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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:22:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel prices
gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk,Internet writes:
drive 80+
>miles per day back and forth to work. If we paid the prices they do,
we'd
>probably not have such outrageous urban/suburban sprawl, and have
proper
>public transit systems.
Actually, the fuel prices across the pond are substantially HIGHER than
ours, that's why they tend to produce more fuel efficient cars. Note
that they use a TDI engine while we get the gas guzzler.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:02:40 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Workshop manuals
I recently got my LRO Bookshop catalog and am ready to order a
much-needed workshop manual for my '88 Range Rover. But there are two
manuals advertised: the "official" manual for '86 to '89 models by
Brooklands Books (35.95 pounds, 400-plus pages) and the Haynes manual
for '70 to '92 models (10.99 pounds and 420 pages).
Anyone have experience with these books? Is the official manual worth
three times the money?
Shaun Carrigan
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:10:37 -0700
From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com (Lucas Andres Cascardo)
Subject: Re: Rust on RR
After reading some posts about rust I decided to put in my two cents.
I don't know much about RR but I have had some problems with rusting on
welded seams on my '95 D90 Wagon. LRNA gave me the standard 'contact
your dealer.' The dealer told me there would be a THREE week down time
for a total rust inspection/repair because it's under warranty. So
taking matters into my own hands I bought this stuff called Rust
Avenger by 3M. It comes in a easy to apply pen with a scraper cap. It
goes on off-white and dries black and the area is now paintable.
Fortunately, all the areas that I have treated are colored black so I
haven't bothered painting them. Has anyone had any experience with
this product. So far it has worked great for me.
Lucas Cascardo '95 D90 SW
Boston
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:25:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Soft Tops?
In a message dated 96-04-25 06:26:24 EDT, you write:
>Can
>cover just the passenger side. Very cool looking. Mine shreaded in about
>3 weeks of heavy use. Since I added a '95 Bestop Full Soft top it won't
>work any more any way. ( Snaps instead of channels:( )
Rick, I have the same setup as you, and had El Dealer install the snaps to
make the full tonneau work. So, I have the Besstop rails, and a couple snaps
over it at correct places, and it works great.
Can you offer any other info on why the tonneau shredded? Any suggestions on
how to prevent, I love the darn thing and would be very sorry to see it go
the way of the wind...
John
94 D90, surrey, full tonneau, rain, cold, scarves, mittens, hats, happiness
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:41:24 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: What is your favorite spark plug?
I am needing to change plugs (and probably wires) on all my rigs. Well,
>at least the ones that are running and liscenced. What plugs do you
>prefer (brand and number) for:
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>correct this? What is supposed to be in it? Right now, it has Champion
>N9Y in it.
Dave:
Hmm...I won;t be of that much help , but I can try........Our Disco is
still on factory plugs (4000miles), but one of our Volvos has been running
Bosch Platinums for the last 35,000 miles.....They perform
beautifully.....I reccommend them..! The Disco will get them before long
too, I am sure......
Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936
Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"
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Date: 26 Apr 1996 11:10:41 -0400
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re(2):Soft Top Options
Antonios;
Welcome to D90-um.
Speakers are waterproof, but to what extent I'm not sure. Haven't =
submerged them yet!
Depending on how hard it's raining, the bimini suffers from some severe =
backdraft that causes the inside of the windshield to become saturated. =
Keep a squeegee or a cloth handy.
Metal loops, huh? Mine came with metal/hard plastic inserts for the =
front outside edges of the front of the bimini. They sit in the rail as =
does the metal bar that is inserted into the sleeve on the bimini.
The tie-down straps that I have has a snap on the end of each one. I =
should install the mail snap through the sheet metal on the back of the =
tub, but haven't gotten around to it yet, so I just have tied a not in =
each tie-down strap and snapped it to oneof the snaps on the outside of =
the tub.
If you have the full tonneau, then removal of the front door windows is =
pretty much necessary. Kinda hard to get a good seal if you don't.
Bill
------ From: Antonios Hadjigeorgali, Thu, Apr 25, 1996 ------
I just bought the bimini top for my Defender with full safari cage. We =
had wind
gusts of 50mph and a thunderstorm yesterday in Baltimore, one of many to =
come
:-( , I folded the seats forward and they stayed dry. The speakers are =
supposd
to be waterproof, aren't they? I also was considering purchasing the =
half
tonneau but I wonder if it is worth it unless you just like the look. =
Baltimore
summers have severe thundertorms that last for minutes followed by =
rain/drizzle
from a couple hours to all day, quite frequently. Also how does the =
bimini top
do when driving in the rain?
