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From: CJ BETTON N9203387 <n9203387@hud.ac.uk>
Subject: Speedo drive.
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 12:02:00 gmt

Hello all,

Thanks to everyone one their advice about my suspected dead UJ. It was the 
UJ (no bearings in one of the cups). I opted for a new propshaft, and 
decided that whilst I had the propshaft off I'd see if the output shaft nut 
on the gearbox needed tightening, as the speedo bounced a little. On 
removing the propshaft I found the nut to be finger tight and the split pin 
sheared. So I got out the torque wrench, torqued it up to 85 lb/ft, put my 
new propshaft on and drove away.

The problem now is that the speeedo reading bounces more than before. Have I 
missed out doing something? I'll be stripping it all back down again 
sometime soon, as the handbrake seal had also gone, so any advice welcome.

Cheers,
Chris.

1961 SIIa swb,
Tax exempt (If the DVLC ever returns my V5),
Turner leadfree head,
Overdrive,
New propshaft,
Worn out parts fitted.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 13:09:01 GMT
From: "Allery, Mark" <M.Allery@mars.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: overdrive noises

     
Nobody seems to have replied to Ben yet? Perhaps I just missed it.
     
The exhaust is blowing at the manifold. The front leafs are awfully 
rusty and deformed and will obviously need changing. The bulkhead has 
rot around the forced ventalation flaps and windscreen hinges. 
And there is moss growing in the window runners that prompted me to 
name the LR 'the greenhouse'. ;-)
     
     Yes I know the problem
     
However the chasis apears pretty good, as is most of the bodywork. 
     
     lucky you
     
One question I have is about the Overdrive. When enganged it emits a 
regular banging noise that can be felt through the stick. The 
frequency of the noise increases with speed although the overdrive 
stills seems to work ok.  Any ideas?
     
     Certainly not nominal in my limited experience. It sounds as if you 
     don't get the banging when overdrive is disengaged? In fact the 
     overdrive is never completely disengaged as it's really an extra 
     synchromesh set of gears - perhaps you're looking at the end of life 
     on the overdrive gear, or just possibly the shift is not properly 
     adjusted - it's easy to see if you remove the top plate on the 
     overdrive unit and engage the overdrive gear whether the synchro is 
     fully on? A recent LRO had a good article on overhaul of the 
     overdrive.
     
     cheers,
     
     Mark.
     
Ben.
     

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 13:40:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: "Leaky" Land Rovers

Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> wrote;

	Dave Townsend wrote, about oil loss:

	> I have a similar problem with my 91 Range Rover,
	> and I'd be interested if other people can comment.
		 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
	> to account for such a loss & no leaky spots on the driveway
	 either.

	A few months ago, on one of several futile trips to my dealer (that's 
	another story), I had a chat with an immaculate guy with an immaculate 
	'93 Range Rover. It was clear he'd never given his Rangie a second of 
	abuse or ever dreamed of taking it off-road. But he was seeing about a 
	quart of oil vanish about every 1000 miles. There was no sign of leakage; 
	it just seemed to be disappearing. I suspect this just happens-another 
	English eccentricity.

My '89 RR doesn't leak oil from anywhere. Admittedly, the RAC engineer
who inspected it before I bought it said that it was unusually "oil-time"
and I have had two rear diff pinion seals in 3 years, but no oil loss,
no spots on the driveway.

Regards,

Hugh.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 13:44:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: More on bull bars

Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com> wrote;

	UK evidently had some recent legislation outlawing bull bars that was
	narowly defeated.

Not so. They're *talking* about it, and an MP introduced an 'early day
motion' in the House of Commons, but these things are just a talking
point - they never get to be law.

And the whole issue is bullshit anyway. Bull bars have never provably
killed *anyone* in the UK.

Regards,

Hugh.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 13:48:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest

amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu writes;

    What kind of 
    Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
    fuel consumption in the teens.

We have the same Discos you do. What we do have is larger gallons. About
25% larger than yours ...

Regards,

Hugh.

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From: Ben <B.K.C.Leamy@uel.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:34:00 GMT
Subject: Re: More on bull bars

> 	UK evidently had some recent legislation outlawing bull bars that was
> 	narowly defeated.

Hugh J.E. Davies (hugh.davies@rnb.com) wrote....
> Not so. They're *talking* about it, and an MP introduced an 'early day
> motion' in the House of Commons, but these things are just a talking
> point - they never get to be law.
Not true - they 'rarely' get to be law - but some do.
 
> And the whole issue is bullshit anyway. 
> Bull bars have never provably killed *anyone* in the UK.

I have wondered about this. It certainly sounds like bullshit since 
cars (even with crumple zones) are unlikely to deform much, compared 
to an animal, and thus the animal would surely suffer some injury 
before all the energy of the impact was used up. 

A bull bar - not deforming - would of course cause greater damage to 
the object it hits before the energy of the impact was used and it is 
argued that it is more likely to kill.

It sounds kinda possible, but I have seen no evidence suggested.

ANYWAY
I heard that if/when passed, bull bars would be required  to be 
racked back at a certain angle to remain legal. Now this makes no
sence to me - what is the logic behind this?

