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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 08:43 GMT0
Subject: Re: GLASS membership
GLASS membership sec. name and details please?
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 08:43 GMT0
Subject: Re: OS Explorers
Chris says
<<<< Not quite sure how they will
identify the omissions, unless of course we tell them.>>>
Well this was the whole point of starting the thread, I did ask people to
mail me, but none so far except from Chris and apearce73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: alan kind <alan@highwayman.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:45:37 +0000
Subject: Re: 20 years of B&B
In message <E10DcUZ-0001hE-00@post.mail.demon.net>, Dave Tilbury
<Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk> writes
>I heard today from within HCC that the leader of the, Council Freddy
>Emery-Wallace, a councillor that neither lives or works (AFAIK) within the
>County, has let is be known, on a number of occasions, that he wants
>mountain bikes banned from Hampshire's RoW.
Can you get any written word on that I'd love to quote it. If it doesn't
fuck things up in Hants, B&B could write and ask the bugger outright.
>Capture leaving original. Found out what I woz doing wrong. There is an
>option for font type. Default sets it to sans serif - changed it to serif
>and all works better. Have done a 'leave original' edition and it puts
>100kb onto the file size. Domani I'll do it the old way buy with the new
>settings.
Isn't it amazing how the obvious is hidden from our eyes? I always blame
The Great Pixie, mesel'.
The Fred Dibnah prog on steam power on BBC 2 last night was quite
decent.
>Dave Tilbury
>Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
>http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
>settings.
--
alan kind
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 09:49 GMT0
Subject: Re: HA PROW Web pages
Hi
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<That brought a big grin to my face. Come on MD. That was
a two edged windup.>>>>>>>>>>>.
<Fx: looks at feet with red face>Ok DT yuo got me that time :-)
<Fx: looks at feet with red face>Ok DT yuo got me that time :-)
But seriously when are you going to attend a meeting in Hants - for
the full session?>>>>
Prolly whenyou tell me the right time for the start, or else when the
Great and the Good don't decide to start the full meeting four hours
earlier than published.
<<<<<You're doing a grand job. And you respond to e-mail, which is more
than RCdoes.>>>>>>>
<Blush>
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 09:50 GMT0
Subject: Re: The RUPP 13 3
Calling all AWDC members on teh List...
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that the AWDC have refused to
consider any financial support for the 'accused' on teh grounds that the
one AWDC 'culprit' was able to get orf on a technicality. Now have I got
it wrong or does it go like this?...........
1. They were manifestly guilty of obeying the law....as we percieve it.
This makes them the Good Guys, right?
2. They were manifestly guilty of breaking the law.....as the anti
perceives it. This makes _him_ a Bad Guy, right?
3. Antis always lose, Good Guys always win....right?
4. Norton Malreward. Hmmmm. Maybe we ought to revist (3).
It seems to me - as an ordinary AWDC member speaking PERSONALLY - that the
AWDC should look further in this matter than the fact that 'their' member
got off in the opening round. I think this may well have lasting effects
if not soundly researched and defeated. If you think so too, why not write
to the new AWDC chair, whose details are in the Driver. Even the loan of
some sound advice on record from the National RoW Officer would be helpful.
See my train of thought?
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: Stephen Somers <stephen.somers@virgin.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:06:59 -0800
Subject: Re: 20 years of B&B
Dave Tilbury wrote:
> I heard today from within HCC that the leader of the, Council Freddy
> Emery-Wallace, a councillor that neither lives or works (AFAIK) within the
> County... {remainder elided}
Check your Representation of the Peoples Act: To stand for election you
must reside in the area in which the election is being held. We have one
of these on our District Council, but checking reveals he has a 'pied a
terre' here. I would be surprised if Mr Emery-Wallace wasn't covered.
--
Steve Somers (Project Leader)
'75 Land Rover 101" Forward Control, 1-Tonne, General Service
(62FL50 - Royal Artillery/2 Commando)
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:53:57 EST
Subject: Re: The RUPP 13 3
In a message dated 19.02.99 09:51:25 GMT Standard Time,
doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
<< Even the loan of
some sound advice on record from the National RoW Officer would be helpful.
