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Date: Mon, 20 May 96 02:18:47 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: D110 / Range Rover Hybrid

Does anyone know if the D110 chassis is a lengthened RR chassis with rear 
cross member and outriggers to hold the D110 body ? 

The question is, can you modify a standard RR chassis to accept a D110 body a 
RR / 110 Hybrid ? 

I presume from the manuals, on both vehicles the chassis looks the same, 
accept the extra 10" in the middle. The running gear is stock RR, so V8 engine 
and 5 Speed gearbox should be used, with the addition of rear 110 drive shaft 
for the extra length of the rear axle ?  

As you could now import a 1970-72 RR as a runner under US DOT EPA laws, and 
D110 body work as parts, what to stop the building of a RR Hybrid in D110 
clothing ??? 
 
Mark    

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:14:26 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Military Tow Loops on RR

John,

I finally got a military tow loop from RN to try out where it might fit.
 I also ordered a bolt for it which is sold separate.  The loop is wider
than the frame rail but fits perfectly on the spots recommended because
they too are wider than the frame rail.

The back install looks pretty simple, just replace the tie down loop.  The
thought crossed my mind that you could also just bolt it through the
receiver where the pin would normally go.  It would be more convenient
but, being slightly wider than the receiver it might put more stress on the
bolt.

I talked to RN about the front again and finally got someone who knew
what the underside of my RR looked like.  He said to install the loop
where the plastic underbody protection plate holder was, although
"anyplace on the frame will do".  The loop fits well there, but it is difficult
to reach being rather far from the front.  I looked at putting one where
the bumper mounts but it is not wide enough to go around brush guard
and bumper.  Perhaps I can eventually figure this out as it would be
ideal. 

There are a set of holes in the frame right behind the where the bumper
mounts and in front of the where the protection plate holder mounts. 
This would be a great location except when the loop is pulled forward it
will hit a bracket, the piece of metal on the side of the frame which goes
up to attach to the body.  (I hope you can figure out what I'm talking
about.)  I don't know how big a problem this would be.  Also, since the
loop is wider than the frame rail, it does not fit snug against the frame
(just like on the receiver) and this might put more stress on the bolt. 
Again, I don't know if this is a major problem or not.

I will probably put them on the recommended places until I figure out a
better mount or feel sure that the alternate mounts I mentioned will be
safe.  Hope this helps.

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Baby is Here!

We now have a new baby boy!  7 pounds, 9 ounces...born at 08:11 after a
quite speedy delivery!  All is well with mother and child and now I have to
find another restorable Series truck to drive when he's of age(at least
it's a good excuse!)!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:52:09 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Overheating nightmare

Any suggestions about steps to take or signs of damage to look for after 
overheating a high-mileage RR engine? It appears I may have averted 
disaster, but I want to go over things with a fine-toothed comb. The 
story:

I was sound asleep at 2 a.m. Saturday as my girlfriend steered the '88 
RR (138,000 miles, strong engine, burns no oil) the last few foggy miles 
to her parents' home in the mountains. She startled me with, "Wake up, I 
smell smoke!" We pulled over as steam spewed from the radiator. The 
engine temp warning light was *not* illuminated. The temp gauge hasn't 
worked in months and I hadn't yet bothered to install the replacement 
sender I ordered months ago. The engine didn't *seem* that hot, so I let 
things cool off for a few minutes, topped off the radiator with a jug of 
water I carry, and decided to limp through the last couple of miles. 
There were a lot of curves and grades, and about a half mile out, power 
started dropping and an ominous clanking set in. I never let an engine 
seize up before, but I figured this must be what was happening. I pulled 
over and shut down just as the EFI light flashed on. We walked on in the 
dark and I didn't rest well, convinced I'd burned up the 3.5 and turned 
my beloved RR into junk.

The next day, we towed the vehicle beneath a shade tree and determined 
it must have been the thermostat. I pulled it out, put the water outlet 
cover back on, installed the replacement temperature sending unit I'd 
been carrying in the ash tray, and turned the key, fully expecting a 
grinding noise if not a full lock up.

