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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 Door Top case

barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com,Internet writes:
> I 
> don't think you got it.

> Is you're friend still offering those door top cases? If so I would
> like to 
> get one. Can you reply to me directly and please let me know.

They are being built.  I think there was some holdup in getting the
extra-heavy thread.  The guy's name is Jack Walter.  I'll try to dig up
his phone number and pass it along...

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 10:35:43 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: Land Rover Adventures III

Dave,
>You make me feel like the kind of guy that talks about IT all the
>time but never actually does it . . . :^)

Just kidding around with ya :>. Actually I want you to get out there and 
have some fun. I know how you feel...looking at you're Rover sitting in the 
parking lot when YOU KNOW it wants to be offroad! Besides, I love to hear 
about others off road adventures! Keeps my day at work from being to 
boring. 

Don't forget how much fun the clean up is! Get all that mud washed out from 
the many hidden areas of you're undercarrage, and don't forget to pull all 
of those sticks and leaves out of your brakes :> 

Cheers,
Barnett
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From: "David C. McCormack" <dmccorma@execpc.com>, on 6/27/96 8:06 AM:
At 06:48 AM 6/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dave,
>Go n' get muddy already will ya!
>Cheers,
>Barnett
>-------------

Barnett,

        You make me feel like the kind of guy that talks about IT all the
time but never actually does it . . . :^)

Dave

David C. McCormack
Hinshaw & Culbertson
175 N. Patrick, Suite 115
Brookfield, WI 53045
(414)792-9150
(414) 792-9154 (fax)
dmccorma@execpc.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:07:29
From: KAACPA@gnn.com (KEITH ARMSTRONG, CPA)
Subject: Synthetic Slippry Stuff

Hi All,

I know that a general discussion of synthetic lubricants v. dino 
juice has run several times and the consensus seems to be that the 
synthetics are a "good thing".

Well, what I really want to know is _specfically_ what have folks 
used to replace the transfer/auto-trans/axle/swivel housing fluids 
with.  My 30K maintenence is coming up and I want to start 
gathering the required fluids, filters, etc.

BTW, we're talking the Disco here folks!

TIA!
Keith Armstrong

D.O.C.C. #1071
'80 Rover SD-1(for sale so I can buy that Paso for travlin')
'92 Ducati 750ss
'94 Land Rover Discovery

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 11:21:52 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: Synthetic Slippry Stuff

Keith asks;,
>what have folks used to replace the transfer/auto-trans/axle/swivel 
housing >fluids with. My 30K maintenence is coming up and I want to start 
gathering the >required fluids, filters, etc.

I'm using Amsoil synthetics for everything; motor oil, transfer box, 
transmission, axle diffs, swivel balls. I love it. Others I know of are 
using Mobil 1, and Castrol syntec.
Cheers, 
Barnett 
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From: KAACPA@gnn.com (KEITH ARMSTRONG, on 6/27/96 6:06 AM:
Hi All,

I know that a general discussion of synthetic lubricants v. dino 
juice has run several times and the consensus seems to be that the 
synthetics are a "good thing".

Well, what I really want to know is _specfically_ what have folks 
used to replace the transfer/auto-trans/axle/swivel housing fluids 
with.  My 30K maintenence is coming up and I want to start 
gathering the required fluids, filters, etc.

BTW, we're talking the Disco here folks!

TIA!
Keith Armstrong

D.O.C.C. #1071
'80 Rover SD-1(for sale so I can buy that Paso for travlin')
'92 Ducati 750ss
'94 Land Rover Discovery

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:32:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: Custom racks/Mirrors/Safari Gard, and off roading. 

>Sunday off roading post;
>Jim Pappas, who was one of the other D90 owners out off roading with me 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>to see :>
>Cheers,
>Barnett

I thought so.  With some of the chats from ya I knew it wasn't 3".   Sounds
like the Moab fun I had a few weeks ago!  I thought I was gonna roll near
the end of the Moab Rim trail.  Dropped the left front off a 4' ledge into a
bottomless hole and started a VERY slow teeter over.  My wife and I both
leaned away from the role and the vehicle came back down.  I couldn't look
to see what the situation was without starting the roll (potential) again.
There was no going backwards with the angle I was at, so the only thing to
do was a deliberate forward drive out.  When I did this the vehicle moved
through the hole and the front left caught the face of the hole and alas,
everything was fine.  Yes the right front wheel stand on the way out was
spectacular!  Just goes to show, had I foot scouted the ledge prior to
attempting the move, I never would have been in that situation to begin with.

Hey, maybe we could talk John P. into getting our fun picks on the net!  Hey
John, ya listening?

