The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Disco fault codes

On Tue, 28 May 1996, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> Discoveries, Defenders and 4.0 Range Rovers have the OBD II system, and 
> codes are only readable by the TestBook.  Cheers

	Time for some pin-outs and some inventive electronics to read
	this.  They are just using a laptop on this one, so...

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:22:52 -0400
Subject: Re: At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler

>Under the rule, owners of vehicles that are used for business and
>that weigh more than 6,000 pounds can depreciate a larger portion 
>of the vehicles' value annually than can owners of other vehicles.

Only owners of newer Range Rovers can take advantage of this, the '87-'91
U.S. Spec Range Rovers all have a GVW of 5997.  The GVW of all '92-'95 Range
Rover Classic's (including LWB models) is 6019.  The new MkII has a GVW of
6130.

Kevin Kelly

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 29 May 96 07:30:52 MST
Subject: Re: Continuing the tradition

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Lubrication would be my first guess, besides, it's easiest to fix. You
can get a little squeeze tube of speedometer lubricant from any auto
parts store, or even K-mart, or that "French" store "Target." (French
pronunciation!) ;-)

Mine is starting to "bounce" just a bit at low speeds, below about 20,
so I think I need to do this as well.

As for the "angle drive" device at the back of the speedometer, where
the cable enters: These are a weak point in the speedometer setup, and
I've heard that many a speedometer has been replaced when all that was
really needed was a $70 part. (Even at that, it's WAY overpriced!) Mine
went out, so I bought a replacement, and then decided to try to fix my
old one. They're really not that difficult to fix! What happens is a
small "dime sized" (maybe smaller) circular disk is pressed in to hold
the gears in. This comes loose over time, and either falls out, or just
hangs there, allowing the gears not to contact each other. I "mangled"
mine a fair amount trying to stamp the housing so as to hold it in
place, but were I to do it all over again, I think I'd just clean the
grease off it really well, and use some kind of epoxy or JB Weld to hold
it together. You have little to risk ($3 tube of glue) if it doesn't
work, and roughly $70 to gain if it does work.

Getting back to the speedometer lubrication, I think the cable is a two
piece one, but not positive. If you disconnect the end at the
speedometer head (angle gear) and carefully drive slowly you should be
able to see the cable spinning inside the housing. This should tell you
if it's the cable spinning erratically (causing the needle to jump) or
if it's actually in the speedometer head itself.

Good luck!

Dave (just call me speedo!) Brown

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson
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From: "Gary F. Mead" <garymead@mail.microserve.net>
Subject: Re: Continuing the tradition

At 10:34 AM 5/28/96 MST, you wrote:
>FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
>       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Hi Dave:

Three of my four have been removed by mother nature and me. It looks shitty,
especially in the back, but they just seem to be magnets for trees, ruts,
etc. I wish there was a cover that didn't wrap around, and could just cover
the ends.

BTW, I replaced the temp sensing unit, and the car runs fine now. The EFI
light even stayed out for about 10 miles !!!!!!! I guess the CO senors are
next. Thanks again for the article.

I have one other problem of concern. The Speedometer. At all temps at low
speed, it bounces from zero to 60 mph. It then stabilizies at about 30MPH,
and depending on the outside temp, will not go any higher than 50-60 mph. It
just bounces there. I thought it would be cured by changing the R/A adapter
at the speedo. (Jaeger made [France]; in a Lucas box! [yummy]. Could it be
lubrication ? It is the second speedometer the vehicle has had. In the
manual, it speaks of a speed transducer at the trans, I think.

Any other thoughts??

Thanks

Gary
>#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
>|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
>"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:47:30 -0400
Subject: Re: The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest

Re: OBD II - 

One requirement of OBD II is that the diagnostic system must 
NOT require any external, proprietary box to access.  In 
other words, manufacturers can no longer build vehicles that
only they or their anointed dealers can diagnose.  I don't 
know the precise details of the OBD II spec, but it seems to 
that it includes a protocol to communicate reasonable length 
ASCII messages to the codescanner.

Get thee down to AutoPalace and pick up an OBD II codescanner
box.  

[there's some other stuff in OBD II as well, like anticipating
and compensating for wear and degradation, having multiple 
levels of alert, etc. but those aren't important here]

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:55:04 -0400
Subject: The zero-emission Disco???

