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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:51:52 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rovers in the news

A beluga black late model RR made the top of the evening news around here.  
Seems that someone tried to use the drive-thru at a local Burger King and 
ended up literally driving through - the front.  The story line was that 
the driver "lost control" but I'll bet a dollar to a donut that some damned 
attorney will make it into one of those "spontaneous runaway vehicle" cases.
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Looking for a Dormobile

Hi All,

My family and I are planning to tour the UK this summer, starting in
mid-June, and would like to do it in a Land Rover Dormobile or Carawagon. 
Obviously we'll need a vehicle in good working condition since I don't want
to spend my holiday rebuilding various bits, and I'm sure my family feels
even more strongly about this than I do. 

I'm looking for a vehicle built during the 1960's, 1970 or 1971.  I would
prefer a diesel since these are less costly to operate (at least in terms
of fuel) and I don't expect to spend much time on the major motorways. 
I've been told that Carawagons were not supplied as diesel powered Land
Rovers, but there is at least one diesel Carawagon in the United States
that I am aware of, but it may well be a later conversion.  Such a
conversion would be fine, as long as it was done well.  I'm not
concerned about LHD vs RHD since we will eventually be using it on the
Continent as well, and may eventually bring it to the United States for
use here. 

I would appreciate any information on available vehicles from owners or 
from anybody who knows about one that is or might be available.  Thanks 
for any help you can provide.

Rgds,

Walter Swain          
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From: "Paul Hazell" <p.hazell@WORC.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:44:00 +0100
Subject:       Migrating Oil

Hi all,

I have a feeling someone asked this very question a few weeks ago but can't 
recall, sorry for being a bore but....

I seem to be losing oil from the gearbox while the transfer box is gaining - not 
a huge amount, but enough to require checking fairly regularly. I seem to recall 
some talk about blocked breathers? If this is the case, where are they & how can 
they be un-blocked (I'm being lazy, I haven't looked in the manual yet)? Or could 
it be the symptom of something more serious? 

Yours in anticipation....

Paul Hazell (SIII Lt/wt 1972)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Rovers in the news
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 11:47:25 BST

> A beluga black late model RR made the top of the evening news around here.  
> Seems that someone tried to use the drive-thru at a local Burger King and 
> ended up literally driving through - the front.  The story line was that 
> the driver "lost control" but I'll bet a dollar to a donut that some damned 
> attorney will make it into one of those "spontaneous runaway vehicle" cases.

No, he was following the Great British tradition of ram-raiding! Bit upmarket,
with a Range Rover (though one excuse of expensive 4x4 insurance is because
they're good for ram-raiding), and gawd knows why Burger-King...

:-)

(The driver didn't speak with a Geordie accent, did he??)

Richard

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From: CJ BETTON N9203387 <n9203387@hud.ac.uk>
Subject: Nasty noises.
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 10:43:00 bst

Hi all,

Firstly, thanks to everyone for there advice on split charging systems.

On to the next problem. When going on to, or off throttle, there is a loud 
"clunk" type sound. I automatically assumed it was a dead UJ on the rear 
propshaft, but inspection shows the propshaft to be ok. Anyone got any ideas 
as to the cause? It wouldn't be connected with my discovery of 1/2 pint of 
oil in the gearbox, would it :-)

Cheers,
Chris

1961 SIIa Swb Petrol
55% added efficiency.

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:37:21 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Rovers in the news

>A beluga black late model RR made the top of the evening news around here.  
>Seems that someone tried to use the drive-thru at a local Burger King and 
>ended up literally driving through - the front.  The story line was that 
>the driver "lost control" but I'll bet a dollar to a donut that some damned 
>attorney will make it into one of those "spontaneous runaway vehicle" cases.

Is it those joyriding Caribbean ants again, or was the driver from Newcastle?

 Tom
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From: Graeme Booth <Graeme.Booth@src.bae.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:05:31 +0100
Subject: Lettering under the paintwork

Having spent about the last year (!) gradually stripping the paint off
my S3 ltwt (FFR), I've come across some lettering which I'm curious
about, to say the least.

I have what appears to be a large letter 'A' on the RH door - could
this be part of a longer word (such as TARGET !) or is there some
other explanation. Can anyone shed some light on this....

I do intend to trace back its history, but haven't quite got around to
it....any recommendations??

Also, is there any means by which the Log Book can be traced, or can I
buy a new one and start from scratch.

Any help would be appreciated.

Graeme
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(1975 series III Lightweight)

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:50:52 +0000
From: Craig Morgan <C.Morgan@soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: I've done it now ...

Hi all,
	Well after months (nay, years really!) of talking about it I
finally took the plunge and put my money where my mouth was ... I'm now the
proud owner of a roadworthy (apparently!) '62 IIA 88" hardtop with a 2.25
petrol lump.

