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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:06:27 -0400
From: apollard@arinc.com
Subject: Speedometer Needle Light
Your dealer's lying. The needle is lit by a fiber-optic cable that has
a tendency to fall out. You have to remove the instrument binnacle and
disassemble it (pretty straightforward, just have a clean smooth work
area). When you get in there you will see the cable -- it looks like a
limp, insulated wire. Plug it back in at the base of the speedo needle
and it should stay for a while. While you're in there, make sure the
one on the tach is snug. I made this fix to my speedo a while back and
then the tach went dark a few weeks later. Next time I will try to find
a way to "augment" the fit so they don't fall out again. Let me know if
anyone has a good idea for that.
Alan Pollard
'87 RR
Colorado Springs
The speedometer needle light on my '88 Range Rover does not light up when
the lights are turned on. The tach needle lights up just fine. Anyone have
an idea on how to fix this? I spoke with the Rover dealer in Boise, ID who
told me it would require a new speedo. At over $200, this seems like a high
price to pay so I can seen how fast I am going at night. Maybe I should
stick with a flashlight! I would appreciate any help....
meuchel@Cyberport.net
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:39:00 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject: Camel Trophy tires - was Shocked Disco
>BTW 215/85x16 is equivalent to the 7.00r16 used on Camel discoverys
and gives you about three quarters of an inch extra ground clearance
over the 235/70
Does anyone know what tires were used on the CT RRs? Were any
suspension mods made?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:34:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jan Ben <jib@big.att.com>
Subject: JDolans v8 stroker
Re: 3.5 pistons - still available in .020 over from Silv-O-lite for $200/set,
or custom KB (Keith Black - hi-perf. line of silv-o-lite).
AFAIK, both 8.7:1 and 9.5:1 CR still available (with 3.5 34cc heads)
3.9 is stiffer block than the 3.5, bigger valves and overall better head design.
it's 3.7" (?? +/- - too lazy to check :) vs. 3.5's 3.5" bore.
Call Baker's auto or Dan LaGrou (D+D) or Hydromotive. All 3 have been building racing/boat/airplane 3.5-> 5.0's v8s for 20 years.
Lesseee, I might have some numbers...nope, not here... e-mail me.
Regards
Jan
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From: lenagham@bachman.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 96 10:40:55 EST
Subject: Re: Speedometer Needle Light
Don't forget the obvious on this problem. The fibre optic cable uses
one of the bulbs that back lights the speedo itself. If this bulb has
gone you will still be able to see the numbers (there are 2 other
lights) but the needle will be dark. I learned this lesson the hard
way!!
Mike Lenaghan
> Subject: Speedometer Needle Light
> Author: apollard@ARINC.COM at inetmail
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> stick with a flashlight! I would appreciate any help....
> meuchel@Cyberport.net
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 07:43:46 MST
Subject: Speedometer Needle Light
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
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I think I can help... When I bought my '87 RR the fuel gauge needle
didn't light up. Everything else lit up, including behind the fuel gauge
(the scale) but not the needle. I got some replies to check a fiber
optic connection (tearing the instrument cluster apart to get to it) or
carry a flashlight.
It turned out to be a dash light bulb burned out, and the one that was
burned out was at the TOP of the dash panel, directly OPPOSITE (furthest
away) from the fuel gauge! Pull the rear of the instrument cluster off,
and turn on the lights, and look for a bulb holder that isn't lit up. A
simple fix, $5 for a bulb from the dealer. (Although $5 was a bit
outrageous for such a TINY bulb if you ask me.) I think there were 3 or
4 dash light bulbs for each half of the cluster.
Good luck!
