the
loop back to the strap, and link the clevis around the strap and
through the loop.  These suckers can hold a lot of tension and keep you
from tearing up the point where you attach them, plus you can hook the
strap to almost anywhere in an emergency.

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:58:49 -0500
Subject: For Sale: '94 D90

One of our club members is selling his blue '94 D90.  The vehicle is in
solid condition, has Old Man Emu suspension, A/C, rear seat, and a
brand new '95 top.  It is also numbered LRNA14.  He is asking $26,000
for the vehicle.  If interested, please E-Mail me and I will pass your
information to the owner, since he has no E-Mail address.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:57:58 GMT
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Towing Points

>I've found some really great, cheap towing straps....20,000 lb rating...but
>there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
>hooks.....Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco?  I was
>pondering something like an industrial strength carabiner....BUT......hmmm?

Use a properly rated D or bow shackle. They are much safer than hooks.

Cheers!
             Tom
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Brochures
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 10:58:00 EST

I'm looking for the brochure for the '94 NAS D90.  I have a copy of the 
brochure for the '95 NAS D90 if someone is interested in a swap.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
rufferr@moodys.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:08:35 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point

Chris writes:
     Dave no do not use the wimpy little loop as a recovery point-it will
     break as many people have discovered including one car magazine
     when it goes, so does your spoiler etc

Gee, seems to me that the disco spoiler would have to be long gone anyway,
most likely ground off in the mud or rocks.  ;-)  And when the hook let go,
I'd be more concerned about being cut in half by the cable than about any
spoiler.  And are you talking about the single loop up front, or the
attachement points underneath the truck?

     While I initially put a LR military hitch on to mine I have decided
     that this is no good for the front due it its location , the only real
     solution that I see is to buy the RN front receiver adapter ($200)
     plus recovery adapter
     RN 802 879 0032. This is a bolt on accessory that is access through
     the center mouth of the spoiler

Seriously, though, if you are in a position where the hooks or reciever are
needed, I'd bet the front dam is toast anyway.

So, changing topics slightly, what is the best way to attempt recovery on a
disco?  Looking at the disco bumper, I don't see why it can't be modified
to allow jacking and recovery from it.  It is a pretty good sized piece of
steel, not plastic.  And it bolts directly to the frame (from memory,
didn't just run out and check).  What happens if a tow strap is used for
extraction on the bumper?  Will the bumper fail completely or just bend?
Can it be slotted to accept a jack?

I realize there is the aftermarket bumper route.  But on club and casual
outings, there are lots of unmodified discos out there.  I'd like to know
how to safely execute a rescue without damaging someone else's (possibly
new) truck.  Any tips?
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: 29 Mar 1996 11:26:37 -0500
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Disco tow hooks

Bob;

I've tried for my Defender, and it's not easy.  Haven't found any so far, =
and I've even been to a place that caters to HEAVY construction =
equipment!  Seems the opening of the "jaw" that it necessary to straddle =
the frame rail is prohibitive.

Best thing I can think of it to go to a machine shop  and have them made =
up, but have no idea of the cost att.

Bill

 ------ From: Robert A. Virzi, Thu, Mar 28, 1996 ------ 

Dave writes regarding tow points:
"On my 95 Disco there is a tow point attached to the left chassis
horn.  It is a loop of steel and is bolted to the end of the horn
(using the same bolts as the bumper) and extends through an
opening in the air dam, presumably for easy access, not to be
confused with two tie down loops welded to each side of the frame"

I've also wondered about the strength of these.  RN sells replacement
military hooks, for about $30/loop.  Many of the UK firms also have
replacements, so I am inclined to believe the stock ones aren't that
strong.

Has anyone tried to find suitable hooks at non-LR prices?  I understand
these metal bits are special, but the prices I've seen seem excessive.
Shouldn't it be possible to find the right grade of bolts and suitably
strong loops in, say, a hardware store?
-Bob Virzi

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 11:29:17 EST
From: dmccor03@counsel.com (David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield )
Subject: Disco Tow Point

 To:	RRO List, 		Inet 	

O.K. so the air dam goes.  What about the bumper end caps which
hang down flush with the air damn?  Have you dam removers simply
cut the bumper caps?  (A comment  a while back said a hack saw
works well).  I guess there is no point to taking the dam on and
off.  Right?    Also, in this environmentally friendly age, to
what purpose can I dedicate the now useless air dam?  It might
make a nice flower bed border.   Hmmmm.

