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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 16 May 96 07:03:14 MST
Subject: RR Exterior Spare Tire Mount?
FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov
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Maybe something that would be like the bicycle rack, that would plug
into the receiver hitch? And also, like the bicycle carrier, be able to
fold down to allow for the tailgate to open?
Anyone good with a welder?
This could affect the departure angle though... Maybe, as far as an
exterior mount goes, the roof rack is the best location for an exterior
mounted spare for the RR.
Dave (still sleeping, I think) Brown
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From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: RR Exterior Spare Tire Mount?
I don't think this is a duplicate post...sorry in advance if it is! Does
anyone know of an exterior, rear mounted, spare tire carrier for the RR?
I'd really like to have that extra room inside. Has anyone modified a tire
carrier from a different vehicle?
Glad to have the digests back! Two weeks of solitude! ;-)
Cheers! John Cassidy Bangor, Maine
John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:12:49 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject: Used Car Loans
Although I'm not much of a financial manager, If you're a homeowner,
you could always take out a home equity loan... (the rates are
usually right around that for the new car loan, sometimes lower).
Plus, I don't know if this varies by state or not, but a home equity
loan is deductible, whereas (here at least) a car loan no longer
is....
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:16:07 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: Toyota Saves the Day!
a-robw@MICROSOFT.com,Internet writes:
>I don't know if you thought about it at the time, I know my brain turns
>to applesauce when I get stuck and become helpless, but if you are
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>branch sized stakes in a row and connect them with a rope, tow-strap or
>cable, anchoring the winch cable to the one closest to the vehicle.
The greatest thing to carry with you is the steel stakes that
contruction sites use to hold down cement molds. They have heavy heads
and are made for pounding into the ground. A few of these make a great
land anchor.
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:19:17 -0400
Subject: E-Brake Pops Up
My D90 has an interesting problem that I'd like to know if anyone else
has:
After offroading a bit, the E-brake handle pops up one notch after
being released, turning the light on and preventing the brake from
engaging properly. I take it in to the dealer, they toy with it and it
works again. Then I take it offroad and it does the same thing. After
three trips to the dealer, I'm more than a little fed up. Any idea
what's happening here? Does it happen to anyone else?
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:47:06 -0400
Subject: Re: used RR financing
In a message dated 96-05-15 20:22:37 EDT, ROGER_H@verifone.com (ROGER HALL:
HNL M.E. GROUP) writes:
>John, I financed my '89 RR through BMW. They have very favorable terms
>available and try to accomodate potential landrover owners.
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>Roger Hall
>roger_h@verifone.com
Thanks Roger, good to know that the "bank is my friend" on the "affordable"
Rangies.
:) John P.
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:03:47 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RR Exterior Spare Tire Mount?
I'm sure I've seen either a swing-away or possibly fold-down spare wheel
carrier for Range Rovers advertised in the LRO magazine. Maybe it was the
manufacturers of the Pivlock wheel carrier...
Tom
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:36:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Toyota Saves the Day!
At 03:53 PM 5/15/96 -0700, Robert Watson wrote:
>I don't know if you thought about it at the time, I know my brain turns
>to applesauce when I get stuck and become helpless, but if you are
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>branch sized stakes in a row and connect them with a rope, tow-strap or
>cable, anchoring the winch cable to the one closest to the vehicle.
Good points, and I thought about both possibilties. You mention
your brain turning to applesauce - I noticed the same thing! Plus, all my
energy seemed to drain away. I guess that's stress for you. My biggest
concern with trying to bury an anchor or pound some posts into the soil was
how wet and difficult the soil was to work with and the fact that my axe was
pretty light for pounding in stakes. Plus the limits of time (it was
getting toward evening) and my own endurance. Imagine doing stuff like this
20 hours a day during the camel trophy! Also, I learned that fatigue is a
great antidote for embarrasment.
Dave
David C. McCormack
Hinshaw & Culbertson
175 N. Patrick, Suite 115
Brookfield, WI 53045
(414)792-9150
(414) 792-9154 (fax)
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Date: 16 May 1996 11:58:54 -0400
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re(2): Toyota Saves the Day!
The technique that Bob talks about is to use a "dead-man". Basically, =
you'd take that log that you chopped up, bury it at least 3ft down (the =
deeper the better, but uncovered), dig a trench from the middle of the =
log toward your truck on an incline, so that the winch cable can go =
directly to the log, rather than over the surface and over the edge of =
the log's trench, thereby possibly causing the log to lift out of the =
trench.
The second method is that of another type of deadman, but the rope/cable =
between each stake should be taut and run from the base of the one =
nearest to your truck to the top of the one next farthest away, and so =
on. These stakes also should be hammered into the soil over a foot down, =
as anything else will work free.
