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From: Susan Jeggo <derek.sue@virgin.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:20:28 +0000
Subject: Re: HA80 s56
Bod wrote:
> >horse to its knees? If not the way is not founderous and you are likely to
> >fail at court.
> Yes I do believe it would bring a horse to its knees. The mud is thick
> and at least two feet deep over a large area. I am not a horse rider -
> could someone with more experience of horses tell me if two feet of mud is
> safe for a horse to travel through.
>From your description, no. A heavy horse (Shire type) might get through. Most
average riders would not attempt it. If a horse gets stuck and has to struggle
through there is risk of injury A) striking in to the fore legs with the back
legs, self inflicted injury caused by the shoe on the hind leg and B)
tendon/muscle damage caused by force exerted in having to pull its leg(s) out.
If you walked through it would your wellies get stuck? 2 feet of mud is going to
be up to most horses knees. Is there a local horse rider who could look at it
with you?
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:18:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Hereford response
Mark
Deal with it as you will, but I would be most concerned if I did not
receive a constructive reply to a request for information and would
probably press for a response from the next rung up the ladder - probably
along the lines of 'to what purpose are the staff responding in such
evasive fashion if not to protect a law breaker and cover up the
inadequacies of your RoW enforcement'
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:37:21 -0000
Subject: Re: Independent Response
<< or am I about to get arrested for measuring the underside of
Suzuki's in Sainsbury's car park?>>
Let me know where you are incarcerated.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:05:51 EST
Subject: Re: Independent Response
In a message dated 17.3.99 19:20:43 GMT Standard Time,
blatchwood@btinternet.com writes:
<< am I about to get arrested for measuring the underside of
Suzuki's in Sainsbury's car park?
>>
The simple way is to make a heap of fresh mortar beneath the vehicle, and wait
until the owner drives away. This will leave an impression, which should only
take a few hours to set. Take a good book to read while you stand guard over
the setting cement. And dont forget to put down a plastic sheet first ...
Tim
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 13:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Dere Street
Apologies, that should have been mail....
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:41:25 EST
Subject: Re: Next Step --- Oldham UCRs
Your letter saying
Come on chaps I am trying to be nice
but I know how to be nasty if you force me,
is excellent. In my view.
Cheers, tim
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:41:26 EST
Subject: Re: HA80 s56
In a message dated 18.3.99 06:51:35 GMT Standard Time,
bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk writes:
<< I think I will write to the Chief Exec and explain the circumstances and
ask
him to confirm that Mrs Stone is authorised to sign s56 responses. >>
Ask him to send you a copy of the minute in which this was formally agreed by
committee.
Cheers, tim
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From: Scott <scotbot@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:55:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Independent Response - Suzuki profile
> In the meantime, does anyone already have a copy of the profiles of
various
> vehicles, or am I about to get arrested for measuring the underside of
> Suzuki's in Sainsbury's car park?
I'll post the profile of my Suzuki (SJ) to the list this weekend
Scott.
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From: BurgDM@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:42:44 EST
Subject: Insurance for NGLD
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From: Susan Jeggo <derek.sue@virgin.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:11:51 +0000
Subject: Ownership
I've just asked Cambs CC if they have any info on ownership of a route I
want to claim, as its not registered at LReg. They say they cannot
divulge details they may or may not have because of the Data Protection
Act. Is this correct?
Thanks
Sue
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:30:35 -0500
Subject: Re: HA80 s56
> Following the second PI the inspector confirms the order but with
> modifications. It is the modifications that are now being objected to
> because they involve a section of highway that was not mentioned in the
> original notices or included in the original order. If the
modifications
> are made to the order then a section of through footpath will become a
dead
> end with nothing at the end of it. It is also over another LOs
property.
Co-operation with OSS and tramplers seems prudent to support not oppose or
duplicate work, and also present a unified response if possible.
> I note your comments about the signatory being authorised by committee.
> I think I will write to the Chief Exec and explain the circumstances and
ask
> him to confirm that Mrs Stone is authorised to sign s56 responses.
> I think I will write to the Chief Exec and explain the circumstances and
It's when you get about 4 different signatories to a s56 within a year,
when you know that the autorised signatory has to be formally approved by
committee, and there is only likely to be one, that you start to suspect
they do not know all that much about the procedure. (ie Hereford)
Chris
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:30:34 -0500
Subject: Re: HA80 s56
> tendon/muscle damage caused by force exerted in having to pull its leg(s)
out.
> If you walked through it would your wellies get stuck? 2 feet of mud is
going to
> be up to most horses knees. Is there a local horse rider who could look
at it
> with you?
Thank you for that, Sue. Depending on nature of surface, thin mud over a
firm base with adequate room for walkers at the side may not be OOR, but
clay which sucks your boots off your feet or risks a horse getting stuck,
even throwing a rider OR if there was no convenient way to walk arround the
mud would be OOR.
Clive Westwood at Neath RoW showed slides at Cardiff recently of OOR and
non OOR. He may be able to advise given photos and a description what his
opinion is?
Chris
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:46 EST
Subject: Re: HA80 s56
Although the only definition of founderous I have quoted is about horses, it
is clearly possible for a footpath to be foundrous. In any case, the term
foundrous is not in the law, it merely needs to be 'out of repair'. I suggest
that substantially inonvenient for any of the range of ordinary users entitled
to use it. Mud that will pull your wellies off cannot possibly be 'in repair -
how about grannies & toddlers f''revans sake.
