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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:05:54 -0000
Subject: V8 tuners in Hull?

No one would happen to have knowledge of a V8 speciallist in Hull? Mine has
failed it's MOT retest on CO AND HC and he mesed with the carb settings to
try to pass it, now it still doesn't pass, runs like a bag of spanners, and
he recons probably a cylinder is not firing properly.....

Dave White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:36:37 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:42:47 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

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From: "Saunders.Richard" <Richard.Saunders@haltoncollege.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:39:38 -0000
Subject: VED ARC etc

When the VED is moved upwards for the likes of the Landrover etc will the
only LRs  in arc RTV events be made before 1973?  I for one will not keep a
LR in Road Tax for just RTV events!  

Will ARC change its stance? Could it be called an MOTT and trail them to
events?

or do we just abandon ARC RTV and...

Rant 37

Richard Saunders

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From: Michael Turpin <M.Turpin@ucl.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:54:36 +0000
Subject: Re: VED ARC etc

Exactly how I feel, I probably do less than 2k Miles a year in my Series
III, this is mainly off road and travelling to and from off-road sites.
I'm not sure that I could afford to pay the levels of tax that have been
rumored.  And also, why should I, with the very limited mileage that I do,
I must be producing less pollution than a 15k/year company car of the same
engine size!

Cheers
Mike Turpin (Hoping to be able to keep his hobby!)

At 08:39 20/01/99 -0000, you wrote:

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From: Jon_Hudson@amp.com.au
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:09:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

For a very readable and well put together article on Automotive Lighting,
Blue Bulds, Xenon bulbs, wiring harnesses etc... check out this link follow
the 'Automotive Lighting' thread.

http://lighting.mbz.org/

Must admit I found it very useful.

Cheers

Jon Hudson
1 Johnson Close/North Luffenham/Oakham/Rutland/Uk
J426JEJ '91 Defender 90 - Soft Top
RLE60R '76 Dakar 4x4 - LRO Oct'97 - http://www.dakar.co.uk/page4.html

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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 99 10:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

<<<<They're still blue;>>>>

I stand corrected :-)....the fact that the blue disapears when closer lead 
me to believe they were clear-light.

They are still bl**dy distracting IMHO because any flash of blue diverts  
a drivers attention to a possible emergency servive vehicle and its 
intentions.

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:58:11 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In message <bulk.1607.19990120000641@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-lro-
digest@playground.sun.com writes
>> My suggestion is that VED (as they fashionably call it - used to be simple
>> Road Tax) should be incorporated into the price of fuel.
>> That way:
>> The more miles you travel - the more you pay
>The objection being from people who do a lot of miles for their work
>being over penalised.
>I would have thought that a system of subsidies/exemptions could be
>introduced based on essential miles travelled.

I'm sorry, but the more fuel a vehicle uses, generally speaking, the
more miles it does, the environmental impact is higher thus justifying
higher amounts of tax. A fuel levy exactly does this. Arguments by the
dvla against this proposal in general do not hold water because:
a) Evasion is difficult
b) Everybody pays (including French 38ton artics. full of stuff
laughingly called apples!)
c) It does not intrinsicly link the vehicle with MOT and insurance -
what if I've got an MOT until Teusday and cancel my insurance tomorrow?
Perhaps MOT's could only be issued on production of an insurance
document and then you get 'an MOT disc' instead. There'd then be fewer
cars without MOT, all vehicles would pay duty (on fuel) which only
leaves the lapsed insurance mob to be chased.
d) It penalises hauliers and the like -  sorry, I thought the main crux
of this was enviro-friendliness? Or are we creeping into making the
Govt. money again?  

It seems to me that all the arguments for the new 'teired' levy are
environmental yet all the arguements against are financial (or dvla
afraid of losing its power related). In reality, the arguements against
a flat type levy and for a 'usage' related levy are very eco-friendly
*and* income producing. I believe the Govt. has already made up its mind
- it won't listen to anything apart from what *it* wants to hear. Granny
with her 20 year old 1.8 Marina who does 1000 miles a year should
obviously pay as much as Mr high-flier in his 2 litre injected motor
doing 90 along the M25 and 30000 miles a year and changes the motor
anually..... I'm afraid I'm getting very political but once again
fairness goes out of the window. The only people who benefit from this
proposal are the manufacturers of small cars who can be guaranteed a
large scale constant turnover for years to come.

<rant mode off ...>

Whatever people think, please fill in the document on-line before
31/1/99 at http://www.open.gov.uk/dvla/vedcon.htm

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:10:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

>They are still bl**dy distracting IMHO because any flash of blue diverts
>a drivers attention to a possible emergency servive vehicle and its
>intentions.
I'm glad you said that Mick.I thought I was alone in seeing that effect.
They really are a damned nuisance for it,especially in heavy traffic.
Particularly when an ambulance appears immediately afterwards from a totally
different direction...

Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:38:06 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Perhaps MOT's could only be issued on production of an insurance
>document and then you get 'an MOT disc' instead. There'd then be fewer
>cars without MOT,
To be honest,if the MoT was abandoned tommorrow,I dont beleive it
any effect would be visible for at least ten years.
>Perhaps MOT's could only be issued on production of an insurance
 The only people who benefit from this
>proposal are the manufacturers of small cars who can be guaranteed a
>large scale constant turnover for years to come.
And there you've hit the nail right on the head.Isnt this what its all about?
A crude and cynical attempt to get everyone riding around in mediocre
little tin buzzboxes.
If I remember aright,the document speaks of black smoke being a "perceived"
pollutant by the Great British Public.The tone of the statement being
that its not,but because the Sun informed masses think it is,we'd better
count it as one.Environment my backside.Its how can we screw yet more
money out of drivers.If they were truly "Concerned about The Environment"
(said in hushed,reverent,tones) they'd be putting money into the old
East German and Russian factories to bring them up to date,as well as
not letting the Yanks buy themselves out of cleanup schemes.
OK,I've finished fulminating....

Mike Rooth

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:40:23 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I have to say Andy, that I'm with you.   And I say that as someone who
drives around 55,000 miles a year for business.

I don't think that it's fair that the VED on my 2.5 L TDi Discovery is the
same as the tax on my 1300 VW Beetle.  (That does less than 5000 miles a
year)

A fuel tax is fairest, most easily enforced and most eco-friendly.   I do
sympathise with disabled drivers and people who live in remote locations.
But the good of the planet has to come into the equation at some point.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:54:38 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:03:11 +0000
Subject: List topics

Hi people

Is this the correct list for Series Lnadrover stuff or just for coil sprung
Landrovers the WWW site for the list is not specific.

Thanks

Pat

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:09:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs  -  Tim's Rant - Now getting way off topic !  -  
Quite Lon

> One of the biggest problems, regardless of headlamp type, is headlamp
> adjustment.    Most people take their car to be MOT'd with nothing in the
> boot, no passengers, etc.   When they get home, they put the pushchair,
> kids, toolbox, survival kit, 18" bass bin, etc.   back into the car and
> suddenly the headlamps are pointing skyward.   

Thanks for an interesting expose on lights.  Another factor that *may*
affect the attitude of lights, besides loads in boot and trailers, is the
change in angle when at full throttle.  Not likely to affect Landies so
much but on softer suspension on cars with full throttle as a bike does a
wheelie or cars accelerate the front must come up perceptibly.  I have
passed ques of stationary traffic with dipped headlight where none (with
the usual obvious exceptions) seem to be "high".  Yet when on Motorways far
more seem to be "high" (yet not on main beam).  Could it be the wind
resistance changing the angle by a degree or two?

BTW anyone see the Disaster proggy on TV Monday, showing why the QE2 with a
draught of 32 ft struck rocks 39ft below surface in 1992?  Factor of speed
in shallow water produced a 'drop' in the ocean level of 8ft. that the ship
sat in.  Fascinating.

Chris
I saw some that appeared to be fitted as spots last night. very small,
below bumber, bright, but not too dazzing, slightly worse than the
headlights.   

Are they sensible for off-road lights/ aux lights, you say they are more
efficient, so does that mean the cost is VERY high?

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED

> Try Frogs Island 4 x 4.   They aren't in the North East, but they have

Dave Wright had a vehicle done there that I was in recently, looked an
impressive job. Give him a call   DWr1069469@aol.com

Chris

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:09:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: proposed changes to car tax

> I'm sorry this is not LandRover but it is relevant to my Series III 2.25
> Diesel which covers few miles per year 'cause I'm not home much and would
> cost me ? (UKP 700 has been quoted). So yes I have a vested interest.

Perhaps someone has the rates they could post, (small problem at moment
with Internet access) And Email response address if available.

But why should continental trucks come over and damage our roads (remember
6th power of weight, a 1 ton to 4 ton per axle is 216 times more damaging)
and environment damage, without paying the tax in full which they would
(more or less) if on fuel.

If one has to pay large sums to keep a car anyway ( by VED) what incentive
is there to then use public transport? (80% of car owners use them to
commute, try to reduce that figure)

I do above average mileage, so it's not in my interest to tax fuel more
than VED, but I see very high VED as wrong

It will do nothing to encourage Hybrid cars before all electric ones are
developed. (ie those on local, school runs could be 100% electric use)

I understand the highest limit is about 2litres? What about the 6.75 lite
Rollers?  except classics,  they are the ones that should be hammered.

Sales reps do very high mileages, that should be cut drastically, fuel is
the best method short of regulating.  

Any changes should be for new cars in 12m + so that it is not a draconian
change on people buing medium sized diesels when that was claimed to be the
least environmentally damaging (and still may be).  

If they shift the balance to Petrol, All of one fuel presents further
enviromental problems.

Chris

ps Geoff said (copyright permitting;-)
Personally speaking he said it was the right thing to do, the more you
drive
the more you pay, and the "travellers" or anyone else for that matter  etc
etc who choose to evade paying taxes could not escape paying either.

The hauliers may have a powerful lobby, but they are not above the law. If
there was an adequate justification / demand that it was done by fuel duty,
they could still impose it.

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From: "James D. Tyler" <em95jdt@brunel.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:13:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: List topics

.> Is this the correct list for Series Lnadrover stuff or just for coil 
sprung
.> Landrovers the WWW site for the list is not specific.

