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From: JAMES O-SHEA <SAC3JNO@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date:  Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:22:31 GMT
Subject:  Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye

If you wait for the DVLC to send you a rebate on your Land Rover then 
I'm afraid you'll be waiting for a very long time. The problem is 
that the computer that ear-marks those cars requiring a rebate 
ignores Landies due to the uncertainty of the fully laden weight. I 
had this problem and corrected it by sending the vehicle registration 
document along with a covering note explaining that I hadn't recieved 
my rebate and exemption certificate (and added that the fully laden 
weight was nowhere close to the 3000kg limit as I used it only for 
personal transport!) to the REBATE TEAM at the DVLC. This process 
took approximately 4 weeks and the rebate cheque despite arriving a 
week later than the rest of the paperwork is now in my pocket waiting 
to be cashed (backdated to the day after the budget BTW).

Hope this helps.
 

James O'shea
SAC3JNO@Cardiff.ac.uk

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:54:19 EST
From: steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com
Subject: missing theremostats

  
From: Steve Reddock
Subject: missing theremostats
Oh dear, what have I started?
  
Rate of cooling is proportional to difference in temperature.
  
I did not mean to imply that there was turbulence which stopped the
water touching the sides of the rad (was that the point I wasn't sure?).
  
The practical results of what I said have been shown by fitting
thermostats to cars without them. Also I am quite involved in racing and
rallying. You can buy blanking thermostats for most cars which are
always open but place a small flow restriction in the way.
  
I was discussing this with Mark Allard a while ago and he agreed with me
(in fact he said what I was going to say before I put the idea in his
head). Mark is a LR racer of some repute.
  
Now the theory:
  
Assume the engine is hot, and for sake of argument the water will boil
at a temperature of 110 deg C, as the pressure cap will withstand the
partial pressure of the vapour below this temp. There is no thermostat
at present.
  
Water enters the rad at 100 deg. It is cooled to 95 deg on its rapid
path through the rad. This is determined by the external temp, say 15
deg, and air flow, lots we are doing 70 MPH (it's a petrol engine!!!).
Water then enters the block and is heated by the block. The cylinder
temperatures are very high, hundreds of degrees at a guess. This will
heat the water very rapidly - the heat difference is large.
  
This bit of water will leave the engine at 102 deg. it will be cooled as
before to say 96 deg. It will be heated by the engine to 103, then
cooled to 97, etc. Before long it will boil.
  
The obvious flaw in this is that the water will not be in the block for
long enough to heat up. In reality the temperature difference is so
large that it always heats at a higher rate than the rad can cool. This
is why rads have a huge surface area compared to water jackets on
blocks.
  
What I am getting at is the block can heat the water at a very high
rate, where as the rad needs longer to cool it as the temp diff is less.
  
There was an article in the magazine of Midland Off Road club showing
how to put blanking plates in the header & footer voids of the rad
to force the water through a longer path than it would otherwise
take.  Just what you need to do if the stat is missing! Or have other
cooling probs, such as regularly will the rad with mud.
  
Does this convince the sceptics?  Or has it just sent them to
sleep?
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:32:53 EST
From: steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com
Subject: Re: Missing Thermostats

  
*** Resending note of 22/02/96 09:23
From: Steve Reddock
Subject: Re: Missing Thermostats
|With my 2.5 diesel I can put my hand on the block when it's 'fullly
|warm' most of the year........
  
Gadzooks!!! Adny's had an engine transplant - he used to have a
DEISEL!
  
Sorry, it's nearly lunch time, my blood sugar level must be dropping
or something.
  
Normal service will be resumed after feeding time.
  
Cheers, Steve
  

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From: "E D O'BRIEN" <bt5179@qmw.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:38:23 GMT0BST
Subject: expedition equipment

Thanks for all the help on the relay front, I'll get on with that job 
as soon as I have time.

On a slightly different note I am thinking/planning to take my SIIA 
abroad firstly this summer down through France and Spain and accross 
into Morroco. And then hopefully next summer I want to ship it down 
to Kenya then drive it down to Cape Town in South Africa. My question 
is is has anyone done anything like this before (in a series Land-
Rover), and what sort of equipment should I think about taking 
(bearing in mind that I really want to keep the price down as far as 
possible) any and all modifications I will carry out myself, so far 
all I've done is to install halogen headlights and free wheel hubs.

