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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:19:56 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  D90 Roof 

Just a thought/question regarding roof racks & other attatchments (ie:
suspension, ground clearance, etc).

How tall are some of your vehicles getting? The reason I ask, when I
had the top off last week, I went through a parking garage. Maximum
clearance was 6'6", and I was alarmed to see what little room that
left between the safari cage and concrete overhead beams. Now, with
anything roof mounted (hellas, racks, whatever), what height to some
of you ring in at? That, and with some OME springs and bigger tires,
what's the story? 

BTW, I wouldn't *normally* park in a garage, as I'm usually parking
under some mighty sequoia in the middle of nowhere because I don't
have a job and can afford to go camping everyday, but occasionally I
do have to visit an urban area and street parking isn't always an
option.

Bob K.
D90 a.k.a. "shorty"

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:00:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Disco Compression Ratio

Philip:

In a message dated 96-05-28 07:04:59 EDT, you write:

>My vehicle has the 8.13 ratio.  I bought this car in Feb 96 with only
>17000Km? I was told the guarantee expires in June 96 which means the vehicle
>was purchased new in June 95 - with a low compression 3.9.

>Could it have something to do with the fact that I find myself in South
>Africa. SA has often been used as an international economic "dumping"
ground.

I don't know as much about Land Rovers sold outside the U.S. so when I wrote
that the change was made in a particular year I am referring to the U.S.
spec. models.  I sometimes forget that the list is read by people in many
countries.

>>The Rover 3.9L had 8.13:1 from '89 until it was increased to 9.35:1 in '93
>>the 4.0L in the new Disco's also has 9.35:1.

To find out for sure what your compression ratio is look at the engine serial
number stamped on the block between cyl. 3 and 5 (the side with the oil fill
pipe, below the exhaust manifold)

The 3.9 8:13:1 has a "38D" before the number and the 9:35:1 has a "36D"

>Or could it also have something to do with catalytic converters?  Our
vehicle do not >need them.

This may have something to do with it, all U.S. V8 Land Rovers have had
catalytic converters.  An engine with a catalytic converter will put out
about 10-20 HP less than an engine without one.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:35:27 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Boston Globe CT article

The Saturday, May 25 Boston Globe automotive section has a short (1/2 page)
article on the Camel Trophy written by Sue Mead.  She was a journalist on
the trip, so she has an interesting perspective.  Basically, she says this
year's was better than last year's because of all the muck and mire this
year.

A question.  She talks a bit about the specially equipped disco's used in
the event, but the photo shows them winching what is obviously a defender
out of what I think is passing for a trail.  So which do they use?  Perhaps
the defenders are support vehicles (recovery?) for the discos?
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: nswilson@mcs.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:32:07 -0500
Subject: RR sound system/transmission

Hi.
We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
When you're driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the highway (5-10 
mph) the automatic trans shifts hard from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. Had 
trans filters changed, and fluid replaced. Still hard shifting. At 
normal speeds, trans shifts fine. Any ideas?
Also, has stock audio (Pioneer). What is this system comprised of? Does 
anyone have original specs like watts per channel on the little amp in 
the back, and the rating for speakers? I'd like to upgrade but don't 
know where to start.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 11:32:23 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: D90 Roof

Bob asks;
>How tall are some of your vehicles getting? The reason I ask, when I
>had the top off last week, I went through a parking garage. Maximum
>clearance was 6'6", and I was alarmed to see what little room that
>left between the safari cage and concrete overhead beams.

You're right total height is getting up there when you add things like a 
rack or lights to the D90. The OME suspension raises the D90 1.5". Hella 
3000's are around 9.75". Mounted to the front of the safari cage over the 
windscreen they add about 7" to the total height, a rack is a little taller 
yet adding maybe 9" to 10" overall? I have off roaded with other folks who 
have Hella 3000's and or roof racks. They got around as well as I did. Of 
course that doesn't mean that a stray branch isn't going to smack your 
lights. You have to be aware as your passing under tree limbs. As for urban 
parking personally I never take the D90 to Boston, that's what the car is 
for. I live in a rural area, Sturbridge MASS, and parking at work is 
outdoors. I was looking at removable racks so that when not needed it would 
come off, however the Thule will only carry so much. At this time I'm still 
undecided (what's new :>).
Cheers,
Barnett
95 D90 "Rackless n' not fully iluminated yet"!
 