Course: Basic Field Expedients 101, offered by US Army!
It also includes lessons on construction of a field expedient winch using =
the wheel hubs (works better with dual wheels!)
Bill
------ From: Robert Watson (CNA), Wed, May 15, 1996 ------
Quite a story. Confirming, once again, one of Murphy's laws which
states: "the nearest winch anchor is always cable length + 10'"
I don't know if you thought about it at the time, I know my brain turns
to applesauce when I get stuck and become helpless, but if you are
digging and cutting anyway, you can use a tree (such as the one you
pulled out) or even the spare tire as an anchor by burying it in the
ground. More work than a "pull-pal", but less embarrasing than being
rescued by a toyota :-). Another trick is to pound/bury several tree
branch sized stakes in a row and connect them with a rope, tow-strap or
cable, anchoring the winch cable to the one closest to the vehicle.
If all that fails, then it's time to inflate the pontoons.
Happy trails
Bill Skidmore
Senior Network Systems Engineer
The Mitre Corp.
145 Wyckoff Rd.
Eatontown, NJ 07724
skidmore@mitre.org
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:31:35 -0400
Subject: Lug Wrenches
>Having _bent_ my Disco's lug wrench while rotating my tires,
>I went on a quest for an improved unit, longer, better leverage,
>etc. (I was literally jumping up and down on the lug wrench
>handle to get some of the lugs off).
The torque specs for the Range Rover (and I would guess the Disco) is 95 ft.
lbs. If you were "jumping up and down on the lug wrench" I bet yours were
150 ft. lbs. +. Land Rover also recommends coating the mounting face with
anti-seize compound and putting a drop of oil on each wheel stud.
>Well, the Disco lug nut is a 27mm hex. Sears "Craftsman"
>does not MAKE a 27mm socket. Neither does Stanley.
I went out in to the garage and looked in my Craftsman roll-a-way, and sure
enough there was a Craftsman 27mm socket (it's what I use to get the RR
wheels off). I looked in my Craftsman catalog to see if they still make it:
27mm 1/2 inch drive 12 point catalog # 44243 $5.99 and 27mm Deep Depth 1/2
inch drive 12 point catalog # 44449 $6.99. BTW the Sears Catalog # is
800-377-7414.
>Fortunately, Snap-On Tools does make a 27mm socket- regular,
>deep, or impact, take your choice. Snap-On also makes a
>30" extra-long breaker bar. This is a *much* nicer way to
>do wheel work on a Disco, though the total ($97) is right
>up there.
The Craftsman large breaker bar is only 18" long and I have never had any
problem getting Range Rover lug nuts off. The total cost for the Craftsman
breaker bar and socket is $25.65 (about 25% of the cost of the Snap On). If
you ever need more leverage you can slip a steel pipe over the end of the
breaker bar. I have had a 6' pipe on the end of my breaker bar to get a big
36mm rusted nut off the rear axle of a VW. Another reason I like Craftsman
is that if I ever do something like putting a 20 foot pipe on the end of a
breaker bar and it explodes, I can just run down Sears on a Sunday afternoon
and they will hand me a new one.
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Thu, 16 May 96 12:26:39 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: E-Brake Pops Up
Sean,
That's a weird one! I haven't had any problems with the brake other than
some slight shuddering when coasting to a stop. I adjusted the pads and all
was fine. Maybe the cable is not tensioned correctly?
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy), on 5/16/96 10:19 AM:
My D90 has an interesting problem that I'd like to know if anyone else
has:
After offroading a bit, the E-brake handle pops up one notch after
being released, turning the light on and preventing the brake from
engaging properly. I take it in to the dealer, they toy with it and it
works again. Then I take it offroad and it does the same thing. After
three trips to the dealer, I'm more than a little fed up. Any idea
what's happening here? Does it happen to anyone else?
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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Lug Wrenches
Fascinating- I was at the Sears in Cambridgeside Galleria and the
salesdroid
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:42:43 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Toyota Saves the Day!
I have been thinking of liquid nitrogen. Just freeze the mud, and
drive out. I wonder if those big 3 wheel drive nitrogen trucks the
farmers use would do the trick....
Russ
At 10:36 AM 5/16/96 -0500, David C. McCormack wrote:
>At 03:53 PM 5/15/96 -0700, Robert Watson wrote:
>>I don't know if you thought about it at the time, I know my brain turns
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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:41:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Lug Wrenches
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:50:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Crested Butte
You wrote: Hi - Gerry - I think I started all this discussion with my query
about
6-8 weeks ago . . . Have you received any kind of mailing from the
Solihull Society (Mr. Chernushin) regarding the details of this event,
other than when it will be?
I received my mailing of information including registration form and releases
last week. There is also the event schedule. It is too long to re-post.
You might want to call Greg's secretary at 1-800-383-5886.