Doug Marbourg, 

(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:40:29 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: Caravan to '96 National Rally from NM, AZ, TX (and others)

At 03:33 AM 6/26/96 GMT, you wrote:
>I got myself signed up for the National Rally in Crested Butte and thought
>it would be nice to see how many Rovers from the SW we can get together.

Sounds good!  Are you planning to leave?

Doug Marbourg, 

(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home

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From: Jim Steinborn <steinbor@CS.ColoState.EDU>
Subject: Re: Range Rover/Disco trivial front window question
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:52:01 -0600 (MDT)

> From: KKelly6788@aol.com
> This is a trivial question, but I am curious if any one knows what the little
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> front door "C" Pillars (the pillar that runs between the mirrors and the top
> of the front doors)?  

At speed (e.g going down the highway), the ariflow around a car has a
tendency to pull the top of a partially-raised side window out, so
that it won't line up with the groove in the top of the window
frame. This little plastic piece guides the top of the window back
into the groove when fully raising the window.

-- 
Jim Steinborn                                 ____             AMA OHS
steinbor@cs.colostate.edu                     \  /           AIO NAWCC
http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~steinbor          \/          STOC ST1100

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:01:30 -0400
Subject: Re: 95 RR Classic

>I have recently purchased a 95 RR Classic still under new car warranty.
>It has 13k km on the odo.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>2) Central locking is not locking tailgate - still locks with key.
>3) Under hard acceleration in low (high range) there is a vibration
> under the front passenger footwell. My guess is the exhaust.

Greg, as a fellow owner of a '95 RR Classic, I think you have made an 
excellent choice. I have had absolutely no problems with mine, and am 
very, very happy with it - in fact it is probably the first or second 
best car I have ever owned. 

Remember to follow the maintenance schedule though, and I do change my 
oil and filter every 3k miles. . . 

As for problem 1, yes it is common, involves lubrication and.or bushing - 
simple dealer fix. I have not had either problem 2 or 3 and wish you the
best. 

Peter M. Zavaletta
'95 RR County Classic (Winston)
'95 BMW 318iC (Buttondown)

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 11:40:23 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: Custom racks/Mirrors/Safari Gard, and off roading.

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From: conners@dmv.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:33:35 +0000
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires

brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com,Internet wrote:
> OK, last night I was poking around under the hood (oops er uh Bonnet)
> and noticed several (3 at last count) strange black wires.  One of
> ....
> 3/16" in diameter with a metal core.  The hooks in the ends do not bend
> easily.  Anybody know what these are?  Anybody else have them?

My first contribution to the list - hope it's right !  If the "wires" are 
what I think they are, they are actually the ends of the breather pipes to 
the front and rear axles and to the gearbox. You should be able to see the 
other end on the top centre of each axle.

Stuart Conner
'89 D110

------------------------------

From: Treit Le <Treit_Le@apprise.com>
Date: 27 Jun 96 12:13:31 
Subject: Rust through

------------------------------

From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:05:26 -0400
Subject: Range Rover Michelin tires

I just read a "Michelin Marketing Bulletin" that said that the XMS 244 (the
OEM tire on all '88-'95 Range Rovers) was last produced in October '95, but
that a small number of the tires will be reserved "for OE replacement
purposes - one tire at a time".  Michelin says that the new 4x4 XPC 205/80R16
is compatible with the XMS 244 but, they cannot be mixed on the same axle.

Kevin Kelly

------------------------------

From: conners@dmv.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:18:26 +0000
Subject: Strange Black Wires

brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com,Internet wrote:
> OK, last night I was poking around under the hood (oops er uh Bonnet)
> and noticed several (3 at last count) strange black wires.  One of
> ....
> 3/16" in diameter with a metal core.  The hooks in the ends do not bend
> easily.  Anybody know what these are?  Anybody else have them?

My first contribution to the list - hope it's right !  If the "wires" are 
what I think they are, they are actually the ends of the breather pipes to 
the front and rear axles and to the gearbox. You should be able to see the 
other end on the top centre of each axle.

Stuart Conner
'89 D110

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: It's officially a "clonk"
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:21:20 -0700

Lately, while driving "Willy" around I've noticed a clunk in the
drive-line especially when decellerating or while accellerating then
letting the gas off abruptly. I told the dealer this and it sounded like
a Tech Bulletin item to him so we looked it  up and it turns out to be a
"clonk" not a clunk (what to I know, I'm not a mechanic, anyway).
Apparently one of the gears in the Transfer Case (or thereabouts) wears
the spines causing more than normal play in the drive train.  The part
must be ordered, so it'll be back to the shop again soon.

Is it me, or is this (CSO) list starting to sound more and more like the
LRO, a.k.a. Series list with all the leaks, gearbox, electrical and axle
problems. It would seem the CSO's and the LRO's have more in common than
not :-)

Happy Trails!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                "Willy the Whale"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: A/C troubles

Having just had to take my entire dash apart to replace the heater core, 
perhaps I can offer some ideas on this.