Dave (seeking the finer points of luminosity) Brown
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:48:57 -0600
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From: Craig Meuchel <meuchel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Speedometer Needle Light
The speedometer needle light on my '88 Range Rover does not light up when
the lights are turned on. The tach needle lights up just fine. Anyone have
an idea on how to fix this? I spoke with the Rover dealer in Boise, ID who
told me it would require a new speedo. At over $200, this seems like a high
price to pay so I can seen how fast I am going at night. Maybe I should
stick with a flashlight! I would appreciate any help....
meuchel@Cyberport.net
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 08:02:28 MST
Subject: Help me find a rattle
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
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Check the heat shield between the muffler and the floorboard under the
drivers seat area. Mine rattled... till I bent it up a little.
Dave (now Discoless) Brown
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:12:08 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Help me find a rattle
My '95 disco has developed a rattle that is hard to track down. It appears
to be coming from under the truck, located near the driver's feet. It does
not rattle while driving, just when in drive with your foot on the brake.
This makes it a bit difficult to diagnose because every time I get out to
find it, it stops! Oh, did I also mention it is intermittant so it isn't
always there? Seems to disappear everytime I have someone handy to help
with the diagnosis.
Suggestions for culprits appreciated. Nothing is obviously loose in the
area the sound appears to be coming from, but maybe everything sounds like
it comes from under the drivers foot because the window is open. (8^0
It's a metallic rattle, maybe like loose sheet metal of some sort.
Bob
p.s. - anyone around MA/ME/NH up for some offroad action on Sun or Mon of
memorial day weekend?
rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
+1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:51:19 -0400
From: Randy Parker <rparker@roving.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco roof rack
Agreed! It is a great looking rack...if LRNA reads this list, hopefully
they will carry this rack. If anyone has more info on this rack, please
advise.
--RP, '94 Disco
P.S. It is on page 7 of the INVITATIONS (3rd edition, 64 pgs) brochure.
At 06:54 PM 5/13/96 EDT, Mark Ritter wrote:
>Have any of you gotten the "Invitations" brouchure from LR. Great trips and
>destinations. On the second page is a blue Disco with the best looking roof
rack
>I have yet to see for the Disco. . . . .
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 09:03:35 MST
Subject: How can I improve low end torque?
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I can empathize about the lack of power at elevation. I often go up into
the mountains around Arizona USA and have the same anemic performance on
my Range Rover 3.5 EFI. Please let me know if you find anything that
helps!!!
One thing that I've heard helps is a "Flowmaster" (flow through) muffler
to reduce exhaust back pressure. I bought one, but have not had it
installed yet.
As for Lockers, I have Lock-Right lockers installed in the rear. They
help tremendously in off road situations. Power continues to BOTH wheels
even if one is in the air or losing traction. Although the Lock-Right
lockers work, and I like them, I would suggest getting something that
can be locked or unlocked on demand. ARB air lockers are currently the
only type I know of for now, but Lock-Right is working on a similar type
using electro magnets instead of air pressure. (I like this MUCH
better.) I'm not sure when they will be available, but at least not
until late this year, or early '97.
The locker replaces the spider gears in your differential(s) (front
and/or rear.) The front differential should not be locked full time as
your front wheels NEED to be able to rotate at different speeds when you
steer. (Again, lockers maintain constant force to BOTH wheels.) The
Lock-Right locker has an advantage over others in that it automatically
unlocks to allow one wheel to rotate faster than the other in the event
or steering (turning) the vehicle. This unlocking does have some
characteristics inherent to it, and that is a clicking, or ratcheting
sound when one wheel is rolling faster than the other, and depending on
conditions, (tight turns, while decelerating) can cause a "lurching"
affect as the power/ratcheting is transferred from one wheel to the
other and back This "lurching" is eliminated by applying slight throttle
during the turn, and is something that I've just learned to do as a
matter of course.
Another drawback to ANY locker is their behavior on an extreme side
slope. Locked differentials can increase the risk of sliding on an
extreme side slope. Therefore, a locker that can be unlocked on demand
is the ultimate solution.