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Original Text
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>, on 5/28/96 9:19 AM:
Just a thought/question regarding roof racks & other attatchments (ie:
suspension, ground clearance, etc).

How tall are some of your vehicles getting? The reason I ask, when I
had the top off last week, I went through a parking garage. Maximum
clearance was 6'6", and I was alarmed to see what little room that
left between the safari cage and concrete overhead beams. Now, with
anything roof mounted (hellas, racks, whatever), what height to some
of you ring in at? That, and with some OME springs and bigger tires,
what's the story? 

BTW, I wouldn't *normally* park in a garage, as I'm usually parking
under some mighty sequoia in the middle of nowhere because I don't
have a job and can afford to go camping everyday, but occasionally I
do have to visit an urban area and street parking isn't always an
option.

Bob K.
D90 a.k.a. "shorty"

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:35:04 -0400
Subject: Warn8000 Solenoid Wiring

I am in the process of moving my soleoid on my Warn8000 winch to the
battery compartment to avoid killing more connector boxes. 
Unfortunately, I did the stupid thing and removed the box before the
new part I needed had come in, but I never labelled the wiring from the
box.  Now that I've run new wiring to the battery compartment, I don't
know where the leads should go.  Does anyone have the wiring diagram
for this sucker or would someone mind looking at their solenoid for me?
 The Warn 8000 that I have has three leads on the winch, two to the
left as it is mounted and one a few inches from the others towards the
right.  The solenoid should have four cables for battery power and a
small wire harness which goes to another device between the battery
positive lead and the lead to the solenoid.  If anyone has a wiring
diagram or installation sheet, I'd appreciate a FAX at 404-636-3044. 
Tips via private mail would be useful as well.

Oops.  <GRIN>

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From: nswilson@mcs.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:15:35 -0500
Subject: RR Trans/Stereo

Hi.
We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
When you're driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the highway (5-10
mph) the automatic trans shifts hard from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. Had
trans filters changed, and fluid replaced. Still hard shifting. At
normal speeds, trans shifts fine. Any ideas?
Also, has stock audio (Pioneer). What is this system comprised of? Does
anyone have original specs like watts per channel on the little amp in
the back, and the rating for speakers? I'd like to upgrade but don't
know where to start.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:48:03 -0400
Subject: Re: NY Times SUV Article?

In a message dated 96-05-27 16:55:18 EDT, KKelly6788@aol.com writes:

>Does anyone know if their is a way to access the NY Times on the Web?
>Kevin Kelly

NYTimes has a site on AOL in fact, one of the only good reasons for being on
AOL.  When you sign on to AOL, look for NYT icon, it is always on the screen
that tells you wether or not you have "NEW MAIL."  Of course you have to sign
on, not simply do a flashsession...

John.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:46:13 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Generic RR Fuel Pump Replacement!

I have not personally tried this fuel pump substitute, but RR/LR 
enthusiast Jackie Bookout of Athens, TN says it worked great on his 1988 
Range Rover. At a savings of $200, I'm planning to buy one as a 
backup/replacement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
*Carter brand fuel pump available at NAPA stores, part number P74006.*
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Retail price is $125.66, dealer cost is $69.58. I recently price-checked 
the official RR replacement available at NAPA and it was over $250! 
According to Jackie, the flow rate and mounting are identical with OEM. 
Only the wiring has to be modified:

"Use your plug off your existing fuel pump. Cut the wires. Slide 
neoprene shrink sleeves over the wires. Solder the joints, slide the 
sleeves over the bare connections. Use a match or lighter to shrink fit 
the sleeves over the naked wire. Reinstall and you're ready to go."

This may be too late for Jeff, but thought it would be of interest to 
the list.

Shaun Carrigan
slightly overheated '88 RR still running strong

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: RR sound system/transmission

On Tue, 28 May 1996 nswilson@mcs.com wrote:

> Hi.
> We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> trans filters changed, and fluid replaced. Still hard shifting. At 
> normal speeds, trans shifts fine. Any ideas?

