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From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:53:08 +0000
Subject: Re: snow and paint

Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger wrote;
>don't skimp on the coverage, it gets a pretty good finish with minimal
>effort (i.e. no masking etc.). For a vehicle that gets scratched on lanes
>most weekends, it's not worth spraying. As long as it's properly primed, it
>will stand up to a lot of abuse and still look good. It doesn't retain the
>gloss for long though, I suspect you would need a clear lacquer on top to
>keep that.

We painted a 109 with household paint (don't know what type) while sat in a
car park in Tangiers.  No sanding down, no priming, 30-odd deg C.  It
didn't look too bad and held out for a couple of years before bits started
flaking, mainly where panels got bashed.  Sorry Frank, but it was white -
definitely NOT green.

Cheers,

Dave Ladell  
'75 Lightweight 2.5TD 
nr. Buxton, Derbyshire, UK

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From: Mike Gavins<MIKE@vrsolns.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:04:03 +0000
Subject: Re:Drain plug and Rocker box cover gasket

Stuart wrote:

> You should only have to replace the washer of the drain plug.  Not the plug
> itself.
> The rocker box cover gasket is usually just of the cork type.  I was taught,
> just to apply a very thin layer of engine oil to the gasket before fitting.
> It's worked for me.

It's also acceptable to anneal the drain plug washer - just heat it 
to dull red with a blow-lamp  and drop it into cold water.

I was taught to use a thin coating of grease on the gasket to stick 
it onto the rocker box cover so that it is positioned correctly.

Mike

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:25:36 +0000
Subject: re paint ...

In message <bulk.20557.19990209000611@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>I did the rangie with a can of dulux gloss and a roller, as long as you
>don't skimp on the coverage, it gets a pretty good finish with minimal
>effort (i.e. no masking etc.). For a vehicle that gets scratched on lanes
>most weekends, it's not worth spraying. As long as it's properly primed, it
>will stand up to a lot of abuse and still look good. It doesn't retain the
>gloss for long though, I suspect you would need a clear lacquer on top to
>keep that.

My mate swears by 'Tractol' paint - buys it from the local agricultural
supplier. They do etch primer as well and generally it's cheaper than
the stuff 'made for cars'. Coupled with the fact that it lasts, seems to
keep its colour and can be spayed or hand finished it seems a good bet. 

Of course, the one advantage Dulux has is availability in a variety of
individually tailored shades ... Range Rover with hint of pink anybody?
What would the DVLA have to say about that? Colour: 'Slightly off
Devonshire cream' body, 'Still settling Guiness' bonnet and 'rose blush
with hint of dung-ball' roof .... mmm ... nice ... Where's my brush
gone? ... :-)

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:23:09 -0000
Subject: RE: re paint ...

	From: 	Andy Gardiner[SMTP:101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk]

	My mate swears by 'Tractol' paint - buys it from the local
agriculturalsupplier. 

Must admit I used Tractol, painted it on the bulkhead. I'm thinking of
doing rest of the vehicle this summer, but them I thought about it last
summer as well! And it is green, lime green, does that still count as
green?

Andrew B

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:58:18 -0000
Subject: Re: Exhaust sides / GMC List?

Just something I noticed for a while here...just drive up the
motorway/freeway and see how many cars/vans/trucks have the exhausts/fuel
fillers on different sides, even though the models are the same. Over here
in the UK, we have a 50/50 split with Mondeos (is that the Contour over
there?)....just seems to make sense given the pathetic size of UK petrol
stations to allow everyone equal access to the fuel fillers.....

Neil

Series III 109" 1978

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:06:04 -0000
Subject: Re: Exhaust sides / GMC List?

Neil Brownlee wrote :-
->
->Just something I noticed for a while here...just drive up the
->motorway/freeway and see how many cars/vans/trucks have the exhausts/fuel
->fillers on different sides, even though the models are the same. Over here
->in the UK, we have a 50/50 split with Mondeos (is that the Contour over
->there?)....just seems to make sense given the pathetic size of UK petrol
->stations to allow everyone equal access to the fuel fillers.....
->
I am not sure what you are saying here. For the Mondeo, the exhaust pipe
exits on different sides depending what size engine is installed. I think
TDs and 2 litres are on the right and 1.8s and V6s are on the left ( or the
other way arround ). I must admit I've never noticed that the petrol fillers
are on opposite sides for the same make of car.

My Triumph TR2 had the ideal position for the filler cap for petrol
stations - it was in the middle ;-)

Peter Dowson
S1 80" - petrol and exhaust both on driver's side. (Note that left hand
drive vehicles had the exhaust on the left hand drive too but not the petrol
filler ).