The dates are August 8-12. If you're worried about not getting in, I would
call the Nordic Inn in Crested Butte where the event is HQ'd and reserve a
room beginning the night of the 7th running through the end of the event.
Their number is 970-349-5542.
Good Luck!
Gerry
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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:50:03 -0400
Subject: Badge order
You did a superb job. Put me down for two. If you want a check now, send me
your address and I'll drop a check in the mail! Thanks...
Gerry Elam
Phoenix AZ
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Date: Thu, 16 May 96 12:47:56 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: D90 recalls
Hi all,
A while back there were some posts to the list about D90 recalls? I haven't
heard anything from LR or my dealer as yet but would like any information
available.
I think there was something about the clutch plate? The timing gear?
Changing the splash gear for the transfer?
Could someone please repost this info. Are there any recall numbers for
these problems? How did you find out? Did you have a problem or did your
dealer get in touch with you?
With all of RRO list problems I didn't get all of the messages.
Thanks
Barnett
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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:59:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Lug Wrenches
>Having _bent_ my Disco's lug wrench while rotating my tires,
>I went on a quest for an improved unit, longer, better leverage,
>etc. (I was literally jumping up and down on the lug wrench
>handle to get some of the lugs off).
The torque specs for the Range Rover (and I would guess the Disco) is 95 ft.
lbs. If you were "jumping up and down on the lug wrench" I bet yours were
150 ft. lbs. +. Land Rover also recommends coating the mounting face with
anti-seize compound and putting a drop of oil on each wheel stud.
My point exactly. The weiner who last tightened the bolts went
way overboard. (I mass 200 "on the nose", so it was probably
well in excess of 200 ft-lbs - I didn't measure it).
I went out in to the garage and looked in my Craftsman roll-a-way, and sure
enough there was a Craftsman 27mm socket (it's what I use to get the RR
wheels off). I looked in my Craftsman catalog to see if they still make it:
27mm 1/2 inch drive 12 point catalog # 44243 $5.99 and 27mm Deep Depth 1/2
inch drive 12 point catalog # 44449 $6.99. BTW the Sears Catalog # is
800-377-7414.
That's great, but the 'droid at the Cambridgeside Galleria in
Cambridge, MA (just a short walk from work) didn't seem to be
able to find 27mm, neither 12 nor 6 point. The 28mm/12pt
and the 24mm/12pt were both around $13 each... he could find those.
(and my complaints about the Sears mail order delivery promptness
don't really belong here)
I'm sorry- I guess I should have made it clearer that what I wanted
was a 27mm 6-point socket. It was moot when they couldn't give
me a pointer to a 27mm *anything* socket.
Another reason I like Craftsman
is that if I ever do something like putting a 20 foot pipe on the end of a
breaker bar and it explodes, I can just run down Sears on a Sunday afternoon
and they will hand me a new one.
Snap-On is even niftier - call their 800 number and _they_ will drive
their truck by and _deliver_ you another one. :-)
-Bill Y.
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:34:00 -0400
From: Quantum <quantum@bramnet.com>
Subject: Considering a Disco
After reading this list for the past few months, added to a beforehand
interest in LRs, I've decided to look into purchasing a new Disco. Since
most of the people who post to the list are from the US or UK, my major
concern is about my geographic location, which is Canada. I've visited the
LR Web page, but how many dealers handle LRs in the Metro Toronto area? Can
you reccommend any of them? Are there any retailers around who carry LR
parts? Also, is there anyone in Metro who will rent a Disco? I'd like to
try one for a week so I can decide if it's what I really want. Perhaps the
most important question, anyone in Canada will agree, is how good are these
things in the snow? In Canada we get 10 months of winter and 2 months of
bad skating... :-) Thanks!
Michael Stanley
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:28:08 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: E-Brake Pops Up
At 10:19 AM 5/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>My D90 has an interesting problem that I'd like to know if anyone else
>has:
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>three trips to the dealer, I'm more than a little fed up. Any idea
>what's happening here? Does it happen to anyone else?
Hi Sean,
All I know is that dealers, during the vehicle prep, have a bad tendency to
over tighten the E brake adjustment. From what I've learned, the brake
handle should have approx. 3-4 "clicks" of play (1/2" to 3/4") before break
engagement (provided the drum pads are in relatively good shape).
It sounds like there is some thermal metal expansion in the drum, which
could cause enough to engage the pads, hence the "movement" of the handle.
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:51:06 -0400
Subject: East Coast Trails: Where are they?
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>
I'm taking a week off next month and travelling from Boston to VA. I am
planning to do as much middle-weight (read non-damaging) off-roading as I
can along the way. Are there any fellow Rover owners out there willing to
share their favorite spots? Does anyone know of a good book of legal
trails for the East Coast?