This seems to be a design feature as far as I know -- mine has always had 
a pretty hard shift from 1st to 2nd, especially noticeable when idling 
along -- but hardly noticeable when accelerating.

Let us know if you find out otherwise

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 May 96 10:34:34 MST
Subject: Continuing the tradition

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Hello all! Every weekend for the past 4 or so, I have been fortunate
enough to take out the Range Rover for some 4-wheeling fun. And each
time, I've managed to cause some damage of some sort. Well, this past
weekend I managed to continue the trend. I'll recap the past several
weeks, close encounter with a quad (4-wheel motorcycle thing) causing
minor door dings, backing into a rock breaking the left rear lens guard,
sliding into a rut breaking the right rear lens guard off and breaking
the lens. And not to break tradition, this weekend I caused the rear
bumper end cap to come loose, and position itself in front of the
exhaust pipe, thus causing it to melt and deform slightly. Oh! I almost
forgot, I also hit a rut too hard and managed to mess up the steering
wheel so it's almost 90 degrees off when traveling straight.

Some of these "injuries" were probably due to poor driving techniques.
But the quad incident, and the melting end cap, no.

Has anyone "permanently" removed their RR bumper end caps? Does it look
okay? I have already "permanently" removed the front air dam, and that
looks fine to me. Actually makes the RR look "meaner." Anyone know what
effect the air dam has on fuel economy?

Also, after crossing a small pool of water, I couldn't ascend the sand
hill on the other side due to tire pressure and weight of the laden RR.
(4 adults, water, drinks, tools, 8 guns, ammunition, and a sundry of
miscellaneous junk.) I ended up backing through the water in retreat. :-(
I'm fairly certain I could have made it had I aired down the tires.
Anyone have any other "sand" tricks?

Thanks, and have fun!
Dave...

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Generic parts Replacement

On Tue, 28 May 1996, Shaun Carrigan wrote:

>RR/LR enthusiast Jackie Bookout of Athens, TN says it worked great on
>his 1988 Range Rover. 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Carter brand fuel pump available at NAPA stores, part number P74006.*
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Great find! From memory, I paid about $300 for a new one from the dealer 
when they did the fuel tank recall work.

This reminds me, has anyone tried a non-Land Rover replacement for the
Idle Air Bypass Valve (Stepper Motor)? Mine constantly develops stickiness
when I subject the RR to excessive dusty desert miles, causing idle speed
to get weird and stay on fast idle, affecting engine braking when four
wheeling. I've replaced it once ($145 at the dealer) and lubricated it 2
or 3 times (each time temporarily fixing the problem), but every time I
take it out it stresses the housing and I wouldn't mind carrying a spare. 

I've noticed it seems identical to pictures of a similar component in GM 
fuel injection systems. Has anyone tried this?

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:46:00 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 rack

Barnett,
I'll tell you what I know:
> 1)- Are you talking about the expedition rack that's shown in the LRNA 1995
> brochure for the D90 SW? If so I thought there was only one rack ladder on
> the drivers rear side?

I have not seen my rack in any catalog.  I first saw it installed on a D90 at the CO 
Springs dealer.  The dealers and mail order usuals (RN, BP, AB, etc.) all knew what I 
wanted, they said it is a relatively new item from Land Rover.  It is called the Safari 
Rack (part #: LRNA90SSKK).  It will mount on ANY D90, soft-top, hard top, S/W, no top, 
whatever.  The rack is supported by 2 cross bars (similar to the Standard roof rack kit) 
up front, and by the 2 ladders at the rear.  The drivers side ladder anchors just above 
the tail lights and just below the top of the end of the aluminum (just above the license 
plate light); the right ladder mounts to a common point with the top of the spare tire 
rack, so it does not come down quite as far; this way it does'nt interfere with the spare 
or rear gate opening.

> 2)- In the picture I noticed that the lowest step on the ladder hung down
> below the rear bumper. Is this true? I don't want anything protruding past
> the rear frame member. I have already removed the rear bumper because it
> would hang up on some of the steeper drop off's on the trails.

Like I said, the lowest point of the ladders is the right side ladder and its above the 
tail lights so no clearance is lost.  This was an important item to me too.

> 3 - How does this unit install? Is it a direct bolt on? Do you have to
> drill any new holes?

