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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 08:30 GMT
Subject: Re: LPG

There is a website for LPG sites in the UK, 

 http://www.autogas.co.uk/stations.htm
 

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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From: Leigh Ryder <leigh@tcpub.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:23:28 +0000
Subject: Re: car tax/cynical/LPG

In article <bulk.13609.19990121092914@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Marijn van
der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net> writes
> With my vacation to England in mind, bought meself a guide to LPG-stations
> in Europe. With all the debates going on, cannot help asking:
> *Why is it that LPG is not so popular in the UK? AND more expensive?*
> ( one litre= NLF 0.70  / in England: NLF 1.10 or thereabouts )

A useful contact is the LPG Association, their fax number is 01425
471131, if they won't send youan up to date list of LPG filling
stations, I'll send you mine.

Where did you get your guide to Europe from and how much did it cost?

-- 
Leigh Ryder

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From: Steve Reddock <Steve@Reddock.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:32:18 +0000
Subject: Email for MPs

This is supposedly a full listing of MPs and their email addresses.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/almsad.htm

The bloke in number 10 does not list an email address.

Speaking of him, has anybody noticed more than a passing resemblance to
Butthead (or is it Beavis?), especially before his hair style changed...

Steve

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From: Bruce Napier <b.napier@bangor.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:48:47 +0000
Subject: Land Rover mechs in NW Wales

As I've said, I'm a newby, and haven't so far had to use the services of a
professional mech, but the Rover I have was well restored by: Ken Bridges,
Unit 1, Pentraeth Industrial Estate, Pentraeth, Anglesey, phone 01248
450470.

He has a GV MoT Test station, so knows his way round sensibly sized vehicles.

Dave Pound on this list probably has more clue than me, though.

Sorry if this is a slow response - I read this list as the digest.

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce Napier
IMSCaR
University of Wales, Bangor
***********************
1980 88" SIII: Neat and tidy
***********************

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From: "Malcolm Woodruff" <surface@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:45:09 +0000
Subject: LPG

There is also a useful list of LPG stations at
http://www.chersoft.co.uk/lpg/england.htm

although I have found some errors, so ring first. In Ireland there are more
stations and a good list is available at http://www.flogas.irl

I took a trip to Scotland during the summer, via Billing, and found gas
stations few and far between. They are also very variable in price,
generally around 39-40p per litre but here in Southampton 48p. The same in
Salisbury and 49p in Cardiff. Generally these stations blame Calor for the
high prices but I have not been able to confirm this. My suspicion is that
some people are making a lot of money. Around Leeds it seems almost as easy
to get as petrol.

I have another 110 which I would like to convert but the local price means
it is not worth it. Several friends with V8s are also interested but wont
convert at a gas price of 48p. Chicken and egg!

Malcolm Woodruff

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:33:48 +0000
Subject: V8 carbs

In message <bulk.28716.19990122000633@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>I have a 1983 V8 110 CSW with Zenith carbs. The needles are worn, I seem to
>have trouble getting decent diaphragms and have great difficulty in setting
>them up correctly. I have been thinking of changing to a Webber but have
>heard that they give out on steep slopes. Is this true? Is it worth
>changing? If not can anyone tell me how to set my existing carbs up?

Assuming these are some version of Stromberg CD, what's the problem with
diaphrams? These are widely available. I know Zenith no longer
manufacture the seats (jets or whatever you want to call them) but they
will put you in touch with a manufacturer who can! Our local 'carb
specialist' is Smarts AutoParts in Norwich and they seem to be able to
supply most stuff at reasonable cost. RPi probably will as well, but I
wouldn't imagine their prices are as competitive.

What exactly is the problem setting them up? If you have a service
manual and follow it through STRICTLY from start to finish, they should
be *reasonably* well set up. The important thing is to make sure that
you're not dropping new needles onto excessively worn seats - replace
them as well and make sure the needles are centralised. There's always
the possibility that you've got a duff carb ...

