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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:48:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Points of law
>>have it all the time.
>If they have it sometimes but not others - how is a highway user supposed
to
>know if they have or have not until they stop???
>Bod
My policy is that if they are carrying big guns, then that generally gives
them the authority :-))
This is similar to the new version of the highway code which is in operation
around Bovington Tank Training Ground, Dorset, if it's got tracks and a big
barrel sticking out of the turret, it's got right of way over you :-))
Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 16:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Countryfile
Well, not a bad showing, really.....
I thought that John Craven was *nearly* taking the pee out of BFB...
Nice showing Tim, and that other fellow, wassisname with the rain dropping
on his head....
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:38:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
> <<<<Is this one way flow on Muddy Lane? So why not try VR first?>>>>
> Why should we? We dont use VR on the M25 and thats just as dangerous. HCC
> are well prepared to ENFORCE the reinstatement of ML to its published
> standard c/w surface traetment so why should we offer more than we need
to
> resolve the situation?
But they are not proposing a TRO on the M25 are they? And they are here?
Surely a VR that can be lifted/varied easily and as quickly as you want,
surely is better than a full time permanent TRO? Better neither, but if it
is so dangerous that you think some one has to hoot, then it sounds there
is a problem they will/can not leave?
> <<<<that can also
> standard c/w surface traetment so why should we offer more than we need
be permanent (by negotiation) just as effective.>>>>
> I'd oppose this.
> standard c/w surface traetment so why should we offer more than we need
> There WILL be a safety problem even after the severest-possible trimming
> in the view of the PRO-USER HCC RoW Officer I spoke to. Lemme see it
for
> myself on Tuesday.
> in the view of the PRO-USER HCC RoW Officer I spoke to. Lemme see it
Sounds like you are saying No VR but TRO it if you must?
Chris
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 18:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Somerset
Anyone on the list live in Somerset or with the N. Somerset UA?
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 18:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Countryfile
Now that I have re-viewed the tape, several pointers come out.
BfB (except Probert) were unanimously talking out of their back passages.
The Good Doctor presumes that *every* walker will come and stay, and that
*no* 4x4 user will need fuel or sarnies. So the surge in commerce locally
can't be *that* important to him, since a couple of 4x4s would spend
?100ukp? in fuel over two days + B&B, whereas a traveller will only need
their sarnies and flask filled. Hmm. Not much double standard there then.
He stated that horse-folk would be welcome, but his mate Farmer Giles has
failed to incorporate into his gates ('not an obstruction, John, oh no
no') any device which will alow a horse to pass. Hmm. Not much
double--standard there either.
Probert (or should that be Poor Bert?) was the only one who had a valid
point. In theory, More people=more chance of thievery, logical siince a
larger number of people will include a larger number of *any* given
character types. But hang on there Bert, d'ye no think the Baddies will
have eyeballed yer property long ago? If sheep rustlers are prepared to
travel hundreds of miles for a cheap bit o' mutton does Bert not think
that his precious muck-spreader will have not already been noted?
Tim and Chris, otoh, failed utterly to spread gloom and doom, asked
perfectly rational questions (of the viewer) and I think they won Mr.
Craven over.
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: Michael Taylor <mikeandchris.taylor@virgin.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:33:59 +0000
Subject: Country File
Hi folks,
Well what a wet grotty day to film a couple of wet grotty looking blokes
in a wet grotty looking lane.
But other than the weather it was a scorcher!
In matters such as these I tend to turn to my wife who can be much more
objective and not being as, shall we say, motivated as me is more
detached and likely to view it from the point of view of the average
punter.
The verdict is, those landowners are prats and as for the one who had a
gate sort of spare like, and decided just to put it in here. Well he is
a real prize plonker.
So all in all very well done lads and we should all put Roger Ward on
the christmas card list for sticking to his guns. Lets hope he is as
objective and even handed with the commissioners. Any chance of a
return match of any kind or a trip with John Craven and his shiny disco
when the weather dries out, if it ever does.
Cheers,Mike.
P.S. My kids think I'm nearly famous because I know famous people on the
telly!
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:13:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Countryfile
> Nice showing Tim, and that other fellow, wassisname with the rain
dropping
> on his head....
Ta Mick,
They did edit out a lot of very good points that were made, the
obstructions did not come over well, but how do you show an overgrown lane?
Another slightly overgrown silted lane that clearly was not being used by
vehicles, and the interview there was cut.
They refused to ask where is all the damage you claim? The attractive
lane in the background to Tim's interview is Dead Womans Lane, U91613.