Yes its a direct bolt on.  There are essentially 4 pieces: 2 cross members up front, the 
rear support with the 2 ladders integrated, and the rack itself.  The cross members mount 
exactly like the standard rook racks, the rear support piece mounts to the back of the 
vehicle.  4 new holes are drilled on the right side, the left side mounts into the 
existing spare tire rack holes.  The rack itself then bolts down to the front cross 
members and the rear ladder support unit (6 bolts total).  The whole thing sits above the 
roofline; it does not interfere with the installation or removal of any of the tops - but 
its too tall to fit in my garage.  I normally remove the rack itself and keep the front 
cross members and rear ladder assembly permanently mounted, unless I'm going camping then 
I remount the rack - takes about 10 minutes.  I did have to fashion a couple of 
longitudinal supports to anchor the rear ladder assembly to the rear most front cross 
member; made from some 1/8" angle iron.  These extra supports stay on all the time too, 
the rack sits right on top of them.   

> 4 - How does you're D90 handle with the rack and goodies uptop? Have you
> noticed any difference off road on side hills?

I have not noticed much difference at all with what I have put up there (water jugs, 
cooler, tent, sleeping bags, packs).  The dealer said the rack will safely hold hundreds 
of lbs - I belive it, the damn thing is as solid as a rock even with 4 adults up on it at 
once (makes a nice place to sit at the drive in!).  I personally would not load it too 
heavily when going off-road, 150 to 200 lbs, you can only push the laws of physics soooo 
far.

Let me know if there's anything else you want to know about it.

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:51:21 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 rack

Lee Zeltzer (ISD) wrote:
> Chris what did the safari rack cost? I am considering it but when I
> orginally asked I though the price was over $1,000.
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> (520)791-3323 X 21
> http://www.isdnet.com

I'd have to go dig out the receipt, but I think I ended up paying $1500 
for it, although I received quotes as high as $2000.  I almost bought 
one of the RN racks (I would have if I had'nt seen this rack).  The RN 
rack is only about half the size and was about $1200 when all was said 
and done, so all in all not too bad (yeah it took a while to explain 
that on to my wife!)

Chris Brosious

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From: Deeganj@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:52:38 -0400
Subject: New york Times Article text

