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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:48:17 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: Landie search
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I !__| [_]|_\___
I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV
"(o)=3D=3D=3D(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW
I spy a new addition to PKV.........Looks a bit like the mesh under the Northern
Ireland Armoured Rovers...?
I wonder,
:-)
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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:37:47 -0000
Subject: RE: Turbo Boost - how to check?
On 18 Jan 99, at 20:41, Craig.Holdsworth@icl.com wrote:
> .What spare instrument hole? Why haven't I got a spare
> .hole?
> The later Defenders have a clock in the right-most hole on the dash -
> earlier models have their clock next to the rear wash wipe button in the
> middle of the dash.
I've got a battery voltage/charging meter in the right most
hole. Is this unusual?
Steve
1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 621888
Fax: +44 1482 621877
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From: Michael Turpin <M.Turpin@ucl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:06:52 +0000
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
Anyone on the list got any good ideas on what we, as owners of old LRs,
could suggest as an altervative basis for VED?
Cheers
Mike Turpin '80 88" Petrol, Not old enough to be exempt, not clean enough
to be cheap :(
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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:12:37 -0000
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
If they are going to have a system based on emissions (for new cars) and
engine size (for old cars), perhaps older vehicle owners should have the
opportunity to 'opt-in' to the emissions scheme. This would give an
incentive for older vehicle owners to make sure that their engines were in
good condition, rather than paying more and driving around in a polluting
car.
A trip to the MOT centre and a certificate would be simple enough.
Tim Burt
(On page 20 of 35 of the white paper)
www.muddyweb.co.uk
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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:42:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Glow plugs
>are Dieselglow readily obtainable?
>Best Cheers
Far as I know they are Frank.I got mine from the local blokes,but I think
the major outlets stock them.I've had 'em about two years now.They
werent much more expensive than a set of the old sort(About £25 if
I remember rightly) and that includes the wiring and fitting destructions.
Cheers
Mike
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From: John Strang <john.strang@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:50:20 -0000
Subject: RE: proposed changes to car tax
Tim Wrote:
>>If they are going to have a system based on emissions (for new cars) and
> engine size (for old cars), perhaps older vehicle owners should have the
> opportunity to 'opt-in' to the emissions scheme. This would give an
> incentive for older vehicle owners to make sure that their engines were in
> good condition, rather than paying more and driving around in a polluting
> car. A trip to the MOT centre and a certificate would be simple enough.<<
Thats The best suggestion I've heard so far, It gives those of us
who service & maintain their vehicles an advantage over those
don't, My Rangie just got MOT'd and the test station gave me the
print-out of my emissions test, wouldn't take a lot to incorporate
it into the certificate methinks..
On the suggestion the VED must remain as its the only way of
forcing people to register/mot/insure their cars, there's an awful
lot of people out there with none of the above.. (Govt figures on
Ved evasion, thats why SORN was introduced? & personal experience
of being hit by non insured (and unlicenced) driver..
so why not scrap it altogether..
It make the Government a lot of money, and motorists are an easy target
(and they'll increase petrol tax on the pretext of being green as well)
or am I just being cynical..
Strange John john.strang@bbc.co.uk (nr heathrow)
1994 LSE (4.2=ouch under proposals)
1976 Series III 2.25 (equally as bad)
1998 Triumph Speed III (also classed as a gas guzzler)..
1990 Honda Legend (her Car, but also gonna get hit)
Oh well, looks like I'm gonna get clobbered.. but at least
none of them are diesels.. looks like they gonna get hit even harder..
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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:59:16 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: Landie search
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> "(o)=3D=3D=3D(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW
>I spy a new addition to PKV.........Looks a bit like the mesh under the
>Northern
>Ireland Armoured Rovers...?
Or a hovercraft skirt.Is there something you arent telling us Frank?
I'm *sure* its not admissable under ARC rules.Or is it?
Cheers
Mike Rooth
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From: "Seymour, Gareth" <gareth.seymour@sihe.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:15:24 -0000
Subject: Headlamps and TYRO Trials
Firstly headlamps.....
One of the guys in GORC took his series III trialer for a MOT. Its
slightly modified and is similar to an old style Bowler. Anyway he
failed on his headlights. At the testers suggestion he then went home,
removed the headlights completely, plated over the holes. The
result....one ticket.
