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From: 73363.427@CompuServe.COM
Date: 25 Apr 96 10:27:58 EDT
Subject: RR Liftgate Adjustment

I thought there was a section in the repair manual about adjusting the
length of the rods, but I can't locate.  Can anyone point me to the right
page, or better yet, just tell me in plain terms how to get the thing
operational again.  It's quite embarassing to be seen tugging vigorously on
one's liftgate(isn't it?! ;-)) <<

I had trouble *closing* mine, and after letting the dealer try to adjust it
three times, I decided to do it myself. I removed the 10 or so small screws and
adjusted the rods. It took about 5 minutes and has worked perfectly for almost a
year. I would guess you just need to turn the adjusters in the opposite
direction.

  
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:13:26 -0700
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Timing Gear Recall

David C. McCormack discovered:

> Yikes, an earlier post set forth VIN numbers subject to a recall to replace
> a weakened timing gear and my vehicle fall within the numbers:
> 151624 - 163102 and 5000000 - 501910

I had to ask at Bauer Motors, having heard about the recall only thanks to the 
list. Then there was some difficulty because the "computer link to the factory is 
down." Finally, though, the service manager determined that my Discovery was 
included in the recall. He seemed not to have heard of it until then. So perhaps we 
all ought to check periodically for recalls. It doesn't seem as if Land Rover's 
computer will flag a particular vehicle unless it's requested through that "link to 
the factory."

-- 
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Octane, was "Brief Question"
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:33:22 -0700

>If I were driving between the Rockies and the Appalachians, I'd
>consider lower grades especially if the price for self-service, premium
>unleaded is from $1.799 to $1.859 per gallon as it is in this town.
$1.859/gal! Yeeeooouuucch!  
Of course, I can hear our coil-sprung comrades across the pond
snickering already... "Those crazy yanks! Complaining about a measly
$1.859/gal (or USD 0.49/litre)."
>If I were driving between the Rockies and the Appalachians, I'd
>consider lower grades especially if the price for self-service, premium

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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:24:17 -0400
Subject: RR Liftgate Adjustment

    I don't know what year you have, but on the '87 it's super simple.  Just
    remove the obvious phillips head sheet metel screws on the lower inside
    sill of the liftgate and take off the black sheet metal covers to expose
    the rods.  The adjustment mechanism is obvious; just fiddle it 'till it
    works correctly.  While you're at it, if the push-button release is
    getting stiff to push or the key to turn, just unscrew the handle from
    the inside, remove the lock, wipe it off, oil it a little (silicone,
    graphite, whatever) and put it back together.

    I've been amazed at how many things on the Range Rover I have been able
    to fix by just taking them apart and putting them back together again,
    with just a little bit of cleaning and/or oiling.  It doesn't seem as if
    I am accomplishing anything until it's back together and suddenly works
    like new.

    Alan Pollard
    Colorado Springs

>Help!  My liftgate has been getting progressively more difficult to open!
>I thought there was a section in the repair manual about adjusting the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>one's liftgate(isn't it?! ;-))
>Cheers!   John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 25 Apr 96 09:43:13 MST
Subject: Rear lights (backup/work area) for a RR.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Warmest salutations, (that sounds SO phony) ;)

I have some square driving/fog type lights that were mounted underneath
the rear bumper of my '87 RR when I bought it. I have long since ripped
them off from 4-wheeling, but would like to have them back. (Very handy
backing out of something you never should have gotten into in the first
place at night.) I was thinking of mounting methods and locations, and
the only "safe" place I can think to mount them is directly onto the
tailgate, upside down, by drilling holes into the under side of the
ridge that runs the width of the tailgate above the license plate. What
do "you all" think? Anyone else do this? Obviously, they won't do much
good if the tailgate is open, but they will be usable, and protected
there. One on either side of the license plate.

At first, I wasn't much into drilling holes in the RR, but hey, I had so
much fun drilling a hole in the roof for the CB antenna, what the heck!
I'm on a roll!

Next... maybe a sunroof... Hmmm.... now where did I put that fire axe??

Dave (never enough luminosity) Brown

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:17:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: LT77 Reverse Gear

Stupid question of the day.  Is the LT77's reverse gear synchronized?

Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 25 Apr 96 14:01:40 EDT
Subject: Re[2]: Timing Gear Recall

     
     GULP!
     I'm safe 
     My Vin ends in 126908 built nov 94
     regards
     chris browne
     Breathing EZ in Mass

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Date: 25 Apr 96 15:12:44 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Old Man Emu suspension

Installed the OME springs,shocks and steering damper in my Disco yestersay and I
do like it. The Disco is sitting 1.5" higher, making room for 235/85 MT's. Ride
is near stock and handling is better thanks to the stiffer shocks and damper.
Took @ 3.5 hours to do it myself-no mysteries. Have a 17 and 19 mm socket
available as you'll use them alot. Don't bother with spring compressors just use
the bottle jack to push the axle down to releast the coils (minding the break
hoses). I'll try it off-road this weekend and see what the axle travel is like.
ARB claims 1.5" more in the front and 2.25" more in the back!

							Mark Ritter
							well equipped 94 Disco

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: LT77 reverse
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:34:00 EDT

Doug asks:
Is the LT77's reverse gear synchronized?

No.  The forward gears are, however.  For anyone trying to tell if they have 
an LT77 gear box, reverse is to the left and up.  In the R380 box, reverse 
is to the right and back (I think).  I have an LT77 and reverse seems 
fine--no harder to shift into than any other gear.  I believe LR switched to 
the R380 box towards the end of the '94 D90 run.  The 95 D90s should all 
have the R380.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

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Subject: Re: LT77 Reverse Gear
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

 
 Stupid question of the day.  Is the LT77's reverse gear synchronized?
 
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
 Santa Fe, New Mexico
 (505)665-1729
 marbourg@lanl.gov

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	NOPE! That was a benefit of the R380.

	Rgds
	Mike Fredette

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Subject: 97 D90 availability
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:28:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>

   Just got off the phone with a friend of mine who works for LRNA
   and the current rumor mill on 97 D90's is this. They will start
   building them for North America again starting in Aug of 96, with
   deliveries to start in late fall and the build will continue until
   Aug of 97 when production will again be halted. The Aug 97 date is
   the result of the airbag law which mandates that all vehicles
   manufactured after that date will have at least a drivers side bag.
   They hope to bring in another 2500 or so, as many as they can build
   really, before the deadline. They will be AUTOMATIC trans ONLY! No
   airbags, hard top station wagons will appear first for the winter
   season, and soft tops arrive in the spring. That's rumor control
   for now, though this person is in a fairly good position to know.

   Rgds
   Mike Fredette
   Portland, Or
   94 D90 1325 QZMODO

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: LT77
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 17:36:00 EDT

Doug asks:
How bad is your "grind" going into reverse, and
how well does your LT77 shift when cold?  I sometimes have a hard time goin'
into 1st.

The "grind" going into reverse is not too bad.  Mild enough that I don't 
think about it (or maybe I've just gotten used to it).  It does get gooey in 
the cold, and sometimes it doesn't like to go into first.  Living in NJ 
(land of the impatient, horn-happy driver), when I'm first in line at a 
light I usually try shifting it into first before the light turns green. 
 Sometimes I have to shift into second then back into first.  On occasion 
I've just started in 2nd.  When I first got my D90 (4,500 miles), it 
sometimes would stick going into 4th--like the shift lever was catching on 
something.  It has since seemed to work itself out (12,500 miles).  Anyone 
else have problems with 4th?

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: RR Liftgate Adjustment
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 08:20:00 EDT

>Help!  My liftgate has been getting progressively more difficult to open!
>I thought there was a section in the repair manual about adjusting the
>length of the rods, but I can't locate.  Can anyone point me to the right

Hi John

Well you certainly aren't alone on this front.  I had a '76 and it would 
just keep popping open, I had to tie it closed with a length of rope from 
the handle down to the tow bar.  Since then I have had an '82 and an '85 
which have both suffered the same fate as you.

There seems to be a combination of fixes.  (Have you noticed if it is just 
one side the sticks??)  You can adjust the location of the catches on either 
side (some also have spacers/washers under them which can be removed).  This 
is very much trial and error and can take a lot of patience but should 
achieve the desired result.  The other thing is actually behind the push 
button there is (or used to be) a small plate held there with four phillips 
heads (or posi drive) screws.  Remove this and you will see the mechanism 
that actuates the rods that engage/disengage the catches on the sides.  You 
should be able to make adjustment here as well.

A combination of these things should fix it, that's if you can get it open 
to start with.  Try pulling it to one side as you press the button and pull 
up (away from the side that's sticking).

I currently have a '90 and so far no problems!! (fingers crossed).

Good luck!!

