Message	Sender	lines	Subject
1	doghouse@cix.compulink.c	13	Re: Garbage Mails (was: Re: Ridgeway TRO PI)
2	Chris Marsden [Byway@com	15	Oxfordshire vehicular RoW
3	Chris Marsden [Byway@com	24	Re: TRO Costs
4	"Rob Smith" [rob@archenl	12	RE: Oxfordshire vehicular RoW
5	"Dave Codrai" [dave@codr	15	Re: prosecutions.
6	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	17	Re: web site
7	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	16	TROs (was: Re: West Berks Vindictive TRO (Somme) Glass & RoW)
8	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	14	Re: web site
9	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	20	Babtie
10	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	19	Speed Limits (was: Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO)
11	"Bod" [bod@bod1.freeserv	13	B&B back issues (was: Re: Bennett in Manchester Metro News)
12	"Matthew Reeve & Mel Mau	18	The Newbury Somme
13	"Matthew Reeve & Mel Mau	17	Skye
14	"Dave Tilbury" [Dave@han	32	Candovers
15	doghouse@cix.compulink.c	18	Re: prosecutions.
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 99 12:40 GMT0
Subject: Re: Garbage Mails (was: Re: Ridgeway TRO PI)

garbage Chris?>>>>

The answer is simple - The Major joined GLEAM last week

73s and 88s

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:58:33 -0500
Subject: Oxfordshire vehicular RoW

> Does anyone out there have any info on Oxfordshire vehicular RoW
> particularly UCRs.  I am sure that there must be more than shown on the
> current OS maps.  Dual status routes don't seem to be shown at all.

How do you mean? They don't show dual status roads, just the DM info which
is statutory, PAI is an extra, ONLY if not shown otherwise.
Or have I mis-understood the question?

Chris

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:08:15 -0500
Subject: Re: TRO Costs

> So who do they consult?
> Where are details published?       (Not in LG it would appear)
> Is there a statutory right of objection?

There is a short list of statutory consultees which they MUST consult. Not
to, would probably invildate the TRO, ie Police Freight Haulage assn, they
do not HAVE to consult with users but it IS recommended by C 2/93, and that
applies only to BOATs etc, but MBB includes UCRS in 2/93.  They do not now
have to advertise in LG saving 2-300 quid.  That is why I have no faith in
LG, and feel a web site with everything inluding PIs and decision letters
would be 'Freedom of information in action'

Hereford did not appear to consult any but the statutory, even though they
claim they consulted 10 groups. If it goes ahead there will be a complaint
to ombudsman. Just had a letter back from legal denying any wrong doing,
they pass it all on to their 'client'   We'll see.

Chris

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:04:24 -0000
Subject: RE: Oxfordshire vehicular RoW

Since the OS gains its data from many sources, principally the CC's own
information, filtered in most cases, it is hardly surprising that the map
data looks a bit sparse for any county.

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Dave Codrai" <dave@codrai.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:10:54 -0000
Subject: Re: prosecutions.

>Regarding RUPP 13. The guy who was taking legal action against the AWDC for
>trespass has just dropped it. Excellent News.

The AWDC member could prove he was elsewhere at the time of the alleged
incident.

But the LO is still going ahead against three guys from the TRF.

Dave

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:37:55 -0000
Subject: Re: web site

>The change I would like to see would be a letters page so we could
say surely
>Joe Bloggs QC has got it wrong...

The change I would like to see is the opportunity to see it on a
regular basis in the first place.      It is no good being ABLE to say
"Joe Bloggs QC has got it wrong..." if you cannot find out what Joe
Bloggs QC said.

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:30:06 -0000
Subject: TROs (was: Re: West Berks Vindictive TRO (Somme) Glass & RoW)

>There are in fact 4 types of TRO, permanent, temporary, emergency,
and
>experimental.

Tim misses out the fifth and most common type (especially in
Manchester)
The illegal TRO!

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:27:46 -0000
Subject: Re: web site

>yes, and some means of access to ROWLR!

There is a means of access to ROWLR

It is just too expensive and most of us do not have the means!

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:19 -0000
Subject: Babtie

I have just found out that a good friend of mine works as a civil
engineer for Babtie.
I mentioned that 'we' have some disputes with them in Berkshire and he
was most intrigued that they could be acting illegally or immorally.

I have not been following all the Berkshire details very closely but
if you want me to question him as an insider then send me some
specific details.

Don't know if it will help or reveal very much but might be worth
perusing.

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:41:21 -0000
Subject: Speed Limits (was: Re: Ridgeway Potential TRO)

>etc. But there are strict rules for applying 30MPH where there are no
>street lights, ie it has to have repeater signs every 200m, and even
more
>red tape for lower speed limits (DETR appro. AFAIK) Lower than 20 may
not
>be permitted.

There is a 10MPH speed limit on a road near to Manchester Airport.
The road is public and I can see no reason why the limit signs should
not be also.

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:23:41 -0000
Subject: B&B back issues (was: Re: Bennett in Manchester Metro News)

>Read B&B 1+2 1987.  Private Roads - Colin Seymour.

Some of us did not subscribe to B&B back in 1987.
Can anyone (Alan?) let us know if back issues are available.

Cheers,
Bod.

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:05:23 -0000
Subject: The Newbury Somme

As taken from a (non LR) friend's signature,

'The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.'

Which immediately led to me to thoughts about the Newbury Somme, and the
farmer causing those ruts ........ or do I just have an evil mind.....

:-))

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:09:18 -0000
Subject: Skye

Can anyone give me some advice on rights of way on Skye? ISTR that Scotland
has a completely different system of RoW. I'm going to be spending up to 5
weeks there mapping just after Easter, and due to my dodgy knees would
rather do most of it from the rangie, rather than hiking up and down the
hills.

TIA

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:35:26 -0000
Subject: Candovers

Hi

Long term subscribers will recall the on going saga of the reclassification
of RUPPs in the Candovers Parishes.  So far it has been PI - resulting in
mainly BOAT followed by objection from someone in the village (who didn't
attend PI or submit evidence and from who I didn't get expenses - I may
return to that one).  Following the second PI, at which there were changes
but not loss of BOATs, here were more objections from a local landowner and
an estate agent.  These were dealt with by written representation and the
two objectors were granted extensions of about 4 months to prepare their
objection.  The local BDS rep phoned the DETR to ask why we had heard
nothing although time was up for the objectors.  He was told that the
papers had been copied to the Authority and he would receive a copy in due
course, and not to worry as he would have 14 days in which to respond.

On another topic a local researcher has dug up a book on the siege of
Basing House by the Round Heads.  One of those present was named Jervois
and was known to be such a liar that his name came to be used to describe a
fib.  One wonders if the current owner of Herriard Park (a Mr Jarvois), who
has been instrumental in having RUPPs reclassified as bridleway around
Herriard and Weston Patrick, is a descendant.  Those who heard him at the
Herriard PI might have thought so.
                                                                           
                                                   Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk

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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 07:38 GMT0
Subject: Re: prosecutions.

Hi

<<<<But the LO is still going ahead against three guys from the TRF.>>>

I'd be interested in knowing who/where/what/why etc.

Does anyone have any hard fact or know who can supply me with definite 
info?

73s and 88s

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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