Sally (my 94 Disco), just passed her inspection and tailpipe
test at LRMW in Natick.

The result (printed out) was somewhat scarey: ZERO carbon
monoxide ( 0.00% on the printout), and ZERO hydrocarbons
(0000 parts-per-million on the printout)

She runs fine, and shows no diagnostic faults on either 
lambda sensor (glad the LR V-8 has one on the port bank
and another on the starboard- makes comparison easy).

Should I be worried about burned valves?  Or is this 
zero-emission performance typical for the newer LRs 
in good tune?  [I just put in platinum plugs... wow!]

	-Bill Y.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:43:02 -0500
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: The zero-emission Disco???

crash@merl.com wrote:
> Should I be worried about burned valves?  Or is this
> zero-emission performance typical for the newer LRs
> in good tune?

>From what I've seen of the quality present in Illinois emission test 
stations, I would say that a reading of 0.00 is more typical of the 
non-performance and non-operation of the "normal" CO/NOx test stand.

Before I moved to the middle of nowhere, (well, I can SEE it from the 
roof of my house) and had to participate in the Illinois smog sham, I 
saw readings of 0.00 several times.  This was from an '84 VW Rabbit GTi 
with an engine modified with euro cams, big throttle body and tweaked 
Bosch L-Jetronic's.  Yeah - sure...

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Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:47:34 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer (ISD)" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler

KKelly6788@aol.com wrote:
> >Under the rule, owners of vehicles that are used for business and
> >that weigh more than 6,000 pounds can depreciate a larger portion
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> 6130.
> Kevin Kelly

Surprisingly those few that have a D90SW and are using it for business, 
can claim a GVW of 6001#. I guess those expresso holders added the extra 
pound.
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler

On Wed, 29 May 1996, Lee Zeltzer (ISD) wrote:

> Surprisingly those few that have a D90SW and are using it for business, 
> can claim a GVW of 6001#. I guess those expresso holders added the extra 
> pound.

The US spec Defenders were artificially stiffly sprung to allow a 6000 lb 
gross weight rating in order to avoid some federal regulation or other.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:37:09 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler

You wrote: 
>On Wed, 29 May 1996, Lee Zeltzer (ISD) wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>John Brabyn
>89RR

Actually it was to "meet" a federal "regulation".  The previously discussed tax 
advantage applies to vehicles over 6000 lb GVW.  The advantage is that a much more 
rapid depreciation rate is allowed.  

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:46:33 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: D90 rack

You wrote: 

snip
>2 cm too tall $@#!! OK, winch and other options might drop
>it enough, but what if I got an OME setup? Besides, can't
>shift it from the wagon to the ragtop.
snip
>Daniel McDonough

I was under the impression that the rack will also fit the soft-top.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 29 May 96 15:16:54 EDT
Subject: Re[2]: At Tax Time, Your Land Rover Might Not Be a Guzzler

     

     John B says
The US spec Defenders were artificially stiffly sprung to allow a 6000 lb 
gross weight rating in order to avoid some federal regulation or other.
     
I think LRNA's goal was to avoid any gas guzzler  (and/or luxury tax) by 
exceeding the 6000lb threshold- 
Hey whats a rule if you can find a way around it. 
If your 90 is too stiff just swap out the springs for something softer
regards
chris

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:37:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: tidying winch cable

        Actually, I've decided to include my garden tractor along with the
rest of my off road equipment.  I can use the winch and a pulley to hoist it
on the back of the Discovery.  Also, I can strap a shovel and the hi-lift to
the side of the tractor.  Now does that say "serious off roader" or what?  I
bet there aren't any j**ps out there with a garden tractor accessory.  In
addition to tidying up the winch cable after use, I can use the tractor to
mow areas for picnics or places for working on the Disco.  I can even use
the tractor as emergency locomotion . . .

Dave

At 03:16 PM 5/28/96 +0000, Tom wrote:
>Does this mean we can borrow your tractor when we need to re-spool 
>our winches :) ( is delivery included ? )
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>#include <std_disclaim.h>
>*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:06:30 -0400
Subject: Hood mounted spares, other considerations.

Someone wrote “Has anyone out there moved the spare tire to the hood? If so,
do you like
it? That would free up the back for Jerry cans etc.”

