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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:10:38 -0000
Subject: Re: LandRover Conversion to Ambulance - INFO NEEDED

Yes, it's still under construction.    The e-mail is working, but in all
honesty you're better off talking directly to them for a custom job.

Give Ed a call on 01491 824020, he's the man to talk to.   Tell them I sent
you !

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

>"username and Password" dialog for me.

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:37:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Civilised - was List topics

In reply to my heretic comments...
> "The Series guys on this list  
> reckon they've got the "real" landies but us civilised beings have 
> migrated to more bouncy/posterior-friendly coils :-)"

Loz burst out...

> CIVILISED!!!!???!!

> Soft more like!!!

Guilty milord!
It's really tough what 90/110 owners have to put up with though...,  
a heater that actually works,  a stereo you can hear at 70 (let alone 
50), a right pedal that increases your speed with some perception 
(ok, ok,  we know about V8s., but  this is cheating in a Series), 
29mpg, .... etc, etc,

I can probably find a hair shirt to send you if you insist Loz.

Ah well...,  flame-proof kit on and into the bunker I suppose. :-)

Regards,

Iain

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From: d.p.round@bangor.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:43:10 GMT
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> Do you really believe that a voice can be heard? We have nearly 1,000,000
> people per MP. They have their salary (and promotion hopes) to think of.
> Well lets hope we achieve democracy sooner rather than later.

Democracy: A pack of wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner

:) David

******        David Round - EMail  round@bangor.ac.uk             ******
*****These are my own views, I represent nobody (Well maybe myself)*****
***********I guarantee nothing - Particularly the spelling**************

       

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:54:04 +0000
Subject: MP's, PM's and VED. (no ranting)

hello all,

Don't worry I'm not about to have a rant. I'm in the process of getting the 
list_digest for this week.

I thought it might be a good idea to edit out all names etc and non VED content.
Then send the whole 900 million Meg's worth to the PM at No. 10.

Anyone got any objections....ideas...comments?

Orlando.
>.

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From: "David Levett" <dlevett@pc.jaring.my>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:15:10 +0800
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

What is the PM's E-Mail address?

>Can I suggest that as well as filling in the consultative questionnaire we
>do as I have just done. E-mail the PM

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:22:24 -0000
Subject: Re: MP's, PM's and VED. (no ranting)

>I thought it might be a good idea to edit out all names etc and non VED
content.
>Then send the whole 900 million Meg's worth to the PM at No. 10.

You can leave my name in......  and my e-mail address.....   I'm not afraid
of them.......

<do you think I should try to get more sleep ?>

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:26:13 +0000
Subject: Re[4]: proposed changes to car tax

>What is the PM's E-Mail address?

Dunno - still snooping for that one....wait out.

;~)

Orlando....

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:38:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Tax on Parking at work and raod charges.

> aaaaAAAAARRRRGH! Bastards here *already* charge u15 a year for
> parking on their miserable campus.AND dont guarantee a parking
> space.
Here we have a sliding scale.  I pay over 50ukp per year to park 
anywhere near the medical school.  And there's a waiting list of 
about 5 years for prime spots and again no guarantee!!  I don't think 
we have a limit of residence, at least not one that is ever enforced. 
 I've never heard of that before.  Will we still be taxed on parking 
even if we pay for it? I don't consider it a perk to pay over 50 
pounds a year?  One of the other sites (joint Health 
Trust/University) charges over 150 pounds for a permit and there is a 
very stiff selection procedure (my wife didn't qualify even though we 
live 15 miles away and it would take her two hours to get to work by 
bus).  However they offer a 2 pound/day rebate if you don't find a 
space (put it towards to 40 pound fine or 150 pound tow-charge 
perhaps?).  Sorry no LR content but I'm not sure I can even write 
about it without being taxed!!

Cheers
Peter.