Dave McCormack

Gonna take a hack saw to my Disco.

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: D90 Jacking Points
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 11:53:00 EST

Finally got around to buying a high lift jack.  I got it with the D90/110 
adapter that fits in the hole at the ends of the chassis up front.  What 
about the back?  Has anyone come up with a good jacking point or maybe 
fabricated one that they welded on?  The only jacking point I see is maybe 
the receiver, but the tire looks like it would get in the way.  Thanks in 
advance.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 08:29:31 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Towing Points

>I've found some really great, cheap towing straps....20,000 lb rating...but
>there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
>hooks.....

That is a good thing!  Never buy/use tow straps with hooks.  If they come
unhooked under load you have the metal hook flying through the air,
windshields, bodies, and whatever else is in the way.

A load rated shackle is your best bet.  Any 4x4 store and most bigger 
hardware stores carry them.     

>Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco?  I was
>pondering something like an industrial strength carabiner....BUT......hmmm?
>Any thoughts?  Thanks!  Rover on!
>Arnold Yoon

-Rick

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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From: mcdan@rt66.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 10:50:54 +0700
Subject: D-90 Vibrations - Preliminary Results

It looks like the Locking Lug-Nuts are not the problem. All the responses that
I got from people who have Locking Nuts have the same style as I have on my
ragtop. The key has 4 pins which set into the lug. Some report vibration, some
don't have vibration (like me). Some have reported vibration with out locking
lug nuts.

Let's see if we can find a pattern.

If you had the vibration and the dealer fixed it, what did they do? How many fixed
the problem by balancing the tires?

My next question for those who have the vibration. When you are at speed and
depress the clutch, does the vibration change? If so does it get worse, stay the
same or go away?

E-mail me and I will summarize again.

Daniel McDonough
mcdan@rt66.com

95 D-90 NAS Ragtop
95 D-90 NAS SW

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:46:33 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point

Re: Tow Points / Skid Plates

Now don't get me wrong. I love my Disco and would probably buy a D90 if I
could afford another $30k toy, BUT:

- Why does a manufacturer with the offroad history and experience that
Land-Rover has require BASIC off-road features like skid plates and tow
points to be THIRD-PARTY ACCESSORIES instead of FACTORY FEATURES or at least
options?!

In some cases, their does not seem to be an aftermarket solution that is
even arguably cost effective! How much delta cost would it be to LR to put
some damn skid plates and tow points on the Disco's and D90's at the factory?! 

Why doesn't LR put more engine waterproofing (spray skirts, distributor
cover ala Toyota LandCruiser) AT THE FACTORY?! My engine compartment is
always covered with mud from splashing below. My Landcruiser NEVER had this
problem because they put plastic spray skirts where they were needed!

Having a competent off-road machine is more than axle articulation! 

Compared to the likes of a Mitsu Montero (Pajero, Shogun) or LandCruiser
FJ80, both of which come heavily skid-plated with engine waterproofing, why
can't LR do the same?! 

Sorry for the rant. It just doesn't make sense to me.

- Paul.
'94 NAS Disco V8i still needing skid plates, tow hooks and engine water
protection.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:06:48 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: '94 Defender for $29k

I was playing with a US West IVR system (don't ask), and came across an ad
for a '94 LR Defender.  2k miles, red exterior, must be somewhere in area
code 303 (CO?).  Price listed was $29k.  Don't ask me anything else about
the truck, cause I've told you all I know.  To listen to the ad yourself,
call these guys:

US West Marketing Resources
AutoLocator & HomeLocator
(303) 773-0773
Touch-tone interface to automobile and home sale classified ads.   Press 1
to reach the auto locator.  Enter L A N D # for landrover ads.  There is one.

(Is this the >right< list for this kind of posting?)   ;-)
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:14:33 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: Towing Points

>Gee Whiz!  With all of this discussion on towing points and the such...I
>figure that I'll have to add a question to the discussion!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>pondering something like an industrial strength carabiner....BUT......hmmm?
>Any thoughts?  Thanks!  Rover on!
Of course!  Go to your nearest 4X4 shop and pick up a couple of D-shackels.
There rated far beyond the rating of most tow/pull straps, and are quick to
manipulate.  Also, Warn makes a standard receiver/shackle combo for about
$40.  I don't leave the road without um.

Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: 29 Mar 96 13:22:15 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Discovery recovery and other stuff

     Front recovery: I guess that with a little ingenuity, there is no 
     reason not to manufacture strong tow rings that bolt through the 
     chassis rails and come out through the spoiler (if you still have it) 
     or the holes in the spoiler (if you want to keep it)
      
     personally no plans on making mine look like a camel trophy vehicle 
     (hey this is a family car after all). for everyday usage the factory 
     style is ok, and but adding the front end receiver hitch I retain the 
     ability to recover the vehicle off road and the looks (I like subtle 
     ability) I have the military tow hooks at the rear end but you could 
     use a tow hitch adapter (warn/superwinch) or RN's expensive set up 
     installed into the class three hitch ( for you folks back home in the 
     UK a class 3 hitch is a square tube with 2 inch sides welded to the 
     frame. this gives a better departure angle than any UK spec towing set 
     up)  
     
     On tow rope/straps. I picked up a 20,000 keeper strap, but having used 
     a Kinetic energy recovery rope, that is a better set up-with a regular 
     tow strap there is a huge jerk when it pulls taut-with the Kerr it 
     stretches like a giant elastic band until enough energy from the 
     weight of the recovering vehicle plus its forward motion is 
     transferred down the rope to the stuck car which pops out like a cork 
     with no jerk at all. given the thousands of pounds of force being 
     exerted here (think about it)  I prefer the KERR set up.  RN has them, 
     but they are cheaper from the UK (david Bowyer). 
     
     As for shackles I have three, all 3/4 inch galvanised units from a 
     marine store. Many books suggest that you go for these, so I did. at 
     $10 a piece they are really cheap addition to your kit. just remember 
     when using them to slacken them up a half turn or so, so they don't 
     tighten up on you.  
     
     thanks 
     Chris Browne
     95 Disco
     Its mud season let me outta here

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Tow Point
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:24:52 -0800

>- Why does a manufacturer with the offroad history and experience that
>Land-Rover has require BASIC off-road features like skid plates and tow
>points to be THIRD-PARTY ACCESSORIES instead of FACTORY FEATURES or at
>least
options?!

I'd like to see tow hooks, too but I suspect this is the victim of the
schizophrenic marketing of LR products. e.g. Its an expedition vehicle
(a la Camel Trophy), no, wait, it's the wife's mall-wagon, no, wait,
it's the best off road SUV, no, wait, etc... Hence the A/C, sunroofs &
CD stayed and the tow-hooks went. (Just a guess)
>In some cases, their does not seem to be an aftermarket solution that
>is
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>some damn skid plates and tow points on the Disco's and D90's at the
>factory?! 

I agree, however, looking at the undercarriage of the Disco I've notices
that unlike many other SUV's, all of the Disco's "vulnerable" components
(except, perhaps the sterring linkage) is recessed above the frame rails
so the risk of dragging the tranny-pan over a rock is much less. (I
won't say impossible :-) Compared to a JGC or a Toyota 4-runner, their
drive train is hanging below the (wimpy, or nonexistent) frame making
the need for skid plates much greater. I would feel more comfortable
with at least more gas tank protection "off the rack" though.
>Why doesn't LR put more engine waterproofing (spray skirts, distributor
>cover ala Toyota LandCruiser) AT THE FACTORY?! My engine compartment is
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>this
>problem because they put plastic spray skirts where they were needed!
This bother's me, too. OTOH, It hasn't caused a problem... yet.
>Having a competent off-road machine is more than axle articulation! 
>cover ala Toyota LandCruiser) AT THE FACTORY?! My engine compartment is
And more than dual sun-roofs, A/C, CD, etc. but I still like having them
in the car :-)
>Compared to the likes of a Mitsu Montero (Pajero, Shogun) or
>LandCruiser
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>why
>can't LR do the same?! 
On a related line, why can't they wire it like the electrical system
wasn't an afterthought. It never ceases to amaze me how little
mechanical design went into the electrical system. If you want a real
scare, remove the glove box to see the rat's nest of wiring around the
ECU, etc. computers.
>Sorry for the rant. It just doesn't make sense to me.
>LandCruiser
Even with all it's "quirks", It's still a "keeper"
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/ don't hate me because I'm beautiful

>Sorry for the rant. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:26:44 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Jacking Points

>Finally got around to buying a high lift jack.  I got it with the D90/110 
>adapter that fits in the hole at the ends of the chassis up front.  What 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>the receiver, but the tire looks like it would get in the way.  Thanks in 
>advance.