This question was addressed in a question from a Series III owner in the Dec
‘95 LROI, Drive Train Q&A section written by Mike Hallett.  His comments are
somewhat relevant here since it raised other considerations:

“Remember, too, the bonnet needs to open fully without the tyre snagging
anything.  Frankly, I think you are ill-advised putting it up there in the
first place.  It is an awful lot of dead weight to dump on what is, after
all, only a light aluminum pressing.  It is asking quite a lot of the hinges,
too.  You will find that most seasoned rough-road travelers are reluctant to
carry the spare in that location because of the structural damage that is
eventually inflicts.  Forward visibility can also be somewhat restricted,
though if you are tall, it probably won’t bother you too much.  Weight
distribution is also improved if the spare is hung on the back end of the
vehicle, assuming you run light-to-moderately laden most of the time.”

YMMV,
Gerry “Phoenix AZ” Elam

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:06:08 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer (ISD)" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Last call on a 94 Disco... Going by June 1st

Friday's the Day, if I don't find a buyer for my 94 Disco I will accept the dealer's 
rather offer. 

So...
If anyone wants a great buy on a great 94 you need to act fast.

31,000 miles, bronze in color, Auto trans, dual electric sunroof, jump seats, brush 
guards front and rear.

The dealer offer is $22,500, the Disco is due for it's $750, 30,000 mile service and 
needs to be registered by June 1 st a bargin at $432, hence my personal deadline. I will 
accept any offer at or above $23,000 before June 1st.

As to the why and wherefore, I must confess I was driven to put a deposit on one of the 
250 "Camel Trophy" Disco's coming in in 1997, so I can have a matched pair of limited 
edition money pits!
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: There's no place like home(page)
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:27:02 -0700

beep, beep! 

I've finally driven my Disco onto the Information Superhighway!
You're all welcome to visit my home page at 
	
	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

and see my Disco at play!

Enjoy!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:43:10 -0400
Subject: Re: tidying winch cable

dmccorma@execpc.com,Internet writes:
>  I can even use
> the tractor as emergency locomotion . . .

But do you have air lockers on the tractor to store the air that you
might need to put under the Disco to get it out of nasty situations?

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:41:30 -0400
Subject: Re: tidying winch cable
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

>        Actually, I've decided to include my garden tractor along with the
>rest of my off road equipment.  I can use the winch and a pulley to hoist it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>mow areas for picnics or places for working on the Disco.  I can even use
>the tractor as emergency locomotion . . .

I heard that LR is going to include a new PTO mower deck option on some 
of the higher end Range Rovers. It will help keep areas looking tidy for 
all those photo-ops. 
-AD

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 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 969-7216, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:43:20 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  Substitute parts lists 

Well, I've gotten some response for the "substitute" parts list, and
I'm currently html-ing it up to throw up on the web. 

If I may be so bold, I have two requests for the group:

1. Please include what type of vehicle (RR, Disco, D90, etc) the part
is for (I only know so much, and that ain't too much).
2. Keep those substitute parts coming! John Purnell, I know you had
the part number for the locking gas cap (which I, in all my usual
level-headedness, left at the pump - one would think that would be
hard to do with  your keys still in it, eh?)

In other rover news:
I put on the Surrey top this morning, and love it! works great at
45degrees, although the first fitting was a little tight this morning
in that chilly weather.. had to wait for the sun in the afternoon to
velcro up the alpine bar.

             - and -

Lately, my girlfriend has gotten into the habit of calling me
"Grandpa Bob," as my turn signal always seem to be blinking.... This
usually happens when I signal for the turn and forget to shut off the
blinker (because, as we know, unless to turn the steering wheel 3/4 of
a full turn, it won't switch off the signal itself). Must be those
brain cells I lost in college. Remember, next time you see a Yellow
D90 w/a surry top and the blinker tickin away on the trail, give a
wave!

Rover-On!
Bob K.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:15:48 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  Re: tidying winch cable 

I heard that the newest option available will be a
"curb-feeler/weed-whacker" attatchment, which can be modified with
some nonstandard parts to also work as a hedge trimmer -  a great way
to prevent some of those "beauty marks" the tree branches on the trail
leave. Now that's what I call cuttin' a path!

Bob K.

