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From: Charlietrf@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:21:35 EST
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
Bod,
In a message dated 13/03/99 02:07:45, you wrote:
area but both Paul and I do speak up for their needs when needed. >>
??? I presumed you'd be in contact with the local TRF group(s) - if not I'll
give you some contact numbers (if Tim or Richard haven't already.).
Regards
Charlie.
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From: Charlietrf@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:21:40 EST
Subject: Re: CoCo21 Recommendations.
For those of you not subscribing to the Rural Whitepaper list, I thought this
might be interesting/amusing:
<<Subj: Rights of Way in the 21st Century
Date: 13/03/99 08:14:27
From: lisa@jmnorr.globalnet.co.uk (lisa@jmnorr.globalnet.co.uk)
Contributed by lisa@jmnorr.globalnet.co.uk,Internet:
The Countryside Commission have now published their proposed legislative
changes for access. Great. Will it ever actually happen? Or will the "bean
counters" let it happen? A bit of concern about No. 93 re: Motorized users
with option a) accomodate b) restricted or
c) ban altogether. Please note that the RA promote this. What do you think?
Isn't it dangerous to even consider this? Who's next? There was a time
(creation of the Definitive map) when riders were considered the "root of
all evil" then came the motorized lobby, now we're not so bad! Can we stand
by and watch that happen? Obviously the RA have now "come out of the
closet"
with their anti-other users view. They didn't support these changes stating
they are "..not convinced of the need to favour riding and cycling over
walking." Of course the nobbly gits don't! They have 100% of all tracks
available to them! For ANY user group to shamelessly promote THEMSELVES at
the expense of others is disgusting! Well the gloves are off! I have an
idea
for a legislative change. How 'bout we ban walkers from all bridleways &
byways? They are inconvenient to us, get in our way & slow us down. All we
need is a PTRO (pedestrian traffic regulation order) What's good for the
Goose and all that!
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Charlie.
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From: geoff@cix.co.uk (Geoff Campbell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:12 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: Re: CoCo21 Recommendations.
> the expense of others is disgusting! Well the gloves are off! I have an
> idea
> for a legislative change. How 'bout we ban walkers from all bridleways &
> byways? They are inconvenient to us, get in our way & slow us down. All
> we
> need is a PTRO (pedestrian traffic regulation order) What's good for the
> Goose and all that!
Yeah! Way to go! :-)
Glad it's not just me that's reached the end of my tether, although I
wouldn't have put money on support coming from that direction :-)
Regards,
Geoff
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:59:19 -0500
Subject: Re: RoW 21C Recommendations extracts
> 3. Nobody is saying that riding horses is bad for the environment, but
they
> are, about cars. I have never seen a calculation of how many miles to the
> gallon a horse does, although we all know there is a %age of every horses
life
> spent in or behind a motor vehicle.
> Perhaps someone would care to sort out some figures for 3 ?
Driving down to Paddock everyday to feed Neddy.
And to fence, and muck out and ....
And to pop into town to arrange insurance
And go to suppliers for feed
And the Blacksmith
And the Vets
And this goes on every day/month regardless of whether beast / conditions
are good enough to ride!
Thats before you get near a horsebox. There's a few miles travelled by
vehicle for every mile in the saddle.
Not that this is wrong, just another part of a perfectly legitimate leisure
persuit, but something some pundits don't take into acount when they say
"How wonderfully 'green' it is to ride a horse!"
Chris
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:41:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Green Lane Saved by LARA Volunteers
> No. But the map they gave me has some lines that hardly seem to be proper
> roads, it might be worth checking a few out.
Hi Chris,
Now that the evenings are drawing out I would be interested in looking around
for lost roads. I have several old maps that cover the area and may even tie
in with the county data.
Regards,
Howard
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:43:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
> Where can I get hold of a copy of the Blue Book?
You best bet is to nick it from the local library. That is what some pondlife
did to the only lending copy in Berkshire.
Regards,
Howard
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From: geoff@cix.co.uk (Geoff Campbell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
> > Where can I get hold of a copy of the Blue Book?
> You best bet is to nick it from the local library. That is what some
> pondlife
> did to the only lending copy in Berkshire.
Probably a Babtie representative :-(
Regards,
Geoff
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:33:49 -0000
Subject: Any Questions?
I've just been updating my collection of maps, and one of them has these new
fangled things called "Other routes with public access".
OK so far.
Now the question crosses my mind:
What are these, are they a good starting point for research, do they have,
by default any defined rights, or are they just another source of confusion
laid about to trip up the unwitting?