Cleared on GLDay 3 years ago, was impassable. That particular spot is not
shown double hedged, black pecked or anything on OS maps. No RoW. I drove
down it about 2 weeks ago! Not a mark on it.
Slightly disappointing, but they could have shown bias. They did not
challenge Brown claiming "Never been a RoW, and Council agree" Obviously
a gleam member, the program makers knew I had a letter from council WITH
ME saying YES it's IS a highway, and commitee have agreed to make an order
for BOAT, (But not doing owt as its Nettlecombed)
The second interview image was reversed. Yes Mirrow image! Why/How can
they do that?
By gum it were wet, every time they filmed. Dry in between.
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Dere Street
> <<Does anyone have good counters to the 'Ancient Monument' argument as it
> has appeared more than once up here.
> It is not an ancient 'monument' but a living historic route which derives
> its importance from the rights over it, not the structure of it, which is
as ancient as Paddy's pick axe - (oi've ad the same pick, man 'n bouy.
> It's ad 10 heads and 15 handles in that toime.).
Eeee Lad, that's a right godd analogy!
Blooming good proggy on C4 last night Hardys Country.
Poking fun at CA
Quote:
40% of Fenlands
95% of Meadows
300,000 Kms Hedgerows ripped out
20% of all ancient monuments damaged, mainly the plough!
Thats an average of one a day since 1945
Does that help?
Oh, and 45% of SSSI damaged by Landowners in last 10 years by farm
machinery.
Bloody marvelous, It's safe in our hands!
Is there a single road anywhere in the country destroyed by users? Nah.
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:13:16 -0500
Subject: Independent/ PCC
Can anyone help?
I have made a complaint to the Editor of the Independent about the article
on 6/2/99. No reply, just faxed a second copy. I have also complained to
PCC. Their guide says :-
Accuracy
i) Newspapers and periodicals must take care not to publish inaccurate,
misleading or distorted material including pictures.
There can be no doubt that was misleading by showing tractor damage and
claiming it to be leisure user. How do I show:-
A) that I have suffered as a result.
B) that users, both TRF and GLASS have suffered, i.e. greater support for
EDM24 etc. putting our legitimate pastime at risk.
C) That the damage was predominantly agricultural, not leisure?
Would it help if they both complain as well, simply that their members
interest's were damaged by a biased article?
PCC responded immediately and need a copy of article. They may ask the
three questions above. Mick, have you had any acknowledgement to the s56
yet? Do you have a fax no for Babtie that covers this area? I assume it
is RB?
Chris
copy of letter to PCC follows:
Orleton Manor
Orleton, Nr Ludlow,
SY8 4HR
01 568 780 811
Press Complaints Commission
1Salisbury Square
London
EC4Y 8AE
By Fax. 0171-353-8355
Phone. 0171-353-1248
4/3/99
Dear Sir,
Re: Complaint - Independent - Weekend review p.18 -Article 6/2/99
I am making a complaint regarding an article in The Independent on 6/2/99.
I understand you have a time limit of 1 month in which a complaint may be
made, however I have had to undertake some detailed research to establish
that the article DID give a totally erroneous picture and impression.
I have sent a letter to the editor at the address for ‘letters to the
editor’ by Email 3/3/99, as yet I have had no acknowledgement.
Would you please forward a copy of your Code of Practice, and advise if
there is any reason why such a complaint may not be within your remit.
These are some of the statements from the article:-
The ground is in a dreadful state, with the winter braking records for
rainfall springs are bursting out all where none have flowed before, top
soil is being eroded by the ton, and mud with the consistency of porridge
lies knee-deep in gate-ways trampled by cattle.
Small wonder, then, that land-owners, walkers and riders are at
daggers-drawn with the drivers of 4x4 vehicles which churn green lanes,
bridleways and footpaths into a morass.
The 4x4 vehicles DO NOT churn up bridleways and footpaths. To drive a
motorised vehicle on a bridleway or footpath IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. There
is no suggestion or shred of evidence provided that this has happened. To
even ‘churn up green lanes into a morass’ is simply not true. There is no
evidence provided to support this. All independent reports have concluded
that there is NO EVIDENCE of this either. On the contrary, examples
include:-
· The DETR Inspector, appointed by the Secretary of State to determine
whether the calls by Mr Gardiner’s cohorts warranted a ban on motorised
vehicles. The result? Not only was there NO case for a ban, but it
stated "Most Parties now accept that agricultural vehicles have been
responsible for most of the damage to the surface"
· Countryside Commission Rights of Way in the 21st Century:-
· No evidence a widespread problem exists
· No case for a general ban
. Low Key motorised use should be accommodated
· Prosecuting Farmers is not a sufficient deterrent, and considers
withdrawing subsidies
· Blames under performing Highway Authorities for many problems.