The other bits of kit I'm thinking about are an over drive unit and 
possibly a winck of some type and maybe a set of larger and more 
aggressive tyres (I'm currently on a set of Avon something or others 
which I think describe themselves as 6x16s or something)

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Ed.O'Brien (1963 SIIA SWB) (no relation to that terrorist with the 
same name that got blown up the other day!)

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From: Andrew Chambers <c2ac@dmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Help with Placement
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:34:55 GMT

Does anyone know the person's name at Land Rover to caontact about work
placement? A cool way to spend time for your sandwhich, me thinks!
--

Eric Spriggs, DMU Computer Science Coarse Administrator, Deceased

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:25:09 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye

JAMES O-SHEA wrote:
>
> I hadn't recieved my rebate and exemption certificate

Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that
can be displayed on the windscreen?

If not, I wonder what will happen under the new proposals to clamp cars
not "displaying a current" tax disk? How can a clamper know when a
vehicle is exempt?

Our own Council run car parks have a rule that if you are not displaying
a valid disk, then they will slap a =A320.00 fine on the vehicle. This, o=
f
course, is gross profiteering, and they may as well fine us for having a
dirty car, or one that is painted in a tasteless colour, since Car Tax
is nothing  to do with the Local Council.

--
David Olley
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Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:02:33 +0000
From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Problems

>I have just fitted a temp. gauge to my S11 complete with voltage reg.  While the heater
>seems reasonably good the gauge barely makes it above the C portion of the gauge.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>thrusting, over powered 2.25 diesel engines fitted, with the mechanical fans still in
>place.

Sounds to me like your gauge is reading about right. In this weather even my
V8 with no mechanical fan barely makes it above the cold region unless I am sat
in traffic. I checked mine using a digital thermocouple !!!
Having the heater on full (a necessity in most Land Rovers) will also help keep
the engine cool. Your friends gauge sounds to be very optimistic unless the
radiator has been replaced with a piece of wet string. If his engine were
genuinely working at that temperature then his heater would work and everyone
knows that that would go against the laws of Land Rover physics...:-)

>Also would the 750x16R tyres make any difference to the turning circle?  I have them fitted on LWB rims that are offset towards the inside allowing the swivels to rotate to their
>limits.  Stuart's S111 (on 205x16R's) seems to be able to turn on a fivepence, well
>in comparison anyway!!!

The larger tyres will not effect the turning circle by much - although they may
touch the inner wing/chassis at extremes. The limiting factors on turning
circle tend to be:

1) The steering stop bolts on the swivel housing - adjust (or remove them
completely for trials use).
2) The steering box - this limits the number of turns of the wheel that you
have (can be modified for trials use if desired but NOT recommended for road
use as it will weaken the box and is often unnecessary).

Also check that you are getting the full movement available - I have seen cases
where poor turning circle has been caused by track rod pinch clamp bolts fouling
on a leaf spring.
Finally check that when your steering wheel is in the centre of its travel the
wheels are pointing straight ahead - you would be amazed how many motors will
turn on a sixpence in one direction but not in the other - that's why the rod
that goes from the steering relay to the left wheel is adjustable.

----------------------------------------------------
Dave White.
'72 SWB SIII V8 Auto R/R Chassis and running gear.
'89 Range Rover
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club UK

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:18:47 +0000
From: canford@dial.pipex.com (Peter Barton)
Subject: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye

>JAMES O-SHEA wrote:
>>    I hadn't recieved my rebate and exemption certificate

>David Olley  wrote:
>Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that
>can be displayed on the windscreen?

Yes sort of, you get a STANDARD TAX DISC back from Swansea, with TAX EXEMPT
stamped on it where the fee would normally be printed. I got mine in
Dec.just after the budget, as a first time registered keeper of this
vehicle. (SIIa 1968)

Regards,
.........................................................................
          Peter Barton            e-mail:  canford@dial.pipex.com
          Computer Dept.          Phone :  +44 (0) 1202 841254
          Canford School
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:11:57 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye]

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:15:21 GMT
From: ketteridgep@glub.demon.co.uk (Pierre Antony Ketteridge)
Subject: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye
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In message <312CA6F5.5094@tcp.co.uk> David Olley at New Concept writes:
> JAMES O-SHEA wrote:
> > I hadn't recieved my rebate and exemption certificate 
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> Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that 
> can be displayed on the windscreen?