Hello Pat,  

Welcome to the list  -  it is indeed the place to find series (sad) 
leafers, coil sprung Rangies and Land-Rovers, plus any variations on those 
themes...

P.S.  Anyone selling a 90 Tdi for less than 7000 ukp.  Mine suffered a fire 
on 4 / 1 / 99, so I am now looking for something to spend 
General-Accident's money on.....

                 "STIG"
            (James D. Tyler)
          em95jdt@brunel.ac.uk

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:23:45 +0000
Subject: Re: List topics

>Is this the correct list for Series Lnadrover stuff or just for coil sprung
>Landrovers the WWW site for the list is not specific.
You're in the right place for both,Pat.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:29:04 +0000
Subject: Re: List topics

Thanks Mike

On Wed Jan 20, 1999 at 12:23:45PM +0000, Mike Rooth wrote:
> >Is this the correct list for Series Lnadrover stuff or just for coil sprung
> >Landrovers the WWW site for the list is not specific.
> You're in the right place for both,Pat.
> Cheers
> Mike Rooth

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From: "Bonorchis, Conrad" <ConradBonorchis@interim.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:35:53 -0000
Subject: Dump/dust valve

Hi all.

A question. What is the ball park price for a dumpvalve : part nr  nrc8955
for a diesel and also the price on a dustvalve : part nr stc1120 for a v8
petrol?

As I understand the dump or dust valve sits on the bottom of the airfilter
housing and is suppose to drain excess dust out.  It's just bigger than a
golf ball. Is it ok to remove it and block the hole until the replacement
goes in? 
Do you need this unit if a snorkel is fitted?

Any comment appreciated.

Thanks and Cheers
Conrad

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:47:07 +0000
Subject: Series III advice needed

Hi

Currently I am running an 84 RR with a 3.9EFI engine as my daily transport.
It very nice but its too complicated for me to do my own maintanace bar
changing the oil (what with the ecu computer, fuel injection, air
conditioning et al). Also parts are relatively expensive. 

I am therefor considering changing to a Series III instead. I know they are
a lot less car like and have less creature comforts than a RR but that
doesn't matter.

My requirements are a for a daily commute of 15 miles each way (on country
roads - single track for the first 2 miles) and the occasional longer trip
usually one or twice a month which could be up to 150 miles each way. This
leads to the question what is the realistic cruising speed on a motorway of
a Series III 2.25 petrol, it doesnt matter for commuting but for those long
trips 50mph would be a pain if thats all it will do.

I have a child of two so I also need to know how easy it is to fit a rear
seat with seatbelts that would safely secure a car seat and especially if
any of the fold away type will do this (I like the idea of the big load
space).

Are there any major differences in performance between a 88 and a 109 as the
88 looks a little cramped in the back with seats fitted compared to the RR
and currently when we go on holiday we manage to fill the RR no problem :).

Finally are their any major differences between ex MOD vehicals and civilian
ones as I have read reports of excellent MOD series IIIs being released from
service at the moment and wouldnt mind upgrading the interior a bit if the
price and state of the mechanicals on one of these justified it against
buying a civilian one.

Thanks for your time

Pat

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:09:37 -0000
Subject: Auxilliary Lamps (Was blue tinting)

>Thanks for an interesting expose on lights.

You're entirely welcome.  I work in the stage lighting industry and it's one
of my pet hates when people call them blue.    It's like people calling them
bulbs as well......   they're lamps.

>re seem to be "high" (yet not on main beam).  Could it be the wind
>resistance changing the angle by a degree or two?

Interesting theory.....     Bumps in the road will also have an effect.

>BTW anyone see the Disaster proggy on TV Monday, showing why the QE2 with a

Yep, I saw that.  Really interesting.    Quite obvious when you actually
think about it,  just needed the guy to make the connection.

>Are they sensible for off-road lights/ aux lights, you say they are more
>efficient, so does that mean the cost is VERY high?

Tough question, as it will vary from design to design.   For any type of
light the key objective (ignoring MOT issues) is to get the maximum amount
of light energy for the minimum power, heat and space.     Small lens lamps
make great pencil beams (generally) so you can get away with it.  If you
want really good light dispersion, you need a bigger lens.
I use the 'electra blue' lamps in my Series 3 auxiliary units, cause they
give great illumination off-road, and that's just in cheap 'Ring'  fittings.
Hella make auxiliary lights of the discharge type.  They come complete with
starters and will give fantastic illumination, low weight and low current.
They only cost around 900 ukp each !

BTW - It does not always follow that increasing the wattage of the lamps in
the units will give much more illumination.    You will get more light, and
better coverage from 2 x 50 watt lights than from 1 x 100 watt

Cheers,

Tim.

www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:21:57 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Surely you aren't under the impression that the 
government are doing all this for the good of the planet 
are you? They just want to get more votes and get more 
tax (in that order). Increasing the tax burden of the 
motorist gets more votes because the uneducated voter 
thinks this is 'greener' and at the same time it obviously 
brings more money into the treasury. 
Personally I disagree with anything that places an even 
higher tax burden on the motorist. We are already over 
taxed with the current road tax system where only a very 
small fraction actually goes towards the roads and 
infrastructure. Perhaps a larger proportion of the current 
tax should be diverted towards the public transport sector 
and promoting research into lean-burn systems etc.. 
rather than paying for other, non-transport associated 
projects.