These "characteristics," if you will, are why I am wanting to upgrade to
the "Demand locker" (electro magnet style) when they become available
for the Land Rovers. (Discovery, D90, and Range Rover)
Lock-Right can be reached at powertrax@aol.com or by phone at
1-800-LOCKERS. (I don't know if this works the same in S. Africa as it
does here in the USA though.) I have contacted the Lock-Right company
and offered to test their new locker on my Range Rover but have received
the typical "Don't call us, we'll call you" type of reply.
I know this sounds like a commercial for Lock-Right, but I really have
no association with them, just a satisfied customer. (With slight
"complaints" as I've stated above.) I know there are people who swear by
their ARB air lockers, and others that swear "at" them due to air lines,
fittings and such leaking and causing them not to function. Seems to me
that electrical connections can be made more "bullet proof" and reliable
than air fittings.
Good luck, and please let me know if I can be of further help.
Dave (long winded Today) Brown
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1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa '87 Range Rover
LIC: LION B8 Historic plates rear Lock-Right Bilstein shocks
Crane cam Optima battery
OME HD springs SSB CB radio
Phoenix Arizona USA (602) 820-8052 Hella lights (6)
Have: tools, knowledge, lodging, etc... Pager: (602) 275-2508 #6486
#=======# _________ "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ before us are tiny matters compared
| _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Ralph Waldo Emerson
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From: Philip Lochner <plochner@icon.co.za>
Subject: How can I improve low end torque?
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:04:13 +-200
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Hi guys (and gals?)
Recently bought a '95 3.9L V8(8.13:1) Discovery. My situation is that I =
stay in Pretoria/Johannesburg in South Africa which is located =
(1500meters above sea level. Its not the top of K2 but high enough to =
effect a considerable loss of torque, especially between 1000 and =
2000rpm! This is quite frustrating when you know that the combined =
effort of 3.9liters into 8 pots is not getting you anywhere!! I am =
therefore investigating various options of addressing the "problem".
I don't want to go overboard, so I'm looking for a "middle of the road" =
solution. Any suggestions? I saw an advert for the Lichfield compressor =
(which qualifies for "overboard") but I am nonetheless intrigued. Has =
anybody fitted this? Any idea how much it costs? (I've faxed them twice =
but no response yet.)
I am also intrigued by so-called "lockers" or "Detroit lockers". I =
found an article about them somewhere on the 'net but the article does =
not state how / where it is fitted. Does fitting amount to fitting a =
different diff? How much does it cost? Where can they be obtained from?
Thanks for any / all contributions
Philip Lochner
South Africa
Tel: +27 8255 70385
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 09:11:39 MST
Subject: Range Rover tiedowns
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
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I bought 4 small spring mounted tie-downs that fold over when not in
use. (They're always in use though, I never remove my toolbox and
"offroad" bin) I used sheet metal screws to attach them to the inside
wall of the RR. Close to the floor on the right hand side, and on the
rear wall just behind the spare tire, and side wall just in front of the
spare.
Only problem is I can't have the formed tire cover thing in place while
using the tie-downs. But if I ever wanted to, I could easily remove all
my "junk" and place the formed tire cover and security cover to look
completely "normal."
The tie-downs are invaluable while 4-wheeling! There's absolutely NO WAY
I could go where I've gone, and bounce the way I have without them!!
Dave (secure now, thank you) Brown
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:39:13 -0800
From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson)
Subject: Range Rover tiedowns
What do you Range Rover owners do for tie-downs? I've been using the rear
seat belt shoulder harness hooks for odd-sized things (like my bike), but
they are insufficient now that I've accrued a non-trivial amount of offroad
gear. I just can't see anything back there to clip a net or bungie cords
to!
Thanks for any hints,
- Scott
P.S. If anybody wants them, I just took the OEM running boards off my 1990
Range Rover. They're in Palo Alto and can be had for a song. I'd hate to
have to throw them away. (I'm thinking about welding them to my brother's
'78 Datsun 810...)