Here is the of the article retrieved from Dow Jones News  Service:
Section 3; Money and Business/Financial Desk
EARNING IT 
At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler
----
By MICHELLE KREBS
05/26/96
The New York Times
Page 9, Column 1
c. 1996 New York Times Company
  WITH your 1995 tax refund in hand, you are ready to buy a new car for
your business needs. And, like millions of other Americans, what you
really want is one of those expensive, gas-guzzling sport utility
vehicles. But you know such a purchase would be impractical.  
   Guess again. Because of a little-known tax rule, a sport utility can,
in the end, be much less expensive than a car.
    Under the rule, owners of vehicles that are used for business and
that weigh more than 6,000 pounds can depreciate a larger portion of the
vehicles' value annually than can owners of other vehicles. As a result,
the after-tax cost of these heavy vehicles -- not just sport utilities,
but also vans and pickup trucks -- can often be less than the cost of
many cars of equal or lower price.  
   Consider a person who buys a $45,000 Cadillac Seville solely for
business use. He can depreciate only $3,060 of the car in its first year
and, after five years of taking the maximum annual depreciation, he will
have written off only $14,460, less than a third of the price. To fully
depreciate the Cadillac would take 23 years.  
   Now look at the buyer of a sport utility vehicle, a $45,000 Toyota
Land Cruiser. The amount that can be depreciated in the first year is
$9,000. After five years, the owner will have written off $42,408. By
the end of the sixth year, the full $45,000 will have been depreciated. 
   If the car is also used for personal purposes, depreciation can be
taken only for the time it is used for business. But the advantage for
the sport utility still applies.  
   The reason for this different tax treatment is just 2,578 pounds. At
6,470 pounds, the Toyota Land Cruiser is exempt from the depreciation
caps that apply to the 3,892-pound Cadillac Seville and to every other
passenger car on the American market, none of which exceeds 6,000
pounds.  
   What makes 6,000 pounds so important? The tax code has long given
trucks, which are generally costly to buy and to run, more favorable
depreciation treatment than it has to cars. A decade ago, Congress
picked 6,000 pounds as a simple way to distinguish between trucks and
other vehicles.  
   But legislators didn't reckon with the evolution of the automotive
market. ''When the depreciation rules changed in 1986 and the
limitations were set, the sport utility vehicle market was not what it
is today,'' said Dick Locastro, a tax manager for Coopers & Lybrand in
Washington. ''Generally, we didn't have a vehicle over 6,000 pounds that
could be treated as a passenger vehicle.''  
   That has changed. Among sport utility vehicles alone, many exceed
6,000 pounds, enabling business owners and self-employed doctors,
lawyers, sales representatives, consultants and others to use the
speedier depreciation schedule. They include the Chevrolet Suburban and
Tahoe, the GMC Yukon, the Toyota Land Cruiser, the Lexus LX 450, all
Land Rover models, the AM General Hummer and some versions of the
Mitsubishi Montero. The Ford Motor Company plans to introduce larger
sport utilities in the next couple of years, beginning this fall with
the Expedition, which will probably weigh more than 6,000 pounds.  
   If their owners meet a variety of other criteria, these big sport
utilities offer a second tax advantage. If the owner of the Land Cruiser
used in the example met certain requirements for business income, he
might be able to deduct part of the vehicle's cost as a business
expense. After five years, the owner would be able to write off even
more -- $43,416 -- than he would under the accelerated depreciation
rules by themselves. Again, the Cadillac and other cars would not
qualify for this benefit because they weigh less than 6,000 pounds.  
   And because vehicles weighing more than 6,000 pounds are considered
trucks, they are exempt from the excise tax applied to luxury cars. In
1995, that tax, which is adjusted annually for inflation, equaled 10
percent of a car's cost in excess of $32,000. With the $45,000 price,
the owner of the Cadillac Seville would have owed a luxury tax of $1,300
if he had bought the car last year.  
   The luxury tax, which applies regardless of whether a vehicle is used
for business, is more familiar than the 6,000-pound rule. Even
accountants are only beginning to discover the latter. ''It's not well
known,'' Mr. Locastro said.  
   Nevertheless, big vans, pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles are
the fastest-growing segment of the auto industry. In 1995, some 1.7
million sport utility vehicles were sold, up 12 percent from the
previous year, according to J. D. Power & Associates, the automotive
market research firm. So far this year, sales of sport utilities are
running ahead of last year's blistering pace.  
   And large sport utility vehicles -- the ones most likely to exceed
6,000 pounds -- are the fastest-growing part of this segment. In 1995,
sales of these ''full size'' machines rose 32 percent, to 287,535, and
so far this year they are running about 70 percent ahead of last year's
pace, largely because of the introduction of new models.  
   With sales like these, the tax clause may not stay obscure for long,
Mr. Locastro said.  ''There must be people out there using it,'' he
said, ''because you see a lot more Land Rovers and Hummers out there
now.''  
  04:29 EDT May 26, 1996

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Continuing the tradition

On 28 May 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> Has anyone "permanently" removed their RR bumper end caps? Does it look
> okay? I have already "permanently" removed the front air dam, and that
> looks fine to me. Actually makes the RR look "meaner." Anyone know what
> effect the air dam has on fuel economy?

Dave -- the end caps were an add on to the original RR design; earlier 
models had either none or a simple cap that just fitted over the bumper 
ends. I bet you could buy some.

I too have taken the air dam off, and am curious about fuel consumption 
effects. I suspect it is significant, as mine has been turning in figures 
even worse than usual lately (averaging 12 mpg in mixed driving).

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:56:53 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 rack

Lucas,

Its part # LRNA90SSKK.  Yes I did a lot of comparison shopping, but 
since I do not have the S/W, my choises were a lot more limited than 
yours are.  I beleive this rack would fit the S/W but have not seen one 
mounted on the S/W, hell I've only seen 2 S/W's so far!

Chris Brosious

'94 D90 with the Rack from Hell

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:01:43 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re: Generic parts Replacement -Reply

Would not a list of generic or at least more common replacement parts
be a great addition to the faq or to someone's web site (If there is one I
have not seen it).  I can imagine this being a great list to have along
when something breaks on a trip say Saturday on a three day weekend
 430 miles from the closest LR dealer but right in front of PEP boys or
Autozone. 