· The DETR’s ‘Making the Best of Byways’:-
· Heavy tractors are worst
· Horses and Livestock may cause severe damage
· A major problem is lack of maintenance
· Whilst most leisure use is Spring to Autumn, Horse riders use lanes all
year round.
· Farmers may use MORE lanes intensively in winter
· Encourages minimum use of farm machinery.
· Extols the virtues of the user’s voluntary restraint initiative
· Advises it is improper to show unsubstantiated prejudice against a
particular class of user
· Motorised lane users are more aware of their responsibilities using when
byways.
· That minority interests are not to be disadvantaged
· Complainants blame 4wd for damage when in reality it is caused by
farmers
· Focusing on 4wd would not solve the problem
· Problems do occur when HAs incorrectly record roads as paths or
bridleways.
One notorious theatre of dispute is the Ridgeway; the ancient track that
runs east and west along the summit of the Berkshire Downs: a hiker
recently described the stretch above Marlborough as being like the
battlefield of the Somme.
"A 30-ton articulated lorry is the same in law as a pony and trap," he
says, "and a green lane byway no different from a six lane dual
carriageway."
This is not the case. A six lane dual carriage way is likely to be a
"Special Road" that prohibits walkers, and a 30-ton articulated lorry,
unlike a 4wd car, on a green lane could clearly lead to prosecution under
HA80 s59.
Skirmishes between the two sides are going on all over the country; and
nowhere more vigor-ously than in Herefordshire, where the county council is
considering nearly 20 applications to have paths and bridleways declared
Boats -Byways Open to All traffic.
The council have accepted many roads are incorrectly classified as
bridleways, which are in law already vehicular highways and should be
corrected on the Definitive Map of RoW.
The Act expressly denies councils the right to take into consideration any
impact on environ-ment, wildlife, amenity or archae-ology: decisions must
be based entirely on evidence gleaned from historical records. when a
decision is announced, objectors may call for a public inquiry; and they
have a month in which to prepare counter-claims; but the inspectors who
preside over the inquiry are equally bound by history; and they may not
take environmental considerations into account.
This is grotesquely distorted. The Act replaces the flawed 1968
Countryside Act which tried to consider suitability and legal rights, and
was torpedoed by the courts (Riley Case) and subsequently after very
careful consideration by parliament in the WLCA 1981, where the legal
status is determined by evidence, and the suitability or otherwise is
determined under s14 of the RTA 1988, or its then predecessor.
The 4x4 clubs are well-funded, and they've retained a lawyer who can
devote a major percentage of his time to this work
This is another of ‘Dr.’ Harrisson’s oft repeated lies. He is well aware
that this is not the case. I therefore ask you to identify the person, and
establish their qualifications.
I would also like to have ‘Dr.’ Harrison’s qualification to that title
verified.
Yet even he (David Keown-Boyd) concedes that very few green lanes have been
churned up so far a point made by one of his most active opponents,
"very few" gives the impression that SOME have. The group have never been
able to identify any. We have not, and we have surveyed every single lane,
in North Herefordshire on more than one occasion to monitor any change.
The RoW Officers have confirmed there are none. It is absolutely safe to
conclude without any proof forthcoming that there is none. If you have
proof please provide it.
Chris Marsden, co-ordinator of the Marches Historic Lane Preservation
Group, which is directing the research in county archives.
This is not true. I am not conducting research or directing any other
people to do so in these lanes. This has been done by the applicant alone,
and will be the duty of the County Council to further investigate.
He contends that the damage to such lanes is "fairly light from any sort of
vehicles", and that "in most counties there is absolutely none from
recreational vehicles". Almost all the damage that does occur; he
maintains, is done by farm tractors and trailers, and by the 4x4 trucks of
the utility com-panies and so on.
Indeed, he claims that most lanes would positively benefit from an increase
in recreational traffic of between 10- and 50-fold, and should be promoted
as a "leisure resource". Such extra use, he believes, would help keep
ancient routes clear and maintain their character He is, of course,
"absolutely against any form of trespass", but equally he has no doubt
that: "People who want to keep the public away from their little bit of
olde England - they're the menace."
This is an important part of my complaint. The above is quite correct.