That's my gripe for the day!

On 20 Jan 99, at 11:40, Tim Burt wrote:

> I have to say Andy, that I'm with you.   And I say that as someone who
> drives around 55,000 miles a year for business.
> I don't think that it's fair that the VED on my 2.5 L TDi Discovery is the
> same as the tax on my 1300 VW Beetle.  (That does less than 5000 miles a
> year)
> A fuel tax is fairest, most easily enforced and most eco-friendly.   I do

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> sympathise with disabled drivers and people who live in remote locations.
> But the good of the planet has to come into the equation at some point.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 621888
Fax: +44 1482 621877

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:35:16 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Surely you aren't under the impression that the
>government are doing all this for the good of the planet
>are you?

I do take your point Steve, but I think it's time that motorists start to
take responsibility for the damage they are causing to the environment.   I
am as guilty of it as anyone.  I'll just jump in the car to go to the shops,
I could walk, cycle, take the bus.... but I don't.

My company took a decision to set up an office for me at home last year, for
the simple reason that my fuel bills were getting too high.     If the fuel
tax was applied, then that discussion would have come even earlier.

Yes, the governments want to get more votes and tax, at the moment it seems
that those desires co-incide with an opportunity to improve our environment,
and that's good.

I do agree fully that the destination of the money is a big issue.  I think
that the money should go towards improving the public transport
infrastructure, development grants for better engine technology, etc.

The simple fact is that the government have to be seen to be doing something
to improve the environment.  Regardless of where the money goes, I think
that the current system is unfair and unrepresentative.    They are going to
change it, and if we say nothing then we will have to put up with what they
give us.

I'm sure opinion will be polarised over this, in any event I would echo the
sentiments already expressed :  Once we've all aired, argued and modified
our views on this forum, make sure you fill out the form on the website,
before 31st January.    Make your voice heard.

Cheers,

Tim

www.muddyweb.co.uk

It's all getting a bit political....   Anyone got any good Land Rover
questions ?

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:51:32 GMT
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

Partick wrote:
:Is this the correct list for Series Lnadrover stuff or just for coil
:sprung
Topic?  This list has a topic?!

Answer is anything remotely LR-ish.  The Series guys on this list  
reckon they've got the "real" landies but us civilised beings have 
migrated to more bouncy/posterior-friendly coils :-)

And Mick Dyer did this:...

> They are still bl**dy distracting IMHO because any flash of blue diverts  
> a drivers attention to a possible emergency servive vehicle and its 
> intentions.
I agree.  The flashes of blue do grab the attention. They're still 
rare enough, up here anyway, to make me think "emergency vehicle" 
and lift-off.  The whole point of restricting the showing of blue 
lights seems to me to be slightly compromised by this type of bul... 
sorry, lamp.

Regards,

Iain

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:06:20 -0000
Subject: Re: List topics

What ever you have be it Coil or Leafie... we will put up with you!....
(they put up with me!)
as Long as its a Land Rover... no Jap Cr*p allowed in here!

other than that... welcome to the list!..

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

This note is copyright of Geoff Wilkin and should not be published
elsewhere in whole or part without the strict agreement of the author.

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'97)
All views expressed are my own and are no-one elses! (or so I am told).

'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:08:24 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Perhaps a larger proportion of the current
>tax should be diverted towards the public transport sector

Hear hear Steve! Except the above bit.*What* public transport?There
isnt any.Its....all...privatised.Why should I pay extra to some
incompetant twerp who fancies running buses or a railway,and cant
do it properly? They are supposed to make a profit.Why should we
give 'em even more money for nothing?
Surely this is Metropolitan Man again.In cities,only a fool,or
someone forced by circumstance will,I would have thought,use a car.
So cities get a bit smoggy.Fine.That's *their* problem.*They* solve
it.But I'm damned if I see why I should pay for it.I dont even mind
if they get some grant aid towards a sensible solution,*that affects
them,and them only*.And incidentally,electric vehicles only shifts
pollution to the countryside where the power stations are.Perhaps
they shouldnt have been so quick to rip up tramlines?
But in the rest of the country the individual motor vehicle has set
people free,in much the same way that the railways did originally.
It means they dont have to wait for the twice *weekly* bus to get
them to town to do the shopping(and by town,I mean the nearest market
town),and come home weighed down with enough stuff to last the week.
Because thats what public transport meant before cars became affordable.
And its not that long ago either.Mind you at least it was reliable.
You didnt get this claptrap about "there wont be a bus today because
we dont feel like running it".
I live in Loughborough,which is about in the middle of the Derby Nottingham
Leicester triangle.The Lace Triangle.On the infrequent occasions I feel
the need (or the wife feels the inclination) to go to Nottingham (I loathe
Leicester,and *never* go to Derby) we use the bus.Mainly because you really
*cant* park in Nottingham,or if you can its not worth the hassle.The service
runs every 15 mins,is cheap,and takes an hour to get there,and is run
by a company based in the village of Gotham.One wonders whether this has
something to do with its virtues.But otherwise I use the Land Rover.Driving
between villages here you'll see very few buses.And this is hardly deep
countryside either.
Land Rover content:I had to take the 11A to a diesel fitters in a local
village to have a leak on the distributor pump fixed.A village,what,about
eight miles away? And its quite a big village as well.Look up bus
timetable.Nothing.Trains? Forget it.Bear in mind I had to get to work.
Finally I rang them and said I didnt think I could make it.The firms
owner said that if I could get there by 9am,he was coming back my way
and would give me a lift.In his car.
So.By all means tidy up Metropolitan areas.But I fail to see why in
doing so the rest of us should suffer for it.
My apologies for the length of this monologue,I really didnt set out
to write an essay.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:30:05 -0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