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 29 May 96 14:37:46 MST
Subject: Last call on a 94 Disco... Going by June 1st

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Lee,

I'm trying very hard not to be envious of you, and be happy for you! I
ended up taking the dealer's (what I thought) ridiculous offer of $28.6K
for my 9 month old LOADED '94 Discovery with 17K miles. I honestly
couldn't find anyone to offer more! I saw it on their lot about a week
later for $32K. I know it was mine! I could recognize every scratch,
nick, after market mud flaps, dented gas tank, scratched up underside
rear bumper....

I'd REALLY REALLY REALLY like to get one of the limited edition
Discoverys, but I'm afraid that I couldn't even afford to keep the one I
had. (My reason for selling.) I have a LR "marketing bulletin" that
describes them, if you don't, and could FAX it to you if you want. Also
have one on the '97 automatic trans D90.

I forwarded your first note of advertising your Discovery to a friend of
mine who used mine for a week while I was out of town (and LOVED it),
but he's still undecided on getting one.

Keep me informed on the limited editions, I want to see them as soon as
they arrive! The dealer might have a hard time getting me out of the
drivers seat though, and may have to provide me with a towel to wipe up
all my drool! "No! You can't show this to that customer, I'm "driving"
it right now! Wait till I finish this Camel Trophy course!... Hey! Is
that the key in your hand???..."

Dave (the struggler) Brown

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|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:06:08 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer (ISD)" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
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Friday's the Day, if I don't find a buyer for my 94 Disco I will accept the
dealer's
rather offer.

So...
If anyone wants a great buy on a great 94 you need to act fast.

31,000 miles, bronze in color, Auto trans, dual electric sunroof, jump seats,
brush
guards front and rear.

The dealer offer is $22,500, the Disco is due for it's $750, 30,000 mile
service and
needs to be registered by June 1 st a bargin at $432, hence my personal
deadline. I will
accept any offer at or above $23,000 before June 1st.

As to the why and wherefore, I must confess I was driven to put a deposit on
one of the
250 "Camel Trophy" Disco's coming in in 1997, so I can have a matched pair of
limited
edition money pits!
--
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:50:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: tidying winch cable

This model tractor came with air cabinets that work on the same theory as
air lockers.  I think they went with the cabinet designe to get around the
patent.  In any event, they hold about as much air as a locker and also have
a nice oak veneer cover.

Dave

At 04:43 PM 5/29/96 -0400, Sean wrote:
>dmccorma@execpc.com,Internet writes:
>>  I can even use
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>But do you have air lockers on the tractor to store the air that you
>might need to put under the Disco to get it out of nasty situations?

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:50:35 -0400
Subject: Camel Trophy Rumor

>Anyone else hear the rumor BMW is pressuring LR to run slightly 
>modified 540i's (D130 rear springs, roll bars, driving lights, 
>a roof rack, snorkle, and winch) in next years Camel Trophy? :)

The rumor I heard was that the appearance of the Z3 roadster in the James
Bond Goldeneye film this year (out on video BTW) helped sales so much that
they will run modified D90's with Z3 bodywork in next year's Camel Trophy :)
:)

Kevin Kelly

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:50:43 -0400
Subject: Re: RR sound system/transmission 

>We have a 91 RR County with 41,000 miles on the clock.
>When you're driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the highway (5-10 
>mph) the automatic trans shifts hard from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.

Every Land Rover with an automatic I have been in shifts a little hard at
slow speeds (say compared to a Jag).

>Also, has stock audio (Pioneer). What is this system comprised of? Does 
>anyone have original specs like watts per channel on the little amp in 
>the back, and the rating for speakers? I'd like to upgrade but don't 
>know where to start.

My Range Rover FAQ at:
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.RangeRover_ClassicUS.html
has some info on Range Rover sound systems.

Kevin Kelly

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:50:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Generic Parts

I hope we can get a good list of these lower cost generic parts.(Thanks to
Robert Kolander for the offer to put them on the web)  I remember I had a
list for the BMW 2002 about 15 years ago, the only one I remember is that
Rambler rear shocks were the exact same size.  Dave Brown mentioned that MBZ
sells the seat switches for less than LR.  I want to remind people that I
have step by step instructions typed up on fixing the seat switches.  This
has worked for everyone I have sent it to, so hopefully none of us will have
so give money to the MBZ parts guy unless we have a RR with missing seat
switches.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:52:47 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: RR Fuel Pumps

Where were all these less expensive fuel pumps last week when my pump went out?

