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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 11:26:03 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: Waves, Brakes, and other oddities.

> interested) and find that about 80% of riders outside of a city area will
> wave (except harley riders, who seemingly will almost never wave to non-hog
> riders).

I currently own/ride 3 bikes (71 BMW R75/5, 82 Suzuki GS750, 89 HD XLH).
Almost made it 4 last month. Had to exercise major self control to walk
away from a 96 Ducati 900SS without a sales slip. The same feeling I had
the first time I walked out of a LR dealer. Oh, oh...
   
Anyway, waving among motorcyclists is pretty much mandatory.  Almost all
do it. The HD riders who don't wave to other non-HD riders are just plain
fools, and visa-versa. When I'm out riding, I wave to everybody. It's such a
burned in reflex that sometimes when I'm driving (or riding in a "cage" as
bikers call them) with the window open, I wave to bikes without thinking.
I guess I'm a pathological waver.     

> I have yet to get a wave from a LR owner. They all seem oblivious to the
> fact that there is even another LR within 100'. I would think Defender
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> and wonder what it is, and ALWAYS have someone with the same model wave, I
> should have bought the D90. Dammit, I wanted power windows!

My thinking exactly.  Hardly anybody around here (NYC area) with a LR waves.
Sometimes when stopped at a light or intersection, after eye contact is made,
there's an exchange. Then, it could be anything from a simple nod, to a wave,
to a hearty thumbs up. The exception being D90s and series LRs which seem to
generate more waving. I myself never realy gave LRs and waving much thought
until reading all the threads about it here.

So, if you crave the wave, get yourself a scoot.  You'll get lots of em :-)

Rob

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  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:32:00 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Jack differences

Does anyone out there know if the "Jack-All" accessory that fits into the
Defender frame will work on a "Hi-Lift" jack?
Best,
David Rosenbaum

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 12:50:27 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: Jack differences

> Does anyone out there know if the "Jack-All" accessory that fits into the
> Defender frame will work on a "Hi-Lift" jack?

I definetly does not. I know because I've tried it.  You can get one that
fit's the Hi-Lift from Craddock.  Check out thier add in LRO. The sell
the Hi-Lift in both the stamped steel version and the all-cast version,
as well as the D90/100 front lifting adapter.

Rob

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  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:52:15 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Re: Local Land Rover Org?

>Do you know of a Local Land Rover org here in New Mexico? I
>would like to have a chance to talk rovers with someone, but
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>In the Rover Web pages, there is a listing for an org in
>Santa Fe, but no name or phone number.

Hello!

Well, no.  I sent a letter to the Santa Fe organization and got no response.
>From what I've learned, there was a club in SF at one time, but it faded,
for reasons I haven't discovered.  I've considered starting a club in Santa
Fe/New Mexico, but am not sure there is/would be enough interest to make it
successful. If there significant interest, maby we could get something going. 
Happy Trails,

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:58:44 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: re:Tricked D90 Questions!

>Doug,
>Were the gears in the front and rear diffs that were changed to 4.7:1 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>running? 33x9.5/16, or 285/75R16? etc. Did the tires rub at all on full 
>compression?

Barnet,

The gears were from a Series III, the tires are 285/75R16's and with the OME
suspension the tires didn't rub at all.  GREAT RIDE!
Happy Trails,

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123, Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 13:04:05 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Winch

 If you can find it, check out the May issue of "4x4 Mechanix" magazine.
There's lots of stuff about winches including a winch "shoot out" between
Warn, Super Winch, and Mile Marker.  The article is very good. Some good
pictures around the mag of LRs too.   In the letters to the editor section,
there's a letter from none other than Jim Allen again!  He sets them
straight on the history of the LR. Apparently there was something about
LRs in the March issue. 

Rob

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  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: re:Tricked D90 Questions!
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 11:04:05 MST

Douglas C. Marbour says:
> >Doug,
> >Were the gears in the front and rear diffs that were changed to 4.7:1 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> suspension the tires didn't rub at all.  GREAT RIDE!
> Happy Trails,

Then unless the OME lift included extended bump stops, the 285/75R16's
should fit the stock D90 suspension setup as well, yes?

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90, #1930

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:12:18 -0500
Subject: Range Rover Springs

>Another related question I've always been curious about is the front 
>radius arm bushing changes you mention; I know that in the mid 80's they 
>stiffened up these bushings and added dual rate rear springs.

