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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:34:37 -0500
Subject: GLEAM Newbury (ROW & GLASS)
> his photographs of the horrors that are happening under our very noses.
He's preaching to the con(per?)verted.
A letter to the RA chairman pointing out that the usage of lanes is many
hundreds or proabably thousands of times more by Farmers, Contractors, Geo
research, Forestry, Electricty Boards, (note how many of their Landrovers
have winches!) Gas, BT, rural mail delivery, Shooting, Military, Vets, Milk
Tankers, Fox Hunt supporters and sabbys, police, badger baiters, residents,
etc etc. than all leisure users put together, therefore how has he proven
that it is leisure vehicles causing his "problem", that the reduction of a
fraction of 1% of total off-tarmac driving would be unnoticable, that this
RUPP > byway suggestion will not lead to any increase in leisure use, only
possibly more thinly spread about! Where are his photos actually taken,
has he reported it to the RoW people and do they accept it is leisure
vehicles? Will the CC's RoW depts be invited to confirm the crap (techno
speak for gleam gabble) is all crap.
Said Chairman just might ask a few pertinent questions. Livens the meeting
up to get some debate, awfully boring if everyone agrees, and might make
one or two question the 'facts' fed to them?
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:34:42 -0500
Subject: RE: A new threat to laning, too
> Strange silly fact -local to me they 'woke up' the sleeping policeman
after
> the bus company complained about damage to its - the ramps were of such a
> profile that they scraped the rear of a laden bus as it climbed up, then
as
> it descended from these lumps. Also in Germany there is some anecdotal
> evidence that there is actually greater pollution in areas where such
> measures are in place than there was before.
I think in years to come, humps will be seen as an incredibly stupid time
wasting dangerous idea, confined to history. It causes an uncomfortable
ride, dangerous for bikes and ambulance patients, for vehicles and
underground plant, and must cause much wasted fuel thus noise and emission
pollution. Yet I can see the merit of the argument for roads designed by
'the rolling drunken Englishman' long before the Romans and only 'improved'
in recent years to allow an increase in speed, to be limited to a speed a
little more in keeping with it design specification. Thereby reducing
danger to persons and animals. Rather than be de-improved by inverse
pot-holes, the future will possibly be enforced lower speed limits on the
'quiet roads' by electronic means. Sort of 25mph = a warning sign flashes,
30mph = a flash..... This will affect motor events. Is it a probable or
inevitable outcome? Would it mean country lanes are then less attractive
than A roads for commuting, but if still beneficial, and spreads the load,
is it acceptable?
Chris
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From: howard.neal@mail.which.net
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:38:20 +0000
Subject: Re: GLEAM Newbury (ROW & GLASS)
> Said Chairman just might ask a few pertinent questions. Livens the meeting
> up to get some debate, awfully boring if everyone agrees, and might make
> one or two question the 'facts' fed to them?
Chris,
The said local Chairman is confirmed anti vehicle and anti horse. I don't
think anything sort of a full frontal lobotomy would induce her to change her
views!
Happy New Year,
Howard
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:20:43 -0000
Subject: Scottish Borders maps
Recently my mother unearthed three maps of the Scottish border area, dating
from the first quarter of the century they look as if they might be of use
to anyone researching RoW in that area. One of them goes down as far as
Penrith, so might be of use to those involved in that area too. Please
contact me directly only if they will be of use (Owen?). She is unwilling
to let go of them, as there are a few 'family notes' on them - she grew up
in that area.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:20:47 -0000
Subject: RE: GLEAM Newbury (ROW & GLASS)
OK, I've got the 'surgical instruments', whose got the anaesthetic?
Sadly I won't be able to get to the meeting, but I m sure somebody will -
and make it a more lively event, there is nothing like a bit of gentle
questioning from the floor to uncover the weaknesses in an argument.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
P.S. The best place to sit if one is going to ask awkward questions (as if
you would) is near the middle of the crowd. Two reasons, that's the place
the speaker will be focussing their attention on, and that's where they
least expect any opposing questions to come from. A tip gleaned from tow
well know members of parliament, messers Benn & Powell - they both HATED
questions difficult questions from that quarter!!!
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:25:34 EST
Subject: Re: GLEAM Newbury (ROW & GLASS)
A New World Record for Hypocrisy
Landowner blames hobby drivers for destroying countryside
Local driver Miss Rebecca Dorter said today
'What a cheek. Who has done more damage to the English countryside, landowners
or landrovers? Just have a look for yourselves. Who is it that grubs out the
hedges, sprays the verges, ploughs the footpaths, shoots the hawks, and fills
the shops with tainted beef? Look to the beam in your own eye, Mr landowner
Gardiner, before you start inventing motes in others'.
Cheers, tim
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:25:25 EST
Subject: Re: Powys & Shrops RUPPS
In a message dated 02 : 01 : 99 07:04 GMT, you write:
<< I sort of pick off the odd one when time permits - currently looking for
'old' (say 1970 ish) OS maps of Staffordshire to see what RUPPs were
reclassified as BW/FP - then the fun will start >>
I may have one or two of interest, if you would like to call round.
cheers, tim
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