I wouldn't touch Webber if you're off-roading but that's personal
preference. My mate would tell you to fit SU's ... another mate would
tell you that there's nothing better than Strombergs on a V8 LandRover!
You pays your money ...
-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: "Davidge, Anthony" <antony_davidge@merck.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:04:57 -0500
Subject: leaves v coils

I read the recent debate(?) regarding leaves and coils, soft or hard on the
digest this morning with much interest. After setting off for work at 6:15
this morning and spending half an hour trying to get the S2a started, with
the handle (didn't notice I'd knocked the cut off switch :+( resulting in a
not so impressive battery turn  ). I had the pleasant journey of 50+ miles
into work, in freezing fog, which entailed frequent rest breaks, to take the
opportunity to remove ice from the windscreen (inside and out), much
stamping of feet (why does the transmission tunnel get so warm in summer,
but has no effect in winter?), removal of the obligatory 'dew drop' from
ones nose and clenching of zippo in hands to get it warm enough to work. 

I think it's correct to say,  that only real men would drive a series in
such conditions - which is why I wished the 90's engine had lasted till the
summer -  just think I could of had heat, clear windscreen, heat, music,
heat, - did I say heat. But then I would of missed out in the '' I remember
when'' stories to tell the children/grandchildren/spouse/SO/bloke down pub
etc.  :+)

Tony (who has just got feeling back in he's feet/hands)

S2a - with ice everywhere except a small patch on the bonnet
90'' - with a big hole where the engine should be.      

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:41:41 +0000
Subject: Re: LPG

> I have another 110 which I would like to convert but the local price means
> it is not worth it. Several friends with V8s are also interested but wont
> convert at a gas price of 48p. Chicken and egg!
Can you give me a rough idea of how much it costs to convert?  Also, 
I was under the impression that for various reasons  it was much 
easier to convert an injected engine is this true?

Peter.

 
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:31:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:25:23 -0000
Subject: Re: Tax on Parking at work and raod charges.

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:21:13 -0000
Subject: Re: Civilised - was List topics

>You see us Series drivers are seeking to minimise road accidents caused by
>drivers falling asleep. You coiler boys all cossetted in your RRs and stuff
>are falling asleep as you drive, thats why you need ABS, traction control
>etc.

Hmm... Even though I drive a 110, I must agree, all these bells and whistles
(ABS etc etc), are just devices
that encourage sloppy driving.

Without them, you have to drive properly.

With them you can be a sloppy driver, as these "get you out of trouble"
devices, allow you to push your luck further and still be able to get out of
the situation!.

In the end its no excuse, and good driving standards are better than a
device than could fail when you need it most!.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

This note is copyright of Geoff Wilkin and should not be published
elsewhere in whole or part without the strict agreement of the author.

EMail      geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com
Homepage - http://www.btinternet.com/~geoff.wilkin - (Site REVAMPED 18 Sept
'97)
All views expressed are my own and are no-one elses! (or so I am told).

'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:05:17 +0000
Subject: VED (tax!) on fuel ...

Quick set of figures for those who are interested - very rough but they
give the general idea (not an arguement for or against)

Assume:
1) the average motor does 10000 miles/year
2) the Govt. want to raise, on average, 300 pounds tax per vehicle
3) the average vehicle does 30 mpg

Then,

gallons consumed per year = 10000/30 = 333

At 300 pounds per year, ved/gallon= 0.90 pounds
at 4.54 l/g, this equates to just under 20p/l at the pump.

Does this sound more terrifying than 300 pounds tax or do people still
believe this is the best 'incentive to use vehicles less' and collect
from 'those that still do'?

This of course assumes that the in-built saving to the exchequer of not
administering such an awful system as the VED disc is not taken into
account...

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: Anthony Cornell-Hewlett <Tony.Cornell-Hewlett@Bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:11:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

Transferring VED to fuel would be a sound idea as it would stop evasion of
the tax, no matter who buys fuel the tax would be collected.  Whether it
be from foreign visitors driving over here of somebody just getting fuel
for their chainsaw or grass cutter and lets face it if the VED is being
increased due to the environmental effect of fuel emissions, small two
stroke engines are probably just as bad as a V8 proportionally also why
should visitors to Great Britain get away with pollution at no cost!