Richard,

I to wonder.  I'm also looking for ideas concerning rocker pannel
replacement/strength enhancement for my D90.  I think a replacement of the
existing rocker pannels would be the best altern. (as well as a great
jacking point).  I was thinking of removing the existing pannels and
replacing with maby 2"x1/4" square steel tubing painted to match the body,
but am wondering about correct mounting points.  Frame or body?  I know the
body is a direct bolt to the frame. Ideas???? Thanks.

Happy Trails,

Doug 
Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:37:10 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Towing Points

>there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
>hooks.....Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco?  I was

Use a shackle, i.e. a big iron ring open at one end, with a threaded pin 
that closes it.  You can get one at an offroad store.  Hooks are no good, as 
they might become hazardously airborne if the line breaks.

-Matt

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:36:56 -0500
Subject: Re: solaros

monk@calypso.math.udel.edu,Internet writes:
http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros/

and was told "www.learnlink.emory.edu does not have a DNS entry".  Is it
registered?

It is regsistered, however, it was only a few days ago, so it may take
a while to sift through to your site.  If you'd like to get a look
anyway, the IP is 170.140.60.42.  Just don't make any bookmarks or
links to the IP, since the name hasn't made it out yet...

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:32:10 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  RE: Disco Tow Point -Reply

- Why does a manufacturer with the offroad history and experience that
Land-Rover has require BASIC off-road features like skid plates and
tow points to be THIRD-PARTY ACCESSORIES instead of FACTORY
FEATURES or at least options?!

I've often wondered this too.  It makes even less sense for the D90
which is obviously a dedicated off-road machine, not a mall vehicle. 
Even J**P offers skid plates and tow hooks as options on all its vehicles.
(of course it probably needs them more and I'm not overly confident of
their tow hooks).

The last time I looked under a Disco, the steering looked awful
vulnerable, more so than even on an old Cherokee, even without its
skidplates.  Or maybe I was just subconsciously influenced by
Consumer reports article on the disco which discouraged it for off road
use because of its vulnerably low steering.  (yes, I agree in advance
with every bad thing you all will say about CR's knowledge of offroad
vehicles).  

Nevertheless, I'd rather be in a stock LR than a J**p with every offroad
option offered.

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Jacking Points
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 13:52:33 MST

Douglas C. Marbour

> I to wonder.  I'm also looking for ideas concerning rocker pannel
> replacement/strength enhancement for my D90.  I think a replacement of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> but am wondering about correct mounting points.  Frame or body?  I know the
> body is a direct bolt to the frame. Ideas???? Thanks.

I love this idea!  In fact, I was thinking the very same thing.  What
got me going was when I noticed that my left side lower door sill
(rocker panel) was noticeably caved in from an encounter with another
car's door.  "Really flimsy," I thought.  Then I recalled a D90 I saw
where the owner had removed the sills because they had become so damaged
from offroad encounters (The owner is a mechanic at Denver's Pioneer
Center Land Rover dealership.  He mentioned that he was working on
something better -- it might be worth giving him a call).

When I saw Bill Burke (of Camel Trophy fame) last he showed me some
nerf-Bar / side-steps that he was working on with Tuffy Security
Products.  I emailed him last Friday to see how those were going and was
told that the project was canceled because at the projected $400 price
tag there wouldn't be enough of a market.  Too bad, because they would
have been very effective at protecting the sills, and might have
provided a jack point as well.

I think something like heavy steel tubing or a nice chunk of angle-iron
(color matched to the body) bolted to the outriggers might work, though
jacking would place considerable stress on the outriggers.

I too would like to hear what others are thinking or what they may have
already done.

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 15:55:04 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: spare EFI harness???

Anybody got a spare EFI harness, or just the ECU plug part,
suitable for '91 RR ?
thanks
Jan

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 12:58:54 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 Jacking Points

 
>jacking point).  I was thinking of removing the existing pannels and
>replacing with maby 2"x1/4" square steel tubing painted to match the body,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
>marbourg@lanl.gov
Greg at Safari Gard is making basically your side sill design already.  Think
his are about 1" thick though.  (I could measure if it means alot to someone.)
For jacking you probably wouldn't want to be flush with the body.  His stick 
out about 3/4 of an inch by design. They mount to the frame via the out riggers
and can be highlift jacked. 

The rear bumperetts he made me can also be highlift jacked.  

Good pictures of the side sills (No, I never did get up the hill....) at:

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/trips/MojaveRd/MojaveRd.2.html

-Rick

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Safari Gard
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 16:22:00 EST

Been hearing lots of good stuff about Safari Gard and their products.  Who 
are they, and how can I get in touch with them?