Thanks in advance,
-AD
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Andrew A. Dallas
Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
30 Whittemore Road
Newton, MA 02158, USA
(617) 969-7216, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:54:55 -0400
Subject: Lug Wrenches
>Having _bent_ my Disco's lug wrench while rotating my tires,
>I went on a quest for an improved unit, longer, better leverage,
>etc. (I was literally jumping up and down on the lug wrench
>handle to get some of the lugs off).
The torque specs for the Range Rover (and I would guess the Disco) is 95 ft.
lbs. If you were "jumping up and down on the lug wrench" I bet yours were
150 ft. lbs. +. Land Rover also recommends coating the mounting face with
anti-seize compound and putting a drop of oil on each wheel stud.
>Well, the Disco lug nut is a 27mm hex. Sears "Craftsman"
>does not MAKE a 27mm socket. Neither does Stanley.
I went out in to the garage and looked in my Craftsman roll-a-way, and sure
enough there was a Craftsman 27mm socket (it's what I use to get the RR
wheels off). I looked in my Craftsman catalog to see if they still make it:
27mm 1/2 inch drive 12 point catalog # 44243 $5.99 and 27mm Deep Depth 1/2
inch drive 12 point catalog # 44449 $6.99. BTW the Sears Catalog # is
800-377-7414.
>Fortunately, Snap-On Tools does make a 27mm socket- regular,
>deep, or impact, take your choice. Snap-On also makes a
>30" extra-long breaker bar. This is a *much* nicer way to
>do wheel work on a Disco, though the total ($97) is right
>up there.
The Craftsman large breaker bar is only 18" long and I have never had any
problem getting Range Rover lug nuts off. The total cost for the Craftsman
breaker bar and socket is $25.65 (about 25% of the cost of the Snap On). If
you ever need more leverage you can slip a steel pipe over the end of the
breaker bar. I have had a 6' pipe on the end of my breaker bar to get a big
36mm rusted nut off the rear axle of a VW. Another reason I like Craftsman
is that if I ever do something like putting a 20 foot pipe on the end of a
breaker bar and it explodes, I can just run down Sears on a Sunday afternoon
and they will hand me a new one.
Kevin Kelly
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:55:37 -0400
Subject: Re: RR Exterior Spare Tire Mount?
>Does anyone know of an exterior, rear mounted, spare tire carrier for the
RR?
>I'd really like to have that extra room inside. Has anyone modified a tire
>carrier from a different vehicle?
If you don't need the extra room inside every day, think about putting the
tire up on top on a roof rack. This gets it up and out of the way when you
are opening and closing the tailgate.
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:21:59 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Rear Droop Kit
If anyone is interested I just installed the Safari Guard 2" droop kit and
WOW! 13.5" of droop from the fender to the top of the tire. Amazing
increase considering the original measurement was 8.5" (stock with sway bars
attached) and 10.5" with OME SBs removed. I tried running/testing the kit
without the spring clips and the rear springs popped out of the top
carriers! It gave me 14.5" of droop though! :^)
Has anyone else further increased axle articulation/droop by other means?
It's one of my main priorities/passions.
Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 #1123
Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home
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Date: Thu, 16 May 96 16:44:03 EDT
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: D90 recalls
Barnett,
Here's a list posted some months ago that I compiled from the
DOT web site. It has one new entry (95 RR radius arm prob) from when I
last posted it.
Rob
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Range Rover NA, Inc.
Models: Range Rover Year: 1995
Number of Vehicles: 1,505
NHTSA Recall Number: 96V050000
Range Rover Recall Number: D424
Vehicle Description: Passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The rear radius arm, which positions the rear
axle, can fail at the extruded aluminum chassis eye end.
Consequence of Defect: A broken radius arm can allow movement
of the rear axle and vehicle instability.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the rear radius arm
assemblies.
Owner Notification Date: Notification to consumers is expected to
begin in April 1996.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
agreed upon service dates and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time, should contact Land Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Models: Range Rover Years: 1987 - 1991
Manufactured Dates: May 1987-September 1990
Number of Vehicles: 15,378
Recall No. 95V155000
System: Fuel tank assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode
over time and allow fuel to leak.
Consequence of Defect: A fuel leak can occur and increase the
potential for a vehicle fire. Corrective Action: Dealers will
inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy
within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at
1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model: Range Rover Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-July 1995
Number of Vehicles: 3,147
Recall No. 95V157000
System: Engine pulley.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The idler pulley, part of the engine
front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in
serpentine belt damage or disengagement.
Consequence of Defect: Disengagement of the pulley on the
roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles. Also,
failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which
can increase the potential for an accident.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a
newly designed idler pulley.