<< Even the loan of
But remember the NRoWO is also on record saying
'Why should we get involved when the TRF are doing it anyway?'
He was talking about PIs, research, etc, not this specific case, but the
attitude is there. Perhaps the AWDC believe that if TRF members are 'banned'
this will not affect any other vehicle users, or any other lanes?
Cheers, tim
Speaking personally, as always.
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:53:53 EST
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
In a message dated 19.02.99 00:24:36 GMT Standard Time, Byway@Compuserve.com
writes:
<< Any errors or omissions will be attended to prior to publication of the
next editions. >>
This is exactly the problem I need to address with OS via CCPR. The
identifying of ommissions is going to be left to volunteers who need the info
(ie mainly the RA and us lot). Therefore we need to show that it is a big job
(which it is if you are right) and that we need some help. As this info is
needed for public benefit, and there is no legal obligation to show it on
maps, there may well be a chance of lottery funding, but we need to show that
there is a real problem. I can do this, given the evidence.
Cheers, tim
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From: "Harvey Davies" <gam85@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:56:11 -0000
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
The experience in Hampshire was that the Ordnance Survey simply copied draft
Explorer sheets and asked the ROW Section to check the accuracy of the
sheets in respect of the definitive map. Similar sheets were copied to the
RA and I believe other user groups. Checking these sheets to the level we
believed was necessary (checking exact line of PROW including which side of
hedgerow a ROW should be) proved to be a hugely time consuming business and
the decision was taken that unless the OS was prepared to cover the costs
the County would not check what is after all commercially valuable data. In
any event even having checked draft maps it was disconcerting to see how
many errors still showed on the final copy. The County copied all confirmed
HA orders effecting PROW to the OS and in theory they should have maintained
their data. The fact is that highway authorities are paying a huge fee to
cover copyright - OS are expecting authorities to use extremely limited
resources to check data which in the end makes Explorer sheets commercially
viable. This also holds true for all those user group volunteers who spend
hours checking the information only for the OS to treat the work undertaken
with disdain. As regards other public highways the Hampshire record is
known as Chalist and even for those with an understanding of it is nigh on
impossible to use to check the accuracy of OS mapping. The use of GIS
systems should resolve many of these problems over the next ten years or so
if and it is a big IF the OS change their attitudes which are not to work
with authorities and others to ensure mapping is clear concise and accurate
but how to protect their copyright and sod the customer.
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:38:33 -0000
Subject: RE: Warks E5221
Never mind a carriage, I reckon the average London Bus driver would think it
more than adequate enough for his free passage.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:38:38 -0000
Subject: RE: OS Explorers
Haven't mailed you for the simple reason the maps for the areas I am
interested aren't out yet.
BTW many of the first set are not available, despite being scheduled for
publication last year.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: Susan Jeggo <derek.sue@virgin.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:45:07 +0000
Subject: OS explorers
I'm not entirely sure I follow whats going on with this. But, something
at the back of my mind makes me think that Cambs (might) be having an
Explorer being worked on at present. Is it something to worry about? -
you'll probably all say YES!
Sue
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 19:10 GMT0
Subject: Re: OS explorers
Sue asks
<<<<<<<<<<<<<I'm not entirely sure I follow whats going on with this. But,
somethingat the back of my mind makes me think that Cambs (might) be
having anExplorer being worked on at present. Is it something to worry
about? -you'll probably all say YES!>>>>>>>
Well I'm saying 'probably'. Id recommend a letter immediate to CC RoW dept
asking someone senior to gtee in writing that info on ALL UCRS RUPPs etc
will be sent to OS and that their inclusion will be g'teed on teh next
Exploer.
Then Id buy an existing map (pref. one marked from the DM) and gird yer
loins to compare the two.
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:26:07 +0000
Subject: Re: OS explorers
In message <bulk.19307.19990219104435@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Susan Jeggo
<derek.sue@virgin.net> writes
>Is it something to worry about? -
>you'll probably all say YES!
Yes! Because they do not show all the unsurfaced unclassified roads, or
miss bits off to make you think it is not a through route!!