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:29:55 -0600
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Tow Point

Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com wrote:
> the only real solution that I see is to buy the RN front receiver 
> adapter ($200)plus recovery adapter RN 802 879 0032. This is a bolt on 
> accessory that is access through the center mouth of the spoiler

OK - I was looking at this in the RN catalog.  After seeing the words 
"bolt on", I went out to look for where it may "bolt on" to.  Unless I'm 
missing something (probably), I don't see any place obvious for 
"bolt-ing" !

Huh ???

---------------------------###-----------------------------
PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA
Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
847-696-2828  FAX: 847-698-2045  e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 16:31:40 EST
Subject: Re: spare EFI harness???

     Jan,
     
     sorry I don't have one but I vaguely recollect some postings about a 
     year ago where it was said that the ECU plug part was the same part as 
     some other European car - Volvo or Volkswagen ring a bell. Does anyone 
     else remember? Its probably a Bosch part maybe someone has the part 
     number that you can then chase down at a scrapyard.
     
     Good luck
     Mike Lenaghan

> Subject: spare EFI harness???
> Author:  jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) at inetmail

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> thanks
> Jan

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:29:19 +0000
Subject:       Re: D90 Jacking Points

> > I to wonder.  I'm also looking for ideas concerning rocker pannel
> > replacement/strength enhancement for my D90.  I think a replacement of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> have been very effective at protecting the sills, and might have
> provided a jack point as well.

I, Like Rick have the Safari Gaurd Solution, except myne is for the 
Disco.

Give them a call!

(909) 698-6114

Tomw
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Date: 29 Mar 96 17:37:51 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Disco Tow Point

     
     Keith asks
OK - I was looking at this in the RN catalog.  After seeing the words 
"bolt on", I went out to look for where it may "bolt on" to.  Unless I'm 
missing something (probably), I don't see any place obvious for 
"bolt-ing" !
     
the Chassis-Where is Gerald ?????
He actually has one on his disco - I suspect that the set 
up  envelopes the bumper mounts with longer bolts -
 
chris Browne

-
regards
Chris Browne
95 disco

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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 18:01:47 EST
Subject: Swivel Seals on Range Rover

     Over the next few weeks I plan on replacing the swivel seals and hub 
     seals on my 87 RR. I've done hub seals before but have never ventured 
     into the swivel joints! Does anyone have any helpful hints or things I 
     should look out for?
     
     The only tool I've been able to find to disconnect the ball joints is 
     the impact type - am I likely to damage the ball joints when 
     disconnecting them?
     
     Also, there have been a few postings lately about LR springs and 
     disconnecting sway bars. Does anyone know if there are any non-LR 
     springs that fit a RR without sway bars, that are dual rate. Are the 
     OME springs single or dual rate and how do they compare to originals 
     for highway driving?
     
     Thanks
     Mike Lenaghan
     87 RR (2)

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:51:09 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Jacking Points

Great!

How can I get hold of Greg to talk cost/time ect.?  Was that you with the
rock under your rear bumper?  33"'s would have been nice! hee hee hee :-)

>Greg at Safari Gard is making basically your side sill design already.  Think
>his are about 1" thick though.  (I could measure if it means alot to someone.)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>Richard Larson
>LSI Logic Corporation
>(408) 433-7149
Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:52:11 -0500
Subject: Tow Straps

>I've found some really great, cheap towing straps....20,000 lb rating...but
>there is a drawback....they only have loops on the ends, no
>hooks.....Anyone have ideas for hooking them up to the Disco?  I was

If you want to hook up at the back of the Disco you can just put the strap in
the receiver hole and put the receiver pin through the loop in the strap.  If
you are going to go off road much, buy a receiver shackle bracket and a big
bow shackle. (This also works as a lift point for the Hi-Lift jack).  I am
not sure how hard it is to take off the front spoiler on the Disco, but on
the RR a Rovers North D ring on the passenger side of the frame works well
with the spoiler off to hook up the front.

>pondering something like an industrial strength carabiner....BUT......hmmm?
>Any thoughts?  Thanks!  Rover on!

