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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:52:09 -0400
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Aberereon
TROs or fax machines?
Trying to send a fax about the proposed TROs it aborted on the second page.
Whilst reading the log, a lady called, "got part of your fax but the
machine is dodgy, send it to the other machine".
So I does. No reply. I rings back. Go round each dept they have. "Oh the
other machine is out of paper. Were expecting some in at 11.30. We only
have two machines"!
Yet they can afford umpteen thousand pounds on TROs, rather than a
telephone call to LARA for free VR!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (as someone said last night)
Get real.
C
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 14:57:04 UT
From: "JULIAN WATT" <JULIAN_WATT@msn.com>
Subject: Ammunition
A good way to take the wind out of the sails of some of these misguided green
brigade anti's is to point out that in most parts of the UK (East Anglia and
the south mainly) climatic changes are such that green lanes will shortly no
longer get muddy and rutted anyway!
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:56:02 +0100
From: USER <john.o'reilly@virgin.net>
Subject: Land-Rover for Sale
Hi One & All
I know this may not be the best place to post this add but any!
Land-Rover series 111 LWB, 1974, 2.25lt, turner unleaded head,
new petrol tank, new starter motor, new alternator, new heater motor.
Masai red sign written as 'BIG RED ONE'
2 front seats from a Granada, Cubby box, Inertia reel seat belts.
Radio cassette and possibly C.B.
Full lenth roof rack low profile with twin rear ladders may be avaible
as well.
£1500 or sensible offer.
I am not giving up ROW or even Land-Rovers I'am buying a SWB instead.
Home telephone No. 01923 463213.
Cheers John
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:56:02 +0100
From: USER <john.o'reilly@virgin.net>
Subject: Land-Rover for Sale
Hi One & All
I know this may not be the best place to post this add but any!
Land-Rover series 111 LWB, 1974, 2.25lt, turner unleaded head,
new petrol tank, new starter motor, new alternator, new heater motor.
Masai red sign written as 'BIG RED ONE'
2 front seats from a Granada, Cubby box, Inertia reel seat belts.
Radio cassette and possibly C.B.
Full lenth roof rack low profile with twin rear ladders may be avaible
as well.
£1500 or sensible offer.
I am not giving up ROW or even Land-Rovers I'am buying a SWB instead.
Home telephone No. 01923 463213.
Cheers John
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 15:22:06 UT
From: "JULIAN WATT" <JULIAN_WATT@msn.com>
Subject: National Lottery
I was in having my 2wd carriage serviced at a Vauxhall garrage, I noticed a
Vauxhall Frontera magazine, so being bored I had a read, they had a special
article on a Trust in the Yorks/Lancs area that was dedicated to opening up
and maintaing Byways and Bridleways for recreational use, guess what....they
got a National Lottery grant of £170,000:00 to help them out!
Has anybody tried getting this kind of funding for National Green Lane Day?
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:32:10 -0400
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Subject: National Lottery
Julian
I dont believe it!
That would silence a few antis or make them go ballistic. And put a TRO on
any more grants.
Perhaps NYNP put a good word in for them?????????????
Chris
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:51:09 -0400
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Subject: gleam's latest.
For information on what is being done by our National Heroes
Chris.
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Andy Bush, andy_bush
TO: Chris Marsden, Byway
DATE: 18/04/97 23:37
National Rights of Way Officer: Andy Bush, 19 Wildwood Glade, Hempstead,
Gillingham, Kent. ME7 3SX. Tel/fax. 01634-260495. andy_bush@compuserve.com
18th April 1997
Paul Tyler Esq. CBE
MP for North Cornwall
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
Dear Mr Tyler
Please could you confirm that the following quote
attributed to you is correct. If it is correct please could you supply an
example or more of the type of damage you describe.
On agreeing to become an honorary member of GLEAM, Paul Tyler MP writes:
"Damage to Green Lanes ...is a problem I have encountered in a number of
parts of the country in my capacity of Rural Affairs Spokesman for the
Liberal Democrats .... It can be found in every part of the country, and I
congratulate you on GLEAM's initiative to raise the profile of the
problem."
If you are unable to respond or supply the supporting evidence I shall have
to publish the fact.
Moreover I expect you to be able to prove that the damage you describe is
caused by recreational vehicles and not as the DoE white paper and GLEAM
studies have shown, by horses and agricultural vehicles.
I trust that GLEAM have shown you their study which also supported the
findings of the DoE and every other study that damage to the network is
limited to a tiny minority of the network.
I trust that GLEAM have told you that they are less than 300 members who in
the main have vested interests in lane closures. The last MP who supported
GLEAM was made to look very silly and uniformed in the House when no less
than the Minister of the environment corrected his erroneous ideas. We have
not heard from him since.
In general all of GLEAMs ideas and assertions have been rejected by the
DoT, the DoE and 90% of all county councils. I assume they told you that.
Did they mention that 82% of all county councils do not have any problems
with the damage you mention. According to GLEAM figures anyway.
GLEAM used the offices of Berkshire CC to carry out the study, the county
press office distributed the results in a press release. You should get a
copy.
According to government figures, green laning has a zero accident rate and
no one can recollect a vehicle hitting any one on a green lane.
You must be unaware of the substantial protection vehicular rights give a
lane, and the benefit that protection provides to all users of the lane.
You appear to be seeking to sacrifice public rights in favour of your
friends’ financial interests. Can you demonstrate otherwise?
Yours sincerely,
Andy Bush
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:51:06 -0400
From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Subject: Finance Act / Stockton Ride
> Hi Chris,
> I read the original act in the London records office. 1910 evidence is
conclusive proof
> that the land owner registered the road as a public vehiclular highway.
> Not all road were claimed because not all were subject to the tax, and
other
> landowners did not want to register the road.
> Andy Bush
Fantastic. I was going to ask you why you said that it was vehicular. I
thought it was one more peice of the jigsaw, slightly better than tithe,
but not as good as inclosure. Don't Inspectors rubbish it by saying it was
drawn up for taxation purposes, not for RoW determination?
It gives me the desire (confidence) to use several non obstructed finance
enacted ways.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:20:53 +0100
From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Green lane survey
Hi All
I have just been round Widdlefoot and Munkeybeck this weekend and a load
more roads around here, when it came to me, you know the YDNP survey,
why don't we get all the user groupes in the area to gether for a
meeting, invite the YDNP and sugest that we devide up all the lanes that
they servaied and do them again now 9years later, just to see what all
the fuss is about, I read the report on the roads I did on Sunday and I
could see no difference with them now, so why all the concern?
What do you think?
I put this email out to tim stevenes and Peter Bradley, but anyone uses
the Yorkshire dales area for green laning then drop me a note if you are
interested.
Bye for now
Brian Lewis
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