Tim
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:43 EST
Subject: Re: Ownership
In a message dated 18.3.99 18:12:46 GMT Standard Time, derek.sue@virgin.net
writes:
<< They say they [Cambs CC] cannot divulge details [of land ownership] they
may or may not have because of the Data Protection Act. Is this correct? >>
It all depends, I think, on what the registered purpose of the database is. If
info is stored on your computer for say, council tax purposes, and this is
properly registered with the DPA, and people let you have their details for
that purpose, you can't let info out for any other purpose. But if the council
are so cock-eyed that they cannot let the public know how to record RoW, at
public expense mind you, you might ask the monitoring officer if this money
was well spent. As it might cost the council more - much more - if for lack of
the information you go ahead with a claim and this leads to a public inquiry
which turns out to be useless, if only you had known...
Cheers, tim
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:19:31 -0000
Subject: List of HAs (was: Re: Copies of letter are sent to this list (was: Re:
Fax to HCC - Countryfile))
>We could also do with a list of HAs with either e-mail address or fax
>number. I know that I for one will be quicker to type a letter if it will
go
>by fax than remembering to post it, and if it's by e-mail, it normally gets
>done almost immediately.
.....
>Is there a website with these contacts?
There is one on the old national GLASS site - it needs updating.
I will try and put something together today.
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Bod" <bod@bod1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:12:41 -0000
Subject: Re: Adopted and Unadopted Streets
>Have you seen the handover maps?
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!
This is Greater Manchester we are talking about.
No records like Handover Maps exist thanks to much local government
reorganisation.
I heard a rumour that many of the highway records were deliberately burnt by
a disgruntled member of the former Greater Manchester County Council when
everything went to MBCs.
It certainly happened with much of the NWW land in the northern area of GM.
>Is it on there and at what status?? What
>other documentary evidence is available?
I have no idea yet - I have just found it on the map as a 'white' and Def BW
the wrote and asked if it was on the LoS - they said yes so I said get your
gates off then as they are stopping me driving it; so they write back and
say - yes it is on the LoS but only a bit of it is adopted. That's as
far as we've got. Documentary evidence has not come into it yet.
The big problem with documentary evidence is that it is in the local PRO.
Only problem the 'local' PRO is not local.
Either Chester or Preston - both a long way to walk :-(
>Are the gates shown in the Def
>Statement?
I doubt it - I have yet to find anything listed under 'Limitations of Use'
on any statement anywhere in GM but I have not yet checked.
Cheers,
Bod
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:33 -0000
Subject: RE: All reved up with no place to go
Thanks for the note, I'll put your number on file for future reference.
Our 'new' site looks a lot safer than the 'preferred' one.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:29 -0000
Subject: RE: Hereford Horse Exhaust
I was thinking of being less subtle - I have the words for an s56 in mind.
Not sure who wrote the s56 that I'll use as the prototype, but it did elicit
two replies didn't it?
Since they don't 'want' to talk to me, member of the public, I will shout at
them, and they will have to reply...
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:33 -0000
Subject: RE: Planings : was Oareborough Hill
Well they sure aren't that far apart in geographical terms, but in
'motivational' terms they sound several light years away..
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:30 -0000
Subject: RE: Copies of letter are sent to this list (was: Re: Fax to HCC -
Countryfile)
Staffordshire gives a list of contact names and addresses for various
functionaries and departments on their web site, I'm sure Mark Smith will
tell you what the URL is.
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:34 -0000
Subject: RE: Independent Response
Joust a minute.
You are going to trust Mick with a red and white pole, whist not wearing a
Yellow hard hat yourself?
Could be a useful ploy, and a defensive weapon all at once.
I'll have a go at getting the profile of the both ends of my 110. The rear
end is a bit lower than the front, something to do with the size of the
Salisbury rear axle...
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:35:07 -0000
Subject: Re: Stipendiary (was: Re: Further information on HA80 s56)
Stipendiary Mag = A full time salaried Mag who usually sits alone, not
because they are ugly or smell ... They are qualified lawyers with at
least 7 years experience. SMs have the power of two Mags and are appointed
by the Lord Chancellor.
Sounds like the rules for a computer game.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:25:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Oareborough Hill
<<So I calls on them. Now we were opposing each other at the
PI last year, but we still went back and had coffee with them afterwards!
(Brintons, make some sort of carpets!) and we have a jolly good afternoon
there discussing how their lane was supposed to have been sold to them, but
vendors did not have title, and so they do not know who owns it. Can we
help. >>
Of course you can help. XX quid per hour = expensises. Much cheaper than
moving out and selling a property to which there is no vehicular access.
The removal costs??? Pack horses up the lane to the waiting Pickford
Panteknican.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:53:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Ownership
I cannot remember for sure, but what ever the rules there is nothing to
stop the authority contacting the landowner to see if they can pass on the
information in the interest of amicably resolving the question of rights
over that parcel of land.
Or, tell the authority that in the absence of the info notice will be
posted on site.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: BurgDM@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:22:46 EST
Subject: Insurance for NGLD
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