However, current tax would not be reduced on fuel and will no doubt
increase!  Therefore if VED was transferred to fuel and say 40 litres of
fuel are used on average per week and extra 0.50p whould have to be put on
the current price in order to obtain an average of 208.00 VED recovery per
year per vehicle, although due to the extra income from areas who wouldn't
normally pay road tax the dvla would be quids in.

But at least 1.12p for a litre of petrol!  The would be a number of
positive and negeative effects of this, to name but a few:

1.	Anyone using petrol/diesel would be taxed (pollution control)

2.	Other alternatives to transport may be used.  If cheaper than
	running a car (currently it is cheaper for me to transport the
	family with the V8 than use public transport)

3.      Prices of commodities that involve transport will be increased
	effecting the shopping basket.

4.	A lobby of people who use fuel for running generators, cement
	mixers, and other motorised equipment not used on roads may be formed.

5.	etc etc.

It is a ridiculous argument that VED is increased proprtionally to engine
size, as those people with larger engines probably monitor their fuel
consumption due to the existing cost (and probably more likely to
look for alternatives such as convert to LPG etc) ie it's not necessarily
the size of the engine but the amount of usage (Company cars are probably the
bigest polluters at no costs to the actual driver apart from his tax band).

This all just stinks of the Government coffers raising taxes for more
funds and trying to justify it to the voting public as an environmental
fight.  If people reduced their use of cars, the tax on fuel and VED will
not be coming, let alone corporation tax and income tax
associated with the motor industry, therefore taxes would be raised in
some other capacity regardless of its effect on the environment.
Obviously once everyone has converted to LPG there will be increases in
tax in that area.

Thats my bitch, I'd sooner sell the Fiesta to pay for the beloved V8 VED
then lose her.  Maybe I'll just leave the country now that Europe is open
and cheaper and less populated then the UK

TONY C-H

1987 V8 County 90 (runs as sweet as a nut,  used for club meets and towing
a horse box, unlike the smokey old polluting 1600 fiesta that is
used for communting 30 miles to work everyday)

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From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:34:41 -0800
Subject: Re:Government stupidity

    Everything the government does is to win votes.  I want to know who they 
think will vote for
them given the good job they are doing of messing everything up, please tell me 
there is not that
many stupid people in this country - if there is I'm emigrating.
    As for the environmental effect of the tax proposals, thats a big pile of 
sh*t.  Given the fact
that cars use more energy in manufacture than over their life forcing older 
cars of the road is no
good.  If the 25year exemption is constant accross Europe then can our lack of 
it be challenged in
the European courts?
    Here's a suggestion, lets put tax up on ciggarrettes to £20 a packet, it 
would clean up the
environment in pubs, clubs, restaurants and other public places and save the 
NHS loads of money.
And then lets do the same with alcohol - instant 20% reduction in road 
accidents, violent crime goes
down as does heart and liver disorders and the NHS saves even more 
money(16000violent alcohol
related incidents a year).  Don't believe me, then take a wander into your 
local A+E on a saturday
night and play spot the drunk - keeps the family amused for hours.  Then 
perhaps motorists might see
some of the 80% of motoring taxes that the government pisses up the wall.
    After that we tax power stations, ships and aircraft based on polution 
because I bet the average
supertanker uses more fuel than all the Land Rovers in Sulihull.
    Question, if a Unimog is rated to haul 900tons (!) on rail and only 10 or 
so on road does that
mean that rail have much less friction?  And thus use much less fuel?  So isn't 
road haulage bad for
the environment?  Am I the only one who can see this?
    This week I have done about 15miles in my SIII but on the odd busy weekend 
I can do 400, my
yearly average doesn't exceed 10,000 miles, so why do I pay the same VED as 
someone who does 50,000
miles a year?  Lets put a VED into fuel to make everone pay proportionately.
    Can anyone see any of this happening?  No, thought not.
    At the next election lets vote the Monster Raving Loony Party into power, 
that way we might just
see some sensible policy suggestions.