Note: While power steering assist will be lost if the belt
fails, manual steering control remains. Note: Owners who take
their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service
date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time,
should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model: Range Rover Range Rover Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995
Number of Vehicles: 2,114
Recall Number: 95V123000
System: Hydraulic brake hose.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic
pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and
cause loss of brake fluid.
Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake
circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation
with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased
braking distances. Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment
could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition.
Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which
ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with
the latest design.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed
upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable
time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model(s): Range Rover County Classic Year(s): 1995
Range Rover Defender Year(s): 1995
Range Rover Discovery Year(s): 1995
Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995
No. of Vehicle(s): 155
Recall No.: 95V099000
System: Axle assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles.
Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the
differential pinion shaft torque was performed. This check required the
removal of the driveshafts. When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the
wrong sized nuts were used.
Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or
both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the
vehicle.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved
vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an
agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: RR Exterior spare tire carrier
I posted yesterday to the list requesting info about a rear mounted swing
away spare tire carrier. Just got an information packet John Davis
Motorworks in Annangrove NSW about some engine options and they make a
swing-away, rear mounted, spare tire carrier! There was no picture so I
may fax them for more information. They are also the makers of the Bush
Rangie-quite impressive looking. Their phone # is 02-679-1179, Fax#
02-679-1160. When I called, I spoke with John Directly and he was quite
helpful with my questions about boring and stroking my 3.5L! The
literature says they make hunting RRs for the prince of the United Arab
Emirates.
Cheers! John
John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:30:06 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: E-Brake Pops Up
Sean P. Murphy wrote:
> My D90 has an interesting problem that I'd like to know if anyone else
> has:
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> three trips to the dealer, I'm more than a little fed up. Any idea
> what's happening here? Does it happen to anyone else?
Yeah that is weird ... My D90 does'nt do this at all. Sounds like the
cable tension is out of wack, or perhaps the tensioner is not quite
seated and 'pops out'
Chris Brosious
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Date: 16 May 96 16:57:37 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: LR / RR Lug Nuts
27 mm = 1.063 inches = 1 1/16 inches so using a 1 and 1 sixteenth inch socket is
an alternative for the colonists who cannot find a 27 mm , they are probably
badge engineered anyway!!
Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 04:36:21 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: 89 NAS RR temp
Got a mystery here. The temperature gauge, normally at 6 o'clock, is acting
wacky. All of a sudden temp will go to 3/4 or right before the red line.
Temp measured at the reservoir ranges from 78 to 82 degrees. The thermostat
was removed and all sensors changed. The problem persists. Could it be the
gauge itself?
Any ideas here?
Oscar
rental Disco
it will go off-road!!!
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:13:23 +0000
From: "Robert C. Hanson" <hansonrc@medeiros4.npt.nuwc.navy.mil>
Subject: Disco
Hello out there
I have a few questions/problems about/with my disco. Bear with me as I am
new to the list and may be asking questions all rookies ask.
Does anybody have a rattling/vibrating rear panel that surrounds the
subwoofer? It is obviously a product of the bass, but that sound should
not be sooo bad. Had dealer look at it a couple times but nothing ever
seems to be done.
At the car wash I had a waterfall coming through the back door. Any way
to remedy this (the door was shut)?
Is it hard to wire a non-rover CD changer and will it work through the
rover stereo?
Where can I get that rack that was on that Invitations/Quest mailing.
You know the one, it was molded (contoured) to the dual level disco
roof. Its full size.
Last but not least does anyone have problems with the signalling bulbs. I
had mine replaced twice already due to "loose connections."
It seems to me that whenever I see the Camel Trophy discos, they all have
thew front spoiler taken (ripped?) off. Is that something that is easy to
do before going offroading.
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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:04:59 -0500
Subject: Re: LR / RR Lug Nuts
On 16 May 96 at 16:57, William L. Leacock wrote:
> 27 mm = 1.063 inches = 1 1/16 inches so using a 1 and 1 sixteenth inch socket is
> an alternative for the colonists who cannot find a 27 mm , they are probably
> badge engineered anyway!!
I just got an enormous 1 1/16 lug wrench from Rovers North for a very reasonable
price. I can't imagine anyone bending the thing with even rusted lug nuts
on a roadworthy vehicle. Something that has been in a field for twenty
years......
Ron Franklin
Bowdoin, Maine, USA
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:00:03 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Range Rover Speedometer
> While some of you are thinking about speedometer problems, let me tell about
> mine. My 88 Range Rover speedometer malfunctions when the car is warm. The
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> heat, it doesn't work at all. The odometer seems to work fine. Any
> suggestions would be appreciated. Thank You.
Your symptoms basically match my own. The speedo shop said this particular
problem is the "instrument" itself, and cannot be repaired. I bought a new
one from the dealer, had the speedo shop dial in the miles, and put it in
myself. I did it without entirely removing the binnacle, but it wasn't pretty.