Yet another good reason for retirement(as if there werent

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:45:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Series 3 gearbox

Paul wrote:
> I wonder are the s3 gearbox/clutch in diesel and petrol vehicles are
> directly interchangeable?
No, not always.  All diesels have 9.5 inch diaphragm clutch which 
locates on three dowels on the flywheel.  This was only an option on 
petrols, many of them will have 9 inch clutches.  You can swap them 
but it involves minor modification.
Cheers
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: chris.mokes@symbian.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:59:59 GMT
Subject: Re[5]: proposed changes to car tax 

     http://www.labour.org.uk/contacts/index.html
     
     Gives contact details.  No email address unfortunately.

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:48:47 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

PM@nobloodyclue.no10.gov

worth a try

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From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:01:03 -0500
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> Do you really believe that a voice can be heard? We have nearly 1,000,000
> people per MP. They have their salary (and promotion hopes) to think of.
> Well lets hope we achieve democracy sooner rather than later.

No, nearer 100,000 per MP 635 MPs (?) and 60M pop.
And if only 1 in a thousand write, (if that) then 1 in a 100 is where it
has some small impact. But we are still not decided ourselves in which way
it should go.  But MPs are not very good at listening. They have two ears,
one mouth. They should use in same proportions.

Dunnow whether I said before, but it's against Natural justice to buy a
vehicle with one engine size, then they change the structure
retrospectively, they should do it for new purchasors, so you can make
informed decisions when you buy.

Also 1.4 cars can consume more fuel than 1.6 models of same type.  So
because it has a slightly larger engine does not mean it's necessarily more
Env-unfriendly. Speed and how it's driven are bigger factors, under driver
control, fuel based reflects that, - but not to the Co. car driver so much,
they just fill up, on co's card.

> pre-1973 vehicles can afford to be smug and ignore it 
Is that set in stone?

CJ

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:42:58 -0000
Subject: Landrover mechanics in NW Wales

Ifyou were in the Bangor/Anglesey region (as I know at least one 
reader of the list is..........) and you wanted to get your landrover 
fixed by someone who understood Landrovers and didnt charge LR 
Dealer prices, who would you take it to?

There has to be someone cos the area is covered with LRs and  
farmers aint going to pay Dealer prices!!!!!

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:45:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Tax on Parking at work and raod charges.

\aaaaAAAAARRRRGH! Bastards here *already* charge £15 a year 
\for
\parking on their miserable campus.AND dont guarantee a parking
\space.Yet another good reason for retirement(as if there werent
\enough already).Save £15pa for the priveledge of working for them.

Here too. Since theyre unilaterally deducting money from my wage 
for the priviladge of working for them, I uniaterally deduct a nice 
warm sunny day when I prefer to be doing something else.......... 

They lose money on this exchange.........

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From: Jeremy Hendy <JPH1@symbionics.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:20 -0000
Subject: Series III SWB tyres

I'm going to take the plunge and go for some General Grabber APs on the SWB
Series III.

Questions are:

- Am I right that I'll need tubes with the original LR rims ?
- I need to repaint the wheels at some stage.  Can I get away with doing
this with the tyres on ?
- Is there a burning reason why I shouldn't stick with the 205R16 original
size ?
- Any recommendations as to where I should get them (round Cambridge way or
mail order) ?

Cheers

Jeremy.

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:57:53 +0000
Subject: DVLA......website

Help!

In my attempts to infultrate and corrupt the DVLA website, I got lost.

                Where is this damn VED thingy?

Orlando.

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:40:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

Searching Yahoo last night, the e-mail address that I found was
NewLabour@rocketmail.com. Seems a bit generic, but you never know.

Clive

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:39:41 +0000
Subject: Re: DVLA......website

Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk wrote:

> In my attempts to infultrate and corrupt the DVLA website, I got lost.
>                 Where is this damn VED thingy?

