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Date: 06 Mar 97 06:50:38 EST
From: Chris Marsden <100620.2156@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: GLEAM
Alan
> Walks at 9:00pm on 09 April.
Does this mean Mrs Master Baiter, and master Master Baiter are exposed as anti
RoW activists, without spreading their anti propagander? She should get chucked
out of gleam for that, or probably get made a life member.
How did you get the advance notice?
Chris
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 11:56 GMT0
From: srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Rawlings)
Subject: == No Subject ==
TRF Web site. I have not had a look yet!
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/trf
Steve Rawlings
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Date: 06 Mar 97 07:34:09 EST
From: Chris Marsden <100620.2156@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Open or closed list?
> All postings must have Name, Interest (eg AWDC, BHS, Ramblers etc) and County
Yes I am coming round firmly to this way of thinking, however it was I believe,
right to start cautiously, sound out views of List subscribers, and make what is
probably an irrevocable decision after deliberation.
Nettiquette is more than a social grace, area or county is very helpful and as
you say interest group when relevant. A apt subject helps when searching old
mails for one of Tim's Gems.
Chris
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Date: 06 Mar 97 07:50:14 EST
From: Chris Marsden <100620.2156@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: List Membership
For your info. a list of those subscribed to the list is
Members of list 'row':
/var/mail/row-daily
100620.2156@compuserve.com
101360.3273@compuserve.com
caloccia@senie.com
ukpad@software-ag.de
106321.1523@compuserve.com
TimLARA@aol.com
srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk
Donald_Scott@compuserve.com
central4x4@zetnet.co.uk
gl@mikecat.demon.co.uk
Tilbo@aol.com
user@rsltd.softnet.co.uk
doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk
halftone@cix.compulink.co.uk
106366.1275@compuserve.com
crt@crt.compulink.co.uk
dstaniforth@cix.compulink.co.uk
GSeymour@mp.sihe.ac.uk
ddavie@tridex.co.uk
philt@innotts.co.uk
alan@highwayman.demon.co.uk
Sorry full names not available.
Chris
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Subject: Re: TRF (Trail Riders Fellowship)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 12:29:13 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>
I've prowled about there, it actually seems to be a decent resource for
folks interested in keeping RoWs open, and their published perspective
seems to be quite close to the attitued fo folks on this list,
with respect to keeping the proper level of classification.
Sitting on this side of the pond, it seems like they'd make good allies
in persuing vehicular RoWs.
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/trf
This and other pointers are available off this list's page at
http://www2.land-rover.team.net/row/
Cheers,
Bill Caloccia wpc@Caloccia.Net
http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
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http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
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2 4 4wd L | 2 because
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:49:50 +0000
From: alan kind <alan@highwayman.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: GLEAM
In message <970306115037_100620.2156_BHL119-1@CompuServe.COM>, Chris
Marsden <100620.2156@CompuServe.COM> writes
>Alan
>> It's on! Channel 4's Undercover Britain series is showing Dangerous
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>Chris
>From ADK. How do I know? Because the fragrant Rhonda, prog-researcher,
who i pointed towards Mrs M in the first place, told me it was on, as
she promised she would. Mrs M avoids being obnoxious on camera, but
evidently the fruit of her loins makes up for her. I am told, but don't
know, that the restrained approach of the programme maker allows the
various antis to hang themselves without any help. Subtle stuff.
--
Alan kind
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Date: 06 Mar 97 18:43:50 EST
From: Chris Marsden <100620.2156@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Re: Mailing List
Bill
> I would think that the opponents, or the 'no heavier traffic than mine' lot,
> if having resources (within their respective organizations of interest),
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> areas, and summilarily devise strategies to fight the step-wise refinement
> of the widening scope.
That's a paragraph and a half.!
I think we will be welcoming all and Sundry (and Mundry & Tuesday... as Tim
would say).
That could make for an interesting List, so long as the Horsey and he Bikey and
the 4 wheely lot dont all go their separate ways as soon as it gets going!
>Effectively, if you try to make the most useful material avaialble to the
widest audience possible that can use - to fight for the proper classifcation
of lanes in their back yard, so to speak, then the materials and methods will,
after some period, become available or obvious to the opposite side.
If the other groups do join this List we may all have better advice to go into
PI's with.
Chris
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Date: 07 Mar 97 01:52:49 EST
From: Chris Marsden <100620.2156@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Open or closed list? Access to information ? Consider that...
Bill,
> If I've understood some of what I read, it is the duty of the gov't
organizatios
> (from what has already been passed into law by Parliament) to clearly mark the
> lanes in question as to their level of access, and to make this info available
> in map form.
Only BOATS have to be shown on the def map and signed where they leave the
metalled road, there is no need to mark County Roads. But the ironic thing is
that they may have had the same provenance, even possible different part of the
same route, they may look identical, and carry exactly the same traffic, but one
has a high degree of protection as it is on the def map, the other is on the
list of streets and can be kept quite, and then got rid of as knowbody uses it
as nobody knew it was there.
> I can only presume that this information has commercial value if it is not
> widely or easily available. I am not familiar with the issue of the info
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> information was indeed freely available, there would be no reason why a local
> tourist office would not have it (unless the management was against such use).
Yes (most) are and give a dirty look "We don t encourage that sort of thing
here" (Brecon 1996)
It might have some commercial value but is not widely exploited, except some O/R
schools take people on trips as it takes time and some knowledge to find the
maps to find the lanes.
> If there is concern about the conditions of lanes in inclimate weather (ok,
> so the other 10 months of the year), then those concerns should be included
> with the route information, and as readily available.
The concern is (true or not) that certain types will *choose* the seasonal
routes to go and play in the mud. This will not do the greenlane cause any good
if it does happen. But it is just as likely to happen on lanes regardless of
vehicular rights or not, by yobbos, probably in stolen cars or on unlicenced
bikes etc.
> Distribution Channels:
> The major advantage the land access groups, 4WD groups and TRF can offer is
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> of the users groups that the lanes not be damaged so that they may continue
> to be enjoyed by all users.
As Richard B said we all had to start somewhere, and when Counties like Powys
that has it fair share of lane damage by visitors, can offer no advice when & if
to ever deviate from one set of tracks to avoid damage, it can be ignorance not
lack of consideration that causes what some call damage. How wide is an
un-enclosed road. Isn't that why roads were at one time one chain in width to
allow passage round fallen trees or the founderous bits? And why it became the
duty of the person enlosing a road to maintain the road?
On a route over one local common, the commoners would not allow the RoW dept to
mark the route "because we do not want the same route used all the time, we keep
moving it about"
> 'Real mail' vs. 'Educating Newbies'
> And I do realize that some of the folks already on this list are
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> is none of you would have objections to having more educated RoW campaigners
> out in the field :-)
Who is going to offer to write a definitive answer to the questions they think
are the most Frequently Asked Questions? The first person to offer, I guess,
has the job!
Chris
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 07:10 GMT0
From: halftone@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tony Sleep)
Subject: Re: Open or closed list?
Tony Sleep
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