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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:52:49 -0300 (BST)
From: hdavies@kzin.mon.rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: re: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

David Brown writes;

> put it! Obviously, center of the roof is the ideal location
> functionally, but I'm looking for suggestions....

I mount amateur radio antennae on mine on gutter mounts. If you want the
antenna in the centre of the roof, then put half a ladder style roof rack
on the RR in line with the 'B' pillar and mount the antenna on that. My
cellphone antenna is on the centreline of the roof, at the back, just above
the tailgate.

Aluminium makes a fine groundplane - most antennae are made from
aluminium.

> Please advise me on your opinions. What do you Range Rover owners do?

We don't have CBs, we have satellite cellphones.	:o)

Regards,

Hugh, G0CNR, '89 RR.
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:58:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: replacement shocks

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Rob Legerio wrote:
The ranchos were 5000 series the factory was called and I was assured they
were the corect ones. The rf failed about a week after the install. Ill
bet that if anyone takes the time to remove their shocks and checks them
for compressability they will find either "dead spots" in the compression
travel or as in my case the shocks are still lying on the floor of my
garage fully compressed. Im contemplating shipping them to rancho but it
still makes me to mad to think about it.
to all you rancho junko owners --- good luck I hope you have better luck
with them than I did!

> > I just replaced my RR shocks with bilsteins which replaced the rancho
> > junkos that replaced the original-ranchos lasted about 2 weeks -- I have a
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>   ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
> =============================================================================

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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 11:27:44 EST
Subject: Land Rover on the Internet

       
     LAND ROVER DRIVES ONTO THE INTERNET
     April 9, 1996, 7:28 PM EDT
     
     New Web Site Address is: http://www.LandRover.com 
     
     LANHAM, Md., April 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Land Rover North America's new 
     home on the Internet is open to the public with an array of news, 
     features and product information including Quick Time Virtual Reality 
     (QTVR) tours and one-click exterior color changes for the vehicle 
     selected.
     The site's Uniform Resource Locator (URL) is: 
     http://www.LandRover.com.
     In announcing the launch of the site, Charles R. Hughes, president, 
     Land Rover North America, Inc., said, "Our Web site makes it easy for 
     users to thoroughly brief themselves on our products and, as it grows 
     will become a gateway to the Land Rover lifestyle as well."
     A main section is devoted to the Camel Trophy Adventure with 
     background information and photos as well as daily updates and 
     additional photos from this year's trek. Now underway until April 21 
     in Borneo, teams from 20 nations are driving Land Rover Discoverys 
     through the jungles of Kalimantan, Indonesia.
     The Netscape browser and a fast modem (14.4K or faster) is recommended 
     for best viewing at the site. Visitors will be able to download 
     Netscape Navigator at no charge, as well as free software to view the 
     QTVRs and a Land Rover screen saver. There are QTVRs for both the 
     Range Rover 4.0 SE and the Discovery. They permit zooming and stop 
     motion for detailed study of the products and are available in either 
     high or low resolution.
     Product information on the Web site covers all the descriptions, 
     specifications and accessories in the printed catalogs for Range 
     Rover, Discovery and Defender 90. The catalogs themselves can be 
     ordered from the site via E-Mail.
     An interactive Dealer directory responds with the name, address and 
     telephone number of the nearest dealer when a visitor to the site 
     inputs a zip code. A special section of the Dealer Directory is 
     devoted to Land Rover Centres, the nation's first network of 
     dealerships devoted exclusively to four-wheel drive vehicles and the 
     four-wheeling lifestyle. The Centres section provides a brief 
     description of this new approach to automotive retailing wherein the 
     dealers' sales and service staffs add value to the purchase and use of 
     a Land Rover vehicle. The Web site was launched April 9.
     Land Rover North America, Inc., is a member of the Rover Group of 
     Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover in Solihull, 
     England. The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW, AG.
     © PR Newswire. All rights reserved. 
     

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:23:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Maintenance for OffRoading

75051.2034@compuserve.com,Internet writes:
>I purchased a 94' Defender 90 two weeks ago and finally got it off
road over
>easter sunday.  What a blast!!  I live in Baltimore and most of the
nearby sites
>to offroad have many large (20' long X 2'deep) mud puddles, Although I
did'nt
>have any trouble navigating through, and I know these trucks are built
for much
>worse conditions than these, I was wondering exactly how much
maintenance, in
>the name of maximum longevity,  is required after a couple of hours of
playing
>in the mud.  I know the wading plugs should be installed, but I am
mainly
>concerned with the wheels/hubs and mud on the engine. Thanks.

