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Date: 30 Apr 96 09:23:20 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Disco tires

To the person about to replace the rubber on his Disco about the largest tire
you can run without clearence problems is a 225/75-16. This is very comparable
to the stock 235/70-16 Mich. that is SO expensive. If you are doing a little off
roading the BFG All terrain in the 225/75-16 size would be a good choice. In
fact the new Discovery XD for the trek competitions will come out ot the
showrooms on this very tire. People who have this tire tell me that it is quiet
on the road and offers a bit better performance off road than the stock Mich's.
Also with a little hunting around you could get 4 for about $500 versus $700 for
the Mich's

									Mark
Ritter

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:03:43 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re: Tow Hooks -Reply / disco loaner 

Thanks for the idea on the rear receiver.  Sometimes I overlook the
simple solutions.  Now I wonder if you could not just wrap the loop
around the receiver behind the two side support bars? 

Have you done anymore work towards the front tow hooks.  After
further talks with Rovers North I am confused about where they can go.
 RN says they replace the tie down loops which are bolted to the frame.
 This seems fine in the rear.  However, in the front my tie down loops
are 2 U shaped pieces which apear to be welded to the frame.  They
are entirely different from the flat bolted pieces with round holes which
are in the rear.  I wonder if the brush bar or maybe the plastic bottom
protector changed my setup.  The plastic protector is supported by 2
small  L shaped pieces which appear to be bolted to the frame.  Does
this make any sense? 

 I expect I need to go ahead and remove the spoiler and plastic protector
so I can get a better Idea of what is possible.  I really wish there was
some type of hook which would work with or without the spoiler (may
stick out through it like factory one did), but I really doubt it.  

Anyway, it all has to wait until the RR gets back from its engine work  at
the dealer.  I'm in a loaner Disco now.  Its nice, but I like the RR better. 
Disco has much tighter, more sports car like handling.  Probably the
newer springs and bushings as well as the sway bar.  It rides a bit
rougher I think.  It has more pep than mine and everthing seems
smoother and quieter.   However, I like the seating position and some of
the small details on the RR better.

Thanks for the advice,
William
90 RR

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:06:37 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 hub leak

In a message dated 96-04-29 22:50:40 EDT, I writed:

>Also, I did my own 15K service and haven't gotten any flack from the dealer,
>they ordered seat rails, AC vents, put in new plugs, PROM, etc... all AFTER
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>15K came and went... without them seeing the truck.  FYI.
>John, Madisonian90
Just to clear up any possible confusion:  I did the 15K service.  And after
that, around 17K, I dropped truck off at dealer for the other mentioned
service.  They ordered the seat rails after their investigation of my squeak
complaint, and they will intall the rails, not me.  Likewise for the other
stuff.  They won't give me any part to intall, it don't work that way...

John D90

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:23:46 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 hub leak

rdl@NomuraNY.COM,Internet writes:
>Looks like I've got a bad leak in my driver's side hub. Two weekends
>ago while giving the 90 a spring cleaning I noticed alot of heavy oil
on
>the inside of the rim. 

I just noticed the exact same thing after off-roading last weekend.  My
right front wheel started leaking ugly black oil down the face of the
wheel.  I couldn't determine without removing the wheel where it was
coming from and I've been wondering where the hell OIL would be in a
wheel hub.  It's in at the dealer now being fixed under warrantee (my
dealer is fairly competent) and I'll letcha know what the deal is.

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:28:27 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  Rust

Well, I'm brining in my D90 for several things, (one of them being
rust), and they said they would need it for a week. I forget who said
they would have to be without their's for 3 weeks, but the local
dealer here sounds a little more reasonable, and I can drop it off
whenever I want, so no waiting a month prior to the fix-it date.

Among other things that are going to be repaired (and should be under
warranty, no?)
- right rear speaker 
- Rust (by the front vents... it seems there was an extra thin stip
of metal attatched there without any paint, and it is rusting-it's
about the size of a half of a dime but looks like it wants to
spread), rust on the passenger door (yes! It stays open!!!!)
- Pealing foam-type stuff on the exterior roll cage by the rear of
the driver's door (that 1/4" thick foam/type stuff that covers 8" or
so of the roll cage before it re-enters the vehicle
- Cubby lock

apparently they will be able to have all this fixed (I doubt it, as
they don't usually have all the parts handy and have to order them,
so I get to make a return trip), but my fingers are crossed.