Due to the accompanying faked representation of agricultural damage
purported as leisure user damage in the very large picture, it makes the
above statement, appear to be condoning the deplorable damage that has
occurred, and suggesting users would wish to see it compounded. (The above
is very selective part of what was discussed, although I make no complaint
of this, but Mr Hart-Davis did not divulge his intended biased angle of
reporting, claiming not to have heard of Gleam, which I understand is not
the case.) The proof of the damage being agricultural is beyond any doubt
whatsoever.
Mud-pluggers - the true addicts -pay £100 a day or more for instruction in
a really foul environment.
The difficulty is that they actively want what other legiti-mate users of
the countryside most hate - ruts, slippery slopes. water mud up to the
axles; and if they find such amenities freely available in the country they
will take to the lanes in hordes.
I understand the going rate for Off-Road driving is about £15-20 a day, is
often run by farmers, and encouraged as diversification. This is a
perfectly legitimate thing for people to do that wish to get their pleasure
that way, at £20 it provides a low cost days fun. At the exaggerated figure
quoted of £100 a day, Mr Hart Davis’s claim might seem plausible.
The Making the Best of Byways report deals with this matter thus:-
7.3 "It should not be assumed that all motor vehicle users seek [off road
facilities] Trail riders or 4wd drivers who take pleasure in travelling
along historic row are unlikely to drive round a purpose built course and
are more likely to be aware of their rights and responsibilities when using
byways"
The claim of "taking to the lanes in hordes" is patently untrue. His close
neighbour, Ian Brown has illegally erected locked gates on a public road.
Others have followed suit. 27 obstructed, unusable public roads have been
reported to the Highway Authority in the last year. Not a single
unsurfaced green lane is overused in the county by leisure vehicles, a fact
confirmed by the Highway Authority. None have been damaged by use, many
have been irrevocably lost by ploughing, in-filling.
The article clearly indicates users or motorised vehicles want to see muddy
conditions. This is complete tosh, to sell an article. Making the Best of
Byways states this is not a widespread problem. It does say there are some
cowboys, generally not club members and proper maintenance would
discourage such activities. ALL the user groups support this view. I have
summarised above some of the conclusions of Making The Best of Byways
should you think I have been taking quotations selectively, I will be
pleased to forward on request.
Yours sincerely,
Chris J Marsden.
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:30:59 -0000
Subject: RE: Upper Lye
Saw Chris peering over the gates......
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:30:57 -0000
Subject: RE: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
4 metres is about right for a single horse, or two side by side - what about
the 4 in hand brigade who must be ten metres from the scene of the accident.
The other thing is that drivers don't always see horses as well they do
cars - I can't understand why as horses are 'ugly great brutes'...(sorry
Sue)
Nice one Dave.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:30:54 -0000
Subject: RE: Dere Street
>From memory there is a section of Dere Street that is covered with a
substantial mass of tarmac, used daily by all sorts of large vehicles, cars,
buses. If the bit of Dere St. that is currently not in that destroyed state
is an 'ancient monument', then the A1 is as well. Do they intend to close
that to ALL vehicles as well - I doubt it, but if here were any justice they
would.
To devoid the section we are talking about of its long standing rights would
be to remove its very status as an ancient monument because, as Dave says,
without those rights it would just another tract of moor land, and nobody
would want to go and have a look at it. A bit like going to see Calke Abbey
to find it had been replaced with a pile of building rubble....
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:31:00 -0000
Subject: RE: Countryfile
Who cut Tim's beard?
Why did it take a 'pack' to not answer the questions, and did I hear
Harrison say something about 'no evidence of RoW'? - despite a CC notice to
the contrary...
Overall not a bad balance - and that guy from CoCo was a lot more 'pro
vehicle' than I expected!
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:30:52 -0000
Subject: wheels to provide 'drainage' was RE: Dere Street
I know of a great example of what horses hooves do to a rather soft track.
The bit that is frequented by wheeled vehicles, including tractors, is well
drained, but where only horses tread its an absolute mess, lots of deep
holes. Eventually the water condescends to vanish, but it leaves hard
holes, which make it impossible to walk, or ride a bike over.
Great thing is this track could well have vehicular rights, and so could
gain drainage channels......
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:31:05 -0000
Subject: RE: Points of law
Over being the operative word....
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:31:04 -0000
Subject: RE: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
Joys of an external modem - after sending faxes I simply pull its power
cable, drop it on the floor, grovel around and plug it back in again.
Certain steps of this procedure may not be strictly required, but they
always take place...
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:31:07 -0000
Subject: RE: Countryfile
Did you really get as wet as you looked Chris - in which case have a few
bravery points. Noticed that the others B$%^&* mostly looked dry, is that
because they are so wet additional water doesn't show?
