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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:04:24 -0000
Subject: Re: OS explorers
you'll probably all say YES!>>
No point in worrying about something that you cannot currently influence.
If you went to the County they would tell you to bog off - and outside
interest is just as likely to make the CC more cautious - could work either
way. And the OS will tell you bog off both before and after the event. I
would love to be wrong.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:28:36 +0000
Subject: Re: bewdley/stourport bywayDevil's S TRO
> but a scramble bike not being a road bike, and not taxed as
> such, is therefore not in law, a Motor Vehicle. NO prosecution can be
> brought under the Road Traffic Act for riding such a motorcycle on the
> highway.
Wouldn't this apply to such bikes used on the Ridgeway?
Regards,
Howard
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:46:29 +0000
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
> Rendel/David
My father voted for this twit. He muttered last week that.. 'The man seems
good for nothing apart from appearing in photographs'. He is getting a bit of
stick in the local press at the moment. Poor chap. (Rendel not my Dad!)
> there are designated and appropriate areas for the use of recreational
> off-road motor vehicles.
Rendel said this in a NWN interview (could have been scripted by Gloom).
Designated areas?
> A bit of political campaigning needed?
Started locally.
> Only if you want to save green lanes from the lies of gleam and relentless
> tractor damage.
I think we will have to put together a presentation showing how much green
lane damage is caused by sources other than recreational users. Gardiner has
one that he hawks around local Ramblers groups.
Regards,
Howard
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:34:02 +0000
Subject: Re: HA PROW Web pages
> Soon be time for work again, you can take it easy them! Just switch the
> landing lights on and put yer feet up.
Did you hear about the chap who went to bed and left the landing light on?
He woke up and found the hall full of aeroplanes!
Regards,
Howard
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:07:26 -0500
Subject: Re: bewdley/stourport bywayDevil's S TRO
> > but a scramble bike not being a road bike, and not taxed as
> > such, is therefore not in law, a Motor Vehicle. NO prosecution can
be
> > brought under the Road Traffic Act for riding such a motorcycle on the
> > highway.
> Wouldn't this apply to such bikes used on the Ridgeway?
> > highway.
Yes. If I am right in saying the riders can not be prosecuted under the RTA
as they are not road vehicles. What remedies are avaliable? (Especially if
there is not a L/O as such, ie it is a publicly owned road, say an IA Pb
CR)
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:07:23 -0500
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
> I think we will have to put together a presentation showing how much
green
> lane damage is caused by sources other than recreational users. Gardiner
has
> one that he hawks around local Ramblers groups.
Yes, the whole package needs to be put together, carefully.
Several headings:-
Leisure users cause virtually no damage
That agriculture is responsible for substantial amounts of damage
That everyone is entitled to Access to the Countryside by their chosen
method, so longs as the rights of others are not unreasonably degraded
Most opposition come from those who would financially gain from suppression
of other's rights
Gloom has not preserved any lanes. The varied nature of the countryside is
enhanced by a multitude of different ways.
Green lanes used only by leisure users are in better condition than those
used by agriculture, or unused. Carriageways will not survive looking like
traditional carriageways with such use. A considerable net benefit accrues
from the use of lanes, ie clearance, prevention of obstructions.
Bullet points along these lines should be in letters sent by anyone
interested in usable lanes surviving, with a full detailed information
pack, backed up by photographs to prove the point, rubbish the gloom lies
and fictitious claims. The evidence will rely heavily on MBoB, and other
independent reports, council minutes, CoCo, CLA quotes and other useful
sources.
What I can not understand is what drives the obsessed zealots on. What
does dunlop gardiner still mills get out of it. plumbe and perhaps dunlop
makes oodles of dosh, but the others don't get rich on the subs at £6,
although for that you only get two propaganda sheets sent each year.
Obviously the average member does not have much to do with the lobbying!
Chris
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:17:09 -0000
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
<<Some politicians get lured along green lanes ... when they're in the
middle of delivering leaflets for major by-elections.>>
With their 4x4 covered in "vote for" stickers and they still get elected.
There is a lesson to be learned hear that Mr Hunter, Key, et al should
head!!
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: winchesterld@cix.compulink.co.uk (Rodney Sabine)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 06:29 GMT0
Subject: Re: 20 years of B&B
> I heard today from within HCC that the leader of the, Council Freddy
> Emery-Wallace, a councillor that neither lives or works (AFAIK) within
> the
> County, has let is be known, on a number of occasions, that he wants
> mountain bikes banned from Hampshire's RoW.
He'll have to get a move on - I doubt very much if he'll be leader after
the HCC Annual meeting in May. His own side hate him more than the
opposition (but not as mich as me)
Rodney Sabine, Alresford, Hampshire
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From: winchesterld@cix.compulink.co.uk (Rodney Sabine)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 06:29 GMT0
Subject: Re: MP Bennett
> A bit of political campainging needed?
Yes - especially amongst Lib Dem and Labour by the look of that list -
interesting group. We need one of our organisations to be as pro-active as
GLEAM. Trouble is that no MP likes to be seen with 4X4s. Our local MP,
whose election campaign I ran, wouldn't even be photographed with some
disabled people using 4X4s. Still, at least the didn't sign the GLEAM
motion, so I must have had some effect on him.
Rodney Sabine, Alresford, Hampshire
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From: winchesterld@cix.compulink.co.uk (Rodney Sabine)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 06:29 GMT0
Subject: Re: 20 years of B&B
> Check your Representation of the Peoples Act: To stand for election you
> must reside in the area in which the election is being held. We have
> one of these on our District Council, but checking reveals he has a
> 'pied a terre' here. I would be surprised if Mr Emery-Wallace wasn't
> covered.
Been there done that. The Act actually says 'reside or work'. Freddy was
a member of the old Hampshire pre re-organisation. Hence, as a County
Councillor, he worked in Winchester - so he's eligible. Sadly.
Rodney Sabine, Alresford, Hampshire
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From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:10:40 +0000
Subject: Re: OS explorers
In message <bulk.29749.19990219171711@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Chris
Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com> writes
>I asked about a whole list of examples, and of course got no definite
>reply, the next question some one could ask is:-
>Do you use the county road map OR the LIST of Streets?
>If both, and there is a discrepancy, what do you do?
There is a sign up in the Landcharge off above the county road maps, it
says in so many words:-
This maps are not accurate!!! so how do they maintain them if they do
not know where they are?
Brian
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