You might check that the vacuum switch is working on the left hand side 
of the heater (you'll have to take some of the trim panels off to check 
any of the possible causes). The vacuum goes through a solenoid switch 
that either allows or doesn't allow the fresh air intake flap to be 
opened. Without taking anything apart, you could try switching from fresh 
air to recirc on the controls, and if the vacuum controlled flap is 
working you'll hear it.

There is another flap on the outlet to the fascia vents; this is 
mechanically controlled by the lever that you turn the fascia vents on 
and off with.

If the a/c is the thing that's not working, neither of these is likely to 
be the problem -- and I don't understand what it means about the vents 
"not opening". 

Glad to delve further into it with more info

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> I am posting this for the benefit of a friend whose 90 RR (US Specs) won't
> keep his commute cool. Maybe there's something common I can help him with and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Vintage Rover Service
> "Since 1994, over a dozen satisfied customers!"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:29:16 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re: It's officially a "clonk"

Bob says;
>Is it me, or is this (CSO) list starting to sound more and more like the
>LRO, a.k.a. Series list with all the leaks, gearbox, electrical and axle
>problems. It would seem the CSO's and the LRO's have more in common than
>not :-)

The real, and only difference between the LRO and the CSO lists IMHO are 
the warrantys for the newer Rovers. I think I'll break down and buy that 
extended warranty for mine. Only one (MAJOR) problem and it will be well 
worth the investment. :<

Barnett
Preparing for the worst
Childress
-------------
Original Text
From: daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us, on 6/27/96 6:21 AM:
Lately, while driving "Willy" around I've noticed a clunk in the
drive-line especially when decellerating or while accellerating then
letting the gas off abruptly. I told the dealer this and it sounded like
a Tech Bulletin item to him so we looked it  up and it turns out to be a
"clonk" not a clunk (what to I know, I'm not a mechanic, anyway).
Apparently one of the gears in the Transfer Case (or thereabouts) wears
the spines causing more than normal play in the drive train.  The part
must be ordered, so it'll be back to the shop again soon.

Is it me, or is this (CSO) list starting to sound more and more like the
LRO, a.k.a. Series list with all the leaks, gearbox, electrical and axle
problems. It would seem the CSO's and the LRO's have more in common than
not :-)

Happy Trails!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                "Willy the Whale"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:43:08 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: coming up to 20,000

My 95 disco is coming up to 20,000 so far pretty troublefree miles  
and I am thinking about buying an extended warrantee. Any ideas on  
where to get one cheaper than the dealer or other experiences with  
them would be most appreciated. Thanks. John Friedman

------------------------------

From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Paul Miller LR
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:02:00 EDT

>Treit Le wrote:
>Lastly, I have had my car serviced at Paul Miller LR in Parsippany, NJ,
>instead of LR of Glen Cove. They consistently return the vehicle will
>something wrong that requires an additional visit to fix. The kinds of 

things
>that a test drive or post service inspection would discover.

I've had bad experiences with Paul Miller LR. In the past I've asked them to 
look at particular problems and they didn't--they just marked it "OK" on the 
service sheet. One time they actually left a greasy rag on the engine when 
they were done. Luckily, I opened up the hood when I got home and saw the 
rag; otherwise, it could have started a fire. :-o (This experience is what 
finally prompted me to install a fire extinguisher.) I've since moved to 
using LR Paramus (Prestige) and have had good experiences so far, although 
I've met folks who have had problems with them too. Why is it so hard to 
find a decent dealer--one that knows what its doing and doesn't have some 
sort of attitude.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

------------------------------

From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 27 Jun 96 11:05:02 MST
Subject: Re: It's officially a "clonk"

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Robert writes:

  > Is it me, or is this (CSO) list starting to sound more and more like the
  > LRO, a.k.a. Series list with all the leaks, gearbox, electrical and axle
  > problems. It would seem the CSO's and the LRO's have more in common than
  > not :-)

I'd say more similar than not!

Similarities:
  Leaks, (oil, transmission, x-case, diffs, swivel balls, rain, wind)
slow acceleration, bad gas milage, aluminum body panels, steel box
frame, heavy duty components, Lucas demons, thin gauge wire used, poor
aerodynamics, expensive parts, squeaky steering wheel, and MORE!

Differences:
  Springs, air conditioning, computer, automatic trans (some models),
uh... I can't think of any more for the moment...

I never thought we should have split the list... but then what do I
know? I couldn't tell a "clunk" from a "clonk."

