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From: DSonneborn@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:57:16 -0400
Subject: Lock-rite

Could someone please post the name and phone number
 of the company that makes the Lock-rite diff unit?
 
 Thanks
 Dean

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:51:56 -0400
Subject: Door Top Cases!

One of our club members in SOLAROS is manufacturing heavy-duty padded
cases for the doortops on series vehicles and D90's.  The case is heavy
nylon with strap-down point across the back, big zippers, a pocket for
tools & fittings, and thick foam padding (unlike the Land Rover
version).  These things are very nice and allow you to take the tops
off and carry them with you greenlaning without worry of breaking your
doortops.  He is looking for between $120 and $140 for them, depending
on how many people are interested in them.  If anyone would be
interested, drop me mail and I'll put you in touch (he doesn't have net
access).

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:47:26 -0400
Subject: Re: D90  doortops

barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com,Internet writes:
>FYI:  I remove my doortops with a 5/8" deep dish socket, the bolts have
>washer-like bosses and so I don't have loose washers, not flat ones. 
On
>mine, the "loose" parts are the plastic sleeves that locate the
doortops
>studs within the door.  On each door, one of these 2.5" plastic
sleeves 
>fits
>very tight and needs to  forcibly pushed out, and the other slips out
very
>easily after pulling off the top.  

If you take one of the PVC pipe slices that fit into your doortop holes
and place it on top of a stuck one and tap with the heel of your hand,
it should push the stuck piece through and allow you to still remove
the piece you push with.  I use a ratchet handle and 5/8" deepwell
also.  LRNA cut one of my holes off-center, so it gets interesting on
one of the holes.  The deep well socket also makes it easy to spin off
the nut without losing a finger in the door.  BTW, I also have flanged
nuts on my doortops, not separate washers.

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:14:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Wipers, the list, and doortops

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Douglas C. Marbourg wrote:

> Yea! I was wondering the same thing, but personally, I think that we need a
> great controversial thread to get things goin again! Somthing like "I'm
> gonna install 44" supperswampers on my D90. What do I need to make-um fit?"
> Or, somthin like "I don't like fuel injection on the 3.9. Anyone know of a
> Webber 6 pack bolt on?" :^) 

	No, it's dump the EFI and install 8 downdraught webers with the
	row of stacks, crossposted to the TR-8 mailing list of course... :-)

	Now, a 45DCOE sidedraught weber on a 2.25l...  :-)

	Rgds,

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:44:46 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 doortops and all:  OFF!

In a message dated 96-04-20 22:26:27 EDT,
barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com (barnett childress)
writes:

>John,
>>"waiting for a 3 "dry day" forcast... and off with the windows..."  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Aaaaahhhhhh...... to be topless again!
>Childress

THAT'S IT.   A Defender owner aint gotta put up with that kind of abuse!
 Today, April 21, All came off.  Everything.  AND tonight we're due for a
Thunderstorm, and Monday morning 40% chance of rain... AND I have to have a
wisdom tooth pulled tomorrow morn.  HA!  There, I have to drive home from
surgery in the rain with nothing but a surrey top and tonneau cover in 50 deg
F temps.  Anyone "top" that?  David?  Barnett? Others?

boy, I gotta get the Gloucester Fisherman's Cap soon.  Though late Mon, Tue,
Wed, is supposed to be dry, Thursday they call for rain... David, does that
shop do Federal Express?

Boy it was great today though, I didn't put the surrey on till dark, so I had
all day in the sun.  Took sandwiches to the boat docks, looked at mansions
I'll buy after winning the lottery, gotta sun burn, so did she... oh, spring,
what it does to us snowbelters...

OK, if it really rains hard I might cheat and bolt on the doortops, but other
than that, I'm gonna try my macho best to hold out, NO top, from here on in.
 We'll see how some 3 day spring thunderstorms treat me...

any suggestions from you rain types?

see ya
John

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 23:31:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Waterproofing the RR, Disco Recall

About the Disco recall on the timing gear-my wife's 1995 Disco was not
included in the vehicles needing attention.  Apparently it has to do with
improper hardering of the piece and possible early failure.