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:18:05 -0400
Subject: Disco shocks
Bob writes "After 20K miles, the OEM shock on the Discovery seem to be merely
decorative items now. I go off road about every other weekend, so they
do get a workout. I'm wondering if that is about normal wear for shocks,
or should I try to talk the dealer out of a set under the warranty? "
I would push for the warranty.... just clean the truck up real nice before
going in!
Gerry
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:18:00 -0400
Subject: Crested Butte
Doug writes "Hi Mark, I got your message. Following is the info I received
last week. I
hope most of the active "listers" will attend. I would be great meeting
most of ya!"
Our reservations are made. In fact, we're flying my parents out to give them
mini-vacation. Since there are 5 of us going and since my wife isn't really
in to the action off-road portion, we'll take the Discovery and our J**p GC.
This will give her a vehicle to go out in also.
I only wish it the event was tomorrow. The high for the last three days in
PHX has been well over 100! I love it!
Gerry "Cooking in Phx" Elam
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:18:04 -0400
Subject: Contured roof rack, Disco XD
I made a deal with my wife. If I stop a particular extracurricular activity
(don't let your imagination get out of hand!), she agreed to purchasing a new
Disco XD. So... we're number one at the PHX dealership. The problem is, I'm
not convinced that I want one.
Here are some more details (sorry for the repeat of certain "facts"):
"AA Yellow exterior paint finish
Matte black bonnet inlay
Special "XD" exterior badging
Contoured heavy-duty rood rack system
Castor alloy wheels with black inset and bright finish outer ring
BF Goodrich All-Terrain tires
Wrap around fount brush grill w/ LR driving lights
Front undertray protection plates
Rear ladder and tail lamp guards
Waterproof seat covers (just what I need for AZ!)
Rubber floor mats"
>From another source: the price is expected to be around $36k.
I send a fax to Safety Devices looking for information. According to their
reply, they're making the new roof rack for this model. The total height if
this rack were retrofitted to an existing Disco is 83". Cost is #650 w/
shipping estimated at #300. They also said that they have an arrangement w/
Rovers North.
My problem: height of new vehicle. My garage entrance is only 83.5" high.
Wanda says "we can always raise the entrance to the garage". She's more
excited than I am. Why? I happen to like my Discovery. It is dependable,
runs great, and I've just about got it prepared the way I want. She likes
something different especially in vehicles. Strange since she doesn't like
off-roading. I guess that makes her SUV experience like 95% of the rest of
the world's population of SUV owners.
Since we have a few months to decide, it will sure get interesting as more
"facts" appear about the new XD model.
Gerry "PHX" Elam
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 09:18:27 MST
Subject: XD Disco Info
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
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A camel trophy type of event here?? Test my personal stamina?? Damn this
wretched and aged body of mine! What if I had my son do all the
"stamina" stuff, and I never got out of the drivers seat? ;-)
Well, I can dream, can't I?
Dave (the dreamer) Brown
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| _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Ralph Waldo Emerson
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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: XD Disco Info
Date: Tue, 14 May 96 09:46:00 EDT
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Here's a clip from a LR press release on the XD Disco:
The company has also announced a limited edition Discovery called
the XD. Painted in eye-catching AA yellow, the special Discovery will
be equipped for heavy duty off-road use including skid plates, BF
Goodrich All-Terrain 225 tires, and a wrap around brush bar with Land
Rover driving lights.
Ball also announced a new Camel Trophy-style competition for U.S.
Land Rover dealers called "Trek '96." Using the specially outfitted
Discovery XDs, participants will have the opportunity to test their
off-road driving skills against one another, as well as their personal
stamina and resourcefulness. An additional 250 of these vehicles will
be available in early 1997 with a target price of $36,000.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Shocked Disco
Do you folks know if the 215-85-R16 will fit on the RR?