I've just been looking and can't find it either. It was there yesterday
'cos I filled it in!
I was looking on: http://www.open.gov.uk/dvla/dvla.htm
I found the following on the treasury pages:

Responses to the consultation, to reach the Driver and Vehicle
     Licensing Agency by 31 January 1999, should be sent to:

     ENVIRONMENTAL VED CONSULTATION
     B1
     DVLA
     Longview Road
     Swansea
     SA6 7 JL

     Fax 01792 782056

     To make it easier to analyse responses, replies by email to

          vehpol.dvla@gtnet.gov.uk

     or, better still, over the internet using the electronic
     version of this document at

          http://www.open.gov.uk/dvla/dvla.htm

     would be welcome.

Cheers..
Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
1962 88" 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:45:35 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>No, nearer 100,000 per MP 635 MPs (?) and 60M pop.

OK. I spotted that one this morning. Its much closer to 1 to every 100,000
(then again, some wards are much bigger than others).

Problem is, with proportions of that magnitude, then public accountability
becomes laughable. We're not a technically backward country, even if some of
us do enjoy the simplicity of Land Rovers (go some content in, there). Its
surely not beyond our wit to come up with a better way?

Dunno.

Clive

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:05:19 EST
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 21-01-99 4:46:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d.p.round@bangor.ac.uk writes:

 Democracy: A pack of wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner
 
 :) David >>

Some thoughts about the origin of words:  If the word poly comes from the
Greek and means many, and a tick is a (at least in North America) blood
sucking parasite,  what then is politics?  

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:07:38 +0000
Subject: Re: DVLA......website

> I've just been looking and can't find it either. It was there yesterday
> 'cos I filled it in!
> I was looking on: http://www.open.gov.uk/dvla/dvla.htm
Thats right to start with.  There was a link (bottom right I think) 
taking you to consultation documents.  Try following that and see 
where it gets you.
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:31:56 -0000
Subject: VED

I note all the arguments from people about VED. The ONLY logical fair method
that properly reflects the complex equation of vehicle type, size, engine
capacity, driving style, maintained status, annual mileage etc. is to place
VED on fuel...

I would be interested to know how much is earned by the Govt. on VED alone
LESS the cost of collecting and enforcing the tax. I'll bet next years
salary that it is less than the amount the Govt. pays to arms dealers whose
bills are not paid by bankrupt torturing third world banana republics.

Loz

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From: "Loz" <loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:38:15 -0000
Subject: Re: Civilised - was List topics

Ah...Iain

But its like being on the edge all the time.....too cold to relax...too
noisy to sleep....too bumpy to slouch

You see us Series drivers are seeking to minimise road accidents caused by
drivers falling asleep. You coiler boys all cossetted in your RRs and stuff
are falling asleep as you drive, thats why you need ABS, traction control
etc.

Now series drivers can really drive....no computers doing the work for us!

Head down....duck....here comes the flak!!!!

Loz

PS: I love a bloody good wind up!!

>In reply to my heretic comments...
>> "The Series guys on this list
>> reckon they've got the "real" landies but us civilised beings have
>> migrated to more bouncy/posterior-friendly coils :-)"
>Loz burst out...
>> CIVILISED!!!!???!!
>> Soft more like!!!
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
>Regards,
>Iain

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:33:16 +0000
Subject: Comments about VED

Does anybody object if I copy *all* the related threads from todays
21/1/99 list-mail and post them collectively to the DVLA?

It will not do any good but the general feeling may be got across that
they are a wunch of bankers and they should scrap ved and put a levy on
fuel instead.

I personnaly believe that the decision has already been made by the DVLA
(whatever happened to democratic accountability?) and the Govt. in its
infinite wisdom will implement that policy - after all there *was*
consultation ... 

I'll take no 'Go away for my ramblings are for thine ears only and how
darest thou breachest my copyright' messages as everybody is happy (or
unhappy depending on which way you look at it) and I'll post it.

One comment for the road ... Isn't there the slightest hint of corrupt
practice involved when a Govt agency (unelected) is looking at
alternative methods of carrying out a task when it itself currently does
that task? It's a bit like asking a motor manufacturer whether everybody
should be forced to use cycles instead of cars. Old synic? Me?
-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:18:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Civilised

 
> But its like being on the edge all the time.....too cold to relax...too
> noisy to sleep....too bumpy to slouch

Ah, nostalgia, I remember it well.
 