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 15:36:11 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  If someone

were to give me the list of the generic parts and respective parts
#'s, I'd be glad to throw up a page listing them all.

Maybe then it would get my butt in gear and I'd finish my little site
I started dedicated to the D90....

if you want to look at the preliminary stuff that I never quite got
around to finishing, here's the address:

http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m210/kolan001/rover/

rover-on!
Bob K.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:51:12 -0800
From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson)
Subject: Re: RR sound system/transmission

>Hi.
>We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>trans filters changed, and fluid replaced. Still hard shifting. At
>normal speeds, trans shifts fine. Any ideas?

When under 1/2 throttle or better, my 1990 RR shifts hard as well.  I
actually prefer that: you get better performance and a cooler torque
converter.  I always figured they were just designed that way.  If I want
softer shifts, I just give it less gas.

>Also, has stock audio (Pioneer). What is this system comprised of? Does
>anyone have original specs like watts per channel on the little amp in
>the back, and the rating for speakers? I'd like to upgrade but don't
>know where to start.

My RR came with 2 Pioneer 30W amps: one under the shelf in back, and one
under the floor of the center console flip-up-lid thingy.  Any good stereo
shop should figure this out in short order.  When the shop goes to look up
Land Rover or Range Rover in its part-matching books, just smile and wait
patiently.  If you're going to do it yourself, then what can I say except
just dig in and start asking questions.

I can wholeheartedly recommend MB Quart 3-way speakers for the front doors.
The mids fit the factory cutout, the tweeters fit on the plastic rear view
mirror triangle, and it's easy to cut out the bottom hole to fit the 6 inch
woofer (wow!).  The crossovers even fit in the doors.  That's what I've got
right now.  I've been searching for better rear speakers, but I think I'll
save up for rock sliders, solid rear bumper, winch, and roof rack first...

        - Scott

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:09:13 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Generic parts -- $40 alternator fix

I agree with William that a generic parts replacement list would be a 
great FAQ, if it doesn't already exist.

The alternator is another one of those parts that *will* go out 
periodically, especially if you botch a jump start, and is unfortunately 
very expensive to replace. When mine died over the Christmas holiday a 
couple of years ago, I found myself in rural Indiana but was fortunate 
to discover a bent little old man who rebuilt alternators for a living 
and was happy for an excuse to get out of the house the day before 
Christmas. His garage was piled to the roof with alternators. His 
cluttered workbench had a rickety system of belts and motors he used for 
testing his alternators. Cigar boxes and jars contained an odd 
assortment of bolts, screws and wires. It was an alternator junk yard.

The old guy had only seen one other Range Rover, but he picked out the 
alternator casing in the blink of an eye. "That looks like one of them 
old Buick rigs," he said. Then he spotted the Lucas nameplate and shook 
his head sadly. Well, I'm getting carried away... The point is, all I 
needed was a voltage regulator, a part he would probably have had had it 
not been a Lucas. He said the regulator was probably common to other 
Lucas vehicles like Triumphs and Jags. Sure enough, a Lucas voltage 
regulator, which I recall actually was a Bosch piece, was available at a 
generic import parts store for about $40.

I asked the old guy what "rebuilding" an alternator amounted to, and he 
said more times than not, simply replacing the voltage regulator would 
do it. Sometimes he would rewind the armature and replace bearings, too. 
But I fixed the $400 alternator for $40 and it's been running fine ever 
since. 
  
-- Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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From: lenagham@bachman.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 96 17:22:07 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Generic parts -- $40 alternator fix

     Shaun,
     
     do you have the part number for that regulator?
     
     Regards
     Mike Lenaghan

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:55:10 GMT
From: Stephen Jones <SJones377@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Discovery Engine Fault Codes

I recently downloaded a file from the Land Rover FAQ site which dealt with
fault codes for 4.0 liter OBD engines (US).  It stated that the digital
readout could be found under the passenger seat.  I have looked under both
seats of my 96 Discovery which has the 4.0 OBD engine.  No sign of a
readout.  Has anyone found such a device on their vehicle?  Could the FAQ
information be faulty?