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 22:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
<<<<<<<<Sounds like you are saying No VR but TRO it if you must?>>>>>>>
No, I'm saying No TRO and wait until they say 'We've racked our brains,
what do you suggest?' before we go down the VR route.....
Better signage and making all users aware of danger whilst leaving all
routes open has got to be a better bet than VR IMV.
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:43:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Inspectors
2-3 hundred years ago there were a lot of court cases concerning the flow
of rivers. If you had a competitor who was milling and you bought land up
stream you could create havoc.
The law may now be settles but back then is was a little more fluid ;-)
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:50:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
I do not think bombarding an overworked HCC officer with faxes is going to
do our case any good at all. If I were in Colin's shoes (no manager and
short staffed due to further resignations) and I was bombarded with faxes
from all over the country my recommendation to Committee would be total TRO
to get my own back - not that Colin is as balshy as I am. Give the guy a
break. The best result available will be sought by the officers.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:51:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Inspectors
<<What date was this gem?>>
1692 - yes sixteen 92.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Bill" <bill@trf.freeuk.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:21:31 -0000
Subject: Where's the GLASS website these days ?
Just been checking the links on the TRF website, quite a few not working or
changed location. Could not find the official GLASS site, is there one ? I
found a few regional sites, but not the main one.
Can anyone help?
Cheers, Bill.
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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:33:33 -0000
Subject: Re: Points of law
>Over being the operative word....
>Rob Smith
>> This is similar to the new version of the highway code which is in
>operation around Bovington Tank Training Ground, Dorset, if it's got tracks
>and a big barrel sticking out of the turret, it's got right of way over you
Nice to see someone's awake and appreciates my occasional and often poor (I
had to say that before Mick did) sense of humour.
Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi
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From: geoff@cix.co.uk (Geoff Campbell)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 4:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
> I do not think bombarding an overworked HCC officer with faxes is going
> to
> do our case any good at all. If I were in Colin's shoes (no manager and
> short staffed due to further resignations) and I was bombarded with
> faxes
> from all over the country my recommendation to Committee would be total
> TRO
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> a
> break. The best result available will be sought by the officers.
Well, up to a point.
Thing is, we've been co-operating like nice compliant citizens for years,
and all it has achieved is a rash of TROs and no help at all with illegal
obstructions.
Remember, we are asking these people to enforce our legal rights, as they
have a duty to do, we are emphatically not asking them for a favour.
Regards,
Geoff
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 99 07:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Independent/ PCC
Chris asks
<<<<<<<<There can be no doubt that was misleading by showing tractor
damage andclaiming it to be leisure user. How do I show:-
A) that I have suffered as a result. >>>>
By the additional workload that, as a RoW activist, this causes you
unecessarily (postage, fax/tel calls) as you attempt to corerct the false
impressions
<<<<B) that users, both TRF and GLASS have suffered, i.e. greater support
forEDM24 etc. putting our legitimate pastime at risk.>>>>
Greater support for EDM will be a difficult one to prove, how about
reinforcement of prejudice in the 'majority' against the 'minority'?
<<<C) That the damage was predominantly agricultural, not leisure?>>>
Easy.... ask DT for a copy of Ruts3, the photo he took on a Byway which
'speaks a thousand words'. Then invite PCC to compare the Oareborough Hill
phots
<<<<Would it help if they both complain as well, simply that their members
interest's were damaged by a biased article?>>>>
Oh Yes...
<<<<PCC responded immediately and need a copy of article. They may ask the
three questions above. Mick, have you had any acknowledgement to the s56
yet?>>>>>
TO: MICHAEL PHILIP DYER
2 Poplar Avenue Windlesham Surrey GU2O 6PL
On 5 February 1999 you served on West Berkshire District Council ("the
Council") as Highway Authority a Notice under the Highways Act 1980
section 56(1) requiring the Council to state whether the Council admits
that the way described in the Schedule is a highway and that the Council
is liable to maintain it.PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the Council admits that
the way is a highway and that the Council admitsthat the Council is liable
as highway authority to maintain itDated
9 February 1999
SCHEDULE
RUPP 13 Chieveley
RUPP 18 Chieveley
Oareborough Lane (Part)
Old Street (Part)/Sandy Lane
/~_ ~ r
D D Corry
Head of Legal and Administrative Services
West Berkshire District Council Council Offices Market Street Newbury RG14
5LDi:\rn,~erman\worrC\higHways\02 00095.~foc
<<<<<<<<<< Do you have a fax no for Babtie that covers this area? I
assume itis RB?>>>>
Oh yes :-( 0118-988-1666
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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