Will the panel please discuss.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:58:42 -0000
Subject: RE: Grey Mill Lane, Little Alne, Warks.
Thanks for the update Richard.
This must be one of the quickest responses to a failure to stop up in
history.
When I walked the banks a couple of months ago the stream was definitely in
the "Yellow Submarine" category, but it would be very interesting to see
what it looks like when the waters have dropped to a more normal summer(?)
level, I'd guess a foot or so deep. I think the 'logs' you are talking
about are some pollarded willows in the logical Southern exit point, this
being the case, with a lower water level, I think one could squeeze a Land
Rover through.
But I' want to walk the lot to make sure, because its such a strange route,
with such a long water crossing my fear is that there might be the odd
'swallow hole' in the bed, just made to grab the passing 4x4 or 2x1...
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
> From: hawker [mailto:hawker@poverty.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 13 March 1999 21:13
> Passing by this afternoon, so decided to stop and look. Came across Mr
Mark, relocating his fences and removing the gates which were once locked.
Within the next few days, I would expect that he will have finished his
work, and the lane will be entirely outside his fence line and plainly
visible.
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:58:44 -0000
Subject: RE: Copies of letter are sent to this list (was: Re: Fax to HCC -
Countryfile)
Only a few months to its Tenth birthday. Can we start organising a little
party, maybe a cake, with some candles could be left by the gates.....
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
p.s. Then we adjourn to a local hostelry to celebrate.
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:58:47 -0000
Subject: RE: Tractor Damage to Lanes
The blue book is currently out of print, but I do know that Staffordshire
library service has at least one copy, so your local library should be able
to get it for you.
Real title is "Rights of Way - a guide to practice and la" second edition by
John Riddall and John Trevelyan. ISBN 0 94657 04 9, or 0 900613 73
4(Rambler's Association)
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:02:25 -0000
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
>??? I presumed you'd be in contact with the local TRF group(s) - if not
I'll
>give you some contact numbers (if Tim or Richard haven't already.).
> Regards
> Charlie.
I am in touch with Phil Lord who is North Manchester.
However, since Geoff Bostock left for pastures new, there has not been any
TRF (or any other m/c organisation) representatives in South Manchester.
If anyone knows different then please let me know so I can contact them.
The comment was made purely in case anyone was thinking that I had
overlooked m/c use of Stockport lanes - I hadn't and, as there was no m/c
rep I spoke on behalf of them as I always do when the need arises.
Tim's comments on 4x4 users assisting m/c users and vice versa are quite
correct and, in my experience, they generally work well.
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:25:25 -0000
Subject: Addresses
The announcement from Michael Meacher (Monday) on access to open
countryside
may be found at:
http://www.coi.gov.uk/coi/depts/GTE/GTE.html
The Countryside Commission has also made a press release at:
http://www.countryside.gov.uk.
Phil Turner Consultant Planner Winchester
Royal Town Planning Institute
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:23:37 -0000
Subject: Re: RoW 21C Recommendations extracts
<<Driving down to Paddock everyday to feed Neddy.
And to fence, and muck out and ....
And to pop into town to arrange insurance
And go to suppliers for feed
And the Blacksmith
And the Vets
And this goes on every day/month regardless of whether beast / conditions
are good enough to ride!
Thats before you get near a horsebox. There's a few miles travelled by
vehicle for every mile in the saddle. Not that this is wrong, just another
part of a perfectly legitimate leisure persuit, but something some pundits
don't take into acount when they say "How wonderfully 'green' it is to ride
a horse!">>
A trail bike has to be more environmentally friendly, with lower ground
pressure, etc. And after a ride you can dump it at the back of the garage
and leap straight into a hot bath, leaving the cleaning of the mount until
another day. You know it makes sense.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:40:18 -0500
Subject: Any Questions?
> by default any defined rights, or are they just another source of
confusion
> laid about to trip up the unwitting?
> Will the panel please discuss.
I am surprised at you!, shurely shome mishtook, they are UUCRs! Depends if
you ask an anti HA if they have VRts or not, most people will say they,
along with most tarred roads that you drive down, do.
What all this about a panel? And who discusses anyway. We just argue. ;-)
cj
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:40:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Tractor Damage to Lanes
> Where can I get hold of a copy of the Blue Book? And are there any other
> standard texts that I should be reading?
your best bet is the Library, they can order from other libraries.
Unfortunately you are not allowed to photocopy, even for personal use, but
you didn't want the book from such a biassed organisation did you?
They will re-issue it one day I guess, but it does need an update and
added chapters for higher rights users, written by those users.
Chris
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