My bimini came with two metal loops which they expected me to drill holes =
into
the sheetmetal to install. They are supposed to go next to the plastic
retainers for the window on the full soft top. I couldn't bring myself =
to drill
the sheetmetal, I just bought the truck last month , so I just wrapped =
the
straps around the rear roll cage below fender cap.
About those tonneaus, do you have to remove the side windows for the full
tonneau? And if you remove the side windows don't you get wet while =
driving in
the rain?
Antonios Hadjigeorgalis
'94 NAS D90 #359
Baltimore, MD
Bill Skidmore
Senior Network Systems Engineer
The Mitre Corp.
145 Wyckoff Rd.
Eatontown, NJ 07724
skidmore@mitre.org
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:42:23 -0400
Subject: Range Rover Sunroofs
>You mean some RR's came without sunroofs? Let me sit in yours next time
>I see you. All the RR's I looked at had a sunroof, and my head hit the
>ceiling in them.
None of the '87's and about half the '88's didn't have sunroofs. For more
trivial information about U.S. Spec Range Rovers look at my FAQ that Ben was
nice enough to put on the Rover Web:
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.RangeRover_ClassicUS.html
Kevin Kelly
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:16:22 -0400
Subject: Re: LT77 Reverse Gear
In a message dated 96-04-25 13:59:50 EDT, you write:
>Stupid question of the day. Is the LT77's reverse gear synchronized?
Doug, you'd better start numbering your "stupid question" so we have some way
to reference the answers...
John.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:16:32 -0400
Subject: Re: LT77 reverse
In a message dated 96-04-25 15:55:49 EDT, you write:
> I believe LR switched to
>the R380 box towards the end of the '94 D90 run. The 95 D90s should all
>have the R380.
I have the newer gear box, and my truck is #1336.
John, 94 D90
Madison, WI
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:22:52 -0400
Subject: Re: "stupid questions" response...
I wrote:
>Doug, you'd better start numbering your "stupid question" so we have some
way to reference the >answers...
>John.
Doug, I didn't add a smiley to this, but after reading it posted, maybe I
should've...it sounds kinda mean-spirited.
I was teasin' if it by didn't come thru...
:>)
John, Madison.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 12:56:47 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: D90 hand throttle/Soft top options.
Hi all,
Was on the phone today with Jim Mitchell at Rovers North. He told me about
a hand throttle that they have come up with.
For example; you can rev your engine up to 2000 RPM and then lock the hand
throttle. This will hold that RPM level while your out operating the winch
and guiding the cable. Cost is $85 and he told me installation is easy and
takes about 45 minutes. Sounds like a good idea for someone like me who off
roads alone a lot. Pretty neat.
Also told me that there working on a D90 cover that will fit over the
windshield and roll cage and attach to the regular top side channels. I
guess the idea being it would be easier on/off than the full top, and would
keep the rain out without having to reinstall your door tops.
Cheers,
Barnett
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:35:56 -0400
From: Jan Ben <jib@big.att.com>
Subject: RR radiator hose??
> where does that small diameter hose that branches off the lower radiator
> hose go to?
> Thanks
> Jan
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Subject: Re: LT77 reverse
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
In a message dated 96-04-25 15:55:49 EDT, you write:
> I believe LR switched to
>the R380 box towards the end of the '94 D90 run. The 95 D90s should all
>have the R380.
I have the newer gear box, and my truck is #1336.
John, 94 D90
Madison, WI
**************************************************************************
My truck is #1325 and it also has the R380.
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or. 94 D90
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:44:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: 88 rr stalling prob
To all fuel injection guru's
I am attempting to help a friend who just purchased an 88 RR because he
liked my 87. He is now threatening to shoot out my front winshield once a
year as his 88 is having a most curoius stalling prob. It starts and runs
normally for a while and then the EFI light comes on in the binnacle of
terror and the engine falters and dies. It will restart and run but the
light is on until you disconnect the battery to reset it. It will then
stay off for a day or so and then the whole sequence repeats. All vac.
lines have been replaced as well as the plastic fittings associated etc.
