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1 Brian Neill Tiedemann [s19address change...
2 Brian Neill Tiedemann [s18Returned Mail: Undeliverable (fwd) Address change
3 "John C. White, III" [jc21Re: Disco 3rd gear synchro problem
4 Clint Olsen [olsenc@ichi18[not specified]
5 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a46Workin' on the Disco
6 g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)21Open sun rooves in the rain
7 rovah@agate.net (John Ca20Wet Cargo Area in Disco
8 Modern@learnlink.emory.e13Brake Caliper Tool?
9 "barnett childress" [bar28re: Defender Window Sticker
10 "barnett childress" [bar32Sunday Offroading
11 Chris Brosious [brosious29Strange Meetings
12 Nigel.Gent@hertscc.gov.u13110 - 2.5 Petrol - Unleaded Fuel
13 William Owen [IB011CA@sm40 Mag articles-old RR, D90 v. Wrangler
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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: address change...
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:21:35 +1000 (EST)

Hi all,
My address is changing at last! No more am I a mere number...
New address is : bnt@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au
The old one (s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au) will still be ok for a while
as well, but will then pass into the oil leaks on the side of the super
highway. 

Could someone who understands his temper please update the major for me?

thanks,
see you all after exams :(

bt.

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable (fwd) Address change
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:42:09 +1000 (EST)

> Hi all,
> My address is changing at last! No more am I a mere number...
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> as well, but will then pass into the oil leaks on the side of the super
> highway. 

> Could someone who understands his temper please update the major for me?

> thanks,
> see you all after exams :(

> bt.

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Disco 3rd gear synchro problem

Aha!  It's not my imagination.  I've noticed a deterioration in my third
gear.  It only happens during up-shifting, especially if I'm trying to
accelerate quickly.  I thought it may have been my sloppiness, but even
being very consciencious doesn't seem to make much difference.

I better call the dealership.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery, 5 speed, 25,500 miles, one year old on 29 June.

At 12:01 14.06.96 +-200, Matthew Loxton wrote:
>Has anyone heard of a problem with 3rd gear synchromesh which deteriorates
after aprox one year?Supposedly Land Rover are aware of this problem but it
is not known if they have fixed it.
>Has anyone heard of a problem with 3rd gear synchromesh which deteriorates

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Subject: '97 LR update
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:13:24 -0700
From: Clint Olsen <olsenc@ichips.intel.com>

Hello:

I happened to browse one of these "1997 auto preview mags" at the local
grocery store in WA last night, and I decided to thumb on over to the Land
Rover section.  They had a short blurb on the Defender and the CB40.  I
didn't get a chance to read much about the CB40 (no pic, just a sketch)
other than it appears it will have the detuned 4.0L V8 like the Disco.
They also confirmed the auto tranny for the Defender for '97.  I was hoping
to catch a glimpse of what was in store for the Disco for 1997.  News of a
longer chassis and rumblings of some new-fangled 5-cylinder TDi keep me
glued to the magazine racks.  Now if they made this new TDi available in
the states...

-Clint

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: Workin' on the Disco
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:39:30 -0700

Well, the sway bar came off this weekend without any complaint, (10 min)
and the change in on-road driving is noticeable  but only barely and
certainly not dangerous.  I should've done it sooner, I can already feel
the difference in wheel travel/articulation (going over the speed bumps
in the Mall parking lot, anyway :-)  

While I was dirty, I finally got around to extending the axle vents. I
cut off a piece of the rear tube to take it to the hardware store in
order to match the size. When I cut it off, dirt fell out of it. I don't
know, but I think that's a bad sign. Time to change the axle oil, I
suspect! What I did was splice the front axle vent tube  and run it to
the rear axle  where it joins to the rear axle vent tube in a "T"
fitting with the remaining end of the fitting connected to a tube that
goes into the right-rear pillar behind the speaker through the same hole
in the floor as the trailer wiring. So the water will now have to be up
past the "alpine" windows before it gets into the axles. Total cost:
$2.50 + 45 min

Lastly, in response to my wife's criticism of me for "ruining a $40K
car" (referring to the hard won collection of pine-tree pinstripes the
Disco's been wearing lately) I went a got a bottle of Merguiers #7
polish and took to the body with my orbital polisher. Having never done
this before I was a bit apprehensive, but figured if all else fails I
could just take it to a professional. However, to my amazement, the only
thing NOT removed was the dent from a tree limb, all the scratches just
disappeared and the finish looks like it did a year ago when I drove it
off the lot!! (O.K., I'm easily impressed) Now, since there's no more
scratches, the only problem I have is this annoying pull in the steering
wheel every time I go past a shopping mall, I haven't figured that one
out yet. :-)

Happy Trails!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                "Willy the Whale"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Open sun rooves in the rain
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:13:21 GMT

I left both my sun rooves open a crack in a thunderstorm. Lots of
water inside. When I started to drive it came out of the rear air con
ducts (all over a passenger). Dried out 48 hours later.

Is there now lots of rust somewhere behind the ceiling?

Saw one Disco in 3 days in Oslo and one in 3 days in Stockholm. Saw 3
driving around Swedish country side. Lots of RR; no Series or
Defenders visible.

My wave returned from two Discos back home in Boston.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:54:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Wet Cargo Area in Disco

I know that someone mentioned water/moisture under their rear carpet in the
load area of the Disco.  What was the cause?  And more important...what was
the remedy!!  My wife removed her rear loadspace mat last week and her
carpet was soaked!  Other than the occassional car wash, we don't encounter
much water.  There have been no visable leaks around the alpine windows,
and no water pouring forth from the speakers....any ideas!?  Any help is
much appreciated!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:12:30 -0400
Subject: Brake Caliper Tool?