        The most important thing is learning what you fellow RR owners did
to waterproof you RRs, especially the bolt in the spare tire carrier well
and the front mudflap mounting holes.  I used stainless fittings with
rubber washers under steel washers and the water is still getting in! :-(
Has anyone found a source for inexpensive RR door seals, a little while
ago, AB want about $110/each for the fronts...mine are cracked and not
helping the water situation!

        Hmmmm....more traffic on the list?  How about suggestions for
possible color changes to my '87 Caspian Blue RR.  I could stick with stock
blue color, or go for something a little more daring!  How about Camel
Trophy yellow!?  Let me hear your suggestions(the interior is gray)!  Any
recommendations about having the RR re-sprayed?  What kind of shop should I
stay away from(I want a nice job, but don't want to break the bank).  The
clearcoat is starting to chip off the doors and the paint over the previous
owners fill in the rear doors is flaking off as well!

Thanks for your Help!
             Moist in Maine!  John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 01:01:21 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: Waterproofing the RR, Disco Recall

>        Hmmmm....more traffic on the list?  How about suggestions for
>possible color changes to my '87 Caspian Blue RR.  I could stick with stock
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Thanks for your Help!
>             Moist in Maine!  John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine

Now John:

Moist in Main, eh?  Who need that paint stuff?  I agree with ya that teh
Caspian Blue color is fairly nasty on such a big vehicle........especially
a rover........Hmmm...and easy quickie fix....drive through some wet
clay/mud combos......the perfect color (for all Rovers!)  *smile*

Hmm.. seriously now...if you're really going to paint it....how about a
charcoal metallic gray?  That'd look pretty nice......(although dried-mud
brown still is better!!  :-)  )

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

 

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:12:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Not so hidden winch

        There have been a few post recently regarding hidden winch mounts.
After attaching my winch, I was a bit dismayed when it appeared to me that
it could have been an inch higher as there was more room between the winch
and the bottom of the radiator assembly.  Similarly, it seemed to me that it
could have been an inch or so further aft.  These two inches are
contributing to some loss in front angle of attack (although the assembly is
still a couple inches higher than the factory air dam which I removed).  The
net result is that I can see about two inches of the spool peeking out from
between the bumper and the base of the mount.  This, of course, contradicts
the notion of the "hidden" or "discreet" winch mount.

        Well, no more dismay.  On Sat. I stretched the cable and discovered
that actually being able to see the spool is muy importante.  I was
surprised at how easily the cable can pile up or spread out leaving gaps on
the spool.  I found out that getting the cable to "behave" takes a bit of
work.  Frankly, if the winch was out of sight I think it would be a big
problem.  An added bonus of the forward placement of the wich is that the
base of the mount (which is flush with the base of the roller fairlead,
provides a nice jacking point for the hi-lift.  I 'd like to claim that it
was foresight, but it was dumb luck.     

        Because my winch is visible, and the truck will be parked for long
intervals at deserted boat ramps and public hunting grounds, visted
occasionally by guys in j**ps with lots of tools, I'm trying to think of a
way to secure the mount.  Even if the bolts attaching the winch were
loosened, the winch could not come off because there isn't room to squeeze
it off the mount.  Therefore, the bolts of concern are really those
attaching the mount to the chassis - the four bumper assembly bolts.  Any ideas?

No longer winchless in Wisconsin,  hmmmmm, I wonder what accessory is next
and if my marriage will survive it?

 
David C. McCormack
95 White Discovery, Wisconsin, "MackX4"

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 6:56:53 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 doortops and all:  OFF!

>THAT'S IT. A Defender owner aint gotta put up with that kind of abuse!
>Today, April 21, All came off.!

John.....Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to here that your topless to. I drove around all weekend topless what 
a great feeling after such a long hard winter! I put the bimini top on late 
yesterday. That's how she will stay until it gets so cold that I can't 
stand it this fall. In the mornings for the 6AM commute to work on MASS 
pike I just blast the heat. In the afternoons for the ride home the bimini 
comes off.

>I'm gonna try my macho best to hold out, NO top, from here on in. We'll 
see how some 3 day spring thunderstorms treat me...