Everything checks out to spec according to my owners manual we even tested
the leads off of the computer according to book proceedures the only
anomoly was the potentiometer which is 300 to 500 ohms out of normal and
has to be adjusted all the way to its excentric stop to achieve this reading.
We are both Aircraft mechanic types and this is most puzzling especially
since the prince of darkness has NEVER visited my 87!!!???!!!
Anyone out there have any Ideas? help save my windshield!!!!thanks
Tebbin Salvesen
87 RR EYS edition
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:33:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: LT77 Reverse Gear
>Doug, you'd better start numbering your "stupid question" so we have some way
>to reference the answers...
>John.
Aw, gezzz...Sniff, blubber, sniff...:^(
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
"Hurt Feelings, and I don't wana' play anymore"
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729
marbourg@lanl.gov
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Subject: Re: Rust on RR
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael R Fredette" <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
> After reading some posts about rust I decided to put in my two cents.
> I don't know much about RR but I have had some problems with rusting on
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> Lucas Cascardo '95 D90 SW
> Boston
**********************************************************************
There are a number of these type products out there, 3M, Permatex and Duro
all come to mind. they are all identical and work on a cute little chemical
principal. They convert the top layer of iron oxide molecules(rust for you
non chemists) to a thin layer of iron phosphate molecules. The key here is that
little phrase, thin layer. The phosphate molecules are indeed immune to further
oxidation, but all the oxide molecules underneath are still merrily eating
away at the base metal. This is for thick rust areas. For very light surface
oxidation, you must really be thorough in removing it with a scothbrite pad
before applying the converter. It does work, but only on light areas of rust.
As for the 3 week wait for the dealer, they have loaner cars don't they? I'd
sure think about biting the bullet, it'll only get worse the longer you wait.
Kinda like a bad tooth.
Rgds
Mike Fredette
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:52:50 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: D90 hand throttle/Soft top options.
I just adjust the thumbwheel in the throttle cable (3.9L). Since
it is recommended to keep the hood up as protection from the cable
this is preety easy to do.
At 12:56 PM 4/26/96 -0400, barnett childress wrote:
>Hi all,
>Was on the phone today with Jim Mitchell at Rovers North. He told me about
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>Cheers,
>Barnett
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:37:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: What is your favorite spark plug?
A
>Hmm...I won;t be of that much help , but I can try........Our Disco is
>still on factory plugs (4000miles), but one of our Volvos has been running
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>too, I am sure......
>Arnold Yoon
Has anyone had any luck with Split Fires? Are the claims true? My mechanic
doesn't think so, but...
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
"Hurt Feelings, and I don't wana' play anymore"
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729
marbourg@lanl.gov
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:54:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: Soft Tops?
>Can you offer any other info on why the tonneau shredded? Any suggestions on
>how to prevent, I love the darn thing and would be very sorry to see it go
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>John
>94 D90, surrey, full tonneau, rain, cold, scarves, mittens, hats, happiness
John,
Yea well ya dirty rotten...Why I oughta...Okay, no more stupid
questions...Yea right!
O'yea about the tonneau. I have the full tonneau, and ripped the area where
the headrest passes into the tonneau. It was a hot day, the material got
very soft and the tear happened easily. The seats must be in the right
position (if I remember correctly in the rear position). The snaps that
attach to the dash also can become a problem (two of three pulled though the
fabric). I sent the tonneau back to the dealer. They sent it to an awning
repair shop and they reinforced the areas around the snaps with heavy
canvas. Works great, and no danger of pulling the snaps through the fabric.
Also for those interested, the full tonneau with only the driver side open,
provides extra insulation/heat on chilly mornings (looks great too!).
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
"Hurt Feelings, and I don't wana' play anymore"
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729
marbourg@lanl.gov
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:03:15 -0600
From: Ron Miller <ron@thor.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Followup to 'brief question'
While our UK friends might regard the difference between $1.25/gal gas
and $1.50 gas to be small since either number is so small relative
to what they are used to, it matters.
I am currently getting 22 mpg in my '84 Cherokee. If I were to
purchase a Disco, I would be getting worse mileage and an increased
cost per gallon. In this case, I would DOUBLE my gasoline expense.