Dave (I'm confused... but then, I'm used to it!) Brown

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

------------------------------

From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Extended Warranty
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:09:00 EDT

What's the deal on the extended warranty? I bought my '94 D90 used in 1995. 
It had the remainder of the original warranty 3 yr/42,000 mi. Is it possible 
to buy the extended warranty at any time, or must the decision have been 
made at original purchase? How long does the extended warranty last? Does 
anyone know if a second owner can buy it? Thanks for any thoughts.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

------------------------------

From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 27 Jun 96 11:11:50 MST
Subject: coming up to 20,000

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I've heard of people getting them through their credit union or bank.
Don't know how well they work though.

Good luck!

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:43:08 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: coming up to 20,000

My 95 disco is coming up to 20,000 so far pretty troublefree miles
and I am thinking about buying an extended warrantee. Any ideas on
where to get one cheaper than the dealer or other experiences with
them would be most appreciated. Thanks. John Friedman

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Extended Warranty
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:15:40 -0700

I'd heard you had up to about 2,000 mi before it expired to extend it.
It just gets more and more expensive, the longer you wait.  With
warranty claims what they are, I'm sure the ex-maint price will just
keep going up.

-- Bob W.
Living in fear of 42,001 miles
>----------
>From: 	Ruffer, Richard[SMTP:rufferr@moodys.com]
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>rruffer@interserv.com
>'94 D90 #634

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From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:58:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires

Hey Chris,

If I understand your discription correctly, you are looking at
transmission and transfer vent tubes.  I assumed the curved end was to
limit the chance of water getting into the tube.

Jim Cirbus
'94 D-90  #730
'67 NADA 109
------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:43:25 -0600
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Strange Black Wires

OK, last night I was poking around under the hood (oops er uh Bonnet)
and noticed several (3 at last count) strange black wires.  One of these
ran along side the wire harness leading to the Idle Air Control Valve,
at the back of the plenum, and simply formed a hook shape and stopped.
The other 2 wires are anchored at the back of the drivers side cylinder
head.  They too form a hook shape and are connected to nothing in the
engine bay.  I traced all 3 back as far as I could see, one disappeared
under the bulkhead beneath the drivers side, the other 2 went off
somewhere on top of the tranny.  I was tired and it was late so I
stopped tracing the wires there.  These are shiny black wires maybe
3/16" in diameter with a metal core.  The hooks in the ends do not bend
easily.  Anybody know what these are?  Anybody else have them?

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 15:10:42 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Extended Warranty's

Hi all,
>From what I have heard from my dealer LRMW, you can buy the extended 
warranty anytime up until the original warranty expires @ 42K miles.
The price is rather high about $1,600 if I'm not mistaken for the LR 
extended warranty, again a bargain if you blow a diff, break an axle, lose 
your transmission, etc. There are different extended warranty options you 
can purchase. I believe the longest warranty extends up to 100K miles but 
I'm not sure.
Cheers,
Barnett
-------------
Original Text
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>, on 6/27/96 12:57 PM:
>I think I'll break down and buy that 
>extended warranty for mine. Only one (MAJOR) problem and it will be well 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Preparing for the worst
>Childress

Hey Barnett, can you buy the extended warrenty AFTER the initial purchase?

Doug Marbourg, 

(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home

------------------------------

From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:24:15 +0000
Subject:       Re: Disco 3rd gear synchro problem

> Yours is a standard transmission, right?  That's what I have.  I don't have
> any info yet, but I'm going in this morning to get the skinny.  I'll post as
> soon as I know.

No mine is automatic ( which is why I ask ( I don't think there could 
be a problem with a syncro in an automatic ( at least that can be 
fixed easily ! ) ) )

> By the way, Tom.  That had to be your Rover parked at Frye's in Palo Alto
> yesterday during the lunch hour, no?  It was the first time I'd seen it
> since you added all the toys.  It looks ready for action.  I'll bet you get
> some interesting looks from the mallwagon drivers.

That was me, Gee I can't go anywhere without getting spotted these 
days! 

Contest:

I am going on a western continental trip starting Saturday... anyone 
on the list who spots me ( must give time/location and some evidence 
of how you know it was me ) will get a free Ale! :)

Tomw

> Cheers!
> John
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 58 lines)]
> >#include <std_disclaim.h>
> >*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
http://www.fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: FW: Extended Warranty's
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:23:12 -0700

>WOW! I was quoted in the $2,400 range! Maybe I should drive to Boston,
>to get it? The $800 diff would just about pay for the trip/vacation!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>Cheers,
>Barnett

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: TomW's Contest
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:27:02 -0700

>Contest:
>I am going on a western continental trip starting Saturday... anyone 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>of how you know it was me ) will get a free Ale! :)
>Tomw
Tom, don't read this...

