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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:01:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 RR FOR SALE
In a message dated 96-05-23 22:31:33 EDT, you write:
>1990 RR County black/grey leather, loaded, bull bar
>w/headlight covers, ABS, sunroof, new Bilsteins, 82K,
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>needs minor work, driven every day. $13,000.00/bo
> GMA
Oh yer killin' me. You are supposed to wait until *after* I sell my D90,
and finally get a decent job, and *then* sell me your RR.... Darn.
John
D90 up for auction...
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:05:33 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject: trac edges info -Reply
>Does Michelin own BFGoodrich???
Yes, at least the tire company. I think there is still an American owned
BFG company but it no longer makes BFG tires.
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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:10:44 -0400
Subject: Dead tach on '87 RR
Tom,
You may be on to something with the alternator. When my drive belts (87
RR) came loose the other day, I noticed that the tach went dead while
they were squealing and came back instantly when the belts got traction.
I don't know what the connection is but it appears there is one. Maybe
the tach reads the AC frequency from the alternator and translates it
into RPM. Did you have any "left over" wires?
As to the plugs: you should always be a little paranoid on something as
expensive to repair as a Rover but I've been using Bosch platinum plugs
(don't have the number avaialble) for years now with no problems. I
suspect the warning has to do with the heat range and the risk of
detonation, which is particularly hard on an aluminum engine.
Alan Pollard
Colorado Springs
87 RR
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The tachometer on my 87 RR has decided to quit. I have
about 90K miles on the vehicle.
I first noticed the problem no more than one day after replacing the
alternator. (May have been same day and I just failed to notice.) Does
anyone think there's a correlation? Or, is there something else I ought to
check out? (I had NOT been fiddling around with the electricals or behind
the instrument binnacle.)
Also, a second (and unrelated) question: I had a local garage change the
spark plugs on the 3.5 about 5K miles ago. Reading through the RR shop
manual it states very ominously that only the correct type of plugs should
be used or MAJOR engine problems could develop. The plugs in there are
AC's (R44XLS). Should I replace with Champions as the shop manual
specifies or am I just being *paranoid* here?
Tom McGee
Racine, WI
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:19:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil weight for Disco
In a message dated 96-05-24 09:35:38 EDT, dmccorma@execpc.com (David C.
McCormack) writes:
>I need to pick up a case of oil for the Disco today but drove my other car
>and can't remember the proper weight. Help? - Not to dwell on the obvious,
>but we're talking summer weight - although it's in the mid-40's in Wisconsin
>today!
Yo Dave:
the "book" specifies 10W40 or 20W50 for ambients of 86 to 122F, lyou know,
normal Wisconsin summers. I'd personally choose the 10W40. Easier starting
for those brief summer forays into minus 3 degrees F.
John
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:19:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Dead tach on '87 RR
In a message dated 96-05-24 00:56:31 EDT, you write:
>I first noticed the problem no more than one day after replacing the
>alternator. (May have been same day and I just failed to notice.) Does
>anyone think there's a correlation? Or, is there something else I ought to
>check out? (I had NOT been fiddling around with the electricals or behind
>the instrument binnacle.)
Someone told me the tach signal for the Defenders comes off the alternator.
same for rangies?? Might explain the coincedence.
Re teh plugs, I'll bet that when they said severe engine damage, they really
were concerned with "reach" of the plugs, meaning how deep they project into
the cylinder. This is obviously to prevent the piston from meeting teh spark
plug, and and on engines with small or wedge shaped quench areas it is of
supreme concern. That your truck runs and doesn't emit very bad sounds right
now means plug reach is not excessive. Proper heat range is important to be
sure, too, and if the heat range is not correct, I would want them replaced.
Heat range can affect mileage, and probably startability, and plug life and
fouling tendencies. I don't know the specifics of the RR engine though, so
I'd just go with what the manual reccomends.
John P
D90 fer sale.
Madison, Wi.
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From: apollard@arinc.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:17:39 -0400
Subject: Weight of Gas
Barnett,
FYI: Gas weighs about 6 lbs per gallon. That's why it floats.
Good luck with your rack. Just don't forget the potential effects of
being rear-ended on five or ten gallons of gas in a very vulnerable
place. There's a lot of heat energy there.
Alan Pollard
Colorado Springs
78 RR
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:12:13 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>
Subject: Re: Dead tach on '87 RR
Tom McGee wrote:
> The tachometer on my 87 RR has decided to quit. I have about 90K miles on
> the vehicle.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> check out? (I had NOT been fiddling around with the electricals or behind
> the instrument binnacle.)
I checked the D90/D110 shop manual and the electrical schematics show
the tach having three connections: 1) to ground, 2) to power through the
fuse box, and 3) to the "alternator stator windings." Assuming the tach
setup on the D90/D110 is the same as on an RR, I'd start looking at the
alternator connections for the problem before trying to pull out the
tach. Good Luck.
Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:32:37 -0400
Subject: Clicking Noise
>>One other question. I've just noticed a clicking noise somewhere in the
>>final drive train. Like a rock in the tire, but with a higher frequency
>>that suggests CV joints or prop shaft U joints that you can only hear when
>>there is a curb or something to reflect the noise back. In the 88 with
tire
>>song, gear whine and engine noise, I never would have heard it. Thoughts?
>The emergency brake operates on the driveshaft instead of using the more
>typical rear brakes. I've heard similar problems that have been attributed
>to an eccentric drum for the emergency brake, and solved by resurfacing.
You might want to check the four "nylock" nuts on the back of the emergency
brake housing where the driveshaft bolts on. After a west coast list off
road trip one of the list members mentioned that his were loose. I went out
to check mine and found two of the nuts very loose. I put Lock-Tite on all
of them.
Kevin Kelly
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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:52:00 -0400
Subject: Disco Compression Ratio
>I recently acquired a workshop manual for my 3.9l Discovery. According to
the manual >two types of 3.9l engines exist with :
>8.13:1 compression ratio; and
>9.??:1 compression ratio,
>but the manual does not say where the difference comes in.
The Rover 3.9L had 8.13:1 from '89 until it was increased to 9.35:1 in '93
the 4.0L in the new Disco's also has 9.35:1.
Kevin Kelly
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: trac edges info
Good info about tires; pity that as in nearly all tire tests I've seen
there was not a chance to get a side by side comparison (eg of Trac Edge
vs XPC).
Cheers
John Brabyn
Using XPCs but willing to change
On 23 May 1996 Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote:
> Re Tracedge performance
> Drove a Disco wth Tracedges at Rn off road school in feb, plus a rr on
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> available, craddock's lists it in their adverts?
> Regards
> chris
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Dead tach on '87 RR
On Fri, 24 May 1996 mcgee@cris.com wrote:
> The tachometer on my 87 RR has decided to quit. I have about 90K miles on
> the vehicle.
> I first noticed the problem no more than one day after replacing the
> alternator. (May have been same day and I just failed to notice.) Does
Yes there probably is a correlation; have a look at the little lead that
plugs in to the back of the alternator about in the middle; when it is
disconnected the tach ceases to function.
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 24 May 96 13:05:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Weight of Gas
Alan tells Barnett
Just don't forget the potential effects of being rear-ended on five or
ten gallons of gas in a very vulnerable place. There's a lot of heat
energy there.
Barnett's nickname is now "Pinto"!!!!!!!
hehehe...
Chris Browne
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:48:50 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Dead tach on '87 RR
> The tachometer on my 87 RR has decided to quit. I have about 90K miles on
> the vehicle.
[ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> check out? (I had NOT been fiddling around with the electricals or behind
> the instrument binnacle.)
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The alternator drives the tach. Make sure the tach cable is plugged into
the right terminal on the alternator. Try cleaning the connector to make
sure you've got good contact.
Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:33:18 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Fuel Pump Replacement
The RR got to ride on the back of the flatbed again!
I stopped briefly this morning and then the RR would not start.
My feeling is the fuel pump failed. Good spark and coughed with a squirt of
starting fluid.
Fuel tank was replaced in January and a new fuel filter installed. Tank has
leaked from the top ever since when filled up. It could be a bad gasket or
it could be leaking though the pump wiring area.
Electrical power is good to the pump.
A new pump should arrive tomorrow from RN.
What other areas should be checked before pulling the fuel tank and pump?
Any suggestions and words of wisdom from those that have done this already
would help.
Thanks.
Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA 603-863-7883
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: RR Fuel System Problem
Jeff -- I haven't done this job, but I wonder if you could simply test
the fuel pressure somewhere along the line? Or even yank off a fuel
hose somewhere and see if petrol squirts out into a handy container
(could be dangerous though). Also, can you hear the fuel pump running?
Another possibility may be that the power source to the injectors failed;
maybe worth checking the fuel injection relay?
Good luck
Cheers
John Brabyn
89RR
On Fri, 24 May 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler wrote:
> The RR got to ride on the back of the flatbed again!
> I stopped briefly this morning and then the RR would not start.
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> 1988 Range Rover
> Newport NH USA 603-863-7883
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:46:56 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: Tach-alternator relations
Regarding the 'dead tach on an '87RR' thread, I have a really irritating (and
embarassing especially at night) problem on my '89RR where 'something' under
the hood squeals loudly periodically. When that happens, the tach dips or
hesitates.
I suspect the squealing is caused by the alternator spindle bearing, though
it's really hard to tell where the noise is coming from -- I do know it's on
the driver's side of the engine bay. It doesn't appear to be a loose belt, as
the belts are tight enough. And it doesn't explain the tach dipping when it
happens -- unless the tach runs off the alternator.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Roger Hall
'89RR
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