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From: glenn.rees@PAREURO.COM
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 8:53:46 +0000
Subject: Lane clearing :- Drove Road, Surrey
Et Al
A good day was had by all, I arrived late at about 10:30, only to
find a group of overnight hangovers wandering around a fire, but we
were soon pressed into action buy the local Surrey Ranger, Jim
Storra.
The day was spent replacing posts that had been removed by less
scrupulous off roaders, and winching large tree trunks into
position to stop people driving of the track.
I would like to thank Richard Brownlee for organising the day,
maybe we could do this on a more regular basis, as we used to a few
years ago, especially since the Ranger is keen.
Cheers
Glenn
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From: glenn.rees@PAREURO.COM
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 9:20:12 +0000
Subject: Lane clearing: Drove road, Surrey
Et Al
A good day was had by all, I arrived late at about 10:30, only to
find a group of overnight hangovers wandering around a fire, but we
were soon pressed into action buy the local Surrey Ranger, Jim
Storra.
The day was spent replacing posts that had been removed by less
scrupulous off roaders, and winching large tree trunks into
position to stop people driving of the track.
I would like to thank Richard Brownlee for organising the day,
maybe we could do this on a more regular basis, as we used to a few
years ago, especially since the Ranger is keen.
Cheers
Glenn
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:05:17 +0000
From: alan kind <alan@highwayman.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: St.Albans & Obstruction
In message <970321172849_1551437783@emout12.mail.aol.com>,
TimLARA@aol.com writes
>One option you should not ignore is that of reporting the matter to the
>police. Obstruction is a criminal offence in HA 80 s137 and is a nuisance in
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>Cheers, tim
>From ADK@ BBT
We had a brief news item about gates, posts and UCRs in St Albans in B&B
about 18 months ago...
--
Alan kind
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:21:23 -0500
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Subject: Green Lane Day
> I wonder however if on Sunday the group was a bit too large, talking to
the
> chaps near the back of the group they felt they by the time they had got
their
> tools out and walked up to the obstruction those of use at the lead had
already
> cleared the lane! Perhaps another time when the numbers are some many it
might
> be better to spend longer clearing more over grown / obstructed lanes?
Adrian, and Tim, Andy, Dale,
This is a problem when the group gets too large. (and most of the vehicles
came with your group :-)
It was a result of circumstance really, The first lane I wrote to Powys
they suggested was beyond repair (Rhos Lane), the second, Shropshire didnt
want repaired, Hereford gave permission to work on two, but they were small
and (at the moment) No Through Routes, and three others they want a site
meeting on first, so after all the time taken sorting that out, we were
left really with a drive clearing "things that got in the way". The lane
where the Farmer himself was the major obstruction, (said was not a
road) , I have confirmed is, but having only seen it once, was difficult to
estimate the work required. With 18 people it did not take too long.
Few people will comit themselves beforehand, so the number turning up was
not known. Also large groups make it harder to get to know people. Another
time we will get to know 3 or 4 new faces at a time?
When we split, we turned right into Ackwood Lane and had we got there
earlier we would have all been fully occupied there for many many hours! I
just regret we did not go there first, when are you coming back? :-)
Still it was a nice drive.
Chris
PS I have since spoken With Bob Kinghorn, Powys HA 01 597 826 646. It is
the C1081, 144 728 via 152 729 to 156 729. He will copy me with the letter
he sends to the Landowner. Mike can claim aggrevated damages from him for
threat of fines etc..... :-)
Green Lane day has sorted yet another problem!
Also Bob admitted he had nothing to do with the removal of the 5ft gate at
Hoddle, C1125, 254 644, So it would appear to be my call to the CLA was
successful
PPS Spoken to Dr Alan Wood, CLA obstuction hotline 0171 235 0511, fax 4696,
Yes he did achieve the desired result by negotiation with the owner Julian
Salmon.
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Date: 24 Mar 97 15:46:24 EST
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Daily Mail Map
Hi all
While browsing around at Sodbury I came across a couple of maps. One was a 1971
Quarter Inch OS map of Wales and the Marches - any use to you Chris (don't
worry if not it only cost 15p)
The second one seems to be quite interesting - a Daily Mail Motor Road Map of
South East England 'showing trunk and other classified roads'. Dated 1948.