Ben.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 10:56:48 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Re: The Coil Sprung (Land-Rover) Owner List Daily Digest

*** Resending note of 08/03/96 15:08
|amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu writes;
|    What kind of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
|Regards,
|Hugh.
  
Brilliant!  This sort of thing really brightens the whole day :-)
  
It's bad enough having litres & gallons, but when some idiot invents
two different measures with the same name, it is only going to cause
confusion and much amusement!
  
The whole office is rolling round the floor at this one!
  
Cheers, Steve
  

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:32:28 +0000
Subject:       Re: More on bull bars

Quoting Ben, from  8 Mar 96

> > And the whole issue is bullshit anyway. 
> > Bull bars have never provably killed *anyone* in the UK.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> object it hits before the energy of the impact was used and it is argued
> that it is more likely to kill.
Sort of...

On your average Sierra pickup or Escort van, the tubular bars of the
"bull bar" is used to protect the vehicle from damage as Brainless The
Builders Mate drives into things around the building site. The side
effect of this is that when the tubed hit something less rigid than
themselves, they bend the object at the point or impact. As this is 
usually just at the right heigh to shatter someones legs, anyone who is 
hit by a car (or car-like vehicle) ends up with multipule fractures in 
their legs and then gets thumped by the cars body.This extra damage causes 
excessive shock to the system (read: extra loss of blood) and the victim 
dies.

Now.. With my Series III, the first thing to hit them is the steel bumper 
- bang go the legs. The damage my not be _multiple_ fractures, but thigh 
bones will break if hit hard enough! After hitting the bumper, the body is 
scooped into breakfast area (a nice little recess there) and will probably 
have their skull smashed onto the edge of the bonnet.

In a normal car, the victim has their legs broken and then slide up the 
bonnet and through (or over) the windscreen - with a LandRover, no such 
easy route.

If you fit Aussie style 'roo bars (which lean forwards to push the 
Kangaroos down) you would catch the casuality and run _over_ them rather 
than through them :)

> ANYWAY
> I heard that if/when passed, bull bars would be required  to be 
> racked back at a certain angle to remain legal. Now this makes no
> sence to me - what is the logic behind this?
How would you do that on a series motor (or any defender for that matter?)

just my 2p

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 17:28:19 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Cooling Systems

There was a recent thread on the UK list about water cooling, and 
Thermostats in particular.
I received a Press Release this morning from a UK company which 
distributes an American made product called Water Wetter (from Red Line 
Synthetic Oil Corporation in Martinez, Ca.
The product is added to coolant and apparently improves cooling 
efficiency while giving corrosion protection.
I quote from the release:
"Testing in the USA has shown up another advantage of Water Wetter which 
is of particular interest to Formula 3 teams and those running veru high 
compression ratio and turbo charged engines. 'Kettling' is the 
phenomenon of vapour bubbles forming around a heat source (eg the 
element of an electric kettle) which then act as an insulator to slow 
down the heating process. In the cylinder head these bubbles act to 
insulate the metal parts which are not fully cooled. Water Wetter gets 
rid of local hot spots which can be one of the reasons for the onset of 
detonation."
They then say that by using the product, igition settings can be 
advanced further, because pinking will not be as likely to occur, and 
additional power will be gained.
Sounds good. Has anybody tried it? Does it work as they say?

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:15:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: More on bull bars

On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Mr Ian Stuart wrote:

> Now.. With my Series III, the first thing to hit them is the steel bumper 
> - bang go the legs. The damage my not be _multiple_ fractures, but thigh 
> bones will break if hit hard enough! After hitting the bumper, the body is 
> scooped into breakfast area (a nice little recess there) and will probably 
> have their skull smashed onto the edge of the bonnet.

	Before they hit my breakfast, they have to go through the Koenig
	winch with all or its nasty control arms which would tend to do
	a bit of ripping.  A bull bar would actually make a Series 
	Land Rover safer, or so I would think. 

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:22:46 +0000
From: Andrew Witham <andrew@rescue.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Very sick engine

My 'F' reg 90 TD is very sick.

Noticed a noise from the vicinity of the turbo.  Within a mile or so I
disappeared into a cloud of white smoke.

I'm probably the least technical person on this group - but I am advised
need recon engine and turbo.  Also should do the clutch at the same
time.  Total over 4k.

My local LR repair man says that this is a cr*p engine - hence the
reason he doesn't sell many of them.

Is this the time to be thinking of a different engine.  Is this worth
considering.  Funds are limited (at present to less than the 4k quoted
- hence one problem).

Is used mainly on-road (2 x 20 miles on motorway every day) with long
trips (approx 200 miles each weekend) with off road rescue (vehicle is
adapted and marked as an ambulance).  Very occassional long, high speed
(blue light) runs to incidents with full load of rescue kit.

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.  Start again suggestions
are not practical as 4k outstanding on HP agreement.  Need to get back
on the road quickly.

-- 
Andrew                                          andrew@rescue.demon.co.uk
"Most of us are broad minded enough to admit there are two sides to every 
question -  our own side, and the side that no intelligent, informed, sane and 
self respecting person could possibly hold"

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