> You see us Series drivers are seeking to minimise road accidents caused by
> drivers falling asleep.

Do Series LRs go fast enough for it to matter?

 >You coiler boys all cossetted in your RRs and stuff
> are falling asleep as you drive, thats why you need ABS, traction control
> etc.

How many 90s/110s have you seen with ABS etc? (before the TD5 that 
is).  Valid argument for RRs, Disco's etc though...  :-)

> Now series drivers can really drive....no computers doing the work for us!

Again,  Do Series LRs go fast enough for it to matter?  My 110 has 3 
black boxes (as far as I know) and none take control from the driver. 
(Engine-ECU, EGR and Alarm-ECU).
> Head down....duck....here comes the flak!!!!

I'm getting out of here before the RRs, Discos, FLs  join in!

Regards,

Iain

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:26:16 +0000
Subject: Re: DVLA......website

Peter Estibeiro wrote:

> Thats right to start with.  There was a link (bottom right I think)
> taking you to consultation documents.  Try following that and see
> where it gets you.

Quite right! Must be going blind, with bouncing around in a Series
motor.
It's at:

http://www.open.gov.uk/dvla/vedcon.htm

Another site with open discussion is:

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/public/interact/index.html

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
1962 88" 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:17:01 EST
Subject: Re: Civilised - was List topics

In a message dated 1/21/99 7:43:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
loz@loz.softnet.co.uk writes:

<< You see us Series drivers are seeking to minimise road accidents caused by
 drivers falling asleep. You coiler boys all cossetted in your RRs and stuff
 are falling asleep as you drive, thats why you need ABS, traction control
 etc. >>

No flak from me.  I've noticed that since I've started driving the Series on a
regular basis (24 miles each way to work), I've generally a slower driver when
I drive the Discovery or any other vehicle.  I asked another friend who is in
a similar situation and he had the same comments.

Now, I reserve my hi-speed driving for rental cars in other states.  :-)

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:54:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Comments about VED

I don't mind if anything I've said is passed on to the DVLA.  Having 
said that I haven't commented on VED today so here goes.  Tax on fuel 
seems the fairest method.  You pay for any environmental damage 
incurred either on road or when engaging in motorsport in untaxed 
vehicles.  The mechanisms are in place to collect such tax.  
Arguments to the effect that there would then be no means of ensuring 
MOT and insurance are rubbish.  Historic vehicles pay no tax but 
owners still have to produce certificates and display a (free) disc.  
Extend this system to all vehicles and there should be no difficulty. 
 Again the mechanism is in place to administer this and some of the 
new fuel tax could fund it.  Where is the problem?  Someone commented 
that although hauliers would be hit they would pass on increased 
costs to the shopper but that this increase would reflect the 
environmental damage incurred by transporting the goods.  Quite 
right, so it should.  It may encourage consumption of locally grown 
produce and where's the harm in that?  Bus companies could either get 
a rebate or buy tax-free diesel in bulk.  The cost of public 
transport has to be reduced and the quality increased to get people 
to use it.  Electric or gas buses in urban areas would improve air 
quality in congested areas.  Arguments that electric buses just shift 
the polution to the area near the powerstation are valid and I'm 
interested to know how efficient it is to generate electric and run a 
bus compared to running a bus directly on a fossil fuel.  

Disabled people and people in remote areas are trickier.  Disabled 
people should get a rebate.  Could this be in the form of a travel 
allowance?  Perhaps equivalent to the estimated extra fuel tax per 
year for an average family car doing average milage.  That would seem 
fair.  I have less sympathy with people in remote areas.  Many choose 
to live there and many commute to towns to work.  These would be the 
people hardest hit, not those who live and work in the area and shop 
locally.  I choose to live out of town myself, and I accept that I 
pay for petrol and pay for parking to drive to work.  I also know 
that my mortgage is much much less than it would be if I lived in 
Edinburgh, within walking distance of work.  Thus the total cost of 
living is probably about the same, you just choose how to distribute 
your outgoings.