TYRO trials.....when I was comp sec last year a few suggested putting on
a TYRO as you can then have more than 1 passenger plus you don't need a
full driving licence. The only trouble I could see stems from the rules
in the RAC blue book such as the fact that the section must be laid out
so the vehicles boby/underbody does not come into contact with any
object. What's the point when you have to be that careful. OK, most
people will not mind scrapping the chassis or tow hitch but what about
someone who knows the rules laid down in the blue book and then wants to
cause trouble ??.
We'll stick to running non-damaging Family/Cherished vehicle trials.
bye for now,
Gareth
Glamorgan Offroad Club
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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:22:26 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
In message <bulk.6203.19990119000607@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-lro-
digest@playground.sun.com writes
>Lights, what about these new blue tinted bulbs for head-lights are
>they not legal ?
Apparently they were not legal in the UK until recently. The Germans,
being the kindly soles that they are, decided that dazzle was nice and
they'd give them and 'e' certification. Unfortunately for the rest of us
it means that these lights are now legal all over Europe ... bugger!
--
Andy Gardiner
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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:31:58 +0000
Subject: RE: proposed changes to car tax
> >>If they are going to have a system based on emissions (for new cars) and
> > engine size (for old cars), perhaps older vehicle owners should have the
> [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
> > good condition, rather than paying more and driving around in a polluting
> > car. A trip to the MOT centre and a certificate would be simple enough.<<
Seems a good idea but in practice I doubt we could get close to the
proposed standards with our carberettered engines and points
ignition. How about engine size as proposed, but with a percentage
reduction for anyone who takes positive action to clean up his
vehicle such as documented retrofitting of electronic ignition, fuel
injection etc or particle filters on diesels? The trouble with this
sort of thing is that it gets so hard to administer that they
probably wouldn't consider it.
I suggest a complete exemption from VED for anyone who needs a big
engine because he uses his car at least twice a year for a properly
organised motorsport event:-)
Peter.
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk
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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:37:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Lighting regs
This is indeed just what Solihull does if you have extra spot lights as an
option, (except the switch is on the right of the steering column rather
than the dash).
Allan.
'95 D90 300Tdi
>BTW the easiest way to wire roof lights up is to run the power feed from
>the headlight main-beam (via a relay, natch) and to interrupt the earth
>wire with a dashboard switch. Switch off for on-road, switch on for
>automatic additional main-beam illumination. (poldham@cix told me this,
>must give credit where credit is due)
>:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:53:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Glow plugs
>Mike,
>are Dieselglow readily obtainable?
>Best Cheers
Frank,
Further to my previous message,Paddock do 'em at £22.91 inc VAT
plus carriage,per set,inc wires.I cant see John Craddock *not* doing
them......
Cheers
Mike
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From: "David Levett" <dlevett@pc.jaring.my>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:48:20 +0800
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
My suggestion is that VED (as they fashionably call it - used to be simple
Road Tax) should be incorporated into the price of fuel.
That way:
The more miles you travel - the more you pay
The less economical your vehicle (hence the more emissions per mile) - the
more you pay
If diesel is shown to be more polluting than petrol- higher tax (VED) per
gallon on diesel
That way the people who pay most are the people who use the road
most/pollute most.
Enthusiasts of LandRovers (and other cherished vehicles) would then not be
excessively penalised - Most Series owners at least don't cover huge mileage
in their pride and joy.
David Levett
dlevett@pc.jaring.my
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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:04:11 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
>My suggestion is that VED (as they fashionably call it - used to be simple
>Road Tax) should be incorporated into the price of fuel.
>That way:
>The more miles you travel - the more you pay
>The less economical your vehicle (hence the more emissions per mile) - the
>more you pay
>If diesel is shown to be more polluting than petrol- higher tax (VED) per
>gallon on diesel
O.k. But what about businesses, hauliers, etc... They would up the price of
their goods and services to the consumer. We would effectivly be paying twice
for our road tax.
I can't see supermarkets paying extra on the fuel for its lorries, and not
passing that price increase onto the customer.
Just a thought!!!
Orlando.
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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:11:22 +0000
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
David Levett wrote:
> My suggestion is that VED (as they fashionably call it - used to be simple
> Road Tax) should be incorporated into the price of fuel.
> That way:
> The more miles you travel - the more you pay
Isn't this what the RAC/AA have been wanting for the last umteen (? lot
of!) years.
The objection being from people who do a lot of miles for their work
being over penalised.