Brian
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From: "hawker" <hawker@poverty.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:13:23 -0000
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
Seems to me that there are huge elements of not being able to see "the wood
for the trees", here.
The highway authorities have a DUTY towards the public which includes
recording the rights of way(DM&S)/roads(LoS) on publicly accessible media.
The OS have a responsibility to map the country and to show various matters
on those maps, including RsoW and highways, and only HAs can provide that
info.
>>the decision was taken that unless the OS was prepared to cover the costs
the County would not check what is after all commercially valuable data<<
less of the "commercially valuable" more of the "publicly available duty"
bit,
please.
>> OS are expecting authorities to use extremely limited resources to check
data which in the end makes Explorer sheets commercially viable<<
no, not the OS, more that the general taxpaying public expect (with right on
their side) for both these publicly funded/founded bodies to get on with
carrying out their respective duties, and the wish for an end to the carping
on about the past and lack of resources with which to put right the
discrepancies from the past. If local govt is not careful, it will be
challenging the farming industry for the title of Champion Whingers
Richard Hawker
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From: "Harvey Davies" <gam85@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:56:14 -0000
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
The point I was trying to make is that the OS is no longer concerned about
mapping in the public interest but is a fully blown commercial enterprise
whose mindset is no longer accuracy above all else but is driven by the need
[spamkill: blah input: %s] to make money. In doing so they spend very
little time checking their own
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:25:34 -0000
Subject: Re: 20 years of B&B
<<I would be surprised if Mr Emery-Wallace wasn't covered>>
I'm sure your right otherwise someone would have had a pop at him.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:06:56 -0500
Subject: Re: local plan
Tims said
> A simple question at last. The absolute minimum that they can get away
with.
> They are saving their resources so that they can hound you if you start
to
> rock their cosy boat.
(or BOAT)
A simple answer at last. An applicant for a DMMO at last (after very many
years) had a resolution from cttee that an order be made for a contentious
BOAT. Others resolved at the same time were made. When enquiring by fone,
applicant told, "we are reviewing this one again". Another officer would
not be quoted as saying he had been told to put it on hold. Order for apps
made subsequent have been made. Now by what democratic process can an
order made by cttee be delayed by an officer or a (senior) councillor?
This could be the basis of a serious complaint?
cj
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:06:58 -0500
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
> I remind you all of my request for details on roads missed from CURRENT
OS
> maps. They have told us (CCPR) that the matter is noted and they will
> improve, so if there are still problems I need the evidence. This might
Look Tim, The OS try to help by adding an extra BOAT or two to, 135, too
much some cry, take em orf again. They can't win can poor ole OS.
And BTW, it came today. Didn't ask for my old one back. D'yer reckon it'll
be worth a bit in years to come?
(ps note they also think reclassification means changing BOAT to BW !)
>From OS:-
Dear Mr Marsden
Please find the following reply from our Rights of Way Co-ordinator.
Yours sincerely
Anne Patrick
Customer Information Adviser
Dear Mr Marsden
Many thanks for the third Email received on 14 February 1999.
You are quite correct in noting that there were certain BOATS which were
depicted as Bridleways on Landranger sheet 135. Unfortunately, this could
only be attributed to human error. However, once noted the error was
quickly
corrected and the sheet reprinted with corrections. All existing unsold
stock was recalled and destroyed.
Rather than supply you with a list of those Rights of Way which require
reclassification I have posted a copy of the corrected sheet to you.
I trust this will meet with your approval.
Yours sincerely
T Thornton
Rights of Way Co-ordinator
----------
From: Customer Info Enquiries x2912
Subject: FW: Map 135 Aberystwyth BOATs
Date: 15 February 1999 15:10
Dear Trevor
Can you deal with this one as well?
Thank you.