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA  603-863-7883

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:14:07 -0600
From: John Christensen <johnchr@powerquest.com>
Subject: D90 family tree

If you have a D90, please send me your Year and issue number and 
I'll organize them and post them back to the list.  I noticed
for example that Rich Ruffer has a 94 D90 #664.  My 94 is #775.  

I think it would be fun to see who has what numbers and where 
they are located, color etc.

Suggested format

Year, vehicle number, color, nickname, Owner name, location, email.
If you don't want to include all of this info, at least include the
year and vehicle number.

John

*****************************************************************
John Christensen                    Phone: (801) 226-8977 ext 214
Vice President of Marketing         Email: johnchr@powerquest.com
PowerQuest Corporation              Fax:   (801) 226-8977

             PowerQuest, the makers of PartitionMagic
                   http://www.powerquest.com 
******************************************************************            

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:18:46 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Rumor

At 05:50 PM 5/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Anyone else hear the rumor BMW is pressuring LR to run slightly 
>>modified 540i's (D130 rear springs, roll bars, driving lights, 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>:)
>Kevin Kelly
It was also nice that BMW provided the dealers with Z3s just to let
customers drive.  I had a nice long drive in one when the RR was having the
fuel tank replaced.  The saleman was surprised I was back so soon after only
a 45 minute drive.

Jeff Kessler
1988 range Rover
Newport NH USA  603-863-7883

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:21:59 -0700
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: There's no place like home(page)

Robert Watson extended an invitation:

> I've finally driven my Disco onto the Information Superhighway!
> You're all welcome to visit my home page at
>         http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

Tell us more about that snappy light bar! Is that an OEM Land Rover 
accessory? How did you install it?

Stick to nuzzling tree stumps. I nuzzled a boulder a while back and both I 
and my Rover lived to regret it. One of the body shops I visited afterwards 
insisted that no, they couldn't weld aluminum, but that the rear quarter 
panels were very obviously made of plastic anyway and would have to be 
replaced. Those plastic panels do dent easily, don't they? 8-)

-- 
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:51:29 GMT
From: Daniel McDonough <mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Vanishing gas caps. 

>2. Keep those substitute parts coming! John Purnell, I know you had
>the part number for the locking gas cap (which I, in all my usual
>level-headedness, left at the pump - one would think that would be
>hard to do with  your keys still in it, eh?)

When I'm at the pump, I always put the cap on the rear lampguard. I've
driven away from the pump several times, remember after a couple of
blocks and it is always still there.

One time after gasing up, I drove 30+ miles on the highway, 30+ miles
on dirt. On the return, I found the cap in the road. It stayed with me
for all but the last 5 miles. So, I haven't lost it yet, but I'm thinking
about chaining it on.

Daniel (What was I doing?) McDonough
mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:51:29 GMT
From: Daniel McDonough <mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: D-90 Roll cage cracks.

OK, Now that everyone has had a chance to take their top
off after the winter, anyone notice cracks in the pads
around the snaps? I found cracks at every snap when I
took my top off a couple of months ago. The snaps are
solid, just the padding is cracked.

Daniel McDonough
mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: light bars on a Disco
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:57:19 -0700

>Tell us more about that snappy light bar! Is that an OEM Land Rover 
>accessory? How did you install it?
Well, it's just a chrome (painted black), gutter-mount light bar. It
sits in the drip rails (a.k.a. gutters) when I'm using it and in the
garage when I'm not. The wiring runs down the right windshield molding
in a wire loom and is ty-rap'd to the molding. I have a "flat-4" trailer
wiring connector under the hood to connect & disconnect the lights. The
whole setup, including the brushbar lights cost US$250 tops. Really
nothing special and CERTAINLY not a LR part! (otherwise it would have
cost $2,500!)
>Stick to nuzzling tree stumps. I nuzzled a boulder a while back and
>both I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>panels were very obviously made of plastic anyway and would have to be 
>replaced. Those plastic panels do dent easily, don't they? 8-)
But just think how "bad" your rover would look with aluminum patches
pop-riveted to it's body panels!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

>Stick to nuzzling tree stumps. I nuzzled a boulder a while back and

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@netcom.com>
Date:          Wed, 29 May 1996 14:59:29 +0000
Subject:       Re: tidying winch cable

> This model tractor came with air cabinets that work on the same theory as
> air lockers.  I think they went with the cabinet designe to get around the
> patent. 
> In any event, they hold about as much air 

Its my opinion :) that there is far to much WARM air ..on Land Rovers 
new off road tractor! You know the one they are making to compete 
with John Deere!