-Matt
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Rear Droop Kit
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:37:26 -0700
Yikes! Your subject line scared me!
When you said droop, I immediatly thought you'd LOWERED your rover 2".
(you know, put the 13" rims with 40 series tires, play the thumping rap
music from the super-turbo sub-woofer, etc.) Whew! I'm glad it was just
a dream. :-)
_____
/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
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|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
| _|= |= |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ NOT ridin' low
>----------
>From: Douglas C. Marbourg[SMTP:marbourg@lanl.gov]
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>marbourg@lanl.gov work
>marbourg@juno.com home
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Date: Fri, 17 May 96 10:19:01 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: RR Exterior spare tire carrier
At 18:11 16/05/96 -0400, you wrote:
>away spare tire carrier. Just got an information packet John Davis
>Motorworks in Annangrove NSW about some engine options and they make a
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>Rangie-quite impressive looking. Their phone # is 02-679-1179, Fax#
>02-679-1160.
>From outside Australia that would be phone +612 679 1179, Fax#
+612 679 1160. They are located ~30 km from Sydney centre.
James Carley
Sydney, Australia
'85 110
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:08:11 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: 89 NAS RR temp
You wrote:
>Got a mystery here. The temperature gauge, normally at 6 o'clock, is acting
>wacky. All of a sudden temp will go to 3/4 or right before the red line.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Any ideas here?
>Oscar
Is the water pump OK?
Cheers,
Jeremy
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:03:35 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Used Rovers
John Purnell wrote:
>Also, pardon my ignorance, but are used car loans available for 1988 and
>1989 Rangies? Any of you out there purchase one of these on credit.
Well, I tried. I was looking at a '90 back in December...and as a used car,
the credit union was going to charge two points higher than the "new" car
rate. By the time we got to the credit union in January to sign the papers,
it was now a *six* year old car *and they wouldn't make the loan*. They
finally relented, but we still didn't like paying almost 10% for a used
Rangie. To make a long story short, we now have a '96 pre-prod Discovery
SE-7. (got a GREAT deal on it, too!) And yes, it's been off road. Bent
the front liscense plate and scuffed up the whole front bumper in a creek
crossing last weekend! Cool.
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: Using an applesause brain to recover a stuck vehicle
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:05:50 -0700
>David C. McCormack wrote:
> Good points, and I thought about both possibilties. You
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>my
>energy seemed to drain away. I guess that's stress for you.
When things come to slurping halt and I'm up to the axles, miles from
anywhere, with the kids, who have no patience for such delays, I start
imaging all kinds of horrible things:
what if I can't get it out, or get it out before dark
what if I broke something or worse, broke something expensive (what's
my wife going to say?! :-)
what if bigfoot happens by while I'm stuck (and I'm out of film!) (this
is a real concern here in then pacific northwest ! :-)
what if, what if, what if.....
Never mind the fact that I bring enough food, shelter and supplies for a
trip twice as long as the one planned and usually have enough recovery
gear to make some if not sufficient headway (though I still need to get
a winch). I really need to work on the "panic reflex" so I can think
clearly and creatively enough to use what's at hand and solve the
problem at hand (sort of the Camel Trophy credo, I suppose)
>My biggest concern with trying to bury an anchor or pound some
>posts into the soil was how wet and difficult the soil was to work
>with and the fact that my axe was pretty light for pounding in stakes.
>your brain turning to applesauce - I noticed the same thing! Plus, all
I noticed that the CT Disco has a Big Ax securely fastened to the roof
rack. I guess that's something else to add to the load.
>Plus the limits of time (it was getting toward evening) and my own
>endurance. Imagine doing stuff like this 20 hours a day during the
>camel trophy!
Yeah, and in a tropical jungle with blood-sucking, disease carrying
insects buzzing hungrily about your body. Some kind of fun, eh?!
I've noticed that trying to rush a recovery effort, in order to beat
some deadline or another (e.g. nightfall) only makes things worse (i.e.
longer). Of course that's easier to say than do (especially with the
kids whining about being tired and hungry,etc.)
>Also, I learned that fatigue is a great antidote for embarrasment.
And it makes me appreciate the comforts of the plushmobile that much
more on the way home :-)
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/|__|_\__(| Bob Watson
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|---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
| _|= |= |o_ }\
[|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery
\_/ \_/ N7UMU
>Also, I learned that fatigue is a great antidote for embarrasment.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:42:49 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Re: 89 NAS RR temp
At 06:08 PM 5/16/96 -0700, you wrote:
>You wrote:
>>Got a mystery here. The temperature gauge, normally at 6 o'clock, is acting
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>Cheers,
>Jeremy
======================
Jeremy :
Water pump's okay. Situation or the times it heats up is not consistent
with pump problems. When it heats up it'll do so for a max of 10 minutes,
highway or city traffic doesn't make a difference.