Glad to see you're getting your money's worth.  <GRIN>  I've had mine
offroad quite a bit.  I usually go over the vehicle after any extensive
offroad time.  I clean the undercarraige and engine with a power
sprayer and look over hoses, brakes, and structural/suspension
components superficially.  The things that are sensitive to the mud
caking are the alternator and the radiator fan (more so if you have
AC), so make sure and keep these clean.  If you lose charge or start
overheating, rinse as best you can with the cleanest water available
and you should have no further problems.  Other than that, it can take
one helluva beating, so enjoy and just keep an eye out for the unusual.

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:05:57 +0000
Subject:       Re: replacement shocks

I have them on a Disco and like them alot I think I have seen them 
advertised for RR also in various 3rd party parts flyers.

I think you would be pleased with them

Tomw. just an opinion

> Date:          Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:29:32 -0400
> From:          RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN)
> Subject:       replacement shocks
> To:            rro@playground.sun.com

>          CSOers,
>              Doug M. has suggested OME (Old Man Emu) shocks
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>                         Rick
>                         90 RR
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Green Monster"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:23:14 -0400
Subject: Great spelling error!

>From www.landrover.com in the vehicle specs for the Camel Trophy:

ENGINE                 Intercooked, turbocharged direct-injection
diesel engine with four cylinders in-line
 

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:55:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Summer Rally Info

Last year I called Greg Chernushin's law office many times for the same
purpose, and by the time we finished playing telephone tag and I got a
reply it was too late for entries. 

So if you find out anything, please post it so we'll all know!

Many thanks

John Brabyn
89RR

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 PZavaletta@aol.com wrote:

> Has anyone received any information about this summer's rally in/near 
> Crested Buttee from Greg Chernushin? I've put in two calls to his law 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Peter M. Zavaletta, Esq.
> '95 County Classic (Winston)

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From: Ernie Brooks <ewb@mickey.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Seeking Disco Info
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 19:50:46 EDT

Hi Coil-Sprung_Owners (and wannabes like myself).  My wife & I are hoping
to land a DISCO in the near future (end of April) and I was hoping to get
some insight beyond what's available from the folks in the showroom - as
well as sharing my future experiences with fellow CSO's.  I was hoping to
find a FAQ for this list, but haven't stumbled upon it yet.  If there is
one, please let me know.  Also, it appeared that I should be able to grab
the digest version of the list for previous months, but so far I've only
been able to get old postings by day - lots more retrieval.  Any truth to
the monthly compilations?  I've sent Major a request for "index" and "info"
but haven't gotten a reply as yet.

Enough general wind blowing (or key-striking), its time for a real question
(Enquiring minds want to know) :

What the hell is this Disco rear speaker fountain option thing all about?
Is this just a worm to hook newbies with - if so, you got me.

Perhaps more seriously, can anyone tell me how the Disco's full time 4WD
functions?  I assume there must be some sort of open differential in the
transfer case to accomodate different rates of rotation front to back, but
I haven't gotten a real answer from showroom or LR NAS people on this
relatively straightforward question.  Does anyone know if there is a reason
for not including a 2WD option - seems to me that 2WD has to provide better
fuel efficiency than a permanent 4WD system (even with a non-locked center
differential) when conditions call for that mode (70 deg, dry, Interstate).

Your comments are much appreciated.

Ernie (can't stop singing "Disco, Disco Truck") Brooks
ewb@mickey.dt.navy.mil

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

The through glass antennas can be very good in performance  -- no doubt 
they vary like everything else.

Regarding where to mount the CB itself, I put mine on the lower front of
the drivers seat behind my legs -- almost invisible but handy. Gordon
Kallio has a neat arrangement in his 92 RR with the CB in the center
console, mounted vertically in the front of the compartment so the
controls are handy and the thing doesn't take much of the available space.
He used a rear bumper mounted antenna which he found very poor in
performance though. 