Also, I got a chance to visit Seattle this last weekend, and saw 3
D90's, (black, red, & blue), and waved to all, but received no waves
back (perhaps it was because I was a passenger in a Suzuki Sidekick!
;-). I also saw several Series vehicles, and some were in tremendous
shape! it's odd to see so many older vehicles with so little rust
when you come from a place where the roads are made of salt for 7
months out of the year.

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 13:46:06 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: fwd: Re: D90 hand throttle, 95 tail lights,rear bumper.

Some told me this post didn't make it out the other day. Sorry if you've 
already seen it
Cheers,
Barnett
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Original Text
From: barnett childress@eng@emchop1, on 4/29/96 7:27 AM:

Hi all,

Russ. Turning the thumb wheel on the throttle cable is an option. But I 
admit that I don't always "raise the hood" when winching.

Over the weekend I did a little work on my 95 D90 in preparation for the NH 
safari mud run that has been canceled! Whine...moan...groan.
Anyhow...

1995 D90 tail lights; Just about everyone on the list knows by now that 
water getting into the rear tail lights, corroding everything, and possibly 
frying the harness has been a real pain for some of us 95 owners. This has 
never been a problem with the 94's with the square tail lights, [All 1994 
D90 owners laugh here! :>)].

Anyhow I took the lights apart this weekend. Even though I clean my truck 
thoroughly after every outing, the connectors, and between the lenses and 
the body were packed with dirt and mud. There was water in all but the 
backup light and I think the only reason that was dry is that it doesn't 
get sprayed as much as the other lights from the tires.

My solution. I thoroughly cleaned the connectors with a brush and cleaned 
off all the corrosion on the pins. Then I packed the connectors with 
lithium grease. I got all of the water out of the lens cover assemblies and 
drilled some small 1/8' holes in the bottoms so the water can get out. The 
water seems to be getting in thru the connectors and to a greater extent 
around the bulb socket? The rubber gasket is rather porous. Water that gets 
in has no way to drain out and over time enough water gets in until the 
level is up to the bulb. Mine were about 1/3 rd full. 

My fix doesn't prevent water from entering, but the connectors are 
protected from corrosion and the water will drain out. From time to time I 
will re-grease these as a regular maintenance item.

I will also check the new drain holes and clean them with a pipe cleaner if 
they become clogged.

The other thing I did was remove the rear bumper. I was getting tired of 
dragging the tail on everything as I departed some of the tougher areas on 
the trail. This was easy only a few bolts to remove. My departure angle is 
much better! I never tow anything anyhow. I will put a Dixon/Bates pin 
assembly on the rear frame member for a strong attachment point for a tow 
rope, etc. An added bonus was exposing two holes in the rear frame member 
that will accept the Jackall attachment. With the Superwinch HD bumper up 
front, this gives me a solid jacking point at each corner of the vehicle!

Cheers,
Barnett
No more "Lights out" or "scrapes on my butt"!
Childress 
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From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>, on 4/26/96 3:52 PM:
I just adjust the thumbwheel in the throttle cable  (3.9L). Since
it is recommended to keep the hood up as protection from the cable
this is preety easy to do.

At 12:56 PM 4/26/96 -0400, barnett childress wrote:
>Hi all,
>Was on the phone today with Jim Mitchell at Rovers North. He told me about 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>and guiding the cable. Cost is $85 and he told me installation is easy and 
>takes about 45 minutes. Sounds like a good idea for someone like me who 
off 
>roads alone a lot. Pretty neat.
>Also told me that there working on a D90 cover that will fit over the 
>windshield and roll cage and attach to the regular top side channels. I 
>guess the idea being it would be easier on/off than the full top, and 

would 
>keep the rain out without having to reinstall your door tops.
>Cheers,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Cheers,
>Barnett
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:32:43 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 hand throttle, 95 tail lights,rear bumper.

barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com,Internet writes:
> [All 1994 D90 owners laugh here! :>)].

Nya-nya.  Seriously, we get the other problem that encountered a few
weeks ago.  One nice bump from a root or mudbank and the turn signals
pop right out of the front bumper.  I went back a week later and POOF,
there it was!  Now all I need is that silly little rubber grommet that
supposedly holds in the signal assembly.  <GRIN>

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 15:16:10 EDT
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: D90 hub leak

> I just noticed the exact same thing after off-roading last weekend.  My
> right front wheel started leaking ugly black oil down the face of the
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> wheel hub.  It's in at the dealer now being fixed under warrantee (my
> dealer is fairly competent) and I'll letcha know what the deal is.