An article in the Dec. '85 issue of What Car? (British) magazine said that
body roll on the new '86 was improved by "fitting dual-rate springs and
bigger bushes along with revised damper settings"

>Also, the models, such as mine, with the dual rate rear springs always 
>seem a bit lower in the rear than those with the single rates; is this an 
>illusion on my part? 

I think a lot of  older Range Rovers sit lower in the back due to the tools,
Hi-Lift jack, spare parts, fluids and other junk that the owners of older
Range Rovers haul around every day.  The newer RR's do have the CD changer in
the back, but that weighs a lot less that a full Craftsman 3 drawer tool box.
 All springs will sag over time so the main reason is probably sag.

>Finally, does anyone know what the rear springs were on the 92 US regular 
>model of Range Rover, which had less trim and no sway bars compared to 
>the County model?

The '92 base RR had the same 127 to 180 lb./in. rear springs as the '91
Hunter and '87-'90 RR's.  The '92 County had the 150 lb./in. single rate
springs in back.

Kevin Kelly

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Subject: Re: Hydraulic Winch
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

 
  If you can find it, check out the May issue of "4x4 Mechanix" magazine.
 There's lots of stuff about winches including a winch "shoot out" between
 Warn, Super Winch, and Mile Marker.  The article is very good. Some good
 pictures around the mag of LRs too.   In the letters to the editor section,
 there's a letter from none other than Jim Allen again!  He sets them
 straight on the history of the LR. Apparently there was something about
 LRs in the March issue. 
 
 Rob
 
******************************************************************************

Rob,

  Don't be a tease. If the magazine is gonna be hard to find, just tell
  us what the results of the test were. We've had enough threads on hydraulic
  winches lately, so just spill the beans and relay what the article said.
  I know we'd all like to hear an objective (other than Mile Marker) opinion
  on this whole thing. So start typing.

  Rgds
  Mike Fredette
  Portland, Or
  94 D90

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:50:58 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: 4 wheeler top truck competition

Folks -- let's all send in voting forms to Four Wheeler magazine choosing 
the D-90 as one of the vehicles to be included in their Top Truck 
competiion this year. Someone had the gumption to enter one, so let's 
support him!!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 14:43:23 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Winch

> Don't be a tease. If the magazine is gonna be hard to find, just tell
>  us what the results of the test were. We've had enough threads on hydraulic
>  winches lately, so just spill the beans and relay what the article said.
>  I know we'd all like to hear an objective (other than Mile Marker) opinion
>  on this whole thing. So start typing.

	Sorry, I didn't mean to tease. I'm not sure what the circulation of
the mag is.  I've only seen it a few times but, that doesn't mean that for
others, it's not just as easy to get as "Four Wheeler".

I'll be happy to type in a summary of the article. I just need a day or
two to get it done.  No problemo'.

Rob

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  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
=============================================================================

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:49:32 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Euro Parts Ltd.

Greetings,

Durring the threads on LR part suppliers, I didn't see anyone mention Euro
Parts Ltd.  They have a very comprehensive parts and accessory listing on
the Web.  The Net address is http://www.Techline.com/~europart/ There phone
number is 1-800-274-4830.
Happy Trails,

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123, Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 14:02:15 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Disco Oil Filters again

Some time ago there was discussion of the various substitutes for the  
expensive LR oil filter. The Fram PH 8A and its copies like the AC  
Delco and Deutch D 539( 2 for 5.00 where I live)  will work on Disco.  
They are long and offer more filtration than the standard filter but  
do not have a an anti drain check valve. Someone posted about the  
Fram PH 16 which was suggested as more suited to the LR. This filter  
is the same as the one on my wife's SAAB 900 a Deutch D 400. It does  
not have a check valve and appears to offer less filtration and no  
gain over the very easy to obtain PH 8A type. 

	I recently bought a case of English made Crosland filters  
which are identical to LR except that they don't say LR. They sell  
for 5.00 each from Europarts and--like the LR filter--have a check  
valve. 

	Does anyone have any idea what the anti-drain check valve  
DOES? I have used the Fram PH 8A long type for quite a while now and  
have had n oproblems with them. John Friedman

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Date: 04 Apr 96 15:21:27 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: DesertStormYouSay?

     Ben says
     
        
 I've seen photos of Lightweights in the Gulf War.
 