	I must be mad, but its going to be fun and undoubtedly expensive
over the next few years, what the hell ...

	Anyway, apart from some absolutely amazing wiring (the previous
owner must have had shares in 3M, judging by the number of connectors!),
it's drivable. It has 5 months to run on it's current MOT, but I'm debating
whether to use them up and then rebuild, or take it off the road now and
start the rebuild now. I'm leaning toward a quick fix of some problems and
enjoy the summer before rebuilding ...

	One or two questions :-

	Mine was fitted with a 2.25 diesel until approx. 18 months ago, at
which point the owner swapped in the alternative petrol lump, it runs well,
so I'm hoping it's good (done about 10k miles). My question is regarding
what type of replacement engine was fitted. On a quick scan yesterday, I
could'nt find any engine number (as I have'nt de-gunked it yet, I'm not too
worried), but the head is marked with an ERC5899CA code then a ringed name,
and a large number 5, just above the exhaust ports. Any ideas?

	So far the transmission feels/looks/sounds quite good. It leaks,
like there's a surprise! Anyway, I'll know more when I get it up on the
stands in the next day or two.

	According to the VIN I found mines quite an early IIA (24100616A),
and my plans basically at this point are a strip and rebuild (the chassis
looks real good so far), re-bush, re-springing (the diesel springs are
wrong and are shot), re-wire (new loom for sure!), steering and brakes need
some work, mainly drift on the steering and poor brakes (maybe I'll go for
SIII servo'd setup).

	I'm sure that the body then needs work, the bulkhead is ex-army I
think, maybe even SIII, and will need patching (not footwells or door
hinges, which seem to be sound!), and a new dash, the current is a horrible
wood thing! My intention being to make it a soft-top with a full length
canvas (I'll freeze ;-), as the HT is a fibreglass affair.

	Anyway, any advice for a mad Welshman, contemplating many long dark
cold nights rebuilding his dreams! BTW, any body want a fibreglass HT, two
fibreglass rear doors, and maybe a nice bullbar (flat Simbar I think), I
might be persuaded to part with them ...

--
Craig

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:33:36 +0100
From: "S.W.Brierley" <S.W.Brierley@dl.ac.uk>
Subject: Rovers in the movies!

Hi all,

You gotta be quick (and extremely sad) to spot them but
there are two Range Rovers to be seen in the movie
Get shorty.
Sorry to bore you, but it has  become somewhat of a 
hobby whilst m,ovie watching(much to the girlfriends
annoyance)
Bye for now and keep Rovering.
Stu & Emma-'76 SWB SerIII V8-Loathe of my life.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Lettering under the paintwork
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 15:57:03 BST

Is the vehicle ex-army or airforce?
Do you know its military registration?

Send or phone the Vehicle Tracing/Archives dept at the Army Vehicle Museum at
Beverley (their number was in one of
the mags last month or the month before - if not, I'll dig it up tonight
[writing this at work]).
You send them a cheque for L10 or so, and they return back with what they
can find - where it was posted,etc. If it was airforce, or they can't find
anything, they'll return the cheque (and tell you the address of the 
equivalent airforce dept.
If you have the reg. number, then this will help a lot, but I think they can
still find some info (but not as much) from things like chassis numbers.

I have the forms, and keep meaning to send them off. I suspect mine is
ex-RAF though. (or the hard-top is! :-)   )

Incidentally, my mil. reg. number is on the "Repair History" plate
(suspiciously blank except for vehicle id numbers).

The letter 'A' could be a manouvers/Unit symbol (like the inverted black "V"
seen on some UN vehicles).

Richard

 
> I have what appears to be a large letter 'A' on the RH door - could
> this be part of a longer word (such as TARGET !) or is there some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
>    |\/\|             |/\/|       
> (1975 series III Lightweight)

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Reposting -Dormobile wanted

My apologies to anybody getting this twice; I received a message from 
the Majordomo listing over 100 undeliverable addresses, the majority of 
the list.  An obvious malfunction, I hope.  I'll try again....

Rgds,

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:29:43 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Re: Gone Quiet (Land Rover Digest)

*** Resending note of 25/04/96 14:16
|Following from reports that its gone all quiet, here's some queries to
|keep you all quiet (SIII LWB FFR 1972/3):
Seems better, but I'll send to you and the list just in case!

|1.) Uneven running. I understand this is a textbook symptom of a bad
|carburettor/one that needs servicing/cleaning. It is more noticeable
<Snip>

Could be lots of things.  A full carb overhaul could help, perhaps it
is just mixture/timing.  Any garage worth it's salt could tell you
during a tune up if the problem was a defective carb.

I don't know about it being worse on low fuel, the pump shouldn't be
affected by the head of pressure.  Perhaps there is water/crap at the
bottom of the tank.  There is a drain plug I think, so run it till
it is quite low, but not enough to suck more crap though then pull
the drain plug. Discard all the stuff which comes out.  As it is a mil.
tank you can see quite well through the top, but water is harder to
see.

