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From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:56:21 +0000
Subject: Re: NGLD Insurance
In message <bulk.27080.19990309101034@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Mark Smith
>It looks like without some form of official cover, we may be stuck.
Hi Mark
We had the same problem with NYCC but it is partly resolved that if we
are supervised by a council man we are insured, the other option is to
try the BTCV (the British trust for conservation volunteers) I am not
sure of the details, I do not have them to hand, but if you ring
directory inquires and as for BTCV in Windermere then they will give you
some details of a local group.
Regards
Brian Lewis
UCR Rep
All Wheel Drive Club
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From: Brian Lewis <brian@limb.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:05:02 +0000
Subject: Re: Green Lane Saved by LARA Volunteers
In message <bulk.28795.19990310102556@Land-Rover.Team.Net>,
TimLARA@aol.com writes
>Any comments?
Hi Tim
Would it be constructive to send this to Mike Moore Director
Environmental service NYCC as an example of what LARA is doing
His email AD is Mike.moore@northyorks.gov.uk
Regards
Brian
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From: Mike Thomas <miket@sqf.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:42:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
Michael Dyer wrote:
> I will be setting up a comparitive photoshoot 'somewhere in Berkshire' on
> Saturday...
It would be nice to also have a side-by-side picture of an agricultural
tractor alongside, say, a series Land Rover on 205x16's. It could be
used to show the difference in tyres and ground clearance.
This should help put the impact of the two vehicle types in context and
back up any subsequent lane damage photos.
my 2p's worth anyway,
Mike
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:29:33 EST
Subject: Re: Green Lane Saved by LARA Volunteers
In a message dated 11.3.99 10:06:46 GMT Standard Time, brian@limb.demon.co.uk
writes:
<< Would it be constructive to send this to Mike Moore Director
Environmental service NYCC as an example of what LARA is doing >>
Yes, send it to him please, with your own comments, and it might empower you
locally (where we need it ) rather than HQ getting any benefit. Don't you
think?
Cheers, tim
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:51:54 -0000
Subject: Re: RUPP 35 Finchampstead 'Warren Lane'
>I believe there is no statutory right to non-motorised vehicle or any
>access at all, other than on foot to a landlocked property.
I am not sure that there even a statutory provision for foot access to
landlocked property. Let's think about this for just one moment - property
should never become landlocked! Would you buy a plot of landlocked
land without an easement to it? And the process of removing rights from
highways should take the need to access land into consideration.
The problem is, as we all know, that the system fails sometimes - usually as
a result of sloppy management or insisting on too much wieght being attached
to wording (eg Nettlecombe)
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:22:04 -0000
Subject: Re: NGLD Insurance
>You hit a Joe Public with your Landy your 3rd party insurance is liable.
But not if you drop a bloody big branch on their head that you are cutting
through with your bow saw (hand tool!)
Solution: Get the CC to put you on their insurance for one day.
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:08:18 -0000
Subject: Re: Green Lane Saved by LARA Volunteers
>I also suggested that sensible management of use of both lanes would
include
>'Unfit for motors' signs - rectangular, blue, non-threatening, as in the
>Highway Code.
>Any comments?
Well the first comment must be WHAT GOOD NEWS!!!!!!
I think a 'Unsuitable for Motors' is a good idea - most sensible laners know
that means it is an admitted vehicular lane but it also serves to stop
saloon cars attempting to use the lane.
If some physical maintenance is considered necessary then count me in.
I await my letter from WCC with great anticipation.
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:04:36 -0000
Subject: Correction about user forums (was: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle)
>On a more general point - RoW forums, PIs, and the rest of the things that
>have a scheduled time are usually during the day when most people work.
>It is only a very small percentage of people who can easily make regular
>daytime meetings.
>The only user forum I know of is Rochdale - it is also
>one of the best represented and one of the most useful. And yes - I do
>think the three are connected.
That should have said "The only user forum held in the evening that I know
of is Rochdale -....."
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:44:51 -0000
Subject: Re: Hants - Muddy Lane Hordle
>> if someone can get an objection or three off to the email address I
>> gave)
>> and Roman Road.
>Is it valid to object without ever having been near the lane in question?
Yes but make sure that you never let on if it comes to PI as I found to my
cost with Prickshaw Lane [Rochdale]
>> But it is a lot of work. There is no easy way. But still its all good
>> fun.
>Personally, I'd rather be out there driving the lanes than having to fight
>for their continued existence. Still, whatever floats your boat, as they
>say :-)
No Geoff - driving the lanes just gives you the excuses to write the letters
and do the research. Nothing better than a day sitting in the PRO
looking over all those wonderful old documents :-)
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:54:33 -0000
Subject: 'Phone call from HCC
Well HCC are certainly efficient at responding to faxes!!!
Within minutes of sending the fax (see previous mail) they had left a
message on my answer machine saying that Neil Pringle (Chief Exec) was away
on holiday but they would pass in onto The Director of The Environment who,
they tell me, is responsible for Rights of Way.
I shall await a response from one of them with eager anticipation :-)
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:31:45 -0000
Subject: Fax to HCC - Countryfile
The following was faxed today to The Chief Exec of Herefordshire CC
By fax to: 01432 340189
############
Dear Mr Pringle,
COUNTRYFILE – BBC1 – 7TH MARCH 1999
Please could you explain an anomaly which has arisen following the
transmission of the above television programme. During the programme a
route was shown at Upper Lye which is blocked by two large wooden gates.
The landowner, Mr Brown, stated that he had placed the gates there and also
said that the route was not a highway. However, during the same
programme, Mr Marsden contented that the route was indeed a highway and that
your council had formally admitted this fact.