>Answer is anything remotely LR-ish.  The Series guys on this list
>reckon they've got the "real" landies but us civilised beings have
>migrated to more bouncy/posterior-friendly coils :-)

that's fighting talk where I come from !   :)

>lights seems to me to be slightly compromised by this type of bul...
>sorry, lamp.

Thank you for your consideration for my mental health.

Just an aside though.....   the ambulances / fire brigade / police all have
really loud nee-nor things around my way.......  that usually alerts me to
their presence !

Cheers,

Tim

www.muddyweb.co.uk

(Desperately trying to think of something directly to do with Land Rovers)

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:12:53 +0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

Just an aside though.....   the ambulances / fire brigade / police all have
>really loud nee-nor things around my way.......  that usually alerts me to
>their presence !

Ah,yes,but can you tell which *direction* the nee-naw is coming from?
They've got them everywhere,but the ambulance people and fire brigade
appear not to try and use them.The police are just plain noisy.
Mike Rooth

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:12:56 -0000
Subject: QE2 / Squatting (Disaster prog on the TV)

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:06:34 -0000
Subject: Tax on Parking at work and raod charges.

Oh Dear... another consultation paper!.....

Take a look at:-
http://www.detr.gov.uk/itwp/logjam/

They are talking about the charging of road useage, and taxing the car
parking on the street, AND at the workplace.

Comments to:
ult.detr@gtnet.gov.uk

But read the paper first. Its apity is isnt downloadable as a single file.
(my first complaint!)

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

This note is copyright of Geoff Wilkin and should not be published
elsewhere in whole or part without the strict agreement of the author.

EMail      geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com
Homepage - http://www.btinternet.com/~geoff.wilkin - (Site REVAMPED 18 Sept
'97)
All views expressed are my own and are no-one elses! (or so I am told).

'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Ian Stuart <kiz@lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:22:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Charity request] Urgent need for drivers

>From Denis  Rutovitz of Edinburgh Direct Aid, in relation to towing
caravans from Edinburgh towards Kosovo...

(a) we've given up on Kosovo - seems you just can't get in, without that
NATO sends a few hundred cruise things first.
(b) there are a lot of Kosovan refugees in Albania. Some are still up in
the mountains. We plan
to take a first batch of caravans to a place near the N.E border, called
Krumah (orchestrated by an OSCE chap called Owen O'Sullivan who will lay
on police escourts etc.), leaving Wednesday a.m.
The last I heard it was unlikely that your group would be able to come
in term time? - but anyway, we're short two vehicles. If any of your
folk could and would come, they need not go
the full distance - as far as Ancona in Italy would do nicely, which
would get them back home on about the following Wednesday. Full
distance, add 1 week. Cash is attended to for this trip! - so if anyone
can help, welcome aboard, and please ring me at 552 1545.

-----------
Dennis does mean this wednesday - 27 Jan 1999.
He reckons that it will be a full 7 days there and back.

Please contact him directly, either by phone on 0131 552 1545, or by mail
at denis@cableinet.co.uk

I can't go, which is a damn shame...

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:23:42 +0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

On Wed Jan 20, 1999 at 04:12:53PM +0000, Mike Rooth wrote:
> Just an aside though.....   the ambulances / fire brigade / police all have
> >really loud nee-nor things around my way.......  that usually alerts me to
> >their presence !
> Ah,yes,but can you tell which *direction* the nee-naw is coming from?
> They've got them everywhere,but the ambulance people and fire brigade
> appear not to try and use them.The police are just plain noisy.
> Mike Rooth

Some ambulances and fire engines have been fitted with white noise
generators insrtead of nee-nor things and this works really well. You can
tell exactly which direction they are comming from. No idea why white noise
should be more directional than a siren but it is.

Pat

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:33:49 EST
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

Used to be the joke among U.S. servicemen in Germany was that the horns
weren't saying Nee-Naar, but "Deutch-Mark" because it would cost you when ever
one of these vehicles arrived at your location.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:35:34 +0000
Subject: Re: QE2 / Squatting (Disaster prog on the TV)

I saw it... Fascinating as you say....... Does this mean that the faster I
>go in my 110, the more it hugs the ground?... If this theory is correct then
>why does it steer like a pregnant duck on rollerskates when doing 85mph?

Well if it does,Land Rover didnt need to invent adjustable height suspension.
Mike Rooth

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:35:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs (No LR content)

Tim spake:

> Just an aside though.....   the ambulances / fire brigade / police all have
> really loud nee-nor things around my way.......  that usually alerts me to
> their presence !

