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1 g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)19Re: Disco to Trailer Wiring
2 PurnellJE@aol.com 23Re: Lost Disco Fuel Tank Cover
3 PurnellJE@aol.com 41Re: LRO daily digest - nettiquette
4 PurnellJE@aol.com 19Re: RR Power Windows
5 Blair Gillespie [Gillesp22Fuel Pump
6 Blair Gillespie [Gillesp22Fuel Pump
7 Blair Gillespie [Gillesp22Fuel Pump
8 "Christopher Boese" [cb22Re: Fuel Pump
9 Mark Ritter [70472.1130@20Disco Winch mount for sale.
10 JScabin@aol.com 28Re: The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest
11 Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes43[not specified]
12 mgrove@polarnet.com (Mel35Disco Bike Rack
13 Philip Lochner [plochner28Re[3]: Disco Compression Ratio
14 Christophe Girardey [gir29Workshop Manual For Disco
15 g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)21Re: Disco Bike Rack
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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Disco to Trailer Wiring
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 14:11:53 GMT

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 09:34:41 -0400, you wrote:

>the flat American 4 pin connector from the trailer to my 7 pin 
>connector?

I had to get one from a dealer - they called it a "conv." (converter?)
and sold it to me for US$42. If you have the rear sideways facing
seats installing the harness seems to require removing one of the
seats.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Lost Disco Fuel Tank Cover

In a message dated 96-05-31 17:47:24 EDT, you write:

>Well, I finally did it!  I took my wife's Disco out to fill the tank at the
>local service station and yesterday she asks me where her gas cap is!  I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>type?  Don't really want to spend for an original if I don't have to!
>Cheers!  John

if it is the same as the defender:
D90 Locking Gas Cap:
Locking Gas Cap that works: Stant BG 791 (11591) (From David Rosenbaum)
NAPA equivalent part:  NAPA #7032103  cheaper than Stant Cap. (John Purnell
experience)

I checked price for the Stant cap:  15.95
I checked/bought NAPA cap:           9.95
you choose.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:47:31 -0400
Subject: Re: LRO daily digest - nettiquette

In a message dated 96-05-31 19:55:23 EDT, you write:

>1. DON'T include in YOUR message the text of a message already on the LRO
>daily digest - just refer to the message with a couple of words. ...snip...
>Note that LRO daily digest will truncate a lot of this anyway, and what is
>left makes not a lot of sense anyway.

We have been over this already and as a list-group have decided that it is
better to include as much of the original note as you see necessary to convey
the original meaning, and keep the thread alive... especially for those on
the digest who may have over a day or two between "readings."  (or like this
one where you posted on Friday, but responses aren't read till Monday or
Tuesday.) Sorry for what you perceive as a waste of bandwidth, but that's how
it's been decided to be done here.  

Note that per the group's decision:   RRO does NOT truncate.  

>2. As far as a signature block goes, people are very inventive. But surely
>half a page consisting of 3 attempted renditions of landies/rangies, a
>Note that LRO daily digest will truncate a lot of this anyway, and what is
quotation or
>two AND a name and address is a little over the top, even for an American?

Texas, washing machines and dryers, loud obnoxious greetings to relative
strangers, cheap gasoline, 50 gallon apartment water heaters, car jackings,
T-bone steaks, Junk bonds, Elvis sitings, Hollywood, and long signature
blocks,  we have it all, and a *lot* of it...  I guess we're just plain
wasteful.

besides... we're land rover owners. 

Cheers.
John P

"and Bob's your uncle"

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:49:06 -0400
Subject: Re: RR Power Windows

In a message dated 96-05-31 23:56:36 EDT, you write:

>The front windows on our RR tend to go up slowly and once in a while I need
>to help pull it up.  Is this normal?

Quite so.  This was LR's "driver participation" campaign for the Rangies,
Jeff.  It seemed that the RRs where taking care of every driver need, leaving
nothing for the driver to do.  You know, all that fancy stuff on those cars,
and in their infinite wisdom, came up with this approach to give you
something to do.

John.
D90 for sale.