Simon

Sydney

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 25 Apr 96 16:11:25 MST
Subject: What is your favorite spark plug?

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

I am needing to change plugs (and probably wires) on all my rigs. Well,
at least the ones that are running and liscenced. What plugs do you
prefer (brand and number) for:

  1. '87 Range Rover

  2. '70 Land Rover 109.

The 109 seems to run hot all the time. Always near the top of the
"normal" range, just below the red line. Can a different heat range
correct this? What is supposed to be in it? Right now, it has Champion
N9Y in it.

Thanks a bunch! Dave...

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:05:44 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Octane, was "Brief Question"

At 09:33 25.04.96 -0700, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:
>>If I were driving between the Rockies and the Appalachians, I'd
>>consider lower grades especially if the price for self-service, premium
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>snickering already... "Those crazy yanks! Complaining about a measly
>$1.859/gal (or USD 0.49/litre)."
True enough, but I'd bet not many of our brethren across the pond drive 80+
miles per day back and forth to work.  If we paid the prices they do, we'd
probably not have such outrageous urban/suburban sprawl, and have proper
public transit systems.

My two cents.  Feel free to by a thimble of gas with it.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

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Date: 26 Apr 96 03:47:11 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: New 4X4 XPC tires for RR?

...
> The other option appears to be going to 225/75 16s and getting BFG ATs
...
>I've heard several stories, some that this size works fine and also that it
>will destroy my rover.  The dealer of course says I will condemn my
...
> Any first hand experience with the 225/75?

I've done ex(p-)tensive experimenting with bigger tires and body lift on the
RR, at one stage I went to 235/80 BFG Mud Terrains... My babblings on this
are, I think, tucked away somewhere on one of the web sites, not sure...
Anyway, to cut a long story short: 225/75 16 BFG ATs are fine on a RR and
handle very good, with the following caveats: Your springs must be 'as-new',
and the steering lock stop or whatever it's called has to be adjusted slightly
so the tires, when new, won't rub on the radius arms. This will marginally
increase your turning cycle. No other modifications neccessary. (This only
applies to the _Classic_ RR, of course. Going to bigger tires on the new model
is not only disadvisable but dangerous for various reasons, maybe this is
what your dealer was refering to).

Enjoy,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 26 Apr 96 04:46:09 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: RR Liftgate Adjustment

> Help!  My liftgate has been getting progressively more difficult to open!
> I thought there was a section in the repair manual about adjusting the
> length of the rods, but I can't locate.  Can anyone point me to the right

How old is your RR? And, I've noticed you live in Bangor, Maine where the
air is presumably humid and salty, right? Just on a hunch, disconnect
those rods and lift the tailgate by hand... my suspicion is that the
top hinges are internally rusted and seized. If it's the rods that are
in fact dampening the opening movement rather than assisting it, then the
things are definitely shot and you might as well throw them out.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 26 Apr 96 03:46:02 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Rust on RR

>I have started to see rust on the welded seam of the tailgate of my 5 month-old
>'95 RR. This vehicle has no accidents. Is this normal? Any experience with
>LRNA's response to the start of rust? I really don't want to wait 2 years for
- the tailgate to fall off to get this "bug" resolved. Is sanding and spraying

Rust starting on the backside of a Range Rover is something like an
initiation rite, as well as a timing indicator that the vehicle has just
about been run in. On the RR classic, tailgate rust was and is very normal.
The British being very tradition minded, they have apparently carried this
tradition over to the new RR models. Hopefully they have also provided for
the gearbox to start leaking in time to act as a constant rust inhibitor for
the lower body parts; this is part of the system. Until the tailgate actually
falls off you'll have to wait a long time though, the material is pretty
thick. The upper tailgate will probably go first.
(You think I'm joking, don't you? Ha! ...)

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:00:45 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Fuel prices

>True enough, but I'd bet not many of our brethren across the pond drive 80+
>miles per day back and forth to work.  If we paid the prices they do, we'd
>probably not have such outrageous urban/suburban sprawl, and have proper
>public transit systems.

If only this were true. We have expensive fuel as well as no decent public
transport. It's cheaper (and more convenient) for the mrs & me to drive in a
Land Rover from here to visit the aged parents in Bolton than it is to go on
the train (including ferry for the car). Apparently, Railtrack employees
were recently told to travel on business by car rather than by train because
of the reduced costs! Excuse me; I have to go and kick my effigy of George
Young for a while to calm down.

 Tom
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