The weber carb is an economy mod.  It gives better economy by not letting
the engine have as much fuel as it wants.  I would use a good zenith
and have more power, but if you have a working weber and on a budget
it is not too bad.

|2.) Add a 12V supply + radio/casette (Noise? What noise? OH! JUST PLAY
|IT A *BIT* LOUDER!)

I use a walkman.  It's legal if you only have headphones on one ear.
I prefer to hear the full stereo though.

|3.) Soundproofing. There seem to be a whole range of soundproofing kits
|on sale in the UK. Does anyone have any experiences they wish to share?
|I was thinking of getting one of the vinyl ones (about L100) - water &
|oil proofing sounds like a good idea, me thinks.

It's this or ear plugs!  Vinyl is the way to go.  LROI (magazine) went
mad about this stuff a year or so ago.  I am a cynic and think they
were paid to.  It is good though.

|4.) Free-wheel hubs (possibly)
More speed!!!!!!

|5.) Fuel (tanks). I have the twin- 10gallon mil jobs, but my left-hand
|tank leaks, so I'm limited to 1 10 gallon tank on a lwb beastie!!
<SNIP>

Fit a LWB in the rear, no need for guage as long as you use it before
the underseat one with a guage.  On long trips you usually know
how much you have and you only worry when you are nearly empty.
Long term solution would require a guage though, perhaps when you add
civvie fillers.

Have fun, Steve

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Date: 29 Apr 96 15:11:57 EDT
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Nasty noises

Hi Chris

>On to the next problem. When going on to, or off throttle, there is a loud 
>"clunk" type sound. I automatically assumed it was a dead UJ on the rear 
>propshaft, but inspection shows the propshaft to be ok. Anyone got any ideas 
>as to the cause? It wouldn't be connected with my discovery of 1/2 pint of 
>oil in the gearbox, would it :-)

Half a pint of oil - spoiling it old boy. The transfer box is more likely to be
the culprit though. How's the oil in that?

Running low on oil is more likely to lead to rumbles and bearing complaints
followed by clunks.  If your box sounds basically OK, apart from the clunk  this
shouldn't have caused too muck of a problem.

A couple of things spring to mind - there are probably hundreds of ways in which
a Land Rover can 'clunk', but my favourites would be:

1) Excessive end float in the intermediate gear assy in the transfer box.  If
there is too much end float on this shaft, as the gears take up drive they move
along each other and 'clunk'. Not as horrible job to do as you might imagine.

2) Excessive end float on the diff pinion.  If your diffs are the same - they
should be both Rover units - you can swap the diffs over to confirm this - as
long as they aren't as bad as each other.

3) Propshaft splines- unlikely to make large clunks though.

4) Knackered engine or gearbox mount allowing something to rock and contact
metal to metal.

Hope this helps.  

Regards

Richard

Surrey, UK

77 Range Rover

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From: "Paul Hazell" <p.hazell@WORC.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:44:06 +0100
Subject:       Migrating Oil

Hi all,

I have a feeling someone asked this very question a few weeks ago but can't 
recall, sorry for being a bore but....

I seem to be losing oil from the gearbox while the transfer box is gaining - not 
a huge amount, but enough to require checking fairly regularly. I seem to recall 
some talk about blocked breathers? If this is the case, where are they & how can 
they be un-blocked (I'm being lazy, I haven't looked in the manual yet)? Or could 
it be the symptom of something more serious? 

Yours in anticipation....

Paul Hazell (SIII Lt/wt 1972)

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:40:43 +0100
From: Nick Walker <Nick@corsbold.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Nasty noises.

In message <3184A81D@hermes.hud.ac.uk>, CJ BETTON N9203387
<n9203387@hud.ac.uk> writes
>On to the next problem. When going on to, or off throttle, there is a loud 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>Cheers,
>Chris
Hope I've got this right - new to this internet/e-mail stuff.  If not -
apologies to all concerned.

In reply to Chris, I had similar sounds from a SIII i had in the past
and it turned out to be a shot rear diff. To check jack up one side
rear, put in 2WD gear and turn wheel.  See how far you can turn yhe
wheel to show free play, if you are lucky you may hear the clunk as
well.

On  a new note anybody in the North East Scotland wants to get in touch
to play or just talk Lode Lane products please do so. I have '53 SI (on
road), '61 SIIA (undergoing repairs), 2 x SIII (being broken - any body
need bits? very cheap!!), '89 RR EFI (daily use) plus most P series of
Rover saloons in various stages of rebuild. They call me "The Roverman"
locally for some strange reason.....
-- 
Nick Walker
Remember - He who dies with the most toys - WINS!

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