I think thats about the end of todays monologue.  If you've read this 
far I thank you!  I don't mind if my name is associated with any of 
the above but please don't quote bits of it in such a way as to alter 
the meaning.

Cheers
Peter.

 
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:27:58 +0100
Subject: Re: car tax/cynical/LPG

First, a (dumb?) question: what is 'VED'? (Yes I know what 'VD' stands for)

 Clive Taylor wrote:
(snip)... "Only those of us who use pre-1973 vehicles can afford to be smug
"and ignore it.(...) The Europeans won't allow such luxuries for long.

-Well Clive, over here in Holland, cars over 25 yrs. of age are still
 tax-exempt, this will hopefully stay that way (at least untill March 1999 :)

"Personally, I agree with the extra duty on fuel lobby 
-Me too.

"Why is it that so many Land Rover owners are so cynical?
-Perhaps it is the other way around: cynical people buy Land-Rovers...
 (notice the "-" =coil sprung days...)
 
 With my vacation to England in mind, bought meself a guide to LPG-stations
 in Europe. With all the debates going on, cannot help asking:
 *Why is it that LPG is not so popular in the UK? AND more expensive?*
 ( one litre= NLF 0.70  / in England: NLF 1.10 or thereabouts )

 a) it is basically a waste-product, therefore very cheap (without the tax)
 b) it is much more eco-friendly
 c) it is safer when installed properly.
 d) the average petrol-engine will run smoother
There are some down-sides I somehow cannot think of right now...
Oh, there's one: exhaust-valves tend to burn up eventually, this can
however be remedied. Don't forget to fit "hotter" plugs.

I will be fitting a LPG-tank in my FFR, thus making it affordable to drive
(when it becomes tax-exempt next March, that is)

There's my 2p.

Marijn
SIII-109-FFR ex-UK Royal Engineers
Member of EMLRA

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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:43:20 -0000
Subject: Re: V8 tuners in Hull?

>don't need a V8 specialist Dave, just a GOOD engine tuner, electronic.

Do most of the 'Hometune' types have the knowledge to sort out the balanced
carbs? I guess the rest of it is just standard stuff....

Dave

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From: Gordonkerr@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:45:15 EST
Subject: Re: 110 with V8 documentation

In a message dated 20/01/99 21:53:59 GMT Standard Time,
Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org writes:

>  If I have understood things properly I need two manuals. 1 for the 
>  110 and 1 for the V8. Don't Landrover do a manual which includes 
>  the lot?

Land Rover do a workshop manual which covers the lot but it is not cheap 
(over 40 ukp here in the uk).

The cheap and cheerful Haynes manual on the 90/110 only covers the diesels

Gordon
98 Disco Safari Tdi - 87 90 County V8
Bedford

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From: Chris Jones <chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Series III advice needed

Patrick Colbeck wrote:

> My requirements are a for a daily commute of 15 miles each way (on country
> roads - single track for the first 2 miles) and the occasional longer trip
> usually one or twice a month which could be up to 150 miles each way. This
> leads to the question what is the realistic cruising speed on a motorway of
> a Series III 2.25 petrol, it doesnt matter for commuting but for those long
> trips 50mph would be a pain if thats all it will do.

As the proud owner of an ex-MoD Series III 109 (2.25 petrol) for nearly
four months now, I've been surprised to find I've nearly done 3000 miles
in it (time for another oil change), much of which has been long
journeys. On the motorway, a comfortable cruising speed is about 55mph
(I have no overdrive) which coincides nicely with all the trucks, so
driving is very low-stress: there's no worrying about overtaking to do!
Surprisingly there's still power in reserve for going up hills - I
stayed over 50 all the way up Shap on the M6 just after Christmas. My
record for fuel economy was 21mpg (ish) over 200 miles, with a tailwind.
If I set off in a straight line and keep my foot down, it does get to 70
eventually but I don't think it's wise to carry on at that speed. One
day I'll find an overdrive and be able to swan along at breathtaking
speeds (ahem) but then I'll have to fix the brakes...