Look what a simple wisecrack will start! :)

Tomw
> At 04:43 PM 5/29/96 -0400, Sean wrote:
> >dmccorma@execpc.com,Internet writes:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> >But do you have air lockers on the tractor to store the air that you
> >might need to put under the Disco to get it out of nasty situations?
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: ZF Trannys/Bouncy Speedo

First, I noticed the mention of the similarity between the BMW and RR ZF
transmission.  In my quest of knowledge about engine conversions, I called
the ZF corp. US headquarters and asked the automatic tranny guy who else
used the ZF-4HP-22.  It turns our that BMW uses them extensively in all
models and that even Jaguar used them in their sedans!  It's the same
transmission.  He told me that Jaguar used it because it was the only
automatic that could take the abuse from their bigger engines!
       I've got a problem with my speedo needle on my '87 RR bouncing
wildly until I hit 25-30 MPH.  Is this a problem with a spring or do you
think it's the cable?  Let me know if you've got any tips!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 10:14:39 MET DST
From: 30-May-1996 0911 <heslop@mugger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RR radio another question

Hi All,

I have a 89 RR with the standard Clarion badged LR radio. After having the
battery disconnected, I entered the wrong code. How do I clear it to enter
the correct code?

Thanks,

Brian

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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 7:44:55 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: D90 Surrey/Safari rack/etc.

Hi all

Surrey tops.
Bob K say's;
> I put on the Surrey top this morning, and love it! works great at
> 45 degrees.

Bob, Have left my surrey on sense I bought it 3 weeks ago. This morning 45 
degrees and raining, sometimes pretty hard. I put the heat on (wasn't 
wearing a jacket :>)and drove to work on the Mass pike, no problem... well 
except for people staring at me like I was nuts! (Doesn't matter I'm 
getting used to that!)

Roof racks.
Chris B,
I called LR in Colorado where you had your safari rack installed and talked 
to David in parts. The part# he gave me for the rack is LRNA90FSRR. The 
same part # in the LRNA SW brochure. He remembered when you had you're rack 
installed. He told me that the actual rack is not exactly like the one 
pictured in the SW brochure (surprise). The rear ladder is still on the 
drivers side rear, but only extends down to the tail lights not past the 
frame as in the picture. Cost was $1650. Thanks for putting me in touch 
with them.

I also talked to Steve at Britpac. They have a removable quarter rack that 
bolts to the front safari cage similar to the RN setup. Easy to remove and 
is black powder coated for $550. Steve gave me a great tip also. With the 
jerry cans mounted on the rack you can refuel simply by using a siphon hose 
and going directly to the fuel tank instead of taking the cans down. Why 
didn't I think of that?

Cheers,
Barnett
Now where do I mount that lawn tractor? 
-------------
Original Text
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>, on 5/29/96 3:43 PM:
Well, I've gotten some response for the "substitute" parts list, and
I'm currently html-ing it up to throw up on the web. 

If I may be so bold, I have two requests for the group:

1. Please include what type of vehicle (RR, Disco, D90, etc) the part
is for (I only know so much, and that ain't too much).
2. Keep those substitute parts coming! John Purnell, I know you had
the part number for the locking gas cap (which I, in all my usual
level-headedness, left at the pump - one would think that would be
hard to do with  your keys still in it, eh?)

In other rover news:
I put on the Surrey top this morning, and love it! works great at
45degrees, although the first fitting was a little tight this morning
in that chilly weather.. had to wait for the sun in the afternoon to
velcro up the alpine bar.

             - and -

Lately, my girlfriend has gotten into the habit of calling me
"Grandpa Bob," as my turn signal always seem to be blinking.... This
usually happens when I signal for the turn and forget to shut off the
blinker (because, as we know, unless to turn the steering wheel 3/4 of
a full turn, it won't switch off the signal itself). Must be those
brain cells I lost in college. Remember, next time you see a Yellow
D90 w/a surry top and the blinker tickin away on the trail, give a
wave!