Pardon!   Back in the mists of time I remember being asked to read a 
number plate on the driving test.  No one said anything about being 
able to hear.  :-) 
Seriously though, blues are used more than mee-maws.  Ambulance 
crews certainly used to be instructed to avoid using them if at all 
possible, especially  when carrying conscious patients.  I'd be 
surprised if this policy has changed.

Regards,

Iain

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:46:00 +0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

Some ambulances and fire engines have been fitted with white noise
generators insrtead of nee-nor things and this works really well. You can
>tell exactly which direction they are comming from. No idea why white noise
>should be more directional than a siren but it is.

Hmmph! Cant see wot wuz wrong wiv bells,meself....

Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:52:02 +0000
Subject: Re: Tax on Parking at work and raod charges.

 AND at the workplace.

aaaaAAAAARRRRGH! Bastards here *already* charge £15 a year for
parking on their miserable campus.AND dont guarantee a parking
space.Yet another good reason for retirement(as if there werent
enough already).Save £15pa for the priveledge of working for them.
And,be it noted,when I first started here (30yrs ago) the limit
of residence was 15miles radius.*Now* its 20miles.Logical eh?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Dave White" <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:35:25 +0000
Subject: Re: ranting about car tax

> A fuel tax is fairest, most easily enforced and most eco-friendly.   I do
> sympathise with disabled drivers and people who live in remote locations.
> But the good of the planet has to come into the equation at some point.

I couldn't agree more - tax on fuel is the best way of taxing drivers, given
that over 80 percent of our current fuel charges is tax - we are already
being taxed to the hilt on our fuel so let's scrap the "tax disc" altogether
and start putting the current revenue from fuel tax into public transport
and stop propping up the NHS with it...

Car owners already pay more than enough tax but we are an easy target - when
tax was put on electricity and gas there was an uproar, put more tax on cars
and we all roll over and take it. The politicians know it, we know it. To
make matters "worse", despite the ever increasing taxes, car use is actually
still increasing.

As for the good of the planet - I agree, if all the money raised from car
and fuel taxes was to be put into public transport, research into new,
cleaner fuel sources and improving air quality the planet as a whole would
benefit. Call me cynical if you like but... Do you really believe that we
can achieve a 20% reduction in CO2 emissions, when transport as a whole only
accounts for 23% of those emissions, by simply taxing car drivers ???

Or how about this for a radical idea - scrap the tax disc, or make it free,
but make it mandatory to have a gas conversion fitted to every vehicle. That
way instead of paying tax over a number of years you pay it once per
vehicle, emissions of all gases are reduced, and the only people to lose out
are the government when the tax revenue from fuel starts to decrease... me
cynical - naaa.

By the way my Landie is tax exempt, my Freelander is a company car, the '80
Rangie is SORNed - I have to pay tax on the '89 Rangie though...

Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
'72 SIII  V8 auto, Range Rover Chassis
'89 Range Rover
'80 Range Rover (For Sale...)
'98 Freelander
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club
<http://www.landie.demon.co.uk/>

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:23:11 -0500
Subject: QE2 / Squatting (Disaster prog on the TV)

> I saw it... Fascinating as you say....... Does this mean that the faster
I
> go in my 110, the more it hugs the ground?... If this theory is correct
then
> why does it steer like a pregnant duck on rollerskates when doing 85mph?

I notice the opposite effect to squatting too.  When I hit a few inches of
water at speed, it LEAVES the ground!
Now when the dogs squats, she leaves a puddle!   'S Funny ole world.

Chris

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:23:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs (No LR content)

> possible, especially  when carrying conscious patients.  I'd be 
> surprised if this policy has changed.

Amb and Fire don't use them for fun as much as the boys in blue.  Fire are
quiter nearer Fire Stations to avoid disturbing locals, than when playing
away.

CJ

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From: Paul Williamson <Hartshay@hartshay.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:45:03 +0000
Subject: Series 3 gearbox

I wonder are the s3 gearbox/clutch in diesel and petrol vehicles are
directly interchangeable?
Paul Williamson

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:43:52 -0000
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Thanks Mike,
I'll have a look for my son ( Iveco just starts first thing :-)>  )
Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:46:34 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Landie search
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>>>>I'm *sure* its not admissible under ARC rules.Or is it?<<<
 if it was, the Iveco engine sure ain't :-)>
Best Cheers

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:31:10 -0000
Subject: Re: Series 3 gearbox

They were when I did it a few years back.   If you are going from diesel to
petrol you should be OK as the diesel clutch is heavier duty.  Petrol to
diesel you may have problems.

>I wonder are the s3 gearbox/clutch in diesel and petrol vehicles are

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: Elwyn York <Elwyn@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:05:14 +0000
Subject: Re: Series 3 gearbox

At 19:45 20/01/99 +0000, you wrote:
>I wonder are the s3 gearbox/clutch in diesel and petrol vehicles are
>directly interchangeable?
>Paul Williamson

I think so, a freinds' S3 (early, 74) G/b & Clutch are, but I think the
clutch had to be upgraded to a larger one for the towing it was used for.

Elwyn
LR S3 '72 (Very Dented) Lightweight. [47 FL 06] 
"Sub Aerodynamic Green Brick" ICQ: 17087824.