The scale is 4 miles to one inch so not all roads are marked but I've already
found a couple of clearly marked roads that now appear to be on the OS as
footpaths or 'white roads'. I would assume that on a map of this scale they
would not bother showing private roads.
I'll keep you posted
Regards
Richard
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Date: 24 Mar 97 15:46:35 EST
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Lane clearing :- Drove Road, Surrey
Glenn said
>maybe we could do this on a more regular basis, as we used to a few
>years ago, especially since the Ranger is keen.
I'm all for that. I'm going to contact Jim again and let him know that I am
happy to help out more regularly. I would like to see the entire length of the
footpath/road border protected. I also saw a lot of misc junk lying around
down the road (bits of car, wheels etc) so I will probably clear that up next
time I am down there.
He mentioned something about a deer hide?
Regards
Richard
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:05:29 +0000
From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Daily Mail Map
In message <970324204623_101360.3273_JHP110-1@CompuServe.COM>, Richard
Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM> writes
>Hi all
>While browsing around at Sodbury I came across a couple of maps. One was a 1971
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>Regards
>Richard
Hi All
If anyone requires copies of old revisions of os maps or any other type
of old maps, I have a chap in the village who deals in them. His prices
are reasonable, he is:-
Steven Bloom
Hazal Barn
Ingleton
Carnforth
Lancs
Phone:- 015242 42322
He Has them for all of the country.
Bye for now
Brian Lewis
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:13:51 -0500
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Subject: Daily Mail Map
Richard,
I would have thought that is quite a useful find. It will have the usuall
disclaimer about not neccessarily being a RoW, but due to the scale (was it
Lord Widgery said?) are likely to be. Along with other evidence you could
be onto something. It may be worth looking at, and in the absence of a
sign to the contrary (or stile),........ why shouldn t you use a slightly
out of date map?
Chris
ps
Yes please, a 15p map is always worth having. It can show interesting
changes. (must look in loft see if I have any old rallying OS maps circa
1968)
If any one is getting duplicate copies or returned mail from List, please
let me know, I think my WinCim s/w is playing up.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:27:21 +0000
From: Peter Bradley <hm50@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Veh RoW on UCR (NYCC)
I am sending the following plainly worded letter
tomorrow to Burns at NYCC, to try and establish
a similarly plainly worded reply.
His last letter stated :
" .. unmade green lanes do not have public vehicular
rights ...."
Vague isn't it ? I mean, what is an "unmade green
lane" ? Well, the one in question is a UCR, and
his colleague in RoW, Wadkins, told me to my face:
"Yes, you can drive down this road, legally, but,
and I shouldn't really tell you this, you may only
cross the dam from one lane to the next".
I shouldn't really tell you ???!!! What ? This
route is RT > Right of Access > UCR ! Even a
"unsuitable for ..." sign at one end.
In view of the fact that I have now been told by
three sources that he (Burns) is a member of the RA,
(plus very anti-vehRoW) :-
Is there any way of finding out whether or not
an individual is a member of GLEAM ?
----------------------------------------------------
Dear Mr Burns
YOUR LETTER 6th MARCH 1997
With further reference to your letter, and in
particular the third paragraph therein, perhaps you
would be good enough to let me have your answer to
the following question:
What general stance does the County Council take with
regard to vehicular rights on Unclassified County Roads
which remain untarred ?
I look forward to receiving your reply shortly.
Yours sincerely
etc
----------------------------------------------------
If I'm duplicating previous work by others then please
tell me.
Peter Bradley
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From: Tilbo@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:01:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Has anyone used?
Hi
Have made application to upgrade to BOAT that way from SU682477 to 686487
(Hampshire). I am suprised at the number of people that have used this route
- are there any more? Ask around.
DT
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From: glenn.rees@PAREURO.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 7:51:52 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: You Row Posting about Lane clearing: Drove road, Surr
Mick
Yes I did get a message as shown below, which is why I sent it
twice. Interestingly enough, I never got a copy of my own posting!
Can you shed any light on this anomaly.
Cheers
Glenn
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Subject: Re: You Row Posting about Lane clearing: Drove road, Surrey
Author: PC:doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk at INTERNET
Date: 25/03/97 01:10
there...
Your posting to the RoW listing appeared twice...may I ask if this was
because you had an 'Undelivered Mail' message from Daemon and
subsequently tried again?
:-) Mick Dyer
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