Oscar
rental Disco
it will go off-road!!!
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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Amy C. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:08:15 -0400
Subject: HELP: Kentucky trails?
Does anyone know of any fun Land Rover trails near Cumberland Falls or
Pine Mountain in the Daniel Boone National Forest (Kentucky)? I have
a high lift jack and a winch on my D90, so challenging is GOOD. I'm
meeting my parents in this area in mid-June for their first Rover
Adventure, but I've never been up there. I'd be happy to trade info
about some good trails in North Georgia...
thanks a lot
Amy Murphy
Far superior to carrying your parents in your mouth?
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:58:40 -0600
From: Craig Meuchel <meuchel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Lug Wrenches and speedo needle light
Thanks to everone who gave me info on how to fix the speedo needle light on
my '88 Rover.
I bought a lug wrench last week to fit the Rover. The size is 1 and 1/16"
(which coincides exactly with 27mm). I called the dealer in Boise and
Atlantic British. Both gave me a dimension of 1 and 1/16" (not 27mm). I
found the lug wrench at a local auto parts store (NAPA?). I tried both
Checker and Champion with no success before finding one with the 1&1/16".
It was the largest lug on the set (star wrench). What was left of the lug
wrench from LR only bent further when used with a cheeter (sp?) bar. I was
surprised at how wimpy it was considering the size of the lug nuts.
As far as gluing a light pipe in place, I believe that it is probably okay
as long as a glue is used that is compatible with the pipe itself. I will
be checking with co-workers who deal with fiber optic cable on a daily basis
to see if and what kind of glue is compatible with fiber optic cable.
Craig Meuchel
meuchel@cyberport.com
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:27:34 +0200
From: Christophe Girardey <girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com>
Subject: Tires Pressure
Hello everybody,
I'm so surprised that my 2 following questions doesn't interest
anyone at LRO ! Perharps I would have more chance with RRO !!!
Here They are two questions for specialists :
1) Can anyone explain me if there is a good reason or not to put
larger tires than one's provided by default. For example,
putting some 235/..R16 in place of 205/80R16...
2) I read in a French 4X4 magazine that tires pressure
recommanded by constructors are always minimized and must be
increased by at least 1,25%. Is this affirmation true ?
Then, do I have to continue using following pressures for my
Disco (205/80R16 BFG Radial Long Trail T/A) :
FRONT Wheels 1,9 Bars
REAR Wheels 2,6 Bars
(Sorry but I don't have Lbs values)
Thanks for the input.
Cordialy.
--
Christophe GIRARDEY ( Le Mée - France )
'92 Discovery with 200 TDi engine
Software Developper (Free-lance)
Internet : girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com
Compuserve : 100600.2265@compuserve.com
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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Tires
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:50:30 +-200
Christophe GIRARDEY wrote:
1) Can anyone explain me if there is a good reason or not to put larger =
tires than one's provided by default. For example, putting some =
235/..R16 in place of 205/80R16...
The diameter of 205/80R16 is: (205*0.8*2)+(16*25,4) =3D 734,4 mm ref.
The diameter of 235/60R16 is: (235*0.6*2)+(16*25.4) =3D 688,4 mm -46 =
mm
The diameter of 235/70R16 is: (235*0.7*2)+(16*25,4) =3D 735,4 mm + 1 =
mm
The diameter of 235/80R16 is: (235*0.8*2)+(16*25.4) =3D 782,4 mm +48 =
mm
As You see, the profile (value after the slash) are important for the =
diameter of the tire.
If You use the 205/80R16 as reference, You can see the difference on the =
diameter, the radius will give half that value.
Change to 235/60 profile gives You 23mm less ground clearance
Change to 235/80 profile gives You 24mm more ground clearance
Wider tires, change 205 to 235 gives You 30 mm wider footprint, and =
therefore also less weight pr square unit. If You go on soft ground You =
will not sink so deep, BUT the lesser pressure on the will also give You =
lesser grip.
Whatever You make it will be a compromise, You have to decide Your =
needs.
My advise: Rocky ground, go for the largest ground clearance.
Soft flat area, go for the large footprint.
Wet grass, small footprint, to press the tires down to =
get grip.
All round use ?? Land-Rover made their best to find a compromise that =
suits most people.
Happy Rovering
Bent Boehlers, Denmark
110 V8 3.5 STW, Red.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 96 7:02:58 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 recalls
Rob,
Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio), on 5/16/96 4:44 PM:
Barnett,
Here's a list posted some months ago that I compiled from the
DOT web site. It has one new entry (95 RR radius arm prob) from when I
last posted it.
Rob
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Range Rover NA, Inc.