 Your right, I was looking at Morrison's book just last weekend-Series 
 3(including a carawagon and ambulance), lightweights, FC101 
 (GS/ambulances), 90/110/130/Range Rovers (including a "Blood red" version
  used by a surgeon) and the Discovery (with American soldier posing by the 
 drivers door).
 
 Regards
 Chris Browne
 95 Disco 

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:42:10 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: Tricked Out D90 Correction

Sorry, I blew the tire size on the LR reps "tricked" D90. :-(  I originally
thought they were BFG MT 285x75/R16's but I found out from the source that
in fact they are BFG MT 255x85/R16's (I didn't know BFG made that size).
They have a thinner width, which might explain the lack of fender well
rubbing.  More latter.
Happy Trails,

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123, Santa Fe, NM
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Automatic D90 and Limited Edition Disco
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 96 17:38:00 EST

This came across the PRNewswire service yesterday.  Makes for interesting 
reading.

DEFENDER 90 AUTOMATIC DEBUTS AT 1996 NEW YORK AUTO SHOW

                 Record breaking sales streak continues

    NEW YORK, April 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Land Rover North America, Inc.
today announced Defender 90 will return to North America and, for the
first time, be equipped with an automatic transmission.  The vehicle
will return as a 1997 model with a larger, 182 hp, 4.0 litre V-8 engine
and air conditioning as standard.  Company officials told reporters at
the New York Auto Show that the Defender 90 automatic will have
permanent four-wheel drive, four-wheel disc brakes and a newly designed
center console that includes integrated cupholders and a lockable cubby
box.  A soft top version of the automatic Defender 90 will be available
in the spring of 1997.  Final pricing has not been set, but the station
wagon will be priced at approximately $34,000.
    "The Defender 90 will return to the United States for the 1997 model
year in response to dealer and consumer demands," said Roger J. Ball,
vice president, Product Marketing, Land Rover North America, Inc.  "When
Defender 90 production ended at the completion of the 1995 model year,
we hoped we could find a way to bring it back since it symbolizes so
much that is Land Rover.  We were gratified by the requests we had to
continue it."
    The production of Defender 90 for North America was suspended for
the 1996 model year pending certification of the new engine/transmission
combination.
    The company has also announced a limited edition Discovery called
the XD.  Painted in eye-catching AA yellow, the special Discovery will
be equipped for heavy duty off-road use including skid plates, BF
Goodrich All-Terrain 225 tires, and a wrap around brush bar with Land
Rover driving lights.
    Ball also announced a new Camel Trophy-style competition for U.S.
Land Rover dealers called "Trek '96."  Using the specially outfitted
Discovery XDs, participants will have the opportunity to test their
off-road driving skills against one another, as well as their personal
stamina and resourcefulness.  An additional 250 of these vehicles will
be available in early 1997 with a target price of $36,000.
    Land Rover also announced record sales for March and the completion
of the best first quarter in company history.  1,764 vehicles were sold
in March, marking the twenty-fourth consecutive month-over-month
increase.  Company officials credited the thirty-one Land Rover Centres
with helping to create this record sales pace which totaled 5,618 for
the year, 51.1 percent ahead of the same period in 1995.  The Centres
alone accounted for 42 percent of sales out of the 97 U.S. dealerships.
There will be a total of approximately 70 Land Rover Centres by year
end, company officials said.
    This remarkable sales growth has led Land Rover to begin
construction on a new $10 million national headquarters complex in
Lanham, Maryland.  A 60,000 square foot building will be joined by a
companion facility for Land Rover University, the training and
development arm of Land Rover North America.  Both sites will feature
their own off-road demonstration tracks designed by John Cummings, who
was responsible for landscape composition at EuroDisney.
                             SALES SUMMARY

                   MARCH'96    MARCH'95     Y-T-D-'96       Y-T-D'95
                 1,764(+1.3%)   1,741     5,618 (+51.1%)     3,719

    Range Rover     587(A)        563         1,828          1,168

    Defender 90      57(B)        114           372            255

    Discovery     1,120         1,064         3,418          2,296

    (A) Includes 4.6 HSE, 4.0 SE and '95 County Classic.
    (B) 1995 model

    The consolidated monthly U.S. sales totals for the two companies
was 9,998 units (BMW: 8,234; Land Rover: 1,764).  Consolidated
year-to-date sales totaled 26,850 (BMW: 21,232; Land Rover: 5,618).
    Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of
Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull,
England.  The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW, AG.
    -0-                  4/3/96
    /CONTACT:  Bill Baker or Jenifer O'Brien of Land Rover,
301-731-9041/