Can you please confirm whether or not this route is a highway and whether it
is a highway maintainable at public expense.
Assuming that it is a highway, could you please supply details of whether
this route is included on The Definitive Map and Statement and, if so, what
is its status.
Furthermore, are there any intentions or proposals to change the way it is
described on the Definitive Map or to include it if it is not already shown.
Again assuming that it is indeed a highway, can you also advise when your
council intends to prosecute Mr Brown for illegally obstructing said
highway. I trust this will be your course of action given that Mr
Brown has publicly admitted erecting the gates. Should you require, I am
prepared to attend a court with a copy of the aforementioned programme and
to testify that it is an unedited copy of the programme that was broadcast
by BBC1 on 7th March 1999 at 11:30am.
Thank you in advance for your assistance with this matter.
Yours faithfully
Ian Boddison
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From: "Mark Smith" <MarkSmith@dataip.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:11:54 -0000
Subject: Re: NGLD Insurance
> We had the same problem with NYCC but it is partly resolved that
> if we are supervised by a council man we are insured.
I did try to invite a council person for this very reason, but I am still
waiting for them to come back to me.
Cheers,
Mark
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 19:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
It would be nice to also have a side-by-side picture of an agricultural
tractor alongside, say, a series Land Rover on 205x16's. It could be
used to show the difference in tyres and ground clearance.>>>>>
That was the whole point, an SJ just happened to come along first.....
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 19:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Letter From MP (Was Re: EDM letter to MP - advice please)
Oh yes I would, now that you have her attention :-)
<<<<<<<<<. I have in the past had complaints from
constituents about green lanes being churned up by off-road vehicles so
thatthey are difficult to pass by walkers and I accept that this will be
theexception rather than the rule.>>>>
So can she now (not IN THE PAST) state exactly where those lanes are?
What action did she take with HA?
<<<<<I do not know whether you have been in touch with the Access Section
atCounty Hall to discuss with them appropriate areas where you can take
yourgrandfather and if you have not done so would suggest that this would
be agood idea.>>>
No, Madam, *I* asked *you* to prove that *you* had done your
research.......
<<<< You are right in thinking that I have not read the document
"Making the Best of Byways", but I will do so.>>>>
OK, so by the end of next week you will know, wont you, Madam, that there
is no problem? Hmmm??? and then you can take yourname off theEDM????
<<<<<< I am sure you will appreciate
that Members of Parliament cannot be experts on every subject>>>>>
Evidently so ;-)
<<<< and sometimes
we respond to what appear to be legitimate concerns of our constituents,
without perhaps thoroughly checking out the alternatives, and I will
certainly take your criticisms seriously and look into this issue more
deeply.>>>>
OK, give her the benefit of the doubt with this first foray...1. It did
produce an answer 2. She has promised to read MBB 3. She has look into
this issue more deeply.... Give her some time and then follow it up, if
she ends up reneging on EDM we can use it to her advantage as well as
ours....
OTOH I'd say thats the same as a resounding victory for our side, a GlEAM
signee promising to look into the facts, must be a first.
Yours sincerely
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:51:28 -0000
Subject: RE: Letter From MP (Was Re: EDM letter to MP - advice please)
Teflon epaulettes.....
One might ask the question, that if he is no expert, then why he signed the
EDM, and who in his constituency has his hand up her jacket, but I doubt
that would get a reply.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
> From: Tom Murkin [mailto:tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 11 March 1999 01:57
> Here is the Letter I recieved from MP Jackie Ballard today. Does it
justify a reply or would that just be a waste of time? If so any ideas on
what to say? At least I have her email address now.
> Thanks
> Sent: 11 March 1999 01:57
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:51:27 -0000
Subject: RE: Green Lane Saved by LARA Volunteers
Last time I looked at it "Yellow Submarine" would be more appropriate :-)
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:33:37 -0000
Subject: Re: RUPP 35 Finchampstead 'Warren Lane'
<<A private house is likely to be granted an easement as part of the
reclassification whereas customer to a Public House.....>>
Only if the HA own the land can they grant an easement. Counties have, in
the past refused to deal with a reclassification where those accessing
property could be held to ransom by a landowner. There is one case in
Hants where one end of a lane is now bridleway but the other end BOAT
because of the houses along the route.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:09:31 -0000
Subject: Re: Letter From MP (Was Re: EDM letter to MP - advice please)
That, IMV, was a very open and honest response for an MP. My reply will
start "TY for contacting me on the matter of ... which is obviously of
great concern to you". Bets??
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Mark Smith" <MarkSmith@dataip.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:58:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Fax to HCC - Countryfile
Bod/Chris,
Just for reference, couldn't help but send a similar type of fax
myself today. So easy since the bloke is on film admitting to a
crime!
Let us see what sort of response we get.
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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:53:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
>It would be nice to also have a side-by-side picture of an agricultural
>tractor alongside, say, a series Land Rover on 205x16's. It could be
>used to show the difference in tyres and ground clearance.
It would also be nice to have a picture of a Land Rover beached out in a dry
rut (if it's muddy it looks like it's causing damage). Of course, you'll be
hard pushed to find a dry rut this time of year. The alternative is to get a
wheel on an axle casing not on the vehicle, or similar, and use it as a
visual guide to show where the axle would be if it were on a vehicle, it
would be more obvious to the viewer of the photo than a picture of a LR in a
rut.
Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 02:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Fax to HCC - Countryfile
Mark Smith wondered
<<<Let us see what sort of response we get.>>>>
Well I sent an EMail on 080399 and it has yet to be acknowledged.......
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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