TIM
'84 SIII Diesel (27mpg - If I take it easy)

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From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:20:16 -0800
Subject: Re: Dvla form

I've just filled in the form, and it is far to biased.  I think the decision 
has already been made.
TIM
'84SIII Diesel

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:00:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Government stupidity

Timothy Coles wrote:
>     Everything the government does is to win votes.  I want to know who they 
think will vote for
> them given the good job they are doing of messing everything up, please tell 
me there is not that
> many stupid people in this country - if there is I'm emigrating.

I tried emigrating 25 years ago, but they weren't British so I came
back, pubs weren't right either!
But I couldn't agree more with what you say, why is it that most of my
mates would agree as well and the vast majority of voters don't seem to?
I can't believe all the people I know are the only ones with any common
sense in this country but it would appear so. If everyone else thought
the same way then we wouldn't have the problems we appear to have.
Then again, maybe half the problems are the way the media report the
happenings in the country, like the way we talk about our Landys, we
know they are uncomfortable, difficult to drive, always needing some
work on them but what we say is that they have character and bring out
the best in owners who lovingly spend hours and pounds looking after
them, its just a way of looking at things!
I've never had much confidence in British politicians since Beeching saw
the railways off and Harold Wilson's lot cancelled TSR2, not to mention
Maggie Thatcher and British manufacturing!
Enough ............. back to the pub!

Mick Forster
1972 109" Series III Safari 2.25 petrol
1962 88"  Series IIa 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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From: "Malcolm Woodruff" <surface@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:34:38 +0000
Subject: re LPG
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

"Can you give me a rough idea of how much it costs to convert?  Also, 
I was under the impression that for various reasons  it was much 
easier to convert an injected engine is this true?"

Cost of converting my 110 V8 with carbs was about =A31200. Had a previous
version done for =A3850 but it proved badly done, poor equipment and rather
dangerous so I had it ripped out. My understanding is that the fuel injecte=
d
systems are more sophisticated and the mpg is better but the conversion is
slightly more expensive. The car runs well on gas, it is quieter and no
difference in performance. We do however get about 15% less mpg.

My advice is, if you decide to convert, go to a well recognised supplier
(try Autogas 2000 for names) and make sure the tuning is perfect before it
is converted. Then expect about 10-15% less mpg. My better half wrote an
article for our club magazine on our conversion. If you are interested I ca=
n
email it to you.

Malcolm Woodruff

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:15:39 +0100
Subject: LR Y2K compatibility

Here's one on the Y2K situation which should interest our readers...

<Solihull, dateline 22.01.99> 
In an unexpected press release issued by Solihull today, Land Rover Y2K
specialist Bob De Bugg revealed that the company are now confident of
the Y2K compatibility of the Series I, II, IIA and III Land Rovers.

"Following extensive research we are please to assure our Series owners
that the Series is completly Y2K compatible. We can guarantee that after
the 1st January 2000 series Land Rovers will continue to let water in
and oil out, the brakes will still squeak and the gearboxes will
continue to pop out of fourth at 2,500 r.p.m. Furthermore, we are
certain of the fact that Lucas components will continue to perform
unreliably well into the new millenium" said Bob De Bugg. When
questioned about industry rumours regarding cabin noise levels De Bugg
replied; "Recent postulation that Series vehicles will not be able to
deafen their drivers after the millenium change are pure hogwash - all
our data proves that Series vehicles will continue to be a hazard to
hearing and matrimonial unanimity, and will be completely unaffect by
the Y2K problem - if indeed there is such a problem".