I would have thought that a system of subsidies/exemptions could be
introduced based on essential miles travelled.
Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol (Tax exempt, just!)
1962 88" 2.25 petrol (Q plates, not tax exempt, but will be when its
electric!)
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm
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From: chris.mokes@symbian.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:20:31 GMT
Subject: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
How about each vehicle is fitted with a tamperproof! electronic
odometer and we pay at the end of each year depending on how many
miles we have done. Record the mileage at mot time, the bill arrives
just after the mot. When you have paid, you get a sticker (tax disk)
valid until your next mot is due, (or a couple of weeks after to allow
for it to be sent to you).
Doesn't solve the problem now, but a possible future prediction!
Lets face it, we drive vehicles which are a popular target. There was
even a letter in the evening standard in london moaning about 4x4s
saying they would kill you in a side impact because they are above the
impact protection bars in a normal car. Of course, vans, buses,
lorries etc aren't!
Just my rant for the day,
Chris
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From: Jerry Hoare <jerryh@orchis.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:52:22 -0000
Subject: Unofficial "playground" closed
Hello all,
For some years now, when visiting friends in Derbyshire, we've gone to an
unofficial off-road "playground" in the hills above Matlock Baths (Grid
ref: approx SK254583). The last time we went there it had been bulldozed
around and was closed off.
The landowner no doubt has the right to do this, but I'm just interested
why. Does anyone know what's happened?
Jerry
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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:21:17 +0000
Subject: Re: ball joint
> I'm working on the brakes and swivels of my LR 109 SIII 1977.
> I have a problem getting the ball joint lose on the steering arm that goes to
the swivel housing.
> I checked with the hardware store and the price for a universal baljoint
splitter is fl 200,- (that is 65 english pounds). Very expensive also.
> I did a lot af tapping on it, as the manual says, but i won't come off.
> I'll be very happy with any good suggestion
Try hitting it hard with two hammers together, one on each side.
This is usually enough to shock it loose.
Good luck
Peter.
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:58:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Turbo Boost - how to check?
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:19:45 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:29:04 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:54:48 -0000
Subject: Re: ball joint
>I'm working on the brakes and swivels of my LR 109 SIII 1977.
>I have a problem getting the ball joint lose on the steering arm that goes
to the swivel housing.
Heat it up with a blowlamp or oxy torch... but dont cut it thru!...
I used a plumbers propane blowlamp, it was enough to do the job.
I di put it in a vice, and with a 600mm lever could not turn the joint.
5 mins of heat and it was loose.
I also read about a death caused by the threads in the track rod tube
getting rusted away and the joint coming away from the tube.
Evidently it is extremely rare..... BUT all you off roaders get all that
water in the tubes more often than the other "all on roders"
Just something that we dont think of.... checking the state of the threads
inside the tube.
Take care.. be safe...
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From: "Steven Hodgson" <stevehod@globalnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:04:44 -0000
Subject: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED
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I have been asked by a friend to see if I can locate a company =
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a specialist Search and Rescue team.
The conversion would be built onto a TDI Series 5 chassis
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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:50 -0000
Subject: RE: Landie search
Its all right, Frank gets a bit touchy about his choice of colour he goes
off road with.
Must be something in his genes ;-)
Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110
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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 20:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs
<<<<Lights, what about these new blue tinted bulbs for head-lights are
they not legal ?>>>>
They would be if they _were_ blue but its just a 'feature' of the
new-style units. Beam pattern all produced by the reflector and projected
thru' clear glass.
:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)
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From: "Mel Mauger & Matthew Reeve" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:24:36 -0000
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
> VED
>so why not scrap it altogether..
>It make the Government a lot of money, and motorists are an easy target
>(and they'll increase petrol tax on the pretext of being green as well)
>or am I just being cynical..
>Strange John john.strang@bbc.co.uk (nr Heathrow)
The 'pay per mile' approach is great for the masses, but what about those of us
who currently are
exempt from paying road tax due to disabilities. It's currently virtually
impossible to use public
transport with a wheelchair, so you have to use a car. It's been suggested that
people who had
exemption from VED should receive discounts on fuel, but that would simply lead
to corrupt
individuals filling up with discounted fuel and promptly siphoning it into
another vehicle. Another
option is an equivalent to red diesel, sold at a discount but flagged with some
marker to allow
testing and any trace found in the tank at MoT time in a non-eligible vehicle
would lead to
prosecution. Of course, all of these have problems.