Ok, everybody else, be sure post notes to the list when you see the
"light brigade". If we all conspire, er I mean work together, we can get
Tom to buy all the beer at Portland!

OK Tom, you can read now.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |~~_|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                "Willy the Whale"
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/

>Contest:

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:42:20 -0600
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: It's officially a "clonk"

barnett childress wrote:
>... I think I'll break down and buy that
> extended warranty for mine. Only one (MAJOR) problem and it will be well
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Preparing for the worst
> Childress

Barnett,
what extended warranty are you talking about?  is it something LRNA offers or is it 
thru a private co or what?  

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:47:50 -0600
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires

conners@dmv.co.uk wrote:
> brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com,Internet wrote:
> > OK, last night I was poking around under the hood (oops er uh Bonnet)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> other end on the top centre of each axle.
> Stuart Conner
> '89 D110

Many thanks to ya'll for answering my question, yes the 'strange black 
wires' are indeed the breathers for the diffs and gearbox.  
Chris Brosious
'94 D90 that's 'Breathing Easier'

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 15:48:51 EST
From: "Michael Lenaghan" <lenagham@bachman.com>
Subject: Re: Problem using A/C on '87 RR

     
Dave,

it was me that suggested the fuel temp sensor after your original post. Given 
your additional symptoms I would check 2 additional things:

1. The ECU does have an input to it that tells it when the A/C is on - check the
wiring to see if this is working. The diagrams are in the workshop manual.

2. The idle speed is conrtrolled by the ECU sending signals to the stepper motor
at the rear odf the plenum chamber - its possible that this is sticking. 
Disconnect it, remove it and give it a liberal spraying with WD40 and 
reassemble.

While you're at it check all vacuum lines for leaks its possible that you have a
problem all the time that the ECU is compensating for but is made worse with the
A/C load. If you haven't already serviced the crankcase ventilation circuit this
is a good place to start - the T-piece perishes and the small vacuum tube to the
plenum chamber from the T-piece may be perished. To find the T-piece I'm talking
about follow the tube from the flame trap that is screwed into the front of the 
right hand side valve cover.

Regards
Mike
> Subject: Problem using A/C on '87 RR
> Author:  debrown@srp.gov at inetmail

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 39 lines)]
> | _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us." 
> "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

------------------------------

From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:31:21 +0000
Subject:       RE: TomW's Contest

> >Contest:
> >I am going on a western continental trip starting Saturday... anyone 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> "light brigade". If we all conspire, er I mean work together, we can get
> Tom to buy all the beer at Portland!

Oops! I read it!

Uhmmm.... read the fine print folks... I said "A" free Ale.....
If you folks want to share IT ( as in one Ale ) thats fine with with 
me :)

Tomw

> OK Tom, you can read now.
>     _____
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>     \_/        \_/                "Willy the Whale"
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/
---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering
tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
http://www.fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:10:31 -0400
From: BRADLEY***************** <jethro@li.net>
Subject: Lifes a beach

>From the dumb question department:

What is the proper tire pressure for deep sand at the beach and what
gear/diff  selection would be appropriate?  

Stock '95  Disco (auto tranny)

Thanks,
Brad..........;-)
####################################################
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Come visit my WEBSITE
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You will need Netscape V2
----Se ya there,   Jethro
####################################################

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:25:44 -0400
From: BRADLEY***************** <jethro@li.net>
Subject: Lifes a beach

>From the dumb question department:

What is the proper tire pressure for deep sand at the beach and what
gear/diff  selection would be appropriate?  

Stock '95  Disco (auto tranny)

Thanks,
Brad..........;-)
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Date: 27 Jun 96 19:19:17 EDT
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Extended Warranty

I am in the process of trading in the 90RR on an SE7. From what the dealer said,
the extended warrantee is bumper to bumper 7yr/100,000 miles. It can be
purchased up until 1yr/10,000miles. The only risk was price increase from $1800.
Also they said there was a $100 deductible that would be waived if I had the
service done with them. I am very likely going to do it after the amount of
money I have put into the RR.

LandRover The Best $x$ By Far

  
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     EEEI           EEEI

>> What's the deal on the extended warranty? I bought my '94 D90 used in 1995.
It had the remainder of the original warranty 3 yr/42,000 mi. Is it possible 
to buy the extended warranty at any time, or must the decision have been 
made at original purchase? How long does the extended warranty last? Does 
anyone know if a second owner can buy it? Thanks for any thoughts. <<

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 27-Jun-1996

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 19:36:59 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: It's officially a "clonk"

Chris,
The extended warranty I'm talking about is offered by my dealer LRMW, and 
is an extention of the original factory warranty.
Cheers, 
Barnett
-------------
Original Text
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>, on 6/27/96 1:42 PM:
barnett childress wrote:
>... I think I'll break down and buy that
> extended warranty for mine. Only one (MAJOR) problem and it will be well
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Preparing for the worst
> Childress

Barnett,
what extended warranty are you talking about?  is it something LRNA offers 
or is it 
thru a private co or what?  