"Our company has invested millions of pounds and over 50 years research
into the development and production of these vehicles - problems such as
leaking door seals, rainwater on the inside of the windscreen, and
inadequate heating must not be seen by the casual observer as small
details which escaped the dozing eyes and ears of quality control, but
rather seriously considered and adamantly implemented design features
wich ensure the product's lasting image in the desired market segment"
added Bob De Bugg.

Closing his statement, De Bugg added that "The company is considering
proposals to implement these design features on other products in the
range, including the recently launched Freeloader". The Freeloader is,
as readers will be aware, the subject of a pending legal action between
the manufacturers and Motorola corporation, whose EFI chip has shown
itself to be completly Y2K compatible, and thus a drastic departure from
previous Land Rover design policy on automotive electrical
installations.

"Our greatest challenge at this moment in time (now - Ed) is acheiving
the same predefined level of unreliability on later models, as is the
case with the Series vehicles. Since the BMW takeover, it has come to
our attention that the very unprediictability of the Series vehicles may
very well be the reason for their lasting so long - even Japanese car
manufacturers are studying our manufacturing methods to emulate our
results, though, as yet, no other 4WD manufacturer has been able to
build a vehicle which will still drive with the same level of
disfunctional mission critical components - Mitsubishi are considering
bundling our V7 engine for their new 4WD monocoque" added De Bugg
cautiously.

Well we might as well have a grin eh?

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Mel Mauger & Matthew Reeve" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:21:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax

>pre-1973 vehicles can afford to be smug and ignore it (my
wife wouldn't
>allow me to buy a two door Rangie, because of the safety of
the children).
>Clive

What wasn't safe about it?

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Mel Mauger & Matthew Reeve" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:30:40 -0000
Subject: Re: Civilised

>I'm getting out of here before the RRs, Discos, FLs  join
in!
>Iain

It's OK Iain, we RR owners all *know* we're far superior to
everyone else, so we don't need to join in ......

:-))

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Mel Mauger & Matthew Reeve" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:33:06 -0000
Subject: Re: List topics

>Does anyone actually subscribe to the coilspring list?
>Adrian Redmond

Most of the usual suspects appear on both lists.

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: Paul Williamson <Hartshay@hartshay.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:51:18 +0000
Subject: 2 dr RR for sale

I have a 1980 v reg 2 door  Rangie (petrol V8) for sale, 6 month mot.
Good exterior and interior, Recon gearbox, back shocks and good
tailgates etc.  Very good service history 63k on clock

I desperately want to get a s3 I have seen -  so will accept UKP 1150 or
nearest offer.   Located in Southport UK
Paul Williamson

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:03:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Comments about VED

Seeing as how every one else has had a go...

Tax on fuel
>seems the fairest method.  You pay for any environmental damage
>incurred either on road or when engaging in motorsport in untaxed
>vehicles.

I agree - I'm not keen on the prospect of under £100 a year for 7-8K miles
in my Mini, and up to £700 for 2k miles a year going to an from events in
the 101.

The mechanisms are in place to collect such tax.
>Arguments to the effect that there would then be no means of ensuring
>MOT and insurance are rubbish.  Historic vehicles pay no tax but
>owners still have to produce certificates and display a (free) disc.

No insurance certificate, no MOT. No MOT and Insurance, no nice little free
disc. Should keep some of the insurance dodgeers off the road.

Someone commented
>that although hauliers would be hit they would pass on increased
>costs to the shopper but that this increase would reflect the
>environmental damage incurred by transporting the goods.  Quite
>right, so it should.  It may encourage consumption of locally grown
>produce and where's the harm in that?  Bus companies could either get
>a rebate or buy tax-free diesel in bulk.

What's wrong with extending the red diesel system for registered hauliers
and bus operators? More often than not (especially buses) they are only
refuelled at the depot anyway. I reaslise long distance trucks don't get
that option, but the money saved on red diesel when they can fill up with it
will help offset the increse in diesel bills, loses already reduced by not
having to pay £3k a year road tax (or whatever they pay)

>Disabled people and people in remote areas are trickier.  Disabled
>people should get a rebate.  Could this be in the form of a travel
>allowance?  Perhaps equivalent to the estimated extra fuel tax per
>year for an average family car doing average milage.  That would seem
>fair.