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 May 96 15:34:13 MST
Subject: If someone

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Here's one for you. The power seat switch. While it's not a tremendous
savings, still, it's better than the LR price.

===========

I couldn't wait! I ran out, bought the seat switch from Mercedes... and
it works! I have full motions! And even attached the switch caps! Paid
$86.10 plus tax. Part number: 0124-820-88-10 (drivers side). They listed
this as the passenger side, which makes sense since the switch is
mounted in the door on the Mercedes.

One minor problem... The switch has an extra part for a headrest
adjuster. I'll either cut this extra extension off, or drill a small
hole in the cover to accommodate it. Maybe I could use this as a... a...
well... I don't know! Anyone have a good idea for this?

Do you suppose Mercedes owners have to clean/replace these every two
years or so???

Dave (sitting in comfort) Brown. ==================

The Mercedes dealer also has the button caps for $1 or $2 each instead
of $5 -$6 from LR.

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|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 15:36:11 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  If someone

were to give me the list of the generic parts and respective parts
#'s, I'd be glad to throw up a page listing them all.

Maybe then it would get my butt in gear and I'd finish my little site
I started dedicated to the D90....

if you want to look at the preliminary stuff that I never quite got
around to finishing, here's the address:

http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m210/kolan001/rover/

rover-on!
Bob K.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:45:01 -0400
Subject: Jim Pappas

Jim Pappas - please e-mail me direct when you get the chance.

Sorry for the bandwidth - lost address.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: mcgee@cris.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:48:34 -0500
Subject: Tach now working!

Thank you to all who replied to my posting about the dead tachometer on my '87.

Over the holiday weekend, about 20 minutes spent fiddling with the wiring
at the back of the newly-replaced alternator yielded the desired result!

...Must have been a bad connection.

Tom McGee
Racine, WI

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 03:06:46 GMT
From: Daniel McDonough <mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: D90 rack

I just returned from vacation, I had considered the LR
Safari Rack. Saw one at the local dealer. Loved it! I
measured very carefully, Figured out you could run
without the basket if you ran some straps on the top.
When I got home, I measured the garage very carefully...

2 cm too tall $@#!! OK, winch and other options might drop
it enough, but what if I got an OME setup? Besides, can't
shift it from the wagon to the ragtop.

Just before we left on vacation, I decided we had to have
something (we were going to do some shopping and all the gear
was filling up the back. All that was available the day before
we left was the Thule setup for the Disco. It fits fine on the
back of the D-90 SW. Carried bulky stuff up there. I didn't
notice any significant impact on MPG. Thank goodness that the
one low tunnel had a bypass, couldn't have made it even with the
rack off and didn't have the 4+ hours to backtrack through
the mountains.

I was happy with the Thule rack, and for serious off road, I
wouldn't want a lot of weight up there any way. I'm not that
tall, but could reach the rack while standing on the rear
tires. (just don't let anyone get in while you are up there)

Now for my questions..

I managed to delete the offer of the D-90 rack. Is it still available?
(does it sit at the same height as the Disco setup?

Has anyone out there moved the spare tire to the hood? If so, do you like
it? That would free up the back for Jerry cans etc.

Only one Disco waved at me, everyone onboard gave a healthy wave as it
passed me outside San Francisco. If you are on the net, thanks!
(I was in the Blue Station Wagon, Vulcan Science Academy)

Daniel McDonough
mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

'95 D-90 SW
'95 D-90 Rag-top
(Both too young to have earned a name yet, but after this trip the
"Thirsty Twins" comes to mind)

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:22:56 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Disco fault codes

Bill Y. wrote:

>You can get a nifty listing of the Disco fault codes from...

>Print it out, put it in the glovebox....

Indeed, a very useful tool.  Unfortunately, *your* government [mine, too
:-(  ] has decided that the consumer does not need to know fault codes.  
Apparently knuckling under to various special interest groups, '96 
Discoveries, Defenders and 4.0 Range Rovers have the OBD II system, and 
codes are only readable by the TestBook.  Cheers

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:06:20 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: A talk with the tow truck driver

Last week when the RR was carried home with a bad fuel pump I was asked who
worked on it.  He was surprised I did most myself.  