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 19:44:04 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires

Chris,
Are you sure that the rear diff is vented to the engine compartment? I was 
talking to Jim Mitchell at Rovers North yesterday and he told me that 
surprisingly the rear diff breather only vents under the body and not up to 
the engine compartment like the front diff! After several water crossings 
he said that the oil was very milky in the rear diff only. He was looking 
into extending the vent out to the engine with the others. Can you confirm 
this?
Cheers,
Barnett
-------------
Original Text
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>, on 6/27/96 1:47 PM:
conners@dmv.co.uk wrote:
> brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com,Internet wrote:
> > OK, last night I was poking around under the hood (oops er uh Bonnet)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> My first contribution to the list - hope it's right !  If the "wires" are
> what I think they are, they are actually the ends of the breather pipes 
to
> the front and rear axles and to the gearbox. You should be able to see 
the
> other end on the top centre of each axle.
> Stuart Conner
> '89 D110
> > ....

Many thanks to ya'll for answering my question, yes the 'strange black 
wires' are indeed the breathers for the diffs and gearbox.  
Chris Brosious
'94 D90 that's 'Breathing Easier'

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From: Modern@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:24:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires

barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com,Internet writes:
> Are you sure that the rear diff is vented to the engine compartment? I
> was 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> into extending the vent out to the engine with the others. Can you
> confirm 
> this?

The rear diffs on all D90's I've seen (94-95) have breathers which do
NOT go all the way the engine compartment.  I'd be surprised if some
did.  You can and should extend the tubing to the engine compartment or
above to prevent your diff from sucking water when the hot diff hits
cold water.  If you haven't done this and have had your car offroad,
have your dealer look at and consider replacing the rear wheel bearings
and definately change out your diff fluid.  Trust me, both of my
bearings are TOAST after 20k miles (only 4k of mine).

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:14:43 -0500
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Re: Synthetic Slippry Stuff

>Well, what I really want to know is _specfically_ what have folks
>used to replace the transfer/auto-trans/axle/swivel housing fluids
>with.  My 30K maintenence is coming up and I want to start
>gathering the required fluids, filters, etc.

Keith:

In our 95 Disco, I am running Mobil 1 in the crankcase, and Mobil 1 Gear
Lube everywhere else.  One thing that I'd check with the dealer....When I
wanted to put Mobil 1 in the ZF (Auto Tranny), both my dealer and LRNA said
that that was a no-no...Hmmm no idea why.....they said dino juice for ZF
only..... oh well....

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:20:08 +0000
Subject:       Re: Roll over angle testing ( NEW PICS TOO! )

OK! I have some pictures from my recent Safari Gaurd trip of ~30 to 
35 degrees side slopes  ( complete with someone hanging on to my roof 
racks to keep me from going over ) I was going to post em tonight but 
I'll start it now... My front tire is about 3 to 4 feet in the air!

they will be @

my disco @ safari gaurds' track ( ~ 20 pics )
http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/light_brigade

7.jpg shows 35 deg down 
2 thru 6.jpg shows sidehill!, check out 19.jpg for long wheel travel ( 
and the rest are good also ! )

a lot of Gregs products digitized ( I have to redo some, and YES!!! I 
will make a real WEB page of them real soon, but for now its just jpegs! )

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/safari_gaurd
alot of pics here!

also picture of the Not-a-coast ( soon to be a web page based off the 
story posted on the net ( $40 dollar man! ) )

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/forty_dollar_trip 

and last but not least 4 broken diff pictures

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/diff

Tomw

I am almost done transfering them up right now ( my server is @ the 
ISP for higher bandwidth :)

> BobW said:
> >Any volunteers? :-)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)]
> Somehow it didn't get past the talking stage.  Bunch o' Lazy-Buggers[tm]...
> Granny
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                       Fluent Networks
             "Intelligent Networking Solutions"
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tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
http://www.fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:30:32 +0000
Subject:       RE: TomW's Contest

Hey! You missed it but I saw saw you, and waved my bagel at you! Its a 
darn good thing I didn't have the cappucino in my hand at the time !

Sadly,It will be a stretch for lunch, ok twist my arm
Since I haven't started my trip yet.....
but you did pick me and the time correctly ( although you didn't see 
the bagel :-0 .. ) I'll pay for half yer ALE ( ahhh the empty half, 
ya thats it :)

PS: for all you beer loafers ( people trying to mooch free beer off 
me! ) I DONT START MY TRIP TILL SATURDAY!!! AND I LEAVE AT 6 AM IN 
THE MORNING!!!! :)

Tomw

> >From Tomw
> > Contest:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> driving in. The brews are on Tom ! 
> -Doug
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                       Fluent Networks
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tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com
http://www.fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:32:41 +0000
Subject:       Re: Strange Black Wires

This is the case for a Disco. Its not all that high in the rear!