Perhaps a points scheme, like most supermarkets and some petrol companies
use (I've a Fina card) - every time you buy petrol, the amount is stored on
the card and can be reclaimed from the government at a later date.

I have less sympathy with people in remote areas.  Many choose
>to live there and many commute to towns to work.  These would be the
>people hardest hit, not those who live and work in the area and shop
>locally.

It's not alway that easy. I live 5 miles from the nearest decent shop (other
than a post office which sells bread and milk and not much more), and ten
miles from a town. My parents are 3 miles from a shop and 15 miles from a
town. I am the luck one - there are regular buses through the next village
and I don't mind the walk - normally get the bus into work anyway. My
parents, on the other hand, other than the school buses only have buses on a
Wednesday and a Saturday. The school buses are no good for someone who
works, and they only go to the nearest town. Not much good for local travel.

People who live in cities forget how far you have to travel to get anywhere
in the country. I was doing 100 miles a week just going to work. Socialising
could double that. If fuel tax were to go ahead, then country folk are just
going to have to bite the bullet - I can't think of any good arguements for
subsidies / rebates, unless some form of means testing were involved using
the card idea above. It could be made a lot more tolerable if more buses
were put on, at more realistic times. If I want to go shopping on the bus,
it takes four or five hours, instead of 30 minutes in the pickup. Spot the
difference. There are subsidies available for buses anyway (bit off topic,
but I thought it was interesting) - the bus I get into work is busy with me,
a roofer going to work, and the driver. Inthe six months I have been getting
it, only twice have there been 3 passengers on that bus. Why do they run it?
Because they get money from the government for running a minority service in
a rural service. They get money from the council for running it as the
return leg to Gainsborough is a school bus. They make a profit even running
it empty - not that my £2.40 return would make a lot of difference to them.
Lack of lots of passenegers is not necessarily a problem, providing the bus
companies are willing to make the effort.

Right, off for a pint!

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits

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From: kevin@brs95787.demon.co.uk (Kevin Nice, Discovery Comms)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:54:51 +0000
Subject: Re: 2 dr RR for sale

On Fri, Jan 22, 1999, 19:51:18 GMT Paul Williamson wrote:

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:45:57 -0000
Subject: Re: 110 with V8 documentation
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The Land Rover workshop manual (Ninety/110) covers ALL the engines used =
in the 110- including the V8...
The Haynes doesn't (I only have the 110/Ninety Diesel Haynes - don't =
know if they do a V8/petrol version)
The Lindsay Porter Service Guide covers all engines, but not in any =
detail, it's just a nice read, no real use.
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:44:24 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
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>>>Well lets hope we achieve democracy sooner rather than later.

Plato said: " Democracy is a very bad form of government, but I ask you =
to remember, my friend, that all the others are so much worse."

Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:42:41 -0000
Subject: Re: list topics/Blue tinted bulbs
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>>>>They still look blue (OK violet) and I still think its a good reason =
to
carry the 12 bore.
>>>>They still look blue (OK violet) and I still think its a good reason =

not progressed to a catapult yet then?
Best Cheers

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:50:51 -0000
Subject: Re: MP's, PM's and VED. (no ranting)
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you got my er... vote
Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:40:35 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
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>>>>do as I have just done. E-mail the PM. I couldn't find my MP's =
e-mail
address, so I decided that the PM was the next best. <<<<<

do you know if your email arrived 'cos I've just spent a day trying to
access my MP friend into the Parliamentary server and it was down....

fills you with confidence that, if the Government  can't keep their =
server working....

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Elwyn York <Elwyn@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:28:07 +0000
Subject: ICQ

Hi All

If you have ICQ nos, can you let me know what they are?

Cheers
Elwyn
LR S3 '72 (Very Dented) Lightweight. [47 FL 06] 
"Sub Aerodynamic Green Brick" ICQ: 17087824.

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