Cheers

John Brabyn

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 apollard@arinc.com wrote:

>     David, all,
>     I have a CB set up for part-time use in my '87 RR.  The CB mounts with
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> | _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
> "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:29:51 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  90 RR purchase - update

Thanks for the responses so far.  I saw the 90 County Rover, 90,000mi.
Its got a few more door dings than I'd like and the back seat has some
scuffs.  The dealer came down to $15,000.  No powertrain warranty,
but It appears to be well maintained mechanically.  New PS box. 
Sunroof and Cruise are to be fixed this afternoon.
  
My biggest problem, and this is stupid, is that I really don't like the brown
color.  However, Its the best, practically the only, deal I've found in six
months so I hate to pass it up just on color.  Obviously fewer miles
would be good too.  If I thought I could find another similar Rover at a
similar price I would wait.  Do you all think $15,000 is a really good
price?  How often is a 90 RR going to pop up for under $16,000.

Thanks for all your advice and support.
William.

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:36:40 -0400
Subject: The Defender 90 NAS Registry

I've gotten a number of registrations for the online Defender 90
registry.  However, due to an oversight on the original announcement,
many of the replies were rejected.  If anyone would like to be added to
the registry, please E-Mail me at Jules@learnlink.emory.edu.  You may
view the pages at http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros/

The information we'd like to include is:
Number (from the rear plaque)
Current Owner(s) name(s)
E-Mail Address (if public)
Vehicle Name (if it has one)
Color
Original Dealer (place of original purchase)
Current Location (where you live)
Equipment (any extras or mods you have)
Photo (send it Snail Mail or attach a digital image and I'll put it
online)

The Defender 90 Registry is meant to be a place where you can see where
the other Defenders are and what's been done to them.  Anyone is
welcome to register a vehicle with us.  We'd like to have registrations
from people off the net as well as on, so if you know someone else with
a Defender 90, send in their information!

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: replacement shocks

Yes OME suspensions are available for RRs, and someone on the list I 
believe has used them. They sit the vehicle up an inch or 2 higher, and 
have spring rates about 20% stiffer than stock.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, RICHARD COLEMAN wrote:

>          CSOers,
>              Doug M. has suggested OME (Old Man Emu) shocks
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>                         Rick
>                         90 RR

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

I use a through the glass antenna on the windshield, and unscrew it when 
not in use. Not necessarily an optimal solution but good for going 
through car washes!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On 9 Apr 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>        Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
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> | _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
> "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: 73363.427@CompuServe.COM
Date: 10 Apr 96 15:34:38 EDT
Subject: replacement shocks

>>              Doug M. has suggested OME (Old Man Emu) shocks
         for my 90 RR but didn't know if they are made for
         this vehicle. Does anyone know and has anyone used
         them on a RR.

                      Thanks,
                        Rick
                        90 RR <<

Rick,
    Yes they are, I installed a set with the OME springs about a year ago. Got
them from Rover's North.

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 10-Apr-1996

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:19:14 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Booties

After a very slushy, salty winter here in Boston, I'm wondering if anyone
has found or is using booties (maybe they're called gaiters?) to protect
their swivel balls.  I know series owners have this option, but I've not
seen or heard of them for rangies or discos.  From what I understand, these
leather thingies are sort of conical and are fitted between the hub and the
axle to keep nasties off your balls.

I am concerned because my springtime cleanup (yes, even though we've had
about a foot of snow the past three days) showed a nasty accumulation of
salty crud around my balls!  (NO!  On the truck, you devil.)  In addition
to corrosion of these smooth orbs, it sure looks like the salt will quickly
eat away at the seals.

Anyone got a solution?
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:04:49 -0600
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: New/Used Diffs for sale

Greetings, 

Sorry about the cross post, but I've just got word of availability in the US
of several new and used diffs for Series III vehicles (and are VERY
competitvely priced!).  These have 4.70:1 gears in them, and can be adapted
for use in NAS D90's.  Also avaliable are new and used 4.70:1 ring and pinon
sets, as well as new complete housings.  If anyone is interested in
pricing/shipping ect. drop me a note, or call me directly at (505)665-1729
days or (505)983-3574 eves.  I know I'm gettin a set!
Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123 Santa Fe, NM
"Soon to take the hard top off"
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:32:07 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: replacement shocks

My dealer recommended, and installed, Bilsteins.  They're slightly less 
expensive than stock, and are much more durable for offroad use.