Models: Range Rover Year: 1995
Number of Vehicles: 1,505
NHTSA Recall Number: 96V050000
Range Rover Recall Number: D424
Vehicle Description: Passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The rear radius arm, which positions the rear
axle, can fail at the extruded aluminum chassis eye end.
Consequence of Defect: A broken radius arm can allow movement
of the rear axle and vehicle instability.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the rear radius arm
assemblies.
Owner Notification Date: Notification to consumers is expected to
begin in April 1996.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
agreed upon service dates and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time, should contact Land Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Models: Range Rover Years: 1987 - 1991
Manufactured Dates: May 1987-September 1990
Number of Vehicles: 15,378
Recall No. 95V155000
System: Fuel tank assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode
over time and allow fuel to leak.
Consequence of Defect: A fuel leak can occur and increase the
potential for a vehicle fire. Corrective Action: Dealers will
inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy
within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at
1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model: Range Rover Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-July 1995
Number of Vehicles: 3,147
Recall No. 95V157000
System: Engine pulley.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: The idler pulley, part of the engine
front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in
serpentine belt damage or disengagement.
Consequence of Defect: Disengagement of the pulley on the
roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles. Also,
failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which
can increase the potential for an accident.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a
newly designed idler pulley.
Note: While power steering assist will be lost if the belt
fails, manual steering control remains. Note: Owners who take
their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service
date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time,
should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model: Range Rover Range Rover Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995
Number of Vehicles: 2,114
Recall Number: 95V123000
System: Hydraulic brake hose.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic
pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and
cause loss of brake fluid.
Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake
circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation
with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased
braking distances. Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment
could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition.
Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which
ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with
the latest design.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed
upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable
time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
===========================================================================
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model(s): Range Rover County Classic Year(s): 1995
Range Rover Defender Year(s): 1995
Range Rover Discovery Year(s): 1995
Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995
No. of Vehicle(s): 155
Recall No.: 95V099000
System: Axle assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles.
Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the
differential pinion shaft torque was performed. This check required the
removal of the driveshafts. When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the
wrong sized nuts were used.
Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or
both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the
vehicle.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved
vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an
agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:37:25 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: LR / RR Lug Nuts
Bill Leacock writes:
> 27 mm = 1.063 inches = 1 1/16 inches so using a 1 and 1 sixteenth inch socket is
> an alternative for the colonists who cannot find a 27 mm , they are probably
> badge engineered anyway!!
That's what I've been using for years. I bought a deep socket and a flex
head ratchet. I can loosen it with the ratchet ( I never tighten the
nuts more than 90ft/lbs) flip the handle back, and spin the nut off
as quick as using a four way lug wrench. The deep socket lets the
ratchet clear the hub and wheel rim.
Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu
Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:25:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Disco
At 04:13 PM 5/16/96 +0000, Robert Hanson wrote:
>It seems to me that whenever I see the Camel Trophy discos, they all have
>thew front spoiler taken (ripped?) off. Is that something that is easy to
>do before going offroading.
The spoiler mounts to the steel bumper with around six bolts that
are easily removed and some screws that connect the spoiler to the bumper
caps. All told its maybe a ten minute job to remove, perhaps more to
replace since you have to fuss with lining up the holes etc. The problem is
that the bumper end caps hang down to the same level as the spoiler. Since
removing the bumper end caps requires one to disconnect the amber running
lights on the side of the bumper caps and would leave the vehicle looking
prtty rough, my solution (learned from the list) was to take a hack saw and
cut the bumper end caps to about the same level as the bumper. The plastic
cuts easily and there is even a bit of a lip you can use to guide the saw.
Of course, this means that you can't really put the spoiler back on. It
looks a little strange at first but you get used to it right away and really
what is the point of all that plastic anyway?
David C. McCormack
Hinshaw & Culbertson
175 N. Patrick, Suite 115
Brookfield, WI 53045
(414)792-9150
(414) 792-9154 (fax)
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:34:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Using an applesause brain to recover a stuck vehicle
At 07:05 PM 5/16/96 -0700, Robert Watson wrote:
>When things come to slurping halt and I'm up to the axles, miles from
>anywhere, with the kids, who have no patience for such delays, I start
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> what if I broke something or worse, broke something expensive (what's
>my wife going to say?! :-)
Wow. Now that's stress! I can only try to imagine my wife, 2 and
half year old and 8 month old along while Daddy tries to get the truck
unstuck. Sure, if I hooked the winch to a tree in masterful fashion and
deftly hauled the truck from the mire with the occupants aboard, beaming
with pride in their father's handiness that might be one thing. But reality
is far different!
David C. McCormack
Hinshaw & Culbertson
175 N. Patrick, Suite 115
Brookfield, WI 53045
(414)792-9150
(414) 792-9154 (fax)
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