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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 12:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Green Lane Day
Hi
I did get your request re: BWs for NGLD, I had a nice one in mind up near
Barton Stacey (impossible in a 110, difficult in a RR without panel
tweaking) but HCC seem to want to go into battle with the LO (which is
nice) and asked me to back off (which is not nice).
John Davison of HCC ( 01962-846014) undertook to find us an alternative, I
will get back to yuo as soon as I have further.
73s and 88s
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:46:22 EST
Subject: Re: Documents received
To join LARA as Individual Member, simply send me your details, and a cheque
for 16 quid. Details should include phone, fax, e-mail, etc, as well as any
club membership, sporting interests, etc.
LARA
PO Box 20
Market Drayton
TF9 1WR
Cheers, tim
PS for amusement - this comes from the TRF Press Officer, Mark Holland -
One of the results of signing roads as bridleways is perceived conflict.
Only the other day I was riding such a route and I suffered a debilitating
attack of Ramblers Face.
I am sure this needs no further explanation. Now we know it is a pathological
condition (geddit? PATHological...) perhaps we can find a cure.
Tim
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:46:29 EST
Subject: Trespass or not?
In a message dated 19.3.99 12:07:21 GMT Standard Time, Byway@compuserve.com
writes:
<< I asked there are tracks going into adjacent fields? Yes the 4wd have
driven off the tracks to get round where the track is impassable. There
has been a lot of trespass. >>
This is not trespass. There is a legal entitlement to deviate around a
foundrous road. Trespass is only where you have no right to be there.
Just another usage to add to our list of aggressive terminology. (with Off-
Road, Rat Run, Open to All Traffic, etc)
Cheers, tim
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From: "Harvey Davies" <gam85@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:38:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Green Lane Day
Which route in Barton Stacey were you interested in? Have spent most of
this winter walking ROW in and around South Wonston and Barton Stacey and am
more than a bit fed up with the condition of some and would have thought
that HCC would have been only too willing to see some repair / clearance
work undertaken - knowing both the landowners and the area I cant see any
excuse for trying to discourage you and no evidence of any action against
landowner/owners.
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From: Scott <scotbot@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 05:53:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Reasons to deny BOATs
I think they believe(probably correctly,)that if the BOATs are well
advertised, then they will get higher usage.
However they are roads open to everyone, and the increased usage will
probably be negligable as usual. I don't think they are likely to get
descended on by convoys of 4x4s just because they are now shown on the
map.
Perhaps they see obstructions as a way to stop 'high levels' of
traffic thundering down the BOAT, as will of course happen as soon as
the 4x4 users see it on the map.
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:07:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Babtie / Oareborough Hill
Chris
The address was "Truncated". Could you send again and I will write
concerning past treatment I have received from RB.
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: TimLARA@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:24:50 EST
Subject: Re: Babtie / Oareborough Hill
In a message dated 21.3.99 12:42:04 GMT Standard Time, Dave@hants-
lanes.demon.co.uk writes:
<< Remember that RB actively campaigns for glimmer!! >>
Evidence, please
Tim
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:06:11 -0000
Subject: RE: Babtie
One wanders if it would be worth pointing out to their paymasters - aka the
councils to whom they are contracted - the amount of money being wasted as
the direct result of certain activities. Recent events would suggest:
Imposition of un-needed TROs
A 'VR' scheme that lacks the support of the user group with whom it is meant
to voluntary - Babtie will charge the councils for whom they 'work' to put
in their VRs
Over maintenance - the proposal to dig out many tonnes of clay, put in a
membrane and the rest of the it at Oarborough Hill.
I'm sure that others can add to the list, but it all adds up to money wasted
by a contractor allegedly behalf of the Council Tax payers to whom the
Councillors answer every now and then..
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: "Dave Tilbury" <Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:50:33 -0000
Subject: Re: Green Lane Day
<<but HCC seem to want to go into battle with the LO >>
Do share MD, where? GRs? The only prob I know of is the narrowing of a
lane by a fence paid for by HCC!!
Dave Tilbury
Dave@hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
http://www.hants-lanes.demon.co.uk
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From: geoff@cix.co.uk (Geoff Campbell)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: RE: Tractor Damage to Lanes
> Real title is "Rights of Way - a guide to practice and la" second
> edition by
> John Riddall and John Trevelyan. ISBN 0 94657 04 9, or 0 900613 73
> 4(Rambler's Association)
Thanks, Rob.
Regards,
Geoff
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:08:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Babtie / Oareborough Hill
> Somme29a, with map in the middle, shows tracks that look like a
> military style or 101 staright tread rather than tractor, but impossible to
> be sure. Did you take them, or see them, and were they tractor? Can it be
> what babtie are claiming?
I took them, I saw them and yes they are angled tractor marks. The question
remains if the tractors were pulling out stranded 4x4s what why have they
climbed the bank at the sides of the road? (Somme 18A & 17A).
Regards,
Howard
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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:09:05 +0000
Subject: Re: Trespass or not?
> << I asked there are tracks going into adjacent fields? Yes the 4wd have
> driven off the tracks to get round where the track is impassable. There
> has been a lot of trespass. >>
> This is not trespass. There is a legal entitlement to deviate around a
> foundrous road. Trespass is only where you have no right to be there.
You're right it's not trespass it is a miracle. These 4wd have managed to
pass through a dense wood without leaving any trace at all!
Regards,
Howard
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:20:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Babtie / Oareborough Hill
> Chris
> The address was "Truncated". Could you send again and I will write
> concerning past treatment I have received from RB.
> Dave Tilbury
Was this the one?
7 March 1999
Mr C Marsden c/o Babtie Group Ltd
Orleton Manor School Green
Nr Ludlow Shinfield, Reading,
SY8 4HR Berkshire
RG2 9HL
Our Ref: P/014001/13/24/25/NC
Your Ref:
Please ask for: Nick Clark
Direct Line: 01189881 596
Tel: 01189881555
Fax: 01189881666
Dear Mr Marsden
WEST BERKSHIRE COUNCIL
PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY
CHIEVELEY RUPPs 13 AND 18
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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:20:21 -0500
Subject: RE: Babtie
> I'm sure that others can add to the list, but it all adds up to money
wasted
> by a contractor allegedly behalf of the Council Tax payers to whom the
> Councillors answer every now and then..
There appears a certain bias against a legitimate class of user. I wonder
if you are right, Rob, that they charge WB to apply free VR? Quite
possibly. There will no doubt be many (perhaps some in fear of their jobs)
at WBDC that are anti 4w user, but most other HAs also have those honest
souls that want to see RoW used properly and fully. Are there any such
people left in WBDC that take an interest in RoW, or is it a carve up from
the higher execs that place the contracts directly influenced by the
wealthy Nimbys and County Councillors.?
Is Madam still still a councillor?
(everyone's "Mother in Law", anagram: "Woman Hitler")
cj
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