David,

Can you forward this onto James and the UK list etc - I'm not absolutely sure
where it all resides now... cheers, mate...

I went through all this exemption palaver a couple of months ago with Allah,
my Series One. Lots of hints on the list, but no-one was absolutely sure. So
I found out the hard way.

Post Office didn't have a clue, told me to contact the DVLA. Rang the DVLA, and
they told me to go to the Post Office. "Bin there," I said. "Go to a proper Post
Office", they suggested. "But I did, it's where I went for the tax on my *other
vehicle*..."

Back to the Post Office... "Can't help there, mate, your log book's wrong"
"What? It's always been like this..."
"It says 'PLG' for Class... you want '25 year duty exempt'..."

So there you go... send your log book to the DVLA to be changed from "Private
and Light Goods" to "25 Year Duty Exempt", then they'll give you, free, a tax
disk saying "25 year exempt" or some such. You'll need all the usual proof, 
MOT, Insurance etc. In future years the Post Office will be able to renew it 
for you as per normal, but the initial application must be to the DVLA. There 
is no certificate as such, just the tax disk, which must be displayed like any 
other.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

-- 
Pierre
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:15:23 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye

In your message dated Thursday 22, February 1996 you wrote :

> Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that
> can be displayed on the windscreen?

Yes, it's a"normal" tax disc, except where it normally says "PLG" for the class 
of vehicle, it says "25 Year Exempt". The V10 appplication form asks if you want 
the licence to run for 6 or 12 months..I would suggest 12!

Gerald
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| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk    |
| My own opinions, not those of my employer!    |
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:01:49 +0000
From: Andrew Witham <andrew@rescue.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Road Tax for vehicles 25 ye

In message <312CA6F5.5094@tcp.co.uk>, David Olley at New Concept
<newconcept@tcp.co.uk> writes
>Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Does the DVLA supply an exemption certificate in the form of a disk that 
>can be displayed on the windscreen?
You still have to get a tax disc, by producing a valid MOT certificate
and insurance - it is just that the fee paid is showed on it as NIL

It remains an offence not to DISPLAY the tax disc, even if it is not
chargeable.

-- 
Andrew                                          andrew@rescue.demon.co.uk

"Most of us are broad minded enough to admit there are two sides to every 
question -  our own side, and the side that no intelligent, informed, sane and 
self respecting person could possibly hold"

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:40:11 -0500
Subject: Instrument panel, D90

If anyone has some advice on this I would appreciate it: 
The task-
I need to get at the instruments, to move the fuel gauge elsewhere and put a 
rev counter in its place. Following any of the manuals seems fine, just 
disconnect all of the wiring and speedo cable. I did this a few times with my 
Niva when replacing speedo cables and had plenty of space, at least enough for 
a few fingers, to both detach and repace the cable. Pulling out the D90 panel 
gives barely enough room to look behind it, let alone reach in and start 
disconnecting things. They could never be reconnected if the panel had to be 
that same position.
The panel does open up about 2 inches on the right, but the speedo cable 
prevents any movement on the left. The inference from manuals is that as one 
disconnects stuff from the right, the rest becomes progressively more 
accessable. I don't want to put this to the test and find that I am wrong.

The problem - disconnecting is much easier than reconnecting. Any advice on 
dealing with the instruments would be very welcome.

In return- I saw a Camel Trophy 110 Defender in front of my hotel in Belize 
City 2 weeks ago! The Discoverys look great in the Trophy articles, and I know 
that are very capable, but elsewhere, to me, they look like city vehicles that 
need a wash. The kitted out  Camel Defender that I saw was a donation to a 
local organisation and really looked like something that LR should use as 
promotion. Every LR I saw was a showpiece of serious use, with few straight 
panels, winches with mud on them, tyres selected for the Central American red 
mud, red mud as high as the roof, it is Land Rover heaven!
Allan Smith
300Tdi 90  el Galeon
St. Lucia

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