Granted that the major factor is the mileage figure but I want to be
as exact as I can be (within reason).
Thanks for all the good info so far. The lists are much higher
s/n than the 'open' newsgroups.
Regards,
Ron Miller
Ft. Collins, Colo.
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:00:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Soft Tops?
In a message dated 96-04-26 17:08:26 EDT, you write:
>John,
>Yea well ya dirty rotten...Why I oughta...Okay, no more stupid
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>Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
>"Hurt Feelings, and I don't wana' play anymore"
Well I've gone and done it now. I've driven away one of the more "advanced"
Defender owners by my cruel, insensitive, uncaring, selfish, voracious,
omnivorous, open-mouthed, GLUTTONOUS
unsated, unslaked, quenchless, inappeasable, insatiate, rapacious, grasping,
retentive, AVARICIOUS, exacting, extortionate, and not to mention OPPRESSIVE
post.
I'm sorry.
John.
PS: I've gone out and ripped my tonneau cover near the passenger seat and
ripped 2 snaps off the dash part.
(Thanks for the info Douglas, sounds like overall it was a good fix to the
tonneau.)
PPS: For gawd's sake Doug, take that out of your signature, every time I read
it, in order to suppress my guilt, I have to go the frig and grab a micro,
I've damn near downed 4 now, and I'm havin' trouble typing!!! :>")
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:24:13 +0000
From: Raoul Posmentier <Raoul@interramp.com>
Subject: soft tops?
In the recent discussion regarding D90 soft top options several
terms were used. As summer approaches, I'm considering adding a new
top to my 95 D90. I currently have the dealer-installed full soft
top with zip-out windows. As a a newcomer to the wonderful world of
LR, I would appreciate clarification of the following terms.
Surrey top
Bimini top
Full tonneau
Half tonneau
Bestop
thanks,
Raoul
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From: DavidP30@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:40:40 -0400
Subject: Re: What is your favorite spark plug?
I, Too! would like to know what is the best spark plug! As I,ve just done a
full tune up on my 93RR, But where my question leads from is that my owners
manual sudjest "Champion RN11YCC" and the Champion book says "RN14YC" Hmmmmm?
I went with the later, hotter plug as I was having starting problems, it
seems it was a faulty coil wire, but I replaced all the ignition parts
anyway, to keep everythihg in sync. So! what is the best plug for the 4.2 V8?
Also, has anyone used/tried, any of those high-tech ignition systems, like
Accel,Mallory orJacobs???????
David 93RR (Runs strong and am looking for those Camaros that raced by my
house the other day!!! )
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:34:42 -0500
From: skillman@clark.net (Bob,Jean,Matt or Maggie Skillman)
Subject: Re: Wiper motor location for '87 RR.
>FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
> Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
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>being used instead of modern grease.
>That's the front windshield, not rear window.
The wiper motor in my 87 burned up about 2 years ago. The motor is
accessed by removing the cowl panel in front of the windshield, which
requires first removing the bonnet. Its a simple but 2 person job. Good
details are in the Range Rover workshop manual that I bought from Atlantic
British about 6 years ago (expensive but worth every penny). One tip:
don't put sheet metal back untill you verify that the wipers work and park
where you want them.
Good Luck, Bob Skillman 47MGTC, 68MGC, 87RR
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:18:25 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: lr badge on rr
Hi Paul :
Am not sure of the exact location but it looks like about 4 inches from the
bottom of the tailgate and 8 inches from the left edge of the tailgate.
Before doing so, contact RN, they've got a new badge, "Land-Rover Classic".
The "Land-Rover" portion is the same oval but underneath the lr words is the
word "Classic". p/n AWR2617.
Oscar
rental Disco
it will go off-road!!!
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 05:55:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Rust on RR
Rustoleum and a few other manufacturers now make a product that
chemically attacks rust and leaves a black, paintable surface. I used it to
prime the raw metal on my winch mount. While installing the winch, I
noticed a small amount of rust on one of the chassis welds as well. But I
didn't think to try this stuff on it - good idea!
Dave McCormack
At 06:10 AM 4/26/96 -0700,Lucas Andres Cascardo wrote:
>After reading some posts about rust I decided to put in my two cents.
>I don't know much about RR but I have had some problems with rusting on
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>Lucas Cascardo '95 D90 SW
>Boston
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