I'm stuck in the middle of repacking the bearings on the rear of my
Defender.  On the fronts, the calipers came off easily, with no
problems, despite the seemingly custom (British Leyland Special Tool
#xxx) bolts that hold the calipers onto the disc.  I'm sure that these
are the same for various Rangies and Discos, so does anyone have any
idea what the tool is and where I might find one before I round these
suckers off beyond repair?

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 7:01:04 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: Defender Window Sticker

Richard,
I asked about those "Defender" windshield stickers while I was at Rovers 
North last year. They told me that those were special for the Camel trophy 
110's and very hard to get.
Cheers,
Barnett
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From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>, on 6/22/96 8:24 PM:
In Camel Trophy pictures I saw the Defenders with front windshield 
stickers that said "Defender" with an LR oval. Does anyone know where to 
get these? I just received two new parts--a surrey top (no more wet/hot 
butt) and a convex side mirror. The surrey came from Europarts on Long 
Island (www.europartsltd.com). They had the best price I could find 
($257) and gave me great service. The convex mirror came from RN. Its 
field of view is much better than the stock mirror, not that I spend too 
much time in the left lane ;-)  Great to have the list back.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 8:08:01 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Sunday Offroading

Hi all,
Good to have the list back!

Went offroading Sunday and what a beautiful day for it. Four D90's out in 
convoy! Three soft tops, two AA yellow, one black, and one SW white. Trail 
was great offering some severe mud holes to cross that seemed bottomless, 
great rock stair steps to climb/decend and a rather harrowing stream 
crossing as you slid sideways, (no choice here :>) down a greasy bank.

Stopped for lunch alongside a beautiful pond before proceeding on more 
interesting trails. Everything was very overgrown and some spots were 
definitely tight going. On some of the tougher sections we did some major 
wheel lifting! At one point we had three people hanging on to the side of 
one truck for ballast due to a nasty dropoff and a severe side slope. The 
right rear tire was about 3" off of the ground! 

Was a great day. The Defenders performed outstandingly and no one got 
stuck. A few observations I made though; Some of the D90's had OME 
suspensions some didn't, I had my swaybars removed no one else did, some 
had all terrains, some mud terrains, some trac edges all different sizes 
235/85R16, 265/75R16, 255/85R16 (33.3"). My point is that we all went 
equally well thru everything the goodies didn't really matter! Good 
driving?

Oh well Now I have to go to work :<
Cheers,
Barnett  

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:09:51 -0600
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Strange Meetings

We decided to take the D90 out for a bit of 4 wheeling yesterday, to 
some of the 'local' trails.  We settled on some of the trails near Saint 
Mary's Glacier, outside of Idaho Springs, not too far from Central City; 
about 1/2 hour drive west from Denver.  Nothing really challenging here, 
except for 1 really steep spot with lots of ruts and tons of really 
loose rocks and dirt( got stuck once, had to back up and try a slightly 
different tack, dug/spun like crazy a couple of times, but made it up 
none the same; I felt better when a pair of motorcycles also got stuck 
in the same place we did!). There we were coming up a rocky trail from 
an old abandoned mine site, towards a little alpine lake when we came 
across another vehicle, parked in one of our favorite lunch spots (hey 
no big deal plenty of room in the Mnts. for everyone!) But the thing 
that got me was not only did these people have good taste in picking a 
lunch spot, but they were in a White '94 Defender 90, just like mine!  
What are the odds of this happening??  I mean I rarely see another D90 
(unless its a group outing) and one just like mine? Anyway we exchanged 
greetings with these nice folks, commented on the vehicles and such and 
soon parted ways.  I did not have a chance to formally introduce 
ourselves, so if y'all are out there, it was nice to meet you!  Wow! 
what a small world it is sometimes

Chris Brosious

"Another White" '94 D90

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From: Nigel.Gent@hertscc.gov.uk
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 14:05:18 GMT
Subject: 110 - 2.5 Petrol - Unleaded Fuel

I've just aquired a 110 hardtop with a 2.5 petrol engine. Unfortunately it has 
no owners manual and I'm not sure if its ok to use unleaded fuel. It runs ok on 
unleaded but I know some engines need the lead to lubricate the valve guides.

Thanks

:*} Nigel.Gent@hertscc.gov.uk

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:45:19 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Mag articles-old RR, D90 v. Wrangler

Saw a new sport utility magazine while grocery shopping at Kroger last
night.  I think it was called "Open Road" and it had 2 articles about
Rovers.

The first was a comparison of the D90 SW to the 97 Wrangler.  It said
that off road the two vehicles matched up point for point.   I'm sure that
J**p paid them off :)    Any advantage the D90 may have had was made
up for by Wranglers limited slip rear diff.  They made a big deal about the
wading ability of both, noting that the Wrangler was water tight with
water almost to its windows while the D90 "drains well."  On road and
as a daily driver they definitely preferred the Wrangler.  Considering the
costs they said overall the wrangler won.  UHHGGG

The second article was on the surprising affordability of older Range
Rovers. (something I'm very familiar with).  Pretty good article all told
with a detailed list of changes each year (maybe good to compare with
the FAQ list) and a detailed list of items to watch for when purchasing. 
Also listed common repair costs.  Noted that the RRs depreciate much
faster than many similar vehicles.  Not bad reading for a general 4x4
mag.

Four wheeler magazine also had its best buy (bargain) competition.  The
Toy Cruiser won the luxury catagory.  However, one judge voted for
the RR because it was the standard by which all other vehicles are
judged and would be a bargain at any price.  :)

I also found an old Disco review which mentioned the 4x4 XPC tires.  It
said they stuck well to everything, except mud, which stuck to them.

And, yes, I did actually remember to get some groceries for my poor
pregnant wife.  She always wonders why I take so long to do the
shopping.

William
90 RR

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