Copyright (c) 1996 PR Newswire

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:12:07 GMT -0600
Subject: Shackles

Sorry for the crosspost, but someone was asking how I mounted 
shackles on my LR and I can't remember who it was.
 You can sort of see them in a photo. Next to the 
bumper overider there is a heavy (about 1" thick) metal tab mounted 
with the bumper mount bolts. The screw pin passes through a hole in 
that. I'll get a better photo soon.
You can find the photo at:
http://www.cdr.wisc.edu/staff/trowe/trowelr.html
And you'll also see why my friends in Vermont  took to calling my LR the 
Antichrist. Had nothing to do with "The Gods Must Be Crazy".

ps. Friday I'll have the server down, so if you can't connect, try 
later.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 	Thu, 04 Apr 1996 16:25:23 -0800
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Re: Disco Oil Filters again

>	Does anyone have any idea what the anti-drain check valve  
>DOES? I have used the Fram PH 8A long type for quite a while now and  
>have had n oproblems with them. John Friedman

There should be two valves in the filter. One at the closed end of the 
filter (at the bottom of the hole when you look inside) and one around
the edge covering the circle of little intake holes. The one covering 
the the little holes is the anti-drainback valve. It's made of rubber 
and appears to look like a large washer. I have never seen a filter 
without this valve. This stops the oil from flowing back into the sump
so there is oil availible immediatly at startup.
The valve at the top is the filter element bypass valve. If the filter
clogs up for some reason it will open to allow unfiltered oil 
to pass to the bearings, etc. I use the PH8A on my IIA with 
the spin on adapter. The American made ones appear not to 
have bypass valves wereas the Canadian ones do. I use
the Casite version of the PH8A. 73

Chris "Filter Man" Youngson
West Vancouver, BC, Canada
1965 109

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 19:20:06 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>
Subject: Another LR Dealer

Just drove by a new LR dealer being built in Rockville, MD.
That now makes 3 within 20 miles of me, this one is about 5
I have one a few miles from my office and my wife has one a few miles from
where she works.

There everywhere!

Gary Mitchelson
Racal Recorders, Inc.
garym@racalrecord.com
N3JPU

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From: mcdan@rt66.com
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 96 17:31:38 +0700
Subject: Re: Disco Oil Filters again

> Some time ago there was discussion of the various substitutes for the  
> expensive LR oil filter. The Fram PH 8A and its copies like the AC  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> not have a check valve and appears to offer less filtration and no  
> gain over the very easy to obtain PH 8A type. 

After this discussion, I went to my local auto parts store and Fram lists
the PH-16 under Range Rover. If it doesn't have the check valve and Land
Rover requires one, then I am willing to bet Fram is open to some liability
claims!

I will check into this further and report back.

Daniel McDonough
mcdan@rt66.com

95 D-90 Ragtop (Manual Transmission and Hand POWER windows)
95 D-90 SW

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 17:01:06 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: new rubber...help

At 01:59 PM 4/3/96 -0500, RICHARD COLEMAN wrote:
>           More questions....did you buy these locally or
>         mail order and can I ask what you paid. I've found
>         I can save $$ by buying mail order e.g. Tirerack,
>         Tire America, or Discount Tire. Thanks for the
>         reply and I'll let you know what happens.

Of note...

I talked to TireRack (or one of those mail-order tire sellers) about getting
studded snows for my Disco. They were incredibly uninformed.

1. They had no clue how to substitute anything for the unusual stock tire
size on the NAS Disco (235/70-16?).

2. Their information was incorrect about the studdability of certain tires.

3. It was sort of like talking to a rock.

I think these places are useful if you know exactly what you want, and want
to shave a few dollars. I've found, however, that I usually can get within
$35 or so (set of 4, taking into account mounting/balancing costs) of what I
can buy for locally, and frankly would rather support the locally owned
shops. Free rotation usually get's thrown in as well.