Miraculously, it started and seemed to run fine. Yesterday we made the 
225 mile drive home in 90 degree weather. It seemed sluggish going up 
the hills, but then the 3.5 never was a racehorse. I ran 75 to 80 mph on 
the interstate with AC going full-bore. The temp gauge seemed to be 
working, but climbed ominously close to the red zone, though never quite 
reaching it. The old sender, when it worked, never used to send the 
needle past the half-way point. But given the state of Lucas and fact I 
was running mostly water in the cooling system, I don't know that this 
proves anything. We certainly didn't spew any water or hear any funny 
noises on the way home. And with no thermostat at all, there wasn't 
anything to impede the flow of water.

So, am I in the clear, or did I just give my engine a coronary that may 
someday reappear as a terminal event?

Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:16:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Contractions!

Best wishes!!!

On May 20,  4:42am, John Cassidy wrote:
> Subject: Contractions!
> Well, the contractions are 5 minutes apart(my wife's, not mine)
and it's
> 04:40 EST here.  I'll keep you guys posted...next post will
signal the
> arrival of our new family member!
> Cheers!  John
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> 4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA
>-- End of excerpt from John Cassidy

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:56:42 +0000
From: "Robert C. Hanson" <hansonrc@medeiros4.npt.nuwc.navy.mil>
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:33:09 -0400
From: Jan Ben <jib@big.att.com>
Subject: Re: 215/3.5 valves

>Jim,

Supposedly, post-Sd-1 (82-on) 3.5's had hardened seats, but some say
that it wasn't until '84-on that they finally got the metallurgy under
control.

OTOH, there's a BUNCH of tr-8 conversions with 215 and 300 heads running
around on obviously "leaded" heads,  no problem.
Jan

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 20 May 96 09:28:12 MST
Subject: Overheating nightmare

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Be very careful about overheating the aluminum block. The heads can
easily become warped, blowing the head gasket(s). I had a hose blow,
lost all coolant, and blew the head gasket all within a 10 mile trip to
work. I didn't notice the temp gauge until I got off the freeway and saw
steam under the hood, then noticed that the gauge was pegged all the way
hot.

Look for bubbles in the radiator while it's running. You can also take a
sample of your antifreeze/water to a garage, and they can test it to see
if you have a blown head gasket. (Checks for exhaust gasses in the
water.) If you see bubbles in your radiator while it 's running, you
probably have a blown head gasket. If so, you will also want to have the
heads checked for warpage. And, since you have it all apart, you might
as well have a valve hob done. This will give a good deal of "new life"
to your RR with 138K miles on it. If it's not blown... Enjoy! No sense
stirring up a can of worms for nothing!

Good luck!

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:52:09 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
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Any suggestions about steps to take or signs of damage to look for after
overheating a high-mileage RR engine? It appears I may have averted
disaster, but I want to go over things with a fine-toothed comb. The
story:

I was sound asleep at 2 a.m. Saturday as my girlfriend steered the '88
RR (138,000 miles, strong engine, burns no oil) the last few foggy miles
to her parents' home in the mountains. She startled me with, "Wake up, I
smell smoke!" We pulled over as steam spewed from the radiator. The
engine temp warning light was *not* illuminated. The temp gauge hasn't
worked in months and I hadn't yet bothered to install the replacement
sender I ordered months ago. The engine didn't *seem* that hot, so I let
things cool off for a few minutes, topped off the radiator with a jug of
water I carry, and decided to limp through the last couple of miles.
There were a lot of curves and grades, and about a half mile out, power
started dropping and an ominous clanking set in. I never let an engine
seize up before, but I figured this must be what was happening. I pulled
over and shut down just as the EFI light flashed on. We walked on in the
dark and I didn't rest well, convinced I'd burned up the 3.5 and turned
my beloved RR into junk.

The next day, we towed the vehicle beneath a shade tree and determined
it must have been the thermostat. I pulled it out, put the water outlet
cover back on, installed the replacement temperature sending unit I'd
been carrying in the ash tray, and turned the key, fully expecting a
grinding noise if not a full lock up.

Miraculously, it started and seemed to run fine. Yesterday we made the
225 mile drive home in 90 degree weather. It seemed sluggish going up
the hills, but then the 3.5 never was a racehorse. I ran 75 to 80 mph on
the interstate with AC going full-bore. The temp gauge seemed to be
working, but climbed ominously close to the red zone, though never quite
reaching it. The old sender, when it worked, never used to send the
needle past the half-way point. But given the state of Lucas and fact I
was running mostly water in the cooling system, I don't know that this
proves anything. We certainly didn't spew any water or hear any funny
noises on the way home. And with no thermostat at all, there wasn't
anything to impede the flow of water.