Anne Patrick
Customer Information
----------
From: Byway@compuserve.com
Subject: Map 135 Aberystwyth BOATs
Date: 14 February 1999 20:22
Orleton Manor
Orleton, Nr Ludlow,
SY8 4HR
01 568 780 811
Customer Information Office,
Ordnance Survey
Romsey Road
Southampton
SO16 4GU
[spamkill: [Ii][Nn][fF][Oo]@ input: %s] Email: custinfo@ordsvy.gov.uk
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:06:55 -0500
Subject: Re: HA PROW Web pages
> when DT specifically knows that I sought out authorisation from AB
hisself
> to act OBO AWDC in view of the fact that the _real, proper,
> name-appears-in-the-mag_Hampshire Rep neither represents the AWDc nor can
be bothered returning my phone calls.
Maybe some of the other ordinary AWDC members who MUST be on this list
> could phone AB and get him to shift his minions arses.
We need one good national laning organisation. One good 4wd national
eventing organisation, and not someone from one poking about in the other
camp. IMHO
> Since I live neither in Hants or Berks I do my best to meddle in both -
> name-appears-in-the-mag_Hampshire Rep neither represents the AWDc nor can
so
> kindly gimme a little credit.
He's one in a million.
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)(who went straight from a night duty at 0730
> to meet Chris Marsden this am at the PRO Kew to get involved in research)
> Its now 5pm and I havent yet been to bed.
> name-appears-in-the-mag_Hampshire Rep neither represents the AWDc nor can
Soon be time for work again, you can take it easy them! Just switch the
landing lights on and put yer feet up.
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:06:53 -0500
Subject: bewdley/stourport bywayDevil's S TRO
>From Worcester CC PROW Manager:-
17/02/99
Our Ref: AT/M128
Contact: Andy Turner
Dear Chris
Bewdley / Stourport Byway, Modification Order and Proposed TRO.
Thank you for your letter of 15 February. I shall e-mail this reply and
then you will have my correct e-mail address.
I can only say that I agree with your various points but not in relation to
this route where the potential for damage, abuse and conflict is
considerable. The overwhelming view of local people, who are the regular
users of the path, is that vehicular use is inappropriate and I agree.
Those opposing the TRO come from afar and are unlikely to use the route to
any great extent in my view.
However, please do not interpret this proposal as representing our policy
towards byways. This is the first time we have considered a TRO on a
byway, although we have been pressurised to do so on other occasions.
The Wyre Forest Highways Partnership Unit is handling the TRO consultation
and I will pass a copy of your letter and this reply to them.
Yours sincerely
Andy Turner
Dear Andy,
Thank you for your reply. Whilst I understand your reasons for agreeing
this TRO should proceed on this occasion, I do not believe it is the right
way to proceed. Perhaps you could also pass this letter to the Wyre Forest
Highways Partnership Unit, please.
Neither I, nor would anyone, like to see a partial TRO applied and then
fail. I am sure by intelligent management it can be made to work, and will
be a lesson for all, and provide information on which to make informed
decisions.
The call for "it was done at Bewdley, we want it done here" will be harder
to resist for concurrent TROs.
The motorcycle use, of which some sign is visible, will NOT be affected
by the TRO. A TRO can only apply to Motor Vehicles (and other classes as
specified) but a scramble bike not being a road bike, and not taxed as
such, is therefore not in law, a Motor Vehicle. NO prosecution can be
brought under the Road Traffic Act for riding such a motorcycle on the
highway. (This is distinct from the problem of apprehending a menouverable
machine without number plates.) Even having found the culprits a private
prosecution would have to be brought, or prosecution for infringement of a
byelaw, if any. The TRO would not have helped.
Signs in the vicinity of the biking are an urgent priority. So is
directing these people to a lawful venue for their pursuits.
An experimental TRO can do everything a permanent TRO can do, but would
have course have to be with a specific purpose in mind. User co-operation
could be relied upon. The costs are less, the advertising and consultation
simplified. If the TRO as proposed is found to be unnecessary due to the
BOAT application being classified as a bridleway, the money spent on
advertising would have been wasted.
You say the objections come from further afield. Is that surprising? The
use of byways by vehicles should be low, and less than by foot or horse. In
the County as a whole it is low, too low, so much so that we are in danger
of losing even more through under use. There are only about 4 people
willing to use (4w) vehicles on byways in the county for leisure purposes.