I here you. I have a garage at home and there used to be a garage here at 
work I could park in also. Driving in the rain you really don't get to wet 
as long as you keep moving. Now they have blocked of the garage at work. I 
don't have a surrey top or the half toneau yet so I guess if there is rain 
in the forcast I'd better start popping the doortops back on and parking 
the Defender with the nose up a hill so the water can run out of the 
back!!:>))

P.S. Are you going to make it to Downeast this year?

Cheers,
Barnett
Sunburnt and lovin' it
Childress
 
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Original Text
From: PurnellJE@aol.com, on 4/21/96 8:44 PM:
In a message dated 96-04-20 22:26:27 EDT,
barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com (barnett childress)
writes:

>John,
>>"waiting for a 3 "dry day" forcast... and off with the windows..."  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Aaaaahhhhhh...... to be topless again!
>Childress

THAT'S IT.   A Defender owner aint gotta put up with that kind of abuse!
 Today, April 21, All came off.  Everything.  AND tonight we're due for a
Thunderstorm, and Monday morning 40% chance of rain... AND I have to have a
wisdom tooth pulled tomorrow morn.  HA!  There, I have to drive home from
surgery in the rain with nothing but a surrey top and tonneau cover in 50 
deg
F temps.  Anyone "top" that?  David?  Barnett? Others?

boy, I gotta get the Gloucester Fisherman's Cap soon.  Though late Mon, Tue,
Wed, is supposed to be dry, Thursday they call for rain... David, does that
shop do Federal Express?

Boy it was great today though, I didn't put the surrey on till dark, so I 
had
all day in the sun.  Took sandwiches to the boat docks, looked at mansions
I'll buy after winning the lottery, gotta sun burn, so did she... oh, 
spring,
what it does to us snowbelters...

OK, if it really rains hard I might cheat and bolt on the doortops, but 
other
than that, I'm gonna try my macho best to hold out, NO top, from here on 
in.
 We'll see how some 3 day spring thunderstorms treat me...

any suggestions from you rain types?

see ya
John

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:46:57 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Not so hidden winch

At 06:12 22/04/96 -0500, you wrote:

>        Because my winch is visible, and the truck will be parked for long
>intervals at deserted boat ramps and public hunting grounds, visted
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>it off the mount.  Therefore, the bolts of concern are really those
>attaching the mount to the chassis - the four bumper assembly bolts.  Any
ideas?
>        Because my winch is visible, and the truck will be parked for long
One way I have used successfully is to run a spot of weld on one flat of
each nut. It means you need an angle grinder to get it off though. If the
winch robbers are well equipped enough to have one of these with them, then
I doubt that there is much you could do about it anyway.

 Tom
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SNL Mussel Fouling Project
University Marine Biological Station,      Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland.       Fax 01475 530601
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Date: 22 Apr 96 08:56:04 EDT
From: Jim Roth <74245.1226@CompuServe.COM>
Subject:  Warranty, Waving. etc

(Sorry if this is a dup - AOL got hung up three times while I was sending this
so I switched to over here to CIS)

Sometime Friday, Doug wrote:
> "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
>Subject: Re: Lemon/Problems & tire airdowns.
-
>The first rear diff. was my fault (don't tell anyone !^).  I got inta one
 >of those situse' and discovered what a bucking V8 can do to diff 
>spider gears.

of course, there was

>The clutch didn't really need replacing either.  It was a mechanic "try" to
>eliminate a stiff shifting trany.  Didn't help the shifting, but hey, got a

and, later, finally..

>I recently passed a NAS 110, flashed my lights, waved, then honked.  He
>looked at me like his car was on fire, then realizing nothing was wrong,
>nodded.  O'well...

Hey, is your D90 red?  If so, we pass each other from time to time.

Tell me where you trashed your diff & I won't go there. Jemez?  Sangres? Pecos?
A different thing happened to me: my converters started rattling to beat the
band.  Lucky for me I had pointed out the dents in them to the dealer (same as
yours?) right after I took delivery: they replaced them with hardly a squeak.
They should have anyway, they did it. It seems that Rover is pretty lenient
w/warranty and ol' (you know the name) doesn't miss a beat.  He looks for things
that he knows will go wrong and either fixes them or points them out so I can
camplain at some future date. Or fixes them when they ain't broke, just in case.
Good for him.  Good for me, too.  Although I almost always do my own work on
vehicles, it's mas mejor when someone else will do it for free.