Rover-On!
Bob K.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 8:20:32 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: D-90 Roll cage cracks.

Dan,
The rubber cracking on the safari cages is a known problem. I and others 
have had the bars replaced under warranty. I was told by the dealer that if 
the rubber isn't cured at the right temperature during the manufacturing 
process it eventually cracks, and that there was a bad batch of cages. My 
new one has been fine.
Cheers,
Barnett 
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Original Text
From: Daniel McDonough <mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net>, on 5/29/96 8:50 PM:
OK, Now that everyone has had a chance to take their top
off after the winter, anyone notice cracks in the pads
around the snaps? I found cracks at every snap when I
took my top off a couple of months ago. The snaps are
solid, just the padding is cracked.

Daniel McDonough
mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 30 May 96 08:37:54 EDT
Subject: LRMW service Success

     
     Yesterday evening I picked up My 95 Discovery from LRMW in Natick 
     after an overnight stay they. I confessed to them that I was being 
     extremely picky about having some extra items attended to while I was 
     there, over and above the 15k service.
     
     The Service Technician, Steve, (a Range Rover owner)absolutely 
     excelled himself and exceeded all my hopes for diligent and thorough 
     work in solving every problem that I threw at him.
     
     LRMW is extremely lucky to have someone like Steve on its staff. The 
     car very simply feels once again like it just came off the production 
     line.
     
     I loved my car before, amd have fallen in love all over again.
     
     Thank you Steve and LRMW.
     
     Regards
     Chris Browne
     95 Discovery
     "The Red Baron"
      

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 07:57:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Vanishing gas caps. 

> When I'm at the pump, I always put the cap on the rear lampguard. I've
> driven away from the pump several times, remember after a couple of
> blocks and it is always still there.

My trick for not forgetting locking gas caps is to never take the keys 
out of it until I'm done. That way if I'm in one of my usual muddles 
I can't drive off. The ignition key is attached to the gas cap. Hard 
to forget to put the cap back.

(Of course *real* Land Rovers have the cap attached by  a chain)
;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:58:26 -0400
Subject: Re: D-90 Roll cage cracks.
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

>OK, Now that everyone has had a chance to take their top
>off after the winter, anyone notice cracks in the pads
>around the snaps? I found cracks at every snap when I
>took my top off a couple of months ago. The snaps are
>solid, just the padding is cracked.

LRMW replaced my rollbars due to the cracking. The story I heard was that 
some were made with the wrong plastic.
-AD

************************************************************************
 Andrew A. Dallas
 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 969-7216, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
************************************************************************

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:15:35 -0400
Subject: Re: D-90 Roll cage cracks.

In a message dated 96-05-29 20:58:49 EDT, mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net (Daniel
McDonough) writes:

>OK, Now that everyone has had a chance to take their top
>off after the winter, anyone notice cracks in the pads
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Daniel McDonough
>mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

My whole rear cage was replaced under warranty due to cracks...

John.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:20:58 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Vanishing gas caps. 

I have lost about 4 gas caps on my D-90.
One fine morning as I was filling up, I noticed the "lost"
gass cap sitting in the gutter 100 yards up the  road.
As the pump had one of those auto filling latches, I strolled
up the road to retrieve my gas cap. When I turned around to head 
back, I noticed the pump was still pumping, and the gas spilling
all over the ground.
Needless to say I sprinted back, payed and drove off quickly.

Russ

At 12:51 AM 5/30/96 GMT, Daniel McDonough wrote:
>>2. Keep those substitute parts coming! John Purnell, I know you had
>>the part number for the locking gas cap (which I, in all my usual
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>Daniel (What was I doing?) McDonough
>mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:32:45 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: re: D90 Surrey/Safari rack/etc.

>I also talked to Steve at Britpac. They have a removable quarter rack that 
>bolts to the front safari cage similar to the RN setup. Easy to remove and 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>and going directly to the fuel tank instead of taking the cans down. Why 
>didn't I think of that?
I mount a marine gas tank with a quick disconnect fitting on
the roof rack for my R-Rover. He hose has the little bulb pump
so I do not have to drink gas...
Russ

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