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:37:08 -0000
Subject: Re: ranting about car tax

I used to smoke, drink and drive....though not at the same time!

Shite i was paying some tax then....I gave up the first two.....I AM NOT
GIVING UP THE THIRD!!

They'll be taxing nookie next

Loz
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>Car owners already pay more than enough tax but we are an easy target -
when
>tax was put on electricity and gas there was an uproar, put more tax on
cars
>and we all roll over and take it. The politicians know it, we know it. To
>make matters "worse", despite the ever increasing taxes, car use is
actually
>still increasing.

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:36:58 -0000
Subject: Re: VED

RANT MODE ON

I fully concur with Andy's arguments about VED, but as he states that the
decisions are made on a financial basis not by fairness. Unfortunately
things are so muddled in this country, which although apparently having low
taxation (at source) in fact is one of the most taxed nations in Europe. The
simple levying of VED through fuel is an entirely logical method...it taxes
the highest users of the road system, since that is what the tax is supposed
to cover (Road Fund License is what it used to be called), it taxes the
polluters, the high users etc.

Personally I don't give a monkeys toss for the bleating of road
hauliers....they have had it too good for too long with successive
governments who've played pat-a-cake with them, to the detriment of a once
great rail infrastructure. Unfortunately few in Parliament have the balls to
change anything and instead they fart around with first 25 year
exempt...then...oops....er no......pre 1973....er...um......poor
hauliers.....upset.....er ....indecision............er...........

Fairness has nothing to do with it...

As for prices in the supermarket going up...then maybe these massive
multinationals who average 8% margin on EVERYTHING they sell might be forced
to look locally for produce. It makes no sense buying lettuces in Oxford
that were grown in Scotland, when perfectly adequate lettuces are probably
being grown in the next county. Perhaps we would see a return to the
railways promising a more environmentally sound transport infrastructure.

AAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:34:09 -0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

White noise, Black light, blue bulbs that are really white lamps, nee-nahs
and more........

My brain hurts.......

>Some ambulances and fire engines have been fitted with white noise
>generators insrtead of nee-nor things and this works really well. You can
>>tell exactly which direction they are comming from. No idea why white

noise
>>should be more directional than a siren but it is.
>Hmmph! Cant see wot wuz wrong wiv bells,meself....
>Mike Rooth

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:29:39 -0000
Subject: Civilised - was List topics

Iain wrote...

"The Series guys on this list  
reckon they've got the "real" landies but us civilised beings have 
migrated to more bouncy/posterior-friendly coils :-)"

CIVILISED!!!!???!!

Soft more like!!!

That'll get the fur flying......ho..ho

Loz

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:22:49 -0000
Subject: Re: proposed changes to car tax
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My suggestion is that VED (as they fashionably call it - used to be =
simple
Road Tax) should be incorporated into the price of fuel.
That way:
The more miles you travel - the more you pay
The less economical your vehicle (hence the more emissions per mile) - =
the
more you pay
If diesel is shown to be more polluting than petrol- higher tax (VED) =
per
gallon on diesel

That way the people who pay most are the people who use the <<<<<

I agree totaly, another couple of pence would cover third party =
insurance as well.... and I speak as one who drives his 2.5 diesel =
thirty-off thousand miles a year.
It's not only fairer, but it gets rid of tax and insurance evasion at a =
stroke...

Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:24:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
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>>>>tax (VED) per
>gallon on diesel

O.k. But what about businesses, hauliers, etc... They would up the price =
of
their goods and services to the consumer. We would effectively be paying =
twice
for our road tax.

I can't see supermarkets paying extra on the fuel for its lorries, and =
not
passing that price increase onto the customer.
>>>>tax (VED) per

yeah, but they would be saving on road tax and third party insurance =
tho.
Best Cheers

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:52:13 -0000
Subject: Re: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED
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>>>Try Frogs Island 4 x 4.   <<<
dunno about ambulances, but I would always recommend this place. Very =
good quality workmanship...

Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:58:42 -0000
Subject: Re: V8 tuners in Hull?
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don't need a V8 specialist Dave, just a GOOD engine tuner, electronic.

Best Cheers

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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:53:10 +0100
Subject: 110 with V8 documentation

I am in the process of buying a 1986 110 station wagon with a V8 
engine.

If I have understood things properly I need two manuals. 1 for the 
110 and 1 for the V8. Don't Landrover do a manual which includes 
the lot?

Thanks for any and all help.
Neill Hogarth

Nesselwang -
 - in the Bavarian Alps

Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org
ICQ 11799898

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:20:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Series 3 gearbox

In message <bulk.17522.19990120114604@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Paul
Williamson <Hartshay@hartshay.demon.co.uk> writes
>I wonder are the s3 gearbox/clutch in diesel and petrol vehicles are
>directly interchangeable?

or want of a better word YES

-- 
andy Smith

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:17:48 +0100
Subject: Re: List topics

Does anyone actually suscribe to the coilspring list?
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:25:36 +0100
Subject: White noise

Pat wrote:

Some ambulances and fire engines have been fitted with white noise
generators insrtead of nee-nor things and this works really well. You
can
tell exactly which direction they are coming from. No idea why white
noise
should be more directional than a siren but it is.