Tomw

> Chris,
> Are you sure that the rear diff is vented to the engine compartment? I was 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 38 lines)]
> wires' are indeed the breathers for the diffs and gearbox.  
> Chris Brosious
> '94 D90 that's 'Breathing Easier'
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http://www.fluentnet.com
95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
#include <std_disclaim.h>
*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:48:07 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: NJ LR dealers was "Paul Miller LR"

At 02:02 PM 6/27/96 EDT, you wrote:
>>Treit Le wrote:
>>Lastly, I have had my car serviced at Paul Miller LR in Parsippany, NJ,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>Morristown, NJ
>rruffer@interserv.com
>'94 D90 #634
Since you are talking about NJ LR dealers, let me add a few cents about
Schneider & Nelson in W Long Branch NJ.

For the past several years, whenever we visited my folks, I would drop by
and look over the current models and pick up a brochure.  They were always
friendly and happy to let me examine the vehicles.  On most of the recent
visits, Linda Savino was the sales person that answered my questions.

I do not know how service is there since our RR is not the vehicle we take
down there.

Last Saturday they had two '92 RRs out front asking in the mid $20s along
with two D90 soft tops.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 00:26:22 PDT
From: aland@ibm.net (Alan DuBoff)
Subject: New to this list...

Hi,

I'm new to this list. I got an '88 Range Rover a few months back and
wanting to learn some more about them, in the event I need to work on
it.

I can only find many parts at my local Land Rover dealer in San Jose,
CA. They are friendly and helpful, but prices are not great.

For instance, I bought a service manual ($133) and they charge about
$57 for a binder to hold this peculiar UK 4 hole punch...I did buy the
binder because I wanted to be able to flip through it easily, but
wasn't happy about it.

When I bought my 'rover, one of the attractions was that you can buy
parts ANYWHERE in the world. Well, you can, but you just can't find a
lot of them in where I'm at...;-) Oh, if you wanted to buy the parts
in some third world country, you could probably. Try and buy them in
Silicon Valley though...;-)

So I go to get the brakes worked on and naturally they can't get
rotors, I have to end up buying them from the dealer anyway. I don't
mind getting parts at the dealer, like the rotors seemed like well
built items.

Are there places in the states that will do mail order and have better
prices than the dealer, or is the dealer about the best for some stuff
?

I don't work on my cars too much yet, but thinking about doing some
repairs when needed on the 'rover, hence why I bought the service
manual.

I bought my 'rover to haul a boat with, and like it a lot. Although I
know there will be repairs that are needed, it runs well.

It has 90K miles on it, anything I should look for at that point ?

Alan DuBoff
aland@ibm.net
Moorigami, Moore 24 #77

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From: "Gary Stamp (MS Mail)" <GStamp@tctrd1.crosfield.co.uk>
Subject: check your nuts!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:44:00 gmt

Coming to work this morning I pulled over to help a fellow RR who had a flat 
tyre on the rear nearside.

In fact he hadn't a flat tyre, he had NO tyre at all !!

As he came round a right hand bend, the rear wheel came off and overtook 
him. Four of the wheel nuts had fallen off at the bend, the fifth had 
snapped off with the stud. The tyre had pushed out the rear panel and the 
stone guard was bent
around the disc. Other than that, the wheel was undamaged and the brakes, 
axle etc O.K.

3weeks prior, a new tyre was fitted. I assume the nuts were not correctly 
tightened...

Is this very unusual...
/Gary

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 7:14:27 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: Roll over angle testing ( NEW PICS TOO! )

Tom,
Thanks so much for posting the Safari Gard pics to you're web page.
I have been waiting patiently for my order for almost three months now, 
drooling over some of the pictures Greg had sent me. WOW, some of the 
pictures on you're web page show some incredible axle droop/articulation. 
Are these rigs running Greg's rear suspension drop kit?