He knew the other 2 RRs and the 2 Discos that lived year round in the area
(Lake Sunapee, NH).  He had carried each of them at least once down to LR
Metro West in Mass.  At least a 2 hour ride one way, I did not even want to
know the towing fee, at least mine was covered by insurance.

It is nice to know that if I need to be carried home again it will be with
someone who gets to practice with LRs.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883

 

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:06:22 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: CAR & DRIVER D90 SW article

The July 1996 issue of CAR & DRIVER has a nice article on a trip to the most
remote spot in the lower 48 (US) states, in Utah.

The vehicle used was a D90 Station Wagon. Good photos and praise of the D90
in the article.

The issue also has articles on the LAV-25 8WD 7 seater and some lesser SUVs.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:33:19 -0400
Subject: 530i Tranny

>I have some questions.  According to Haynes, all 530i cars should 
>have come with BW-65 transmissions (all autos, anyway).  

Shop manuals are not always correct, and there is no way to find out what the
PO put in your car.

>OK, so when 
>I look carefully at the drawings in there of the linkage orientation 
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>Anyway, can someone tell me how to definitively identify which 
>transmission is in my car?  Is there a part number somewhere? 

I have never had a BMW with an automatic transmission, but my Range Rover had
a ZF 4HP-22 automatic transmission.  There is a plate on the left (drivers
side) of the tranny just above the pan near the shift linkage.  I know it is
almost exactly like the ZF trannys in BMW's because a few guys on the Land
Rover list in Europe have put BMW trannys from junk yards in their Range
Rovers.

Kevin Kelly
BMW CCA #50039
LROA #1419

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:43:41 -0400
Subject: Sorry

>Subject: 530i Tranny

Sorry, I ment to post this to the BMW list, but I hit the wrong button in my
address book.  At least it had a little Land Rover content.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:19:47 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: RR sound system/transmission

>Hi.
>We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
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>the back, and the rating for speakers? I'd like to upgrade but don't
>know where to start.

Hola:

I don't know what to tell you.......We have a 1995 Disco, and it has the ZF
automatic transmission......I wouldn't say that the transmission shifts
_hard_, but it isn't an invisible affair....At minimal load, with minimal
throttle, the engine will hold in first gear until 2500-3000 revs (can't
remember for sure).......it does a little revving......sounds nice........

I have ridden in auto cars that have shifted very hard (almost abusively)
-- they could be corrected with a simple adjustment....Good luck!

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin-Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:28:29 -0800
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Sorry

At 12:43 AM 5/29/96 -0400, KKelly6788@aol.com wrote:
>>Subject: 530i Tranny
>Sorry, I ment to post this to the BMW list, but I hit the wrong button in my
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>address book.  At least it had a little Land Rover content.
>Kevin Kelly
Hey, BMW and LR's are now one big happy family.  Maybe we should combine
the lists.  Cut down on the confusion in case BMW really does badge engineer
the Disco into its showrooms.   Anyone else hear the rumor
BMW is pressuring LR to run slightly modified 540i's (D130 rear springs,
roll bars, driving lights, a roof rack, snorkle, and winch) in next years
Camel Trophy? :)

-Rick
Thinking how much fun a BMW V12 would be under the hood of my D90.  Did
you say the transmission mounts were similiar.......

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Tue, 28 May 1996 15:16:36 +0000
Subject:       Re: tidying winch cable

Does this mean we can borrow your tractor when we need to re-spool 
our winches :) ( is delivery included ? )

Tomw

> I found a nice way to spool the winch cable so that it's nice and neat.  I
> parked the truck and then hooked the cable to my lawn tractor, backed out
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> (414)792-9150
> (414) 792-9154 (fax)
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Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 08:23:08 -0700
From: campfred <campfred@itis.com>
Subject: GM Fuel Pump 4 RR's

Re: an earlier posting about GM parts.  I found that GM part No. 462-23 
is identical to the fuel pump for a 1988 RR and it costs about 1/2 of 
what British Atlantic charges!

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:37:16 -0700
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Roof 

Bob,

measured the set up last night: from the grounnd to the top of the 
safari rack its 87".  I have the stock tires and suspension.

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

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