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
On 13 May 1996 Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote:
> When the checkbook allows I plan to get a second set of wheels
> (LR steel 5.5x16)and mount 215/85/16 (either Goodyear MT or
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> regards
> Chris Browne
> Baron
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:31:13 -0400
Subject: Range Rover Speedo Light
>The speedometer needle light on my '88 Range Rover does not light up when
>the lights are turned on. The tach needle lights up just fine. Anyone have
>an idea on how to fix this?
This is a common problem with the Range Rover, (I have fixed mine twice).
The red plastic speedo needle is lit by a little fiber optic thing and it
tends to fall out. I have typed out detailed instructions (you do have to
take the gauge "pod" out of the vehicle) and sent them to at least three
people on the LRO list. I hope at least one of them is reading this, my copy
disappeared when my Hard Drive crashed last month. Let me know and I'll type
how to fix it again if you don't get help.
>I spoke with the Rover dealer in Boise, ID who
>told me it would require a new speedo.
Most Land Rover dealers seem to hire "parts replacers" instead of
"mechanics". I bought my RR from a doctor and it is almost painful to read
through all the dealer invoices he gave me.
Kevin Kelly
P.S. Make sure you don't just have a burned out bulb
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:01:05 -0400
Subject: Swap for the UK?
What would it take for the powers that be to be persuaded to keep OJ Simpson
in the UK? I hear he looking for a less hostile place to live!
&-)
Gerry
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 10:37:56 MST
Subject: Disco shocks
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
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I brought the Disco in for warranty work once after repeatedly wallowing
through a mud pit. It was literally covered from top to bottom with MUD!
I could see mud chunks through the sun roofs.
You see, it rains SO seldom here in Phoenix Arizona that, well, when it
does rain, I go a little bit crazy. I couldn't help it! BTW, I had used
"Rain-x" on all the windows, and it worked so well that the mud wouldn't
stick to the windows. It looked like I had intentionally cleaned ONLY
the windows.
The only comments I got were related to "there's one that gets USED!" I
got LOTS of stares though. Especially when I drove up wearing a dress
shirt and tie. (On my way to work.)
When I got it back, they had washed it twice, but there was still some
mud on parts, and actually, the mud stained the plastic sill protector
and front air dam. A little Armorall spray fixed that though.
I think the last rain we had was sometime in the fall of '95.
(Seriously, unfortunately.) We NEED the rain, as they are closing some
of the national forests due to the extreme fire hazard. (I wonder if my
$88 water bill for this month is "drought related?")
Dave (praying for rain) Brown
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:18:05 -0400
Subject: Disco shocks
Bob writes "After 20K miles, the OEM shock on the Discovery seem to be merely
decorative items now. I go off road about every other weekend, so they
do get a workout. I'm wondering if that is about normal wear for shocks,
or should I try to talk the dealer out of a set under the warranty? "
I would push for the warranty.... just clean the truck up real nice before
going in!
Gerry
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 May 96 11:42:45 MST
Subject: Re: Shocked Disco
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I have heard that they fit fine. In fact, up to size 235x85x16 will fit,
but require a bit if metal trimming. Don't know from first hand
experience, or exactly where you may need to trim though. Again, this is
not personal experience, but hearsay.
215's should fit without any problems unless your springs are sagging.
Mine has 205's on right now.
Dave...
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Cc: a-robw@MICROSOFT.com, rro@playground.sun.com
Subject: Re: Shocked Disco
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Do you folks know if the 215-85-R16 will fit on the RR?
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
On 13 May 1996 Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote:
> When the checkbook allows I plan to get a second set of wheels
> (LR steel 5.5x16)and mount 215/85/16 (either Goodyear MT or
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> regards
> Chris Browne
> Baron
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:52:41 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Better late thasn never
Chicago area LROs-
A friend just sent me an article from the May 5 (Sun) Chicago Trib on
offroad clubs in the Midwest. The article is mainly air about IL being
unfriendly to offroaders, so they all go to WI. One group, the
mudslingers, has a web page
(http://lagmaf.isdn.mcs.com/7EDodgeboy/mudsling.html). It is on page 1 of
section 12.