The several dozen others that might pay an occaisional visit are
necessarily from further afield. It really is a case of use them or lose
them to the obstructor, encroacher ploughman or developer. These people
should be welcomed in sensible numbers. If this lane was driven 1 or 2
dozen times a year, it would as I stated earlier benefit. Without
regulation it is never likely to reach this level of use. With, it will be
lower usage still, even enabling the possibility of having a record of who,
and when it is being used. Why fix a problem that does not exist? It is a
waste of money, and displaying intrusive signs, by control freaks not
understanding the nature of the problem. That will do nothing to control
the dumping and torching of cars or illegal scramble bikes, possibly even
exacerbating it
I would therefore ask the Wyre Forest Highways Partnership Unit to comply
with the letter as well as the spirit of DETR advice, and regulate traffic
by an Experimental TRO, more effectively than a permanent full-time TRO,
thereby saving the complaints that will otherwise be made.
Yours sincerely
Chris Marsden
Any thoughts, particularly the illegality of unregisterable bikes ?
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:07:05 -0500
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
> ><<<<<Can we find out who are the 65 MPs claimed to be in an anti
> >group?>>>>>
> You could do worse than have a look at:
> http://edm.ais.co.uk/weblink/html/motion.html/ref=24
> which records those who have signed the EDM on Green Lanes.
24/11/98
Rendel/David
Atkins/Charlotte Baker/Norman Ballard/Jackie
Barnes/Harry Body/Richard Borrow/David
Bottomley/Peter Brady/Graham Brake/Tom
Brand/Peter Brinton/Helen Burstow/Paul
Butler/Christine Caton/Martin Chidgey/David
Cotter/Brian Cryer/Ann Cryer/John
Dafis/Cynog Drew/David Etherington/Bill
Fabricant/Michael Fearn/Ronnie George/Andrew
Gill/Christopher Grieve/Dominic Hancock/Mike
Harris/Evan Harvey/Nick Heath/David
Howarth/Gerald Hunter/Andrew Jackson/Robert
Jones/Nigel Keetch/Paul Livingstone/Ken
Luff/Peter McWalter/Tony Mitchell/Austin
Organ/Diana Pickthall/Colin Robathan/Andrew
Russell/Bob Simpson/Alan St Aubyn/Nick
Taylor/David Taylor/Matthew Temple-Morris/Peter
Townend/John Tyler/Paul Wigley/Dafydd
52 signatures
That this House notes the work of the Green Lanes Environmental Action
Movement, and the safety and environmental implications of the use of
vulnerable green lanes used by motorised vehicles for recreational
purposes; further notes the Countryside Commission's flawed proposals to
classify all roads-used-as-public-paths as byways on which motorised
traffic would be permitted; and calls on the Government to re-examine the
law in relation to the use of green lanes as part of its work on access to
the countryside, recognising that there are designated and appropriate
areas for the use of recreational off-road motor vehicles.
A bit of political campainging needed?
Only if you want to save green lanes from the lies of gleam and relentless
tractor damage.
Ask me about Oareborough Hill !
cj
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:07:00 -0500
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
> improve, so if there are still problems I need the evidence. This might
> usefully take the form of an A4 sheet with Grid refs & road number, a
> photocopy of the Landranger section not showing the route, another map
section
> which does show it (eg Pathfinder or old one-inch) if there is one, and a
Dead Woman's Lane. Shown on Ludlow Sheet 129 FR 1948 C's o 1958, as 1/3
double hedged, and 2/3rds as double pecked white.
1995 148 Presteigne shown with two tiny stumps at both ends, and lots of
white space in between. It is still as described in the 1948 map, was
cleared from derelict 3 years ago on GLD. A substantial sunken lane. UCR
that hasn't even been tippex'd off the LoS yet!
Romanis did try to 116 it, but failed. Use it or lose it.
SO 369 654 378 654
I do have a number of photos, both during clearance,. a few before, some
after. (Can email jpg if required.)