-Matt

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:38:02 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

Mine is mounted on my Thule roof rack, which I have grounded to the car.  
This probably gives a suboptimal ground plane, but the height makes up for 
it.  On another car, I have the Radio Shack glass mount, and it works well.

-Matt

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: why full time 4x4
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:51:48 +0930 (CST)

Ernie Brooks asks:

> Perhaps more seriously, can anyone tell me how the Disco's full time 4WD
> functions?  I assume there must be some sort of open differential in the
> transfer case to accomodate different rates of rotation front to back, but
*
Just so, there is a small open diff between the front and rear drive 
shafts.  It is lockable to provide 4x4 the same as found on part-time 4x4 
vehicles. 

> Does anyone know if there is a reason for not including a 2WD option - 
> seems to me that 2WD has to provide better fuel efficiency than a 
> permanent 4WD system (even with a non-locked center
> differential) when conditions call for that mode (70 deg, dry, Interstate).
*
>From distant memory ISTR that when the Range Rover was being developed 
in the late sixties rover went through all this. Unless free-wheeling 
hubs are used (and these present problems in their own right) there was 
only a 1 or 2% difference in fuel consumption between full time 4x4 and 
4x2 with the front axle being driven by the road wheels.  I believe it 
was reasoned that the increased safety factor of full time 4x4 was well 
worth the expence.  This was born out when the Range Rover won an 
international automotive safety award ahead of the likes of Mercedes.

By the way, you only run the centre diff locked under conditions where 
traction is being lost, to use it on a hard tractive surface like a 
highway is going to be a very expensive lesson.....

You might want to beg/borrow/aquire a copy of "the Landrover experience" 
book to find out more about the function and use of the Disco's 4x4 
capabilities.

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:50:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Summer Rally Info

>Last year I called Greg Chernushin's law office many times for the same
>purpose, and by the time we finished playing telephone tag and I got a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
>> Peter M. Zavaletta, Esq.
>> '95 County Classic (Winston)

Will do John!

Peter 

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:14:29 -0400
From: Michael Birnbaum <mbirnbau@t-m-c.com>
Subject: What to expect from a used Range Rover!?!

Hello,

I am about to purchase a used Range Rover.  I have not made up my mind
but I think I will get the a 1995 Classic or back to 1992.  Depends on
price and availability.

Can anyone tell me what I can expect to fix or deal with mechanically.
You can be brutally honest.  I would buy it no matter what.  I have
fallen in love with this vehicle and want mine.  I just need to know
what I should start saving for those 'incedentals'.

The reason I ask is because RR does not seem to stand for remarkably
reliable in the opinions of those noer-do wells I have spoke with
regarding the RR.  Please don't take this statement the wrong way.  It
is not my opinion.  I won't form my own opinion without first hand
experience.

I appreciate your help.  Hope to see you out there.

Regards,
Michael
mbirnbau@t-m-c.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:35:40 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

At 12:43 PM 4/9/96 MST, you wrote:
>FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
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>|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
>| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}

David

My cellular phone antenna is roof mounted above the rear dome light.  When I
installed it I did not consider off road hazards but it is only a 1/4 wave
(4" ) antenna.  If I see something comming I can always remove it from the base.

After my first off road trip last month I am planning to install my old CB
prior to the next trip.  One antenna solution is to use a two-fer to split
into the radio antenna.  Friends have done this but range is not great but
would work from one end of a group of LRs to the other.  Through the glass
cell phone look-a-like antennas are also available for CBs.

The solution I think I will go with is a (rain) gutter clamp antenna.  Radio
Shack still carries these for the few of us still with rain gutters.  Their
antenna allows it to be folded over while still clamped on.

BTW  the aluminum roof works fine as a ground plane for my roof mount antenna.

Let me know what you end up doing.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:35:34 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: replacement shocks

At 10:29 AM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>         CSOers,
>            The rotors and pads have been replaced all
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>                             Thanks,
>                                 Rick
>                                 90 RR
Rick

I fitted Bilsteins last fall at all four corners.  Cost was $75 each from
Atlantic British.  

Since our RR was leaning to one side I also replaced the springs at the same
time.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover  (bushings next)
Newport New Hampshire USA  603-863-7883

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