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:16:05 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Springs

At 01:12 PM 4/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Another related question I've always been curious about is the front 
>>radius arm bushing changes you mention; I know that in the mid 80's they 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>Hunter and '87-'90 RR's.  The '92 County had the 150 lb./in. single rate
>springs in back.
>Kevin Kelly

Also the older Range Rovers would sit lower due to the failure of the Boge
self leveling unit in the back.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover (still level but with new springs and shocks, bushings soon)
Newport New Hampshire USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:54:58 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Another LR Dealer

At 07:20 PM 4/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Just drove by a new LR dealer being built in Rockville, MD.
>That now makes 3 within 20 miles of me, this one is about 5
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>garym@racalrecord.com
>N3JPU

That is nice.  The two must be Tischer(sp) furthur east in Maryland and HBL
in Tysons Corner Virginia.  I tried Rovers from both those dealers when I
lived down there.

I am hearing I am going to have a third dealer "near" me.  Talk says one is
going into the Portland Maine area.  This will mean I can drive into Maine
along with Vermont or Mass and still be only two hours from the nearest
dealer in any direction.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire USA   603-863-7883
>Just drove by a new LR dealer being built in Rockville, MD.
>That now makes 3 within 20 miles of me, this one is about 5
>I have one a few miles from my office and my wife has one a few miles from

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 03 03:31:44 UT
From: "Don Grabow" <DynaconDon@msn.com>
Subject: RE: First cut is the deepest . . .

What are you going to cut???
----------
From: 	Robert A. Virzi
Sent: 	Monday, April 01, 1996 5:08 AM
Subject: 	First cut is the deepest . . .

Dave McCormack sez:
        Gonna take a hack saw to my Disco.

Don't worry Dave, the first cut is the only one that hurts.  ;-)  If you do
it with the end cap on the truck, be careful not to bend the bracket one
the outside.  The end cap is much less firmly attached there.

Besides, a new end cap only costs about $35.
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marit_=26_Bj=F8rnung?= <bjjen13b@telepost.no>
Subject: Oil filter, Oil pump, Water pump and front cover - Rover V8
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:51:42 +-200

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The discussions regarding oil filter/oil change etc has prompted me to =
retype the following from Land Rovers "V8 Engine Service Training =
Manual" part no. SMR678TM. It refers to drawings which are very useful =
as they are the only ones I have seen showing principle arrangement for =
this engine. For those particularly interested I can perhaps fax a copy =
directly.

Oil Pump, Water Pump and Front Cover Summary.

It should be noted that a number of different types of front cover and =
water pumps have been fitted to the V8 engine to accommodate different =
engine installations, but the major changes took place at engine suffix =
F when the oil pump gears were made longer to increase the pump =
capacity. This was done to improve lubrication of the timing chain and =
distributor drive gear which involved redesigning the front camshaft =
bearing, spacer and drive gear seen in Fig. 73.

At the same time the distributor was fitted with a swivel drive coupling =
to the oil pump seen in Fig. 74. The oil filter by-pass valve was moved =
from being housed inside the pump cover and is now located inside the =
oil filter.

These changes which effect the oil flow through the pump cover and =
filter warrant explanation. Explanation see Figs. 75 and 76.

Assuming that the filter is not blocked, then oil will be drawn from the =
engine sump into the pump, which forces it through the filter to the =
engine bearings etc.

The quantity of oil which the pump forces through the system is always =
slightly greater than the leakage at the bearings, tappets, =
rockershafts, camshaft and timing chain, provided of course none of =
these components is excessively worn.

Assuming none of the parts are worn, then the system will be =
pressurised. This pressure is controlled by the relief valve ("RV" on =
Figs. 75 and 76) which opens to allow excess oil to return to the pump =
inlet.

If the filter becomes blocked the by-pass valve "BV" will open to =
maintain a supply of lubrication to the bearings etc. The by-pass valve =
is in the pump body on early models as seen in Fig. 75, but is part of =
the filter on suffix "F" models and onwards seen in Fig. 76.

The filter threads are different on each type so it is not possible to =
screw an incorrect filter into position. However, care should be taken =
to use only genuine Land Rover parts, as spurious parts filter =
manufacturers are not always aware of such changes.

When changing the oil filter make sure that the pressure relief strainer =
"S" in Figs. 75 & 76 is clean. Blockage of this strainer can cause high =
engine oil pressure, which as well as resulting in oil leaks, may be the =
cause of loss of engine power. Excessive oil pressure can cause the =
tappets to hydraulic and hold the valves open.