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 09:00:20 -0700
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Fuel Pump

Good Morning,
        It seems kind of ironic that the last message I read last week and
printed out was the info on fuel pumps. I got to work this morning, unloaded
my rover and went to move it and she would not start. The rover will crank
over just fine and sounds like it wants to start. At least it has spark.
This sudden failure leads me to believe that the fuel pump has decided to
take a dump. The normal hum of the fuel pump upon turning on the key is no
longer present also. Have I guessed correctly or does anybody else have any
ideas.
                Rover on,
                        Blair
PS My S III is so nice and easy.
Blair Gillespie
1988 Range Rover
1974 S III 88 Land Rover
1967 FLH HD
San Luis Obispo Ca.

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 09:21:33 -0700
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Fuel Pump

Good Morning,
        It seems kind of ironic that the last message I read last week and
printed out was the info on fuel pumps. I got to work this morning, unloaded
my rover and went to move it and she would not start. The rover will crank
over just fine and sounds like it wants to start. At least it has spark.
This sudden failure leads me to believe that the fuel pump has decided to
take a dump. The normal hum of the fuel pump upon turning on the key is no
longer present also. Have I guessed correctly or does anybody else have any
ideas.
                Rover on,
                        Blair
PS My S III is so nice and easy.
Blair Gillespie
1988 Range Rover
1974 S III 88 Land Rover
1967 FLH HD
San Luis Obispo Ca.

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 09:38:56 -0700
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Fuel Pump

Good Morning,
        It seems kind of ironic that the last message I read last week and
printed out was the info was on fuel pumps. I got to work this morning,
unloaded my rover and went to move it and she would not start. The rover
will crank over just fine and sounds like it wants to start. At least it has
spark. This sudden failure leads me to believe that the fuel pump has
decided to take a dump. The normal hum of the fuel pump upon turning on the
key is no longer present also. Have I guessed correctly or does anybody else
have any ideas.
                Rover on,
                        Blair
PS My S III is so nice and easy.
Blair Gillespie
1988 Range Rover
1974 S III 88 Land Rover
1967 FLH HD
San Luis Obispo Ca.

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:50:51 -0700
From: "Christopher Boese"  <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

Blair Gillespie writes:

> my rover and went to move it and she would not start. The rover will crank
> over just fine and sounds like it wants to start. At least it has spark.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> longer present also. Have I guessed correctly or does anybody else have any
> ideas.

When this happened to me, unfortunately at lunch and even more unfortunately up 
on a trail, it proved to be a wire to the pump that had worked loose. I hope - 
and I'm assuming that Range Rover pumps are similar to those in Discoveries - 
that that's all it is.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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Date: 02 Jun 96 15:38:44 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Disco Winch mount for sale.

Having just fit an ARB winchbumper to my Disco I am selling my underbumper
mount. It includes the mounting plate and front recovery/highlift jack points.
The mounting plate is predrilled for a X9000 superwinch but the same bolt
pattern is used on varoius low profile winches. It is also drilled and tapped to
accept the superwinch fairlead. It was a very neat and subtle installation I
just like the looks of the ARB bumper. I am asking $185 for the above parts. In
addition I am selling the LR brushgaurd that was fitted with the winch. It has
been modified by having the lower horozontal tube lowered slightly to allow room
for the fairlead. Price for this- $200. I also have a pair of the LR military
recovery loops for sale as they will not work with the tank protector I have
coming. New from RN they are $45 apiece. I will sell both for $75.

								Mark Ritter
								well "kitted out"
94 Disco

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From: JScabin@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:21:52 -0400
Subject: Re: The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest

Hello All,
I've an 89' Range Rover that recently required a radiator rebuild.
After taking it to the local radiator shop for a tank and rodding,
I re-installed it. The questions arose when topping off the ATF.
If I understand the text, it is to be checked when cold in neutral,
at idle. Well, first thing in the a.m. upon driving away, it slipped.
I backed up a bit, engaged a lower gear and it moved away, but 
still slipping somewhat at higher RPM's. I idled in park until normal
operating temperature, it drove and shifted (snappy) quite well.

My question is: How much oil does the transmission cooler typically
carry? Is there a specific methodology for topping off? Air, bleed,
obscurity? How difficult can it be? No, there has never been any 
history of slip at the transmission.

Thanks,
Coleman
JScabin@aol.com

89' Range Rover  (el jeffe)              82 Katana 1000
64' Series IIa  (patatas bravas)       86 GSXR 1100 (fast & light)
86' BMW es

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Subject: This says something about something...
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 22:09:10 -0700
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

....but I'm not quite sure what!!

In article <31b0e4f3.3072888@nntp.best.com>, dsillaway@soldertech.com 
(Don Sillaway) wrote:

Don,

Thanx for another gem.