I'll bet it turns out to be the stub axel seal. After looking over all
the responces to my post (BTW- Thanks to all who responded) and looking
over the diagrams and overhaul instructions in the service manual, I'm
pretty sure it's what my problem is.  The hub basicaly rides on the
stub axel which is a tube comming out from the swivel pin housing.
The drive shaft is inside the tube and connects to the hub at the
outside of it.  The stub axel seal keeps the oil from the swivel
pin housing from getting into the tube and then out of the end
and into the hub where it will contaminate the grease.  Another
possibility is that the stub axle itself is not tightly secured to
the swivel pin housing which would cause the contact seal there
to leak, but in that case it would not be mixing with the hub grease
and forming the nasty black stuff.  It'll be interesting to see
what they find.

Rob

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  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:19:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Hi again!

>I have no idea whether the two are the same or not, but from the looks of
>this frame the pieces have had very easy miles so the torque converter is
>probably like new.

>Last year, before I got crazy and bought the Cummins, I was seriously
>looking for a wrecked Mercedes 300 TD for the project.  I had thought that
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>products are not cheap either.
>Ducati?! what Ducati?  I have a '75 750 GT in mine.  How did I miss that?
Hope this message finds you rested and your wife still talking with you!
>Barbara is not pleased with the junky red truck next to the barn, but
>expected it and knows the end product will be worth it.  She is quite
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>Ron
>Bowdoin, Maine, USA

Ron,
      Good to hear from you! :-)  The Ducati was in the garage and is a
1994 M900 Monster with a K+N jet kit and air filter, Corbin seat, Staintune
stainless slip ons, and a couple of other goodies.  I usually let them
sweep the sand off the road before I take it out!  Last year, Midcoast
Motorsports in Searsport had an Italian day(Ducati and BMW Dealership) and
I was the one of the first to arrive in Bucksport.  There was a really old
Guzzi and another Ducati.  After about 15 minutes of despair and waiting, a
virtual flotilla of blood red bikes poured into the parking lot! :-)
Ducatis there were; 916, 888, 750 SP and CR, M900's, 2 F1s, a couple of
Guzzis, a Laverda and a couple of others...about 20 in all.  One guy drove
up from Portland and another down from Canada!  I'll let you know when it's
coming up again!  We drove an excellent route around Castine and Deer Isle
with really great roads!  When the riding was done, we went back to the
shop for a spaghetti feed(what else!) and talk.  It was GREAT!  Sometimes
you get lonely owning these individualistic modes of transport!
      I spoke directly with ZF corporation today and the fella there said
that most BMWs and older Jaguar engines would mate with the ZF4H22...he
said Mercedes doesn't use their trannies!?  I may look at some BMW choices,
but will probably settle back with the Chevy.  One place I called said I
shouldn't use a transmission built for petrol use with a diesel...something
about the gearing.  The guy at ZF said that Jaguar is the only automobile
that uses the heavy duty A-plate clutch found in the Range Rover due to the
power of their engines.  I don't know much about them, so I couldn't say.
     Jan is going to send me the TC, due mainly to the fact that the Land
Rover dealer said the TC from my 1987 tranny is not interchangeable with
the newer tranny!  Jan can get another from England for about $60 and I
told him I'd pay for it.  I feel much better! ;-)  Catch you later!

Cheers!  John

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:18:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: RR engine swap options

    Most of you have followed my rantings about putting a Chevy Vortec V-6
in my 1987 RR...well, I finally took delivery of my replacement tranny; a
ZF 4HP22 out of a 1991 RR(with the viscous center diff lock).  I called all
over hell to see if there are any other engines that I can mate up with it
and got little help.  I called ZF Coporation directly and Ron Perlow(?sp)
in the technical department said that most BMW enginew would mate up to it
and also some of the older Jaguar engines.  He also said that Jaguar is the
only car company to use the ZF tranny with the heavy duty clutch plate as
seen in the RR!  No one else uses it for passenger cars/trucks!
     I E-mailed back and forth with Sarry at Mark's adaptors in Australia.
He said that an adaptor to join a Chevy bolt pattern to the RR automatic
tranny was not high on the priority list right now and gave me the name and
number of a RR specialist in Melbourne who I will contact tonight.  He said
they may have an adaptor already in the works.  I'll let you all know!
     Any ideas about BMW engine options(seems an appropriate swap now,
doesn't it! ;-))?  I'm not familiar with the BMW specs and the various
models and internet searching reveals little information.  Thanks for any
help!