----

White noise is random noise of equal amounts of all frequencies, as
opposed to sirens which are distinctly medium to low end high tone.
Sirens create echos, white noise doesn't echo as much, so stereophonic
spatial perception (what our ears do when they tell us where a noise is
coming from) works better I would guess. 

Covering the entire audio frequency spectrum (say 50Hz to 20,000 Hz)
white noise sirens will be easier to hear in noisy environments (such as
Land Rovers) as their noise will include some frequencies which will not
be blocked out, phase-cancelled out or drowned out by the acoustic
environment of the listener - or the hearing defaults of the listener.
(Children can normally hear frequencies well over 20,000 cycles, whereas
middle aged men can usually hear up to 14,000 and old er people have
their hearing attenuated above 10KHz. So sirens give a better coverage.

That's my guess... :-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:10:25 -0000
Subject: Re: ranting about car tax

Well said, Loz

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:05:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

Can I suggest that as well as filling in the consultative questionnaire we
do as I have just done. E-mail the PM. I couldn't find my MP's e-mail
address, so I decided that the PM was the next best. Flood-mail the b*stard.
If enough people do it, then we cannot be ignored (well ok, I bet that his
minions only read the e-mail once every full moon when Saturn's ascending
into Uranus, but anything's worth a try. If enough Land Rover owners try to
sway government opinion (thats 1 MP for roughly every ~1000000 people -
representation? Huh!!).

OK having just typed that I realise how futile it really is. It doesn't
matter what we say does it? One day, I swear I'll grow up and realise just
how insignificant I am to the global scheme of things, but until then at
least I'll try.

Notice that I haven't espoused an opinion over VED here. Its just that I
feel we ought to try to do as much as possible. Only those of us who use
pre-1973 vehicles can afford to be smug and ignore it (my wife wouldn't
allow me to buy a two door Rangie, because of the safety of the children).
Even then, beware. The Europeans won't allow such luxuries for long.

Personally, I agree with the extra duty on fuel lobby (if we have to
contribute more to the government's coffers so that they can pay themselves
more, reduce national debt (to look good by the next election), reduce
direct taxation (so that they can look good by the next election), pay lip
service to the ecological problems that will affect us and the next
generations (to look good by the next election)).

Why is it that so many Land Rover owners are so cynical? Is it just because
we've had to put up with such a load of sh*t in terms of build quality for
so long?

<RANT MODE OFF>

Clive
SIII SWB
SIII LWt
RR EFi
(sonn to own SIIa LWt, but don't tell the wife)

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:07:50 -0000
Subject: Re: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED

OK but what's their web address. WWW.FROGSISLAND4X4.COM always reaches a
"username and Password" dialog for me.

Clive
SIII SWB
SIII LWt
RR EFi
Still wonderinghow I'll square the SIIa Lwt with SWMBO

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:42:51 -0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs

OK, Tim,

What I meant was that from the driving position that I (we) enjoy in the
Rangie, they certainly appear to be blue. The colour of the light does not
recede until I am very close to the offending vehicle. Even though I have
recently (with the last 6 months) changed the front springs of the Rangie
for heavy duty ones (hope to do the rear ones on Friday before driving to
Austria for some hot air ballooning and relaxation) I don't think that the
angle of incidence with the windscreen is enough to cause sufficient
refraction for a perceived colour change to occur. And no, I don't drive
that fast (especially backwards). I haven't finished reading Feymann's book
on QED yet either).

They still look blue (OK violet) and I still think its a good reason to
carry the 12 bore.

OK for full headlights, but a little too much for the rest of us for dipped
beam.

Clive
SIII SWB
SIII LWt
RR EFi (Soon to get a new engine)
(Soon to get an SIIa LWt too)

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:44:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Lamps (Was blue tinting)

Tim,

<< It's like people calling them
bulbs as well......   they're lamps. >>

 In the airline industry they are called filaments. (Bulbs grow in gardens, and 
lamps are what genies live in).
 

Paul

Ex- H.M. Coastguard SIII SWB
"Dougal Mc Landie"
B895 OJT (1984)
(Navy Blue with a Yellow Roof)

 

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:44:59 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Do you really believe that a voice can be heard? We have nearly 1,000,000
people per MP. They have their salary (and promotion hopes) to think of.

Well lets hope we achieve democracy sooner rather than later.

Clive

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:33:21 -0000
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>>>>Ambulance
crews certainly used to be instructed to avoid using them if at all
possible, especially  when carrying conscious patients.  I'd be
>>>>Ambulance

sorry lads I couldn't resist this.
Last April, whilst lying wired up in the back of the ambulance I heard =
the driver shouting to the nice man keeping me alive: 'Do we turn here =
or go straight on?', having a vested interest in arriving at the right =
place and as soon as possible, I levered myself up on one arm, looked =
out of the window and gave him directions!!!!
D'you know, it's only now struck me as funny.........
Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:24:36 -0000
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>>>It's all getting a bit political....   Anyone got any good Land Rover
questions ?
>>>It's all getting a bit political....   Anyone got any good Land Rover

not a question, Tim, but I'm taking an MP (a personal friend) =
off-roading in my Land Rover this weekend.... LR and political content =
:-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
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