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1 davidg@hwcces.demon.co.u25Another lane
2 Chris Lloyd [chris@upand15RE: FAO Chris Lloyd
3 TimLARA@aol.com 26Re: web site
4 doghouse@cix.compulink.c14Re: Another lane
5 howard.neal@which.net 33Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO
6 howard.neal@which.net 27Ridgeway Voluntary Restraint
7 Chris Marsden [Byway@com19Another lane
8 Chris Marsden [Byway@com20Re: web site
9 Chris Marsden [Byway@com34Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO
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From: davidg@hwcces.demon.co.uk (David Goode)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:44:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Another lane

Last time we gave you a lane we said you don't get another until 
you've used it. Well I meant in/on vehicles not horses, you idiots. 
Now listen carefully, U64401, Blakes Lane, Worcestershire SO742640 - 
737637 is now clear of logs, trees, etc. but has had plenty of equine 
use so keep your hooves off it and use a few tyres to compact it. 
However please use downhill only until the surface gets a chance to 
dry out a bit - for those who don't speak fluent contour, downhill is 
from NE to SW on this particular UCR, hence the order I quoted the 
grid refs.. I have not driven it myself bacuse a) when I was there 
this morning the bottom end of the lane was being used as a sheep pen 
while dipping was in progress b) it is a bit narrow in one place and 
I'd like a spotter (any volunteers, Chris?) when I drive it in the 
Discovery. No problem for a Suzi or Series L/R or bike though.

Tell me if you use it.

David Goode                                davidg@hwcces.demon.co.uk
Environmental Services Dept
Hereford and Worcester County Council

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From: Chris Lloyd <chris@upandrun.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:15:24 -0000 
Subject: RE: FAO Chris Lloyd

Thanks Dave, my exchange server redirects mail out to my compuserve
account so I can get it on the road but since I subscribed to row its
filled up the account which I don't check that regularly as I read most
of my mail in the office. I have now shut down this redirection and
emptyed the compuserve mailbox so the error should not occur again.
Please try resending. The address is chris@upandrun.co.uk

Best regards
Chris Lloyd

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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:35:30 EST
Subject: Re: web site

I think RoWLR is in the same trap that OS think they are, but more
justifiably.

The stuff is written by lawyers, for lawyers. And they do not live in the real
world of pay-slips. They also think, OS style, that demand is limited to the
current clientel, ie HAs. And with no adverts to support costs, and a small
audience (so no adverts, so high costs, so a small audience), initiation cost
is spread over too few copies. 

It was a giant leap for H Ford Esq (and B Gates Esq, I suppose), and RoWLR
have yet to make it.

Can you have a web site with a section which is password only? Then only
current subscribers would have access, but the costs would be less. Someone
would still have to write it, though.

The change I would like to see would be a letters page so we could say surely
Joe Bloggs QC has got it wrong...

Cheers, tim

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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 99 18:51 GMT0
Subject: Re: Another lane

<<<Tell me if you use it.>>>

I'd love to, David, butu Surrey-Worcs is a little far @ 14 mpg for _just 
one lane_ ;-)))))

73s and 88s

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 10:11:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO

>  A 5 or 10 mph speed limit may help limit actual speed to
> 20 or less, and point out that if you want to drive fast, find somewhere
> away from people.

A speed limit would be an excellent idea.  The presence of proper DoT signs
(white circled in red) would emphasise that the Ridgeway is a public road. The
use of which carries certain responsiblities.

How much does a speed limit cost?

> How can you prevent it becoming just another
> well made (if not tarred) road?

It already is tarred on some sections.

> Perhaps the signs should be rather more forcefull than usual:- NO Vehicles
> except permitted:- then the VR notice with the restraint actually detailing
> when and how it may be used.  White on blue 1ft x 2ft signs with an
> attached A4 VR notice, may be an adequate method of pointing out the
> responsibilities.

One foot by two is not probably not big enough.  To make an impression the
signs would have to be BIG!

Regards,

Howard.

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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:40:02 +0000
Subject: Ridgeway Voluntary Restraint

I noticed today that the LARA voluntary restraint is in force on the
Ridgeway in my area.  The bright green signs are up at all the access
points I checked.  It seems to be working as I didn't see a single motor
vehicle.

Not content with the West Berks Council style open ended VR on Old
Street somebody has had a go at an involuntary restaint at SU467784.
The obstruction is a burnt out car blocking access.  It appears to have
has dumped there on its roof by a tractor.  There was a lovely set of
tracks leading up to it from further down the lane.  More photos for the
album!

I also noticed several West Berks voluntary restraint notices I hadn't
seen before.
SU430820, 448833, 453812, 490813, 474789, 467784, 468764.

They really have been busy.  TROs will probably follow.

Regards,

Howard

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:01:21 -0500
Subject: Another lane

> while dipping was in progress b) it is a bit narrow in one place and 
> I'd like a spotter (any volunteers, Chris?) when I drive it in the 
> Discovery. No problem for a Suzi or Series L/R or bike though.

I used it last summer uphill on a baking hot day after speculating at
Shelsey Walsh. I needed windows closed due to undergrowth trying to get in.
 It was one I explored and felt safer going up than down, but it was kinda
narrow and a bit damp and silted even on such an incredibly hot day.  Yes I
am happy to try asap, not Sunday (tomorrow) exploring on 148 with new
friends.  Anytime thereafter.  Agree downhill only in winter, after walking
first.

Chris

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:17:41 -0500
Subject: Re: web site

> It was a giant leap for H Ford Esq (and B Gates Esq, I suppose), and

RoWLR
> have yet to make it.

Can an original copy (be copied to make a working master, as with computer
programs), then be circulated to a set list of people, read and forwarded
to the next to show that there is a wider audience?  Each posting it on
within 48 hours, such circulation lists do work for memos within large
companies, each person initially and passing on to next in the list?  A
copy sent to an HA is read by a number of people, posting onto other
members is kosher, surely?

Chris

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:17:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO

> A speed limit would be an excellent idea.  The presence of proper DoT
signs
> (white circled in red) would emphasise that the Ridgeway is a public
road. The
> use of which carries certain responsiblities.
> How much does a speed limit cost?

Simialr to TRO I think in that it has to be advertised, and consultation
etc. But there are strict rules for applying 30MPH where there are no
street lights, ie it has to have repeater signs every 200m, and even more
red tape for lower speed limits (DETR appro. AFAIK) Lower than 20 may not
be permitted.

> One foot by two is not probably not big enough.  To make an impression
the
> signs would have to be BIG!

Spoils the character of a lane, I suspect it would suffice, very few people
wil lignore a NO VEHICLES sign, those that know will read the VR and be
aware of their rights in accordance with it.  This is only a suggestion for
a way round the over use of a road,  which if this could be solved, then
there can not be another well known road anywhere that could not be solved
if also suffering from overuse.

Quite simply we have a finite resource, if not regulated in some fair way,
will no longer be 'special'.

Chris

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