Is this the sort you want? I can give you half a dozen or so on 148, Rhos
Goch Golf course (Anialated), Bank Fm, Brilley, Quebb, Hill House-a
smasher, Hillhole, Oatcroft, Rodd, Lowes Hall etc. All show nothing now,
on base map but I'm sure were shown as whites on previous maps.
If they are now shown as black pecked or bridleway or FP, when they were
shown as double hedged or unfenced white on the earlier maps, but are
still UCR, or Tippex UCR, though still physically double hedged or white
unfenced I assume you do not want to know about them? There must just be
too many of those.
Or do you want only DM stuff that the OS (or CC) have forgotten to show:-
ie SN 7840, shown as BOAT on 1985 147.
shown as a gurt big dollop of white nothin on the 1991 160, and a similar
vacant space on the 1997 160. Interestingly the 1997 shows the FP at the
top and to the right as taking different courses. So their time has been
profitably spent in those 6 years, - tinkering.
The BOAT route does exist, not a lot left; well signed - as a footpath, a
little difficult to follow. Exits at south through a rather nice Hice.
They will move cars if asked, without complaining, just sighing.
SN 783 418 TO 783 407
cj
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From: Elwyn York <Elwyn@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:05:51 +0000
Subject: GOODBYE
Cheers for everthing and all.
Enjoy email all.
Dont work too hard!
Cheers
Elwyn
LR S3 '72 (Very Dented) Lightweight. [47 FL 06]
"Sub Aerodynamic Green Brick" ICQ: 17087824.
PS. This email account will soon cease. Please use Elwyn_york@hotmail.com.
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:16:33 -0500
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
> The fact is that highway authorities are paying a huge fee to
> cover copyright - OS are expecting authorities to use extremely limited
> resources to check data which in the end makes Explorer sheets
commercially
> viable.
I remember the good old days, when the OS used to go out level the route,
carve Bench Marks, (only if it was a public road ;-) ask Landowners about
roads, show public roads with the South/East side thickened, and get the
FPs and boundaries the rights side of the fence, and give the distance on
the map from the wall, or hedge etc. When men were men, without satellites
or 'puters. . . . . .
cj
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:16:34 -0500
Subject: Re: OS explorers
> >Is it something to worry about? -
> >you'll probably all say YES!
> Yes! Because they do not show all the unsurfaced unclassified roads, or
> miss bits off to make you think it is not a through route!!
I asked about a whole list of examples, and of course got no definite
reply, the next question some one could ask is:-
Do you use the county road map OR the LIST of Streets?
If both, and there is a discrepancy, what do you do?
Do you go in and get the info from the LoS/Map and get shown everything, or
do you get what the CC (want to) think you have asked for?
This puts us over half way to finding out if there is a 'mistake' or
selectivity in force, who's it will be.
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:16:38 -0500
Subject: Re: OS Explorers (Reply it is not us!! by the HA)
> (ie mainly the RA and us lot). Therefore we need to show that it is a big
job
> (which it is if you are right) and that we need some help. As this info
is
> needed for public benefit, and there is no legal obligation to show it on
> maps, there may well be a chance of lottery funding, but we need to show
that
> there is a real problem. I can do this, given the evidence.
I doubt if there are sufficient Expl maps out there yet to see anything
other than the tip of the (potential) iceberg. I hear the Kington has/had
several omissions on the draft. I doubt if many areas have a competant
person. (Both capable AND unbiassed) (Kington has two)
The funding would be spent to a large extent on maps anyway. The inclusion
of clubs on an affordable GIS or given some maps, and drafts would be a big
step.
IF there are a significant number of omisions, then we do need to know if
it is 'human error' as I was told, or something much more sinister, which
will come out sooner or later.
cj
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From: winchesterld@cix.compulink.co.uk (Rodney Sabine)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 99 06:29 GMT0
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
> We get the politicians we vote for. Honest ones don't even apply.
Some politicians are honest
Some politicians have 4X4s
Some politicians use green lanes
Some politicians get lured along green lanes by Dave Tilbury and Mick Dyer
when they're in the middle of delivering leaflets for major by-elections.
Some are members of this conference.....
Rodney Sabine, Alresford, Hampshire
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