I just received my diff gards and air rock sliders yesterday. The build 
quality looks very high. Unfortunately Greg didn't send me any of the air 
lines, fittings, or HDW to install the sliders! :<

Have to call him back today. I wanted to get this stuff installed for the 
Downeast rally in Maine 7/5/96. Other good news is now that Greg has 
cleared out some of the rigs he was working on in his shop, my Superwinch 
bumper/brushbar setup will/should finally be finished and off to the 
powdercoaters by the end of next week. 
Cheers,
Barnett
-------------
Original Text
From: daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us, on 6/27/96 5:57 PM:
OK! I have some pictures from my recent Safari Gaurd trip of ~30 to 
35 degrees side slopes  ( complete with someone hanging on to my roof 
racks to keep me from going over ) I was going to post em tonight but 
I'll start it now... My front tire is about 3 to 4 feet in the air!

they will be @

my disco @ safari gaurds' track ( ~ 20 pics )
http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/light_brigade

7.jpg shows 35 deg down 
2 thru 6.jpg shows sidehill!, check out 19.jpg for long wheel travel ( 
and the rest are good also ! )

a lot of Gregs products digitized ( I have to redo some, and YES!!! I 
will make a real WEB page of them real soon, but for now its just jpegs! )

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/safari_gaurd
alot of pics here!

also picture of the Not-a-coast ( soon to be a web page based off the 
story posted on the net ( $40 dollar man! ) )

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/forty_dollar_trip 

and last but not least 4 broken diff pictures

http://www.fluentnet.com/lr/diff

Tomw

I am almost done transfering them up right now ( my server is @ the 
ISP for higher bandwidth :)

> BobW said:
> >Any volunteers? :-)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> JohnO said:
> >Actually, yes, although I'll have to borrow someones Disco. But 
seriously=
> 
> >folks; perhaps some of you have seen the early factory picture of the
> >topless 88 with two wheels on a garage lift and the other two on the 
ground=
> 
> >as a means of controllably tilting it? It also had a large degree meter 
on=
> 
> >the windscreen indicating just past 45deg. The fellow behind the 
steering=
> 
> >wheel had a look of stern concentration on his face. I think there was 
some=
> 
> >padding or other means of limiting its roll if it should go on over.
> I'm reminded that there was a great deal of discussion before the first
> Mendocino Forest notaRallye about doing a tipping test (I believe the 

Snark
> had been elected at the time but now we need a Discovery--Bob?).  Our 
plan
> was to attach tow straps to the frame, etc. on the "downhill" side and 
have
> strap holders stand on the "uphill" side and hold while others on the
> "uphill" side lift and push until the two balance each other.  Sort of a
> perverse Lazy-Bugger tug-o-notawar? 
> We were going to do a Ramp Travel Index (=E0 la Four-Wheeler magazine) 

test
> too.  I think Vance was going to build a ramp which could be broken down 
for
> storage.
> Somehow it didn't get past the talking stage.  Bunch o' 
> perverse Lazy-Bugger tug-o-notawar? 
Lazy-Buggers[tm]...
> Granny
> Somehow it didn't get past the talking stage.  Bunch o' 
> perverse Lazy-Bugger tug-o-notawar? 
> We were going to do a Ramp Travel Index (=E0 la Four-Wheeler magazine) 

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:41:59 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Change in LRNA warranties TODAY

I just got off the phone with Bill Frank of LRWM.  He said that ITT used to
write LR extended warranties but the sold the business to a German Bank.
The bank re-rated LR and is saying a 7/100 warranty will go to $3000.  Not
good.  So LRNA (I assume it isn't metrowest) is moving to CNA, which is
Continental, I think.  They will be offering a 7/85 warranty in the $1800
range.

Now, here is the freaky part.  Bill said today is the last day he can write
ITT policies.  He said these guys are good to deal with, and the service
department likes them.  The ITT policy is identical to the LR basic
warranty, bumper-to-bumper and transferrable.  It isn't clear that the CNA
policies will follow this path.  Plus, ITT is $100 cheaper and 15k longer.

Anybody got any ideas?  I'm severely tempted to jump on it today.  Does
this sound like a line (a really doubt it)?  Anybody got experience with
CNA on car waranties?

Thanks, and hurry!
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:43:14 -0400
Subject: Land Rover Quality

It looks like Land Rover has not made "quality job one".  The Range Rover was
the worst of all cars/trucks sold in the U.S. in the J.D. Powers 1996 survey
of initial quality with 216 problems per 100 vehicles, the Disco was 6th
worst with 176 problems Lexus was best (and second best and third best) with
45 problems per 100 vehicles. The Ford Explorer and F series trucks had 104
and 114 problems per 100.  Believe it or not Jag was under 100 with 94
problems per 100 cars sold.

Kevin Kelly

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From: "Ruffer, Richard" <rufferr@moodys.com>
Subject: Re: Strange Black Wires
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:46:00 EDT

All this talk about a short rear diff breather has given me a Saturday 
project. Has anyone extended their breather pipe? I remember some posts from 
Disco folks a while back. What kind of pipe did you use? How did you connect 
it to the existing pipe? Is there a good place to run the pipe in the back 
of a Defender instead of having to run it all the way to the engine 
compartment? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

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