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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:00:54 +0000
Subject: Re: To vent or not to vent ???

Ok. We now have all the relevant information about the eclipse in 
Cornwall.

1. Pregnant women are going to be giving birth in the 
streets 
2. Everything you need  is going to be 40 times the normal price.
3. Most things you won't be able to buy anyway so you'll have to  tow 
a trailer load of food and fuel.
4. There are going to be battles between New Age Travellers and 
farmers.
5. The beaches are going to be full of landing craft and the skys 
full of chinooks (which may or may not have repaired rotors).

I have given this problem a lot of thought and the answer seems to 
be:
catch a ferry or use the tunnel (assuming no LPG) to the continent. 
A great swath of France and Germany is also due to be eclipsed and 
while hotels tend to be booked up, you can avoid all the above. Not 
everyone will understand spoken english but this could be a problem 
in the more out of the way parts of Cornwall as well.

Just an idea
Neill Hogarth
BURGER Umform- & Montagetechnik
Obere Wank 9
87484 Nesselwang
Germany
Tel: (49)-8361-9206-29
Fax: (49)-8361-9206-10

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From: "Nicholas John Roe" <N.Roe@plymouth.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:52:53 GMT
Subject: RE: To vent or not to vent ???

> Bound to beat the traffic jams in Cornwall by staying in Devon ;-)

But the eclipse is visible from plymouth so do I care? :-)

Nick Roe 

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:04:39 -0000
Subject: RE: To vent or not to vent ???

As I live in Brixham and work in Plymouth I care very much. Can you
imagine what the A38 is going to be like that week? It'll be worse than
a rainy Friday night in the middle of summer. Glad I bought the bike!

Andrew B

> > Bound to beat the traffic jams in Cornwall by staying in Devon ;-)
> But the eclipse is visible from plymouth so do I care? :-)
> Nick Roe 

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From: "Nicholas John Roe" <N.Roe@plymouth.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:07:28 GMT
Subject: RE: To vent or not to vent ???

> As I live in Brixham and work in Plymouth I care very much. Can you
> imagine what the A38 is going to be like that week? It'll be worse than
> a rainy Friday night in the middle of summer. Glad I bought the bike!

As my Landrover is still in bits in my parents garage in Ipswich, and 
my house is right in the city centre, I'll be ok as long as I can get 
in the first time.  

Apparently they are hoping to use the military police to help keep 
things in order.  This eclipse may well be the only excitement devon 
and cornwall has seen in ages (apart from the two bodies found in a 
flat at the bottom of my road)

Nick  

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:46:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Lights and other things...

>have also just discovered plastic headlight bowel...
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Piles Richard?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:17:28 +0100
Subject: He who doesn't ask .....

He who doesn't ask never learns (and throws away a lot of money) 
so please excuse all my questions.

I have now got over the euphoria of my new (old) Land Rover (1986 
110 station wagon, bright orange, v8) and need to start thinking 
about the work that needs to be done. 

The question about finding the right fuses I have already asked. 
Here in Bavaria they are about as common as rocking horse s**t.

I need a tow plate. The one I got thrown in with the LR just bolts 
onto the back of the chassis and hangs down with no supports. It 
seems like a decent load would apply huge leverage to the four 
retaining bolts. I have seen adverts for
1. adjustable drop plates.
2. fixed drop plates 
3. non adjustable tow plates
What are opinions on each? Advantages? Disadvantages?

I need a jack. Everyone seems to advertise 4 ft lift jacks, a 
maintenance kit and 90/110 adaptor. Again what do I need? 
Opinions?

The chassis of my LR is in superb condition. What do I need to do 
to keep it that way. Just regular washing or something more?

My mirrors are right out on the front of the wings to be sure they 
get knocked about by any bushes I hit. Newer 110s have them on 
the door. Can I order Defender 110 mirrors and mount them on my 
LR.

That's it for now. Thank you all for your help.
Neill Hogarth

Nesselwang -
 - in the Bavarian Alps

Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org
ICQ 11799898

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:24:29 -0000
Subject: Test

Just testing, the last load of mails I sent off last night didn't get back
to me.

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: Nigel M Duffin <nigel@harlikwin.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:30:30 +0000
Subject: Re: He who doesn't ask .....

In message <bulk.19018.19990204111733@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Neill
Hogarth <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org> writes
>He who doesn't ask never learns (and throws away a lot of money) 
>so please excuse all my questions.

This is true and in true ROVER STYLE I will try to be of some help.

>I need a tow plate. The one I got thrown in with the LR just bolts 
>onto the back of the chassis and hangs down with no supports. It 
>seems like a decent load would apply huge leverage to the four 
>retaining bolts. I have seen adverts for
>1. adjustable drop plates.
>2. fixed drop plates 
>3. non adjustable tow plates
>What are opinions on each? Advantages? Disadvantages?

Firstly you need to decide what you are going to tow.
1/ The one general purpose trailer.
2/ Also a caravan.
3/ Perhaps a plant trailer.
4/ Or anything that needs moving from A to B.

If it's just the one or two with the same hitch height then a fixed drop
plate of 4 or 6 bolt fixing is cheap and practical.

For more varied loads but of nominal hitch height the Dixon Bate
adjustable coupling (pin type) is more than adequate.

If you are going to be involved in all and sundry then an adjustable
coupling again but of the screw type, this gives an infinite no of
positions making it suitable for fixed pole or 'A' frame vehicle
recovery.

Intended use and price should be your guide along with weight limits
MAX.

>I need a jack. Everyone seems to advertise 4 ft lift jacks, a 
>maintenance kit and 90/110 adaptor. Again what do I need? 
>Opinions?
>retaining bolts. I have seen adverts for
Again What for? A high lift is great in 3ft of mud but a trolley jack is
more use every where else. (Where do you put a high lift on a caravan?)