The LRO content is that the article has a big photo of a red d90 blasting
out of a ravine, both front wheels off the ground and a maniacal look on
the drivers face. It is at some offroad park in WI. The article also
mentions the strengths of LRs and J**ps offroad in passing, and that higher
priced hummer purchasers tend to go offroad more than most other SUV
purchasers.
Good photo though!!
-Bob
rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. ===
+1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally!
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:53:05 -0400
From: Randy Parker <rparker@roving.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Disco roof rack
Chris --
--Picture is a vehicle profile, so it's tough to tell but it appears that
the corners of the rack are curved.
--Rack runs full-length of roof (stops right at roofline over windshield).
--Appears taller than the 6" Brownchurch racks.
--Attachs to Disco gutters.
--Rack has a slight (few inches) slope in the middle, mirroring slope on
Disco roof, and then it runs flat again.
--Black tubular rack with 7 or so vertical supports between the longitudinal
--Picture appears to have some sort of sloped board or mat providing support
for the gear on the rack (tires, duffel bags, etc)
Maybe someone with a scanner can put it up on the Web?
--RP
At 03:24 PM 5/14/96 EDT,
Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote:
> ___________ On the second page is a blue Disco with the best looking
> roof rack
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>thanks
>Chrizzzzz Browne
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Swap for the UK?
In a message dated 96-05-14 13:15:55 EDT, you write:
>What would it take for the powers that be to be persuaded to keep OJ Simpson
>in the UK? I hear he looking for a less hostile place to live!
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>&-)
>Gerry
Yeah, maybe he could study law and criminology at Oxford, he certainly has a
well rounded background for it, and they love him.
8>) John.
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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 14 May 96 15:24:25 EDT
Subject: Re[2]: New Disco roof rack
___________ On the second page is a blue Disco with the best looking
roof rack
The suspense is killing me
Please describe this Roof rack, I have been toying with modifying the
brownchurch rack by adding light mounts at the front and rear for my poor
unsuspecting Discovery
thanks
Chrizzzzz Browne
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:16:35 -0500
From: John Ng <john.ng@domenet.com>
Subject: Used 1992 &1993 prices
Can anyone give me an estimated price in the U.S. of an 1992 or 1993
Range Rover? Thanks in advanced.
--
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:12:37 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: Range Rover Speedo light
I would be interested in getting Kevin's detailed instructions. If anyone has
them, I'd appreciate it if you could forward it to me.
Thanks.
roger hall
'89RR
roger_h@verifone.com
From: IN%"KKelly6788@aol.com" 14-MAY-1996 06:50:00.85
To: IN%"rro@playground.sun.com"
CC: IN%"meuchel@cyberport.net"
Subj: Range Rover Speedo Light
>The speedometer needle light on my '88 Range Rover does not light up when
>the lights are turned on. The tach needle lights up just fine. Anyone have
>an idea on how to fix this?
This is a common problem with the Range Rover, (I have fixed mine twice).
The red plastic speedo needle is lit by a little fiber optic thing and it
tends to fall out. I have typed out detailed instructions (you do have to
take the gauge "pod" out of the vehicle) and sent them to at least three
people on the LRO list. I hope at least one of them is reading this, my copy
disappeared when my Hard Drive crashed last month. Let me know and I'll type
how to fix it again if you don't get help.
>I spoke with the Rover dealer in Boise, ID who
>told me it would require a new speedo.
Most Land Rover dealers seem to hire "parts replacers" instead of
"mechanics". I bought my RR from a doctor and it is almost painful to read
through all the dealer invoices he gave me.