So, am I in the clear, or did I just give my engine a coronary that may
someday reappear as a terminal event?

Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 20 May 96 12:56:00 EDT
Subject: "real" Land Rover 

     
     I noticed yesterday a few drips of oil from the rear diff on my 
     Discovery soiling the floor of my garage. Only place I could figure it 
     must be coming from is the seal between the two halves of the diff. 
     Certainly not coming from the seal where the propshaft enters the 
     diff. Thank god the service is next week.
     
     Does that mean I now have a real Land Rover?
     Answers on a postcard.......
     
     regards
     Chris Browne
     Baron (bleeding to death?)
     
      

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:35:46 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: re: real 

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:36:06 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: "real" Land Rover

>     I noticed yesterday a few drips of oil from the rear diff on my
>     Discovery soiling the floor of my garage. Only place I could figure it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>     Does that mean I now have a real Land Rover?
>     Answers on a postcard.......

Hmm Chris.......

Don't know what to say......pumpkins bleeding to death?  Our 95 Disco
hasn't been iniiated into the club yet.....But I think that one of the
other cars in our garage (a 85 Volvo) wants to be a rover...it hadn't
leaked anything in 10 years...until the Rover moved in next to
it....*arrrgh!*  *laugh*...  <- maybe should just get more Rovers??

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 20 May 96 14:25:27 MST
Subject: Adding "memories" to my Range Rover's body...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

As someone posted, we should look at body damage caused while running
trails as building memories to our LR's. An excellent point! The weekend
before this past one, I had an encounter with a quad who was going
*much* too fast around a blind curve. I stopped dead in my tracks, and
he went into the bushes next to my drivers door, then gently leaned the
quad against my door, adding the slightest pair of dimples. Nobody hurt,
so we both went on with our lives.... Then, while backing out of a bad
situation, I nudged the left rear bumper end cap on a rock, pushing it
up, and breaking the two fancy screw things holding the lens guard on.
This is *not* the first time I've broken these mounting screws, the
first two times, the dealer just gave me replacements at no charge, this
time they got me for $5 each.

Then on this past weekend, while out with a friend, rather than
straddling a deep rut, I chose to go around to the left on a *narrow*
ledge. Well, I didn't quite make it, and the rear end slid into the rut
causing the right tail light guard, and then lens to contact the rocks.
Two more "fancy screw things" and this time a broken side rear lens. (I
straddled the rut on the return run.)

As for the lens guards, I'm told that I have the "newer style" that
mount only by two "fancy screw things" going through the lens. Is there
a older/better style that actually attaches to the body? Anyone want to
trade???? (Well, ya never know if ya don't ask!) This time, I don't
think I even want to replace the guard. They seem to be more for looks
than anything else. Er... I mean... that is... they're exactly what your
RR needs in place of those "ugly" screw onto the body guards you now
have. Let's trade???

Oh! I also managed to add another major dent to the muffler. I still
haven't had a chance to remove it and replace it with a "Flowmaster"
that I will mount next to the frame around where the rear seat is.
Anyone else have problems thrashing up that rear mounted muffler? Seems
like a bad design for an off-road vehicle. The tear in the muffler gives
it that "throaty" sound though.... like it has some power to the engine.
Little do they know.....

Dave (bumper car driver extraordinaire) Brown

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:17:15 -0400
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Baby is Here/Thanks!

Just a note to express my appreciation to those of you who mailed notes of
congratulations regarding the new baby.  He still doesn't have a name yet,
but when he does, I'll post it!  I suggested Rover(it's in the name book!),
but my wife thought that that would be a little too much!
       Thanks to; Barnett, Ron, Clayton, Tom, Lee, Chris, David, Tom R.,
Larry, and others who mailed me!  It's times like these where I really feel
a sense of community with you all...one that extends outside the realm of
Rover ownership!  I hope that all in our ranks feel the same way!