This reminds me of a story that's supposedly true (aren't they all, but
this one was told to me by James Martin):

A major bank in the UK held a Press Conference to announce the 
availability
of the first ATM's. The attending journalists asked lots of questions 
about
security, encryption, hackers and that kind of thing. Of course, the bank
was well prepared and had all the pet answers.

At the same time, a guy with a Land Rover (translation = Jeep) pulls up 
to one of these early ATM's and wraps a chain around the two handles of
the ATM (fitted to help maintenance engineers), attaches the chain to the
tow-bar and yanks the whole bloody unit, cash and all, out of the wall.

After the initial embarrassment resulting from the TV news coverage,
the problem was reported back to the engineers at the company that 
manufactured the ATM (according to the story, it was IBM).

After a couple of days of research and analysis, they came up with
a solution that did indeed work:

Specify weaker handles.

There's a moral there, somewhere ..........

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                                                       \_ - ___ - _d 
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:21:35 +0400
From: mgrove@polarnet.com (Melvin Grove)
Subject: Disco Bike Rack

I finally got around to trying on the bike rack this week and ran into a
problem that maybe someone else who bought the bike rack can help.  The
problem is with mounting the rack in the hitch receiver.  The rack has a
treaded bolt that is supposed to bolt the rack in the receiver, howerever
the 7/8 bolt head interfers with the slanted metal that is welded as part
of the receiver.  The metal is cut out for the pin but with the bolt head
there is no way it will work and there is supposed to be room for a lock to
fit over the bolt.  Im thinking there is ethier supposed to be a seperate
hith receiver adapter that is missing or that some serious metal grinding
needs to be accomplished to accomodate the current setup.  I find the
latter hard to believe, since you would think they would sell the rack as a
direct bolt on that wouldnt requier any modification to the vehicle.

Any suggestions?
Mel

PS  Went to the Artic Circle last week and had a blast.  Had so much mud on
the car you could even see the rear lamps.  John Dalto hwy is one nasty
road when it rains.

    ______
   /______\__                           Mel Grove
  |   |   |  \                 mgrove@polarnet.fnsb.ak.us
  |---|___|___\____            Ft Wainwright, Ak
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  } I
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_||/  '96 Epson Green Discovery
    \_/        \_/

All men are great in their dreams,
reality just narrows the competition!

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From: Philip Lochner <plochner@icon.co.za>
Subject: Re[3]: Disco Compression Ratio
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:04:28 +-200

Hi Yrjo

Thanks for that input.  Do I conclude that should I wish to convert my =
LC to a HC motor that I *just* need to change pistons?

>What octane ratings do you have available in ZA?

Depends...

No really, I'm not being sadistic.  At the coast we have 95 octane lead =
free and 97 octane leaded.  On the "highveld" (inland, Johannesburg =
area,  where the altitude is +-1500m above sea level we have 91 octane =
lead free and 93 octance leaded.

In the "good ol'days we also used to have 87 octane on the highveld for =
LC engines like mine.

Kind Regards
Philip Lochner
Pretoria, South Africa

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 12:35:14 +0200
From: Christophe Girardey <girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com>
Subject: Workshop Manual For Disco

Hello all,

Since I bought my disco (June '92), I never do anything except 
verifying oil gauge and tires pressure. Maintenance has always 
been done by four different French Land Rover Garage Owners. All 
of them compete in incompetence. 

Stop !!! Today, I want to be a true LR Owner ! I want to know 
more about my Disco, and do myself all basic operations to keep 
it running well !

Does anyone can tell me if a complete but useful and 
easy-to-use guide exist for accomplishing this task.

Thanks in advance.

PS : please don't forget I live in France, so, complete 
reference would be appreciated !
--
Christophe GIRARDEY ( Le Mée - France )
'92 Discovery with 200 TDi engine
Software Developper (Free-lance)
Internet   : girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com
Compuserve : 100600.2265@compuserve.com

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Disco Bike Rack
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 12:15:44 GMT

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:21:35 +0400, you wrote:

>The rack has a
>treaded bolt that is supposed to bolt the rack in the receiver, howerever
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>there is no way it will work and there is supposed to be room for a lock to
>fit over the bolt.

I have the LR bike rack and find no problem as you describe. It is
hard to figure out what is different. My best guess is that you are
missing the spacer that goes between the nut and the receiver.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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