Kevin Kelly
P.S. Make sure you don't just have a burned out bulb
Return-path: <KKelly6788@aol.com>
id <01I4OQHSL75S90Q0AW@verifone.com>; Tue, 14 May 1996 06:49:48 -1000
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14 May 1996 12:31:13 -0400
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:31:13 -0400
From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Subject: Range Rover Speedo Light
Cc: meuchel@cyberport.net
Message-id: <960514123113_113354386@emout08.mail.aol.com>
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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:37:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Disco 'rattle'
Rob Virzi wrote:"... '95 disco ...rattle that is hard to track
down....appears to be coming from under the truck, located near the driver's
feet. It does not rattle while driving, just when in drive with your foot on
the brake. This makes it a bit difficult to diagnose because every time I get
out to find it, it stops!..."
Bob- Maybe the heel is loose on your right shoe?
Just thought I'd ask...
Jim '84 RR
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:19:12 -0400
Subject: Racks
Someone asked if the new XD rack/Safety Device rack for the Discovery is the
same as the CT Disco rack. After looking closely at several closeups of
each rack, they appear to be with several minor differences:
The CT rack attaches through the roof to the interior roll cage while the
production model attaches to the gutters.
The CT rack has “bands” that run from the top bar to the bottom bar that is
off-set from the top. These bands are used to mount the sand ladders.
According to the Slavin Expedition Roof Rack price list from Safety Devices,
these are a #46.50 option per side. I’m sure that a competent welder could
add them after the fact.
Other than those differences, they sure look like the same rack to me.
Perhaps the CT rack is a bit more over-built? Can anyone on the other side
shed any more light? Thanks...
Gerry “PHX AZ” Elam
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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Disco 'rattle'
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:35:16 +0930 (CST)
> Rob Virzi wrote:"... '95 disco ...rattle that is hard to track
> down....appears to be coming from under the truck, located near the driver's
> feet. It does not rattle while driving, just when in drive with your foot on
> the brake. This makes it a bit difficult to diagnose because every time I get
> out to find it, it stops!..."
A wacky way out thought. could the rattle be the anti return valve in the
brake vac booster. This was the case on my stage 1, and it took me ages
to isolate. twas a really "scary" harsh rattle only at idle and not
always, went away with just a few revs... sounded like it was coming
from the bottom left of the footwell ( g/box on a rhd..) not right under
my nose so to speak
cheers
--
Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:20:33 -0500
From: John Ng <john.ng@domenet.com>
Subject: Used RR Prices
Can anyone give me an estimated price in the U.S. of an used 1992 or
1993 Range Rover? Thanks in advanced.
--
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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:55:59 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 Stiff Clutch
Thanks for all the posts on the stiff clutch. The dealer bled it, and though
it is better, I noticed the clutch was a bit stiff again after sitting just a
tad, so the problem is not fully solved. I tend to think the problem would
be the slave cylinder in the bellhousing area, as it is just above the
catalytic converter, but the point about the piston expanding and hanging up
in the bore seems spot on. And also, just above the hot tarmac; the problem
happended also when first stepping on the clutch after a hot day at work (LA,
blacktop). If I learn anymore, I'll post.
John.
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In a message dated 96-05-13 22:29:18 EDT, Defendr90 and Bb0yz writes:
>Tour problem is probably the clutch master cylinder. The piston expands due
>to the heat and hangs up in the bore. The problem is not uncomon as LRNA has
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>If your dealer won't help your, call the LRNA Customer Care 800 number.
>Good luck!!
Subj: Re: D90 Stiff Clutch
Date: 96-05-13 23:00:52 EDT
From: Bb0yz
To: JEPurnell
1994 D-90, AA Yellow, #1616
The problem has been highlighted by many. Rover has never recommended a
solution. Mine Has done it for as long as i have had it. If you find
anything out
<resolution> please let us know!
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Used RR Prices
John, prices seem to vary a lot with region. For example, there is a
significant difference between San Francisco and Los Angeles. The
excessively rich seem to be flooding the market in LA. When this question
has come up before, there hasn't been much interest in trecking to LA for
a used RR. Can't imagine why. What is your region of interest?