Cheers!  John Cassidy   Bangor, Maine

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: 3.5L to 4.7L kit

I was on the phone tonight(tomorrow AM in AUS), speaking to Mr. Ross Stuart
of Ritter Automotive in Melbourne, asking if his company supplied adaptors
to fit a Chevy engine to the ZF 4HP22 tranny, and he does not.  They do,
however, offer a kit for about $2,500(which includes crank, pistons and
other assorted pieces) to increase the size of the 3.5L Rover engine to
4.7L.  He has no dyno tests, but states that tests at the rear wheel
indicated a roughly 50% increase in horsepower.  He states that they also
supply high performance manifolds and exhaust components that could yield
another 15% increase in HP.
       He says that the conversion has been extremely reliable and has not
caused any problems with the stock ZF tranny.  His number is 613-9808-0266,
or fax at 613-9808-0095.  He'll be faxing me kit prices...there's no
catalog yet.  I told him about the internet lists and digests and he was
quite excited!  Especially when I told him I found Mark's 4WD on the web,
and not him!

Cheers!  John Cassidy   Bangor, Maine

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:42:53 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Sightings

White Disco, 3/4 of one at least (rear towards front), in three scenes.
NBC's The Beast, part one.

Oscar
rental Disco
it will go off-road!!!

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Date: 30 Apr 96 22:36:12 EDT
From: Antonios Hadjigeorgali <75051.2034@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: How Many D90's/East Coast Trails?/Tools

This may be a stupid question, but how many NAS D90's are there anyway? Are
there 2500 soft tops for both '94 and '95 or were there 2500 each year?  

BTW, Does anyone on the list know of good trails located anywhere between
southern PA and northern VA?, Thanks.

One more question.  Where can I get a 13mm sqaure drive to remove the drain and
fill lugs on the differentials?  The guy at Home Depot looked at me like I was
crazy when I asked and the dealer here doesn't sell tools.

Antonios Hadjigeorgalis
Baltimore, MD
'94 NAS D90 #359

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:19:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Hi again!

rovah@agate.net,Internet writes:
>      I spoke directly with ZF corporation today and the fella there
said
>that most BMWs and older Jaguar engines would mate with the ZF4H22...he
>said Mercedes doesn't use their trannies!?  I may look at some BMW
choices,
>but will probably settle back with the Chevy.  One place I called said
I
>shouldn't use a transmission built for petrol use with a
diesel...something
>about the gearing.  The guy at ZF said that Jaguar is the only
automobile
>that uses the heavy duty A-plate clutch found in the Range Rover due
to the
>power of their engines.  I don't know much about them, so I couldn't
say.

I don't know how much this'll help, but there are many ready-made
plates for conversion of older Jag engines to other transmission
combinations.  My '78 series II XJ-6L had major transmission problems
and I opted for a much cheaper Chevy 400 series tranny, which at least
would cost less if I had to replace it again.  It's been running strong
for quite some time and actually puts more power to wheels more quickly
than the stock one did.  John's Cars out in Texas specializes in engine
and tranny conversion plates and may have something that could help. 
They might also be willing to manufacture something custom for ya.

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Date: 30 Apr 96 22:04:50 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: disco brushbar/winchmount for sale

I know I said I wouldn't do it but I just got talked into a ARB bumper for the
Disco. I'm going to hang onto the X9000 Superwinch, but I'm selling a very
nicely done hidden winchmount and slightly modified LR brushbar along with a
pair of HEAVY DUTY front recovery points that the winchmount bolts to. $385 for
the lot. If your interesed let me know. Pictures available on request. Oh well,
it's only $$$$$.

							Mark Ritter
							94 Disco
							"Show me a man who is
satisfied and I'll 						         show you
a failure"
					
							 Thomas Jefferson

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:46:52 -0400
Subject: BRLRC Invite

This weekend is the BRLRC Mayday rally in Parkersburg WVA. Over 40 of
Solihulls finest are slated to attend. Alas, the friends and family members I
invited to join me weeks ago have all now pulled out due to work etc.( as if
this wasnt my first Saturday off in months, the ingrates). So I am extending
an invitation to anyone who: 1. Could get to the Cleveland, Ohio area by
5:00PM Friday, or 2. is reasonably close to I-77 between Cleveland &
Parkersburg to join me, Ive got plenty of room. Check out the BRLRC homepage
for some pic.s of last years. It was great. If you are interested Email me.
Cheers. Andy Blackley 83 RR 4dr. 4sp.

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