If anyone has any more ideas, then please suggest, but at the moment the VED
seems to be working.
Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi
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From: Dan Moreau <NSI94@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:22:25 +1100
Subject: subscribe
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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:07:25 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs
They're still blue; I'm told that in an ordinary car (i.e. not a good high
driving position), the blue disappears when the vehicle is within "dazzling
distance". In the Rangie where I meet quite a few of these blue lights
attached to BMWs, etc (but mainly BMWs as I work in the very affluent
Henley-on-Thames (you've heard of Hooray Henley's surely)) they are
positively blinding. The LWt is equally susceptible to them. It must be the
much vaunted high driving position. Even the local Police have taken to
using them (thinks: It would be good to prove them illegal. Can't be stopped
for speeding when the patrol car has unlawful lighting...."You prove I was
speeding and I'll prove you were driving with unlawful lights. We'll see who
loses their job first").
Sure they could only be fitted to headlights (most modern saloons have dual
lighting systems with a supplementary (dual beam) headlight). What gas is
used in them? I suppose it must be Argon or some similar "noble" gas.
They certainly seem a good reason to carry a twelve bore in the car.
Perhaps Mel and Mathew could check their ministry notes (previously stated
that white or yellow were acceptable; nothing about blue - we're still
governed by the Ministry of Transport, not Brussels (or have I been asleep
and missed something)).
Clive.
RR '86 EFi
SIII LWt
SIII SWB
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From: wayne@yorkshire.u-net.com (Wayne Davies)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:33:14 GMT
Subject: Ex Military SIII spares
Hello all
Some of you might be interested in some SIII ex Mil spares.
Not from me, I'm just passing the word as I have been asked to put it in
the newsletter and tell anyone I can think of.
The prices seem good, 2.25 engines with all ancillaries £150, gearboxes,
£100, Salisbury's £50. Loads of 24volt parts I'm told. Stage 1 steering
relays, 110 bonnets. Just been told this in telephone conversation.
Norfolk area.
Mail me for the phone number.
Thanks
--
Wayne Davies Website info on Ex-Military Land Rovers One Tequila
Harrogate SAS Pink Panther, Lightweight, Shorland Two Tequila
North Yorks Belgian Minerva & Armoured Land Rovers Three Tequila
01423 526642 www.yorkshire.u-net.com
FLOOR!
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:23:56 +0100
Subject: Glowing again but...
I went the whole hog and changed all four glow plugs tonight, finding
the latest blown cluprit in the process.
Plug #4 (the rearmost cylinder) had lost about 1-2mm of it's filament -
I am just hoping that it melted a week ago and was expunged in the
exhaust, and that there is not some small bit of glow plug rattling
around inside the cylinder.
Has anyone else seen this phenomena? What do diesel engine or glow plug
manufacturers recommend - or expect - when the glow plug failęs dropping
its detritus into the vulnerable crevices of the cylinder? Is the
recommended modus op. that of pulling the entire head to check, or does
one resort to not thinking about the problem, in the hope that it might
just go away?
It seems silly to pull the entire head to check if a glowplug-dropping
is in the pot, but on the other hand, if I lost a small screw through a
hole in the cyl. top I would probably have to open it and remove it.
What does the oracle(s) say about glowplug droppings?
Adrian Redmond
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From: "David Levett" <dlevett@pc.jaring.my>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:07:04 +0800
Subject: Re: Re: proposed changes to car tax
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>.>O.k. But what about businesses, hauliers, etc... They would up the price
>of
>.>their goods and services to the consumer. We would effectivly be paying
>twice
>.>for our road tax.
>.>I can't see supermarkets paying extra on the fuel for its lorries, and
not
>.>passing that price increase onto the customer.
>He said, (strictly off the record), that they would never put the tax on
>.>their goods and services to the consumer. We would effectivly be paying
>twice
the
>fuel as the road hauliers had a very powerful lobby, and would manage to
get
>it quashed.
We're now getting off the LandRover subject a bit but here is more of my
'two pennies worth'
Yes if tax were on fuel we would pay more for goods BUT:
If the government played fair (and we know they won't) the price you pay for
goods would then represent the 'whole' price i.e. the cost of damage the
lorry does to the roads (therefore the cost to repair) and the cost for the
damage the lorry does to the environment. If this were the case goods would
be more expensive but Road Tax/VED on private vehicles would be negligible.