Rgds,
Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=
* Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us *
* Davis Community Network | *
* Davis, California | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
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On Tue, 14 May 1996, John Ng wrote:
> Can anyone give me an estimated price in the U.S. of an used 1992 or
> 1993 Range Rover? Thanks in advanced.
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> John Ng
> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=
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> Juice PLUS+=99 email john.ng@domenet.com
> "Fruits & veggies in a capsule" voice 312-225-6233
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> choices; ultimately they're your choices.
> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:38:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy tires - was Shocked Disco
The Camel Trophy Disco uses Michelen XCL's which are not DOT
approved. It is a very aggressive tread ( I think it would not work
weel on road ( loud and real bad in the rain, horrible wear and speed
Last time I stuck my head under a ( non-moving ) Camel trophy Disco I
noticed it had radically different springs: A normal looking spring
with a smaller looking spring inside that one. ( this was on the
rear, I forgot to look up front )
Tomw
> >BTW 215/85x16 is equivalent to the 7.00r16 used on Camel discoverys
> and gives you about three quarters of an inch extra ground clearance
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Does anyone know what tires were used on the CT RRs? Were any
> suspension mods made?
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tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 02:46:43 +0000
Subject: Web page Finally Up!
Well,
It aint pretty, but its there!
http://www.fluentnet.com
or
http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/
( for those who want to spare the shemeless plug for my company )
The Pages are "under construction" :)
the main page is a quickie for Fluent Networks
the lr subdirectory contains:
directories:
desert --- the second desert trip ( camera broke 1/2 way thru )
mendo_badge --- Mendo outing and badges ( 3 thru 5.jpg = badge )
Not_a_coast --- Precursor trip for Real Not_a_coast
the pictures in each directory go from ~1 to nnn.jpg in order of how
they were taken ( the stupid server OS will list them alphnubetically :)
the pictures are small ( yet big :) so even folks with dixie cups'n
strings can hope to see em in this lifetime.
I will eventually doctor up the pictures with text ( ya right dont' your
hold your breath, your lucky I got this far being a lazy B and all! )
Let me know what you think!
Tomw
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Date: Wed, 15 May 96 7:10:27 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Baby's 1st Birthday
Hi all,
Have been away on business for the last few days. Glad to see the list is
back!
My baby has turned one year old today!
1995 Defender 90, AA yellow, 23K miles, and no major problems to date!
I am still waiting for all of the stuff I have ordered from Safari Gard,
Greg is VERY busy; Bumper/bullbar/front skid plate, diff guards, air
sliders, rear skid plate, rear bumperettes.
Greg is making me a custom bumper/bullbar/front skid plate for my Defender
that will house my Superwinch Husky winch. His normal bumper is setup for
Warn winches and the Superwinch won't fit. Because I live in Mass and Greg
is in California I was really nervous about ordering something he hasn't
made before. Worried that something wouldn't fit right when I got it. We
called Superwinch and explained the situation, and they agreed to send a
Husky winch and roller fairlead to Safari Gard so Greg could get a perfect
fit for me! Talk about customer support! I have to say that really
impressed me.
Anyhow the winch arrived the other day and the bumper is on the jig and
being built.
Now if my patience can hold out!
Anyone interested in a slightly used Saftey devices bumper for a Superwinch
Husky winch? :>)
Cheers,
Barnett
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:13:02 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: lro list
Is the lro list still down? Or have I managed to unsubscribe myself?
Oscar
rental Disco
it will go off-road!!!
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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 15 May 96 09:41:26 EDT
Subject: Re[2]: Camel Trophy tires - was Shocked Disco
This year Land Rover changed over to the new Michelin tire, which I think is
called the XZL, LRNA sent me the specs of the 96 Camel Disco If I have the
initials wrong, I'll post the correct name
If any of you have the June LRO, you can see the new tire on a few of the camel
vehicles in the trials
regards
Chris Browne
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