One other important point is that when changing the engine oil it is =
advisable to drain the sump and refill with fresh oil before removing =
the filter. This is a simple precaution to prevent an air lock =
developing in the lubrication system.

Fig. 77 shows the relationship between the filter and the strainer in =
the sump. Where it can be seen that if the sump drain plug and filter =
are both removed there is a possibility of the interconnecting gallery =
draining of oil. Once the gallery has drained - and an airlock has =
developed - it will be necessary to either pack the pump gear recess =
with "Petroleum Jelly" or pump oil into the system via one of the plug =
holes also seen in Fig. 77 to ensure the system will reprime.

A new filter should always be filled with oil before fitting, which =
assists in rapid prime, even if the gallery has not "Airlocked".

Regards
Bjornung Jensen
Norway

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Date: 05 Apr 96 08:40:52 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Another LR Dealer

     
     There are due to be 2 more locations in Mass, on the Northshore LRMW 
     is teaming up with Acura/Isuzu in Peabody to sell cars. AIP has been 
     practicing with 2nd hand units for a while, no idea when that will 
     officially open, but Jim Pappas may know.
     Also, LRMW is planning on another outlet South of Boston, in the           
     Hanover/Marshfield etc area. 
     Regards
     Chris Browne
        

> Subject: Re: Another LR Dealer
> Author:  INTERNET:lmkessler@srnet.com at CSERVE
> From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Another LR Dealer

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 06:25:59 -0700
From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com>
Subject: Re: Tricked D90 gearing

Barnett,

In my pre-Discovery days, I modified a fullsize Bronco to
31 X 10.5 BFG muds and 4.10 gears (from 3.55s). A local 
speedometer shop custom made an adapter to correct the 
speedometer and odometer. Total cost was about $30. 
The speedometer was deadon up to 70 mph and only off a 
couple of miles per hour at 90 mph. With the adapter, 
the guages won't need to be re-calibrated. Now, granted
this is a "common" Ford versus the Land Rover, but I haven't
actually checked it out, need to pay off the Discovery first.
Could give them a call and ask if an adapter could be made
for a Land Rover if you are interested.

Mark Murphy
mmurphy@evolving.com
1995 white 5spd Discovery
Denver, Colorado

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:49:26 -0500
Subject: Fwd: L/R Defender needs your vote!

Here is some more info on that FourWheeler Defender...
I sent mine in...
John P.
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Forwarded message:
From:	BRITPAC@aol.com
Resent-from:	daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us
Reply-to:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
To:	mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
CC:	BRITPAC@aol.com
Date: 96-04-04 14:26:48 EST

Those of you familiar with Four Wheeler Magazine's "Top Truck" competetion
may have lamented the lack of Land Rover participation. Now's your chance to
fix that! For 1996, Don Mousseau (Member of SoCal Land Rovers) has made the
final 60 cut (out of 200 entrants), and his truck appears in the May 1996
issue (#49). 

His '94 Defender 90 is equipped with a plastic hard top, ARB bumper with Warn
10,000, 4:70 gears (Series stuff) with Air Lockers, steering protector, and
diff guards (all supplied by BP). He's also added other goodies, like homeade
rockers (tread plate and box tube) and Ready Air system.

Here's where you come in: he needs your vote to make it into the final
competetion! The competetiors are chosen by popular vote, but you MUST buy an
issue and send in an ORIGINAL ballot for it to count (cheap ploy, but it's
worth it; there's also a long term road test article on Discovery). Don will
be up against things like V8 Toyotas, big ass Blazers, Jeeps (all
variations), old Chevy and Ford pickups, a Unimog, Scouts, and some pretty
serious customs. Your ballot needs to be mailed in by May 1, 1996, so don't
hesitate. Only 10 finalists will be chosen, and we really want a Land Rover
represented, don't we?

Don is convinced he can win the thing. The course is a tough one, and Don is
no stranger to off road (old Toyota guy), and has already had the D90 on it's
side! The course requires a good balance of abilities, and while he dosen't
think he can win every section, he believes the attributes of the Land Rover
will allow him to finish near the top in all areas, thereby scoring a win on
points. This would be especially sweet, since the D90 would be closer to
stock than almost any other entrant.

Won't you please help in getting him in? Buy the magazine, vote for number
49, and send it in right away. Thanks!

Steve/BRITPAC   Please forward this to other lists and groups.

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