Back in the 80's we closed most of the British coal mines on the basis,
amongst others, that imported coal was cheaper. Remember power stations were
built next to coal mines. If the full cost of transport of x number of
lorries per hour from the ports to the power station were taken into account
would the equation still be the same?
So maybe if VED was on fuel we would not pay twice it would just be more
obvious were the money goes. Then, which is the bit the transport lobby
don't like, the balance may move back to other forms of transport (i.e.
rail) and we may get some of the lorries off the road.
My vote is for VED on fuel with different rates if you wish and rebates etc.
for certain groups - businesses already monitor/claim VAT refund etc. on
fuel so the admin should be fairly easy - maybe the government could use
some of the 'counter assistants' from post offices and we wouldn't have to
queue up at the post offices!
I'm sorry this is not LandRover but it is relevant to my Series III 2.25
Diesel which covers few miles per year 'cause I'm not home much and would
cost me ? (UKP 700 has been quoted). So yes I have a vested interest.
David Levett
dlevett@pc.jaring.my
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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:29:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Glowing again but...
When it happened to me on the SIII, I took the view that it would probably
have been blown straight out of the back (even without the engine running)
and promptly forgot it. It's probably better that way. Like many other
people, I then fitted the parallel type of glow plugs. As Dieselglow are
fully enclosed, I don't need to worry about it happening again.
Clive
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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:40:59 -0000
Subject: Re: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED
Try Frogs Island 4 x 4. They aren't in the North East, but they have
recently done a vehicle for Co. Donegal Mountain rescue. It started as a
110 and ended up as a fully equipped TDi Ambulance conversion.
There was a small bit in the front of LRO, (last month I think). It was a
very tidy vehicle, and by all accounts the customer was chuffed to bits with
it.
Cheers,
Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk
P.S. : Frogs Island 4 x 4 - 01491 824020
I have been asked by a friend to see if I can locate a company =
preferably (but not essential) in the North East of England who are able =
to undertake the conversion of a Land Rover into an Ambulance for use by =
a specialist Search and Rescue team.
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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:59:48 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs - Tim's Rant - Now getting way off topic ! -
Quite Long
OK, just to clear a few things up.
These 'blue lights' (at least the LEGAL - E approved ones) are not Blue.
They are white. It's all to do with colour temperature. I won't bore you
all with a description of the physics of light, but believe me, to all
intents and purposes they are white. It you insist on calling them blue,
you might as well call tungsten lamps orange.
There are a few different sorts that I know of that are currently available
and Legal :
Standard Halogen : These are what most people have in their cars and what
we are used to.
Xenon Filled : These use a Xenon Gas in the envelope to allow the filament
to burn more brightly. There is a slight upward shift in colour
temperature.
'Electra Blue' or other similar. - These use a different combination of
gas, and a colour correcting internal reflector. They a bright light and a
much higher colour temperature (closer to daylight)
Discharge Lamps - These are what the police and the top end BMW's, Mercs,
etc. use. They provide and extremely efficient light source, working along
similar principals to a fluorescent tube. These, too provide a high colour
temperature (closer to daylight)
The reason we all feel that these lamps are more dazzling is that our eye is
'tuned' to see things in daylight.... that's where it works best. If you
have headlamps which are closer to daylight, you get better visibility as
the reflected light we see is more natural to us. It also means that
oncoming drivers' eyes have to adjust more quickly. (Like opening the
curtains in the morning !)
There are other issues to be taken into account as well...... with modern
car design, it has become fashionable to reduce the size of the headlamp,
and use Prism Convex, and condenser lenses. The use of dichroic reflectors
is also becoming popular. This produces nice, efficient light from a small
point source, but due to the small lens gives a less even beam pattern. In
the periphery of the beam, blue, orange and sometimes even green tones can
be seen.
One of the biggest problems, regardless of headlamp type, is headlamp
adjustment. Most people take their car to be MOT'd with nothing in the
boot, no passengers, etc. When they get home, they put the pushchair,
kids, toolbox, survival kit, 18" bass bin, etc. back into the car and
suddenly the headlamps are pointing skyward. Many cars don't have extra
adjustment and many people don't think about it.
There are a number of Blue lamps about, but they tend to be fitted in the
boy racer cars. I've even seen some cars with little bits of blue filter
stuck on the headlamps to make them 'look good'. On the the whole thought,
the light from these things is white.
End of rant
Cheers,
Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk
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