Thanks for caring!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:47:56 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Disco

I had a problem with turn signal freakout where the left, rear directional
would cease to work.  It was a known but that LRNA told its dealerships
about.  What my dealership did was replace ALL the directional sockets,
front and rear, under warranty, of course.  This was back in December, and I
haven't had a problem since.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 08:41 17.05.96 -0700, Christopher Boese wrote:
>Robert C. Hanson had...
>> a few questions/problems about/with my disco.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>> seems to be done.
>I've heard this, as have a couple of others. I had another creak/rattle
back there (dry 
>door hinges) but the dealer, no doubt hoping for a fat reimbursement for
warranty work, 
>removed the entire rear panel, wrapped the wires and things around the
subwoofer with 
>tape, and reassembled everything. The subwoofer buzzed less after that, but
my Mack 10 
>and Ice Cube tapes bring it back from time to time.
>> At the  car wash I had a waterfall coming through the back door. Any way
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>> to remedy this (the door was shut)?
>I hate to be the bearer of depressing news, but someone else on the list (I
should have 
>saved his name and message) had this "feature" and, I regret to say, it was
because the 
>door had been mounted improperly (too much ale the night before in
Solihull) and a body 
>shop had to remount the door. I've also had water leaks in this area, only
from around 
>the speakers, which proved to be a panel seam that hadn't been sealed. In
any case, 
>there's no excuse for this sort of sloppy build quality.
>> Last but not least does anyone have problems with the signalling bulbs. I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>> had mine replaced twice already due to "loose connections."
>Every couple of days, my right rear bulb just stops working and the
blinkers start 
>blinking like 1970's disco strobe lights. A few miles later the light is
back. Probably 
>just the right vibration reseats the connector back there.
>It could be worse. A friend with a Jeep has all these sorts of problems
>> had mine replaced twice already due to "loose connections."
too, and he 
>still has to drive a Jeep. Good luck getting everything resolved.
>-- 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
>'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:48:31 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Baby is Here!

Congratulations, John!  

As a good Land Rover dad, I'm sure you'll teach your son to love God and
hate Jeeps, though not necssarily in that order.  :-)

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 10:49 20.05.96 -0400, John Cassidy wrote:
>We now have a new baby boy!  7 pounds, 9 ounces...born at 08:11 after a
>quite speedy delivery!  All is well with mother and child and now I have to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
>4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:48:35 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: "real" Land Rover 

Nocturnal emissions on your garage floor?  Today it is a man, er, Land
Rover.  Congratulations on your Car Mitzvah!

L'chaim!
John

At 12:56 20.05.96 EDT, Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
wrote:
>     I noticed yesterday a few drips of oil from the rear diff on my 
>     Discovery soiling the floor of my garage. Only place I could figure it 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>     regards
>     Chris Browne
>     Baron (bleeding to death?)

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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 06:48:17 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: Baby is Here!

Congrats!!  This is fantastic news glad that everytone is doing fine.

My 2 year old son already thinks my D90 is his, looks like I'll have 
to use your idea and get him a restorable instead!

Best of Luck with the new Babe

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:54:56 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Baby is Here/Thanks!

I vote for defender......

Good luck.
Russ

At 10:23 PM 5/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Just a note to express my appreciation to those of you who mailed notes of
>congratulations regarding the new baby.  He still doesn't have a name yet,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
>4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Tue, 21 May 96 9:37:33 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: fwd: re: Baby is Here/Thanks!

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Original Text
From: barnett childress@eng@emchop1, on 5/21/96 7:00 AM:

Hey John,

Instead of naming your new son Rover, why not have a few more kids and give 
each one of them a proper name like...oh for instance;
Rangie, Discovery, or my personal favorite, Defender!

Of course in fairness I suppose you should really start at the beginning. 
Hmmm lets see...

Series 1
Series 11
Series 11A (maybe twins for the series 11's?)
Series 111
Stage 1
Defender
Discovery
Rangie

Oh yea, Lightweight!, Forward control!, Pink Panther! I know there's a few 
more. Any one else out there able to help John out with a few more names?

Wow you two better get busy! :>)!

Cheers,
Barnett
(No kids yet...but a D90 one year old) 

oh y  
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From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy), on 5/20/96 10:23 PM:
Just a note to express my appreciation to those of you who mailed notes of
congratulations regarding the new baby.  He still doesn't have a name yet,
but when he does, I'll post it!  I suggested Rover(it's in the name book!),
but my wife thought that that would be a little too much!
       Thanks to; Barnett, Ron, Clayton, Tom, Lee, Chris, David, Tom R.,
Larry, and others who mailed me!  It's times like these where I really feel
a sense of community with you all...one that extends outside the realm of
Rover ownership!  I hope that all in our ranks feel the same way!

Thanks for caring!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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