>The chassis of my LR is in superb condition. What do I need to do 
>to keep it that way. Just regular washing or something more?
>Opinions?
Well I was told that a chassis rots from the inside out and experience
has proved it so. A professional steam clean and waxoyl is about the
best you can do. 
>That's it for now. Thank you all for your help.
>Neill Hogarth
>Opinions?
>retaining bolts. I have seen adverts for
Hope you can make some use of this and I dare say that someone will have
there opinions that will differ from my own.
All the best with your new toy and keep on rovering.

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:20:01 -0000
Subject: Re: To vent or not to vent ???
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My dream... if I ever win the lottery, is to arrive on the beach, in my =
Avis
Stalwart, drive up the beach onto the camping pitch, and unload the =
caravan
from the back with the Hi-Ab crane...

Geoff, can't remember if you met my mate Geoff Smith from Bury, with the =
two Ser1s and the plough and saw attachments??
Anyway, his business if moving those large static caravans around the =
country.
 Last year, I was passing the end of his lane when he pulled out in his =
Merc truck.
 He was going to the Ser 1 gathering (that I wasn't allowed to go to =
'cos Marj thought I was still too ill) and on the truck bed was =
loaded... both his Ser 1s AND his caravan.....
That';s the way to travel methinks.....
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:39:58 -0000
Subject: Re: mapping-no L-R content
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Hi Tom,
I use MS Autoroute plus Ordnance survey Atlas of UK.
My Autoroute is a few years old although I believe the latest edition =
has postcodes not phone numbers.
I did have some software called "Locate" on floppy that gave the town =
for a specific phone code.
I can copy the OS map on CD for you and maybe borrow a later Autoroute =
if you can't buy one over there.
I'm trying to locate "Locate" (pun?) again, 'cos the floppy went =
walkabout. If I get one I can save it to CD.
Alternatively, give me a bell (telephone call) on 10706 224102 or 0403 =
889765 when you get here and I'll put you onto someone you can buy the =
stuff from.
BTW are you heading North at all? I'm about thirty miles north of =
Manchester, would be pleased to put you up for a night or so and sort =
out yr mapping problems......
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:07:31 -0000
Subject: Re: Lights and other things...
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One last word, your page has a cult following by such people as =
myself...
may be its sad for you but there it is. You will just have to put up =
with
it.<<<<<
I would be less sad if you and 999.999 of your friends sent =A31 to the =
"Make Frank Elson a Millionaire Fund"

Best wishes
Richard 100" Land Rover in less bits than last week and part =
painted...<<<<<

GREEN Richard? , please tell me it's part painted GREEN.....
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:11:40 -0000
Subject: Re: Fan question
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easier than a door lock.....
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:01:16 -0000
Subject: Re: Blue tinted bulbs (No LR content)

S'alright for you. I'm married, very "attached" to the wife and work 130
miles NE of home. (How they hate it when I tell them that they're northeast
of home - I live in the *real* SE of england (you know, where the apples and
hops grow and who tend to be quite good at cricket (since we invented it))).
I go home on Friday night and arrive back at work on Monday (although
usually in the afternoon, so I can't complain about that bit).

At least you get to be with your wife each evening/night. I only have the
weekends (nearly one  now, so sorry abut the spelling mistakes (shaky wrist-
you understand) (although my e-mail package won't allow them - so I can't
even put in the odd comic one).

Incidentally, the wife's the one who keeps the LWt going. I spend most of my
weekend tarting up the RR - I can't bring myself to tell her that she needs
to change the clutch slave cylinder.  She'll spend hours pouring over the
SIII Haynes manual and just do it. Its so annoying. No more helpless females
(Last month she changed the alternator and one injector pipe on the 2.5 N/A
diesel lump in the car). Perhaps you should run an article in LROi about the
women who look after their own LRs.

Clove

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From: "Anwar Hussein" <CJKARH@arcochem.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:57:54 +0700
Subject: Re: He who doesn't ask .....

The simplest and cheaper things to do with yr superb chassis, just apply it
with waste oil you have every time you change the engine oil (consequently
you have to wash and rinse this periodically, and apply it again with waste
oil afterwards)  I don't know whether that any strict environmental
regulation in yr country regarding to this waste oil use.

Best cheers.

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:49:42 -0000
Subject: Re: To vent or not to vent ???
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But the eclipse is visible from plymouth so do I care? :-)

 so we're all staying at yr polace then ? :-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:37:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: proposed changes to car tax
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See article in this weekend's Sunday Times. Seems that we are the only =
major
democracy where raising a point with the local MP is a bit of a No-No.

don't read the ST, they use words too long for me, and anyway I'm out =
with PKV on a Sunday (LR content),however I'll raise your point with my =
MP in the pub tomorrow evening......

But seriously... so far this week his office has received more than 50 =
calls each day. This weekend he WILL read every one (those that weren't =
so urgent they were passed to him in LUNNON) and will deal with them in =
whatever way he finds possible.
That's as well as chairing a select committee this week, answering all =
sorts of stupid questions from me (11.56 pm was the latest one, Monday =
evening) and chasing up the few hundred queries left over from last weeK =
as well as chasing some b*st*rds living in the IOM who seem intent on =
demolishing our local shopping precinct.
I have his email address, but I ain't giving out over the list,.
He's only one man but he works harder than anyone I know.

remember, as Socrates said: "Democracy is a very bad form of government, =
but I ask you to remember, my friend, that al the others are so much =
worse."

and, hey, if you don't join, what right have you to criticise??

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Bill Caloccia <caloccia@senie.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:08:49 -0500
Subject: IMPORTANT LIST ADMIN MESSAGE - 'open' posting closing March 1

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