I have often looked at the "industrial strength carabiners" and lower cost
bow shackles at hardware stores, but then I think what will happen if it
fails (the recovery strap will launch the piece of steel like a giant
slingshot, and maybe kill someone) so I always pay the big $ for bow shackles
that were designed for winching.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:54:04 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: D90 Jacking Points

On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Douglas C. Marbourg wrote:

> I'm also looking for ideas concerning rocker pannel
> replacement/strength enhancement for my D90.  I think a replacement of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> but am wondering about correct mounting points.  Frame or body?  I know the
> body is a direct bolt to the frame. Ideas???? Thanks!!

Dear Doug:
I believe that Safari Guard makes rocker panel replacements out of beefy
steel with an option that the steel pieces can be used to hold compressed
air as well. Perhaps some of the list members with more info will
respond...

Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:01:39 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: D90 Service Report/Lucas and OBDII...run fer the hills!

>PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
>>HA!  And it scared LR so much that they dropped Lucas.  They done gone
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>years.  You never can tell which parts are whose.  There are several
>"Lucas" components on my '94 D90, I haven't gotten the chance to check
>'em all since they're a *little* muddy, even after pressure washing.

Please excuse my ignorance (like I not ignorant already!), but on the
94'D90, what are the specifice problems with the Lucas components?
>PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:32:05 GMT -0600
Subject: shackle warning

I've read recently a lot of postings about shackles and their use for 
towing/recovery. Someone said that they (refering I believe to screw 
pin shackles) that they had a rating much higher than the recovery 
straps. They aren't rated as high as you think, unless you get very 
large ones, 1" or more. The ones I use are actually rated less than 
my strap, although I do have one really large one too. They are 3/4" 
which is about as big as I want to fool with on a regular basis.
Just keep in mind that just because it looks beefy, doesn't mean it 
has some ungodly rating.

Most important though is to be careful not to pass a running end of 
your strap or cable, or an end that might become so if it something gives, 
over the pin in a screw pin shackle. It can cause the pin to unscew 
and make the shackle into a leathal projectile. The safest shackle in 
my experience is the kind that uses a pin retained by a cotter pin. 
They are more of a pain to use, but are safer if you don't always 
have your wits about you. And remember, always THINK  THROUGH what 
you are doing during vehicle recovery. I've seen some nasty injuries 
happen when people don't perform rigging properly.

If I get a chance this weekend, I'll post the ratings of various 
styles and sizes of shackles.

Happy rigging.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:59:02 -0500
Subject: Range Rover Wood Trim

Here is another post that I would never send to the LRO/Unplush list. 

I have had a problem with the wood falling off the door panels of my '89
Range Rover.  The wood strips are held on to the panel with little plastic
plugs that are glued to the wood.  The plugs are staying in the door panel
but the glue is failing.  I have had to fix this a couple times on three of
the four doors.  I have used Duro Contact Cement and Elmers SAF-T Contact
Cement, but the plugs pull out of the wood after a few months. (I don't think
I slam the doors that hard)

I am thinking about using a two sided foam trim tape in addition to the glue.
 Has anyone found a good way to fix this problem?  Or does anyone know a good
glue for gluing plastic to wood.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:34:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Wood Trim

On Fri, 29 Mar 1996 KKelly6788@aol.com wrote:

> I am thinking about using a two sided foam trim tape in addition to the glue.
>  Has anyone found a good way to fix this problem?  Or does anyone know a good
> glue for gluing plastic to wood.

Hi Kevin,

We use something called Barge Cement for applications like this.  It's a
good quality product for things like shoe repairs where unlike materials
need to be joined in a flexible bond.  Large hardware stores ought to 
have it.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:21:44 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: '89 recall

Here's something positive about LRNA.  Some time ago I posted on the recall
explaining I'm in the Philippines with an '89 NAS Rangie and asking if I'd
fall under the recall since the vehicle is no longer in the US.

Well, I wrote LRNA and got an answer.  They acknowledge the recall applies
to my truck, that my letter was forwarded to UK "regarding shipping of the
parts required for the recall and advice about reimbursement for the
installation".  The letter was from Liz Sander, Owner Care, LRNA.

A plush answer to a plushmobile problem!!!!

Oscar
'89 NAS RR
it does go off-road!!!

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Disco Tow Point
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:41:52 GMT

On 29 Mar 96 17:37:51 EST, you wrote:

>He actually has one on his disco - I suspect that the set 
>up  envelopes the bumper mounts with longer bolts -

Yes, the Disco front receiver mounts on 4 holes used by the bumper. It
comes with longer bolts and stop nuts, but no washers (in mine
anyway). I bought the washers myself. The bumper ends up mounted on
the same holes. The receiver is not very visible, which I like.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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