Chris

-- 
Chris Jones - chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk
http://www.stumpie.demon.co.uk/

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From: The Bickertons <Bickerton@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:33:25 -0500
Subject: Taxing problem

In my ideal situation, free 25-yr tax would stay, and diesel would drop to
the price of red (guess who's got the 1972 S3 diesel?)

As far as I can see, the roads have to be repaired, and the money must come
from somewhere. Fuel is already heavily taxed (~55p/litre on petrol,
50p/litre on diesel) which goes into government coffers and the VED 'goes
towards paying for the upkeep of the highways'. Even if we ignore the
massive fight to get any work done on BOATs, RUPPs, there is a massive
excess from the total VEDs collected after the roads for the year have been
maintained (all spent on coning off serviceable
lanes/carriageways/junctions of motorway with no visible workmen?). We are
already one of the most heavily taxed nations in the EU, never mind the
world - just look at the price of fuel in the US, where 4.7litre V8s are 'a
sensible size'.

Next comes the argument for older vehicles on the road, especially my
LandRover. Making a vehicle uses a massive amount of energy, loading up the
power stations nicely. They belch more fumes rearranging plastic, metal and
ether making a small (eg. Fiesta) car than it will produce if it runs for
100 years. None-stop. At full load. Ouch. Encouraging newer cars onto the
roads just means that the economy keeps ticking over nicely, esp. if we can
export a couple as well. If VED is moved over onto (already overpriced)
fuel then surely concessions should be made for the age of the vehicle. No,
I don't know how to enforce this, but if another solution is required (and
I think the current disc is a fairly good setup) I think this is as good.

Failing all this I'll get a 50cc mop(ed) and bump up the NHS bill instead
by falling under the wheels of an impoverished, unlicenced, uninsured and
untrained (can't double-declutch) stolen Series 1.

DISCLAIMER: Most or all of the above is dribble, with no basis whatsoever
on this planet. If it is quoted anywhere it should be figuratively ripped
to pieces to maintain the credibility of the reviewing author.

John B

PS: It'll be reet - there's a farmer near here who says he buys diesel for
60.9p/litre. Keeps dropping red felt-tips in it, and then he's scared to
use it then, so he sells it me cheap.....

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:59:30 -0000
Subject: Re: car tax/cynical/LPG

Marijn,

I wish you well trying to find LPG in the UK. If you're arriving by ferry to
Dover, then Sandwich is probably the closest. If  you're coming in via
Harwich (which I suppose is more logical from Holland), then I haven't the
slightest idea.

I truly hope that the rest of Europe does still keep older vehicles
tax-exempt. Here, the con was well in place before anyone could notice it.
Its not 25 years old...its pre-1973 (that is its not a rolling age).

Perhaps we may meet at Billing. I hope so (look out for the CDs around the
neck).

Clive

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From: "Malcolm Woodruff" <woodruff@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:10:28 +0000
Subject: V8 Carbs

I have a 1983 V8 110 CSW with Zenith carbs. The needles are worn, I seem to
have trouble getting decent diaphragms and have great difficulty in setting
them up correctly. I have been thinking of changing to a Webber but have
heard that they give out on steep slopes. Is this true? Is it worth
changing? If not can anyone tell me how to set my existing carbs up?

Malcolm Woodruff

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:04:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 110 with V8 documentation

>>  If I have understood things properly I need two manuals. 1 for the 
>>  110 and 1 for the V8. Don't Landrover do a manual which includes 
>>  the lot?

There is always the Brooklands manual which covers 90/110 and all engines
from 1983. About the same cost as Haynes but the content is from the LR
workshop manuals. Obviously not in quite as much detail but more than
enough for most I would guess.

Allan

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