Now, in defense of non-flashers/non-wavers: it might not be their (conscious)
fault! I drive an Alfa half the time. Until I got the Rover, I waved madly at
all the other Alfa owners in town. They almost always waved back. Then, one day,
I was flashing and waving, grinning and jumping up and down and the other Alfa
owners looked at me and did nothing -maybe they were on their cell phones,
calling the loony-bin. Well, I would have been, too, if someone in a Rover was
acting like that. Now I've really got check where my head (and rear) is 'cause
I'm sure I waved at you while I was driving my Alfa and YOU were reaching for
the phone.  So, please chalk it up to being dazed and confused (apologies to
Robert Plante).  Check your mirrors and I'm sure you'll see me waving - late-
but waving.

Jim
Cheers from Beautiful Downtown White Rock, Northern New Messico

'94 Disco (white, elk bars w/large driving lights, sometimes a safari rack w/4
lights; dazed & confused driver)
'88 Alfa Milano 3.0 (grey sedan; driver madly waving at you, neither dazed nor
confused but a little manic)
'81 MB 300TDT (beige, teacher wife's rolling dumpster; she doesn't wave at
anyone, not even me)

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:13:30 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 doortops

In a message dated 96-04-21 01:13:00 EDT, you write:

>I never tried that. What I do is pull back slightly on the rear slider.  It 
>then slides forward.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Cheers,
>Jeremy

Pull back on the rear slider, like trying to close it even further?  Then it
goes forward and opens?  I'll try that one too...when I put them back in.
John
(just a little dig to David and Barnett.)

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:40:12 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Not so hidden winch

At 06:12 22.04.96 -0500, David C. McCormack wrote:
>        There have been a few post recently regarding hidden winch mounts.
>After attaching my winch, I was a bit dismayed when it appeared to me that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>it off the mount.  Therefore, the bolts of concern are really those
>attaching the mount to the chassis - the four bumper assembly bolts.  Any
ideas?
>No longer winchless in Wisconsin,  hmmmmm, I wonder what accessory is next
>and if my marriage will survive it?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>David C. McCormack
>95 White Discovery, Wisconsin, "MackX4"
Dave,

What kind of set up did you get?  Is this the LRNA option?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery, winchless
San Francisco, California

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 22 Apr 96 09:45:40 EDT
Subject: Going off line for a bit

     I'm going off line for a bit until the bambino arrives, I simply don't 
     want to get a zillion messages in my mailbox if I leave the office for 
     a few days
     Please post me privately 
     regards
     Chris Browne
     95 Discovery 
     "Baron" who got a real spring clean yesterday 

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 09:54:02 EDT
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: D90  doortops

Barnett,

> FYI:  I remove my doortops with a 5/8" deep dish socket, the bolts have
> washer-like bosses and so I don't have loose washers, not flat ones.  On
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> fits very tight and needs to  forcibly pushed out, and the other slips out very
> easily after pulling off the top.  

> I am gonna remove the door panels and make those holes much larger, you 
> can't see them and it would make removal/installation much easier if they were
> bigger.

My D90 has the same setup as you describe, except in my case, the flanged nuts
on one side take a 5/8 socket and the ones on the other take a metric size, ~15mm
I think.  A real pain, gotta love it. Currently, I use deep sockets to remove them
without too much trouble. Putting them back is more of a pain because of the plastic
sleeves. To make removal easier I went in search of some coupler nuts that would
fit the doortop studs and extend just past the bottoms of the holes in the door
trim. This would allow removal/instalation using an open end wrench. I went to
a HDW store, flanged nut in hand, found a bolt that fit the fl-nut and then four
couplers that fit the bolt. The couplers were perfect in length, they would stick
out past the door trim 1/4". Only problem was, they would not fit onto the
doortop studs when I got home. Rats.   I guess the treads on the doortop studs
are metric.  Finding metric coupler nuts is going to be a bit tougher, but I haven't
given up yet. My backup plan is to make my own by welding short metal tubes to the
nuts and then welding some nuts to the other ends of the tubes.   I'm also
going to try and  glue the plastic sleeves to the studs starting with something
like RTV silicone so if I ever have to I can get them off again.

Rob

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