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:57:09 -0000
Subject: Re:Drain plug and Rocker box cover gasket

\You should only have to replace the washer of the drain plug.  Not the plug
\itself.

The 90 has done 70k and had a change every 1000 (every 250 recently cos 
it's not been used much). I've never bothered changing the washer. What's 
going to happen anyway - a few drops of oil on the floor telling you to 
change it?

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:33:47 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:Drain plug and Rocker box cover gasket

Andy Woodward wrote :-
->The 90 has done 70k and had a change every 1000 (every 250 recently cos
->it's not been used much). I've never bothered changing the washer. What's
->going to happen anyway - a few drops of oil on the floor telling you to
->change it?

I assume the failure mode is the plug dropping out at "high" speed (relative
term) and you losing all the oil followed shortly after by the conrods
making a bid for freedom through the side of the block.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: The Bickertons <Bickerton@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:24:43 -0500
Subject: Green rovers and trial fees

Frank,

I spent the weekend at Buxton LRC (free plug?), and one of the members
there left our safety officer painting his new bullbar white to match the
LR. Sadly he found a tin of pink paint, and picked out various features
such as bullbar uprights, LR logo, wheelnuts, halfshaft caps, mirror backs,
door hinges, rollcage (external on hardtop), canvas hooks, body cappings,
rear step, and to cap it all he's painted "Rob's Little Pony" across the
bumper.
Considering it only took 3 hours it looks really good (in a surreal sort of
way....)

Just serving to reinforce the taste in green LRs...

BTW at BADLRC the AWDC were running this month's trial - Buxton club
charges UKP3, and they wanted UKP15. I reasoned that I could almost fill
the diesel tank for that, and two of us went off laning. Some people
preferred to trial, but as I never even come close to winning I'm not
playing any more (there's a phrase to describe this, involving dollies and
prams, but I misremember...:-) Anyway, I could buy a scrapper for spares
for UKP250, or drive to Buxton from France, trial for UKP3 and return. Or
invest it, wait 30000 years and buy a Td5 90 (inflation will push prices up
too, remember!)

John B

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:45:25 -0000
Subject: Re: Exhaust sides / GMC List?

>My Triumph TR2 had the ideal position for the filler cap for petrol
>stations - it was in the middle ;-)

As it was on the TR4. But what about military LR's. Either side, but you
don't half get some strange looks taking the nozzle inside the car.

Clive

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From: JPitcher@sperry-sun.com
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:49:23 -0600
Subject: Overfinch Rangie...

     Well, I did it. I sacrificed my principals and bought a coil sprung 
     Landrover. At the price I couldn't refuse, and the wife was 
     threatening me with dire death and destruction if I didn't get it. 
     It's an '86 4 door, with a GMC 5.0l v8 (yippeee) through a manual box. 
     Uprated suspension and handling kit and handles like a sports car 
     (well, almost). The downside is that it's got 2 fuel tanks, and I've 
     just found out that they both leak! Still, a quick call to craddocks 
     and a new tank is winging it's way to me, and for less that the price 
     of filling the beast twice. I'll pull the auxiliary tank and get it 
     welded up later. The conversion was beautifully done, and I'm having 
     great fun, even though it's her car. When I've sold her old car, I'll 
     have enough room to pull the SIIa out of the garage and get back to 
     fixing it. Back to the joys of leaf springs :)
     
     Jason
     
     SIIa 1970
     Range Rover 1986
     Triumph Sprint 1994

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From: Julian Watt <wattj@mindnet.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:18:03 -0000 
Subject: RE: Overfinch Rangie...

I had the pleasure of driving one of my Dads mates Overfinch Rangies in
89, it had previously belonged to the boss of the Marshall Group, and it
had a 5.7 litre lump auto box, air suspension and ABS, as well as
improved interior trim.

It was fun, and would see off the GTI's on open roads, even on back
roads it wasn't too bad. BUT the more fun the more fuel...those were the
days!

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:22:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Overfinch Rangie...

Yer see, coil springers aren't all bad (even Blue ones, Frank). My wife
gives me hell about driving the Rangie (she drives (and maintains - new
alternator, high pressure fuel pipe, now a new clutch master and slave
cylinder - nothing to do with our relationship at all) the LWt with a 2.5
N/A Diesel). Calls me (at best) a softy.

On our recent trip to Austria, she drove some of the way. She's used to
keeping "foot to metal" (the LWt has no soundproofing and definitely no
carpet). We travelled at 90-95MPH all the way down the autobahn while she
was driving. I kept up a more leisurely 80-85MPH (you know, usual excuses -
"I didn't like the way he was driving...I wanted to put some distance
between him and us." And she had such a grin on her face while she was doing
it.

Not that I'm criticising the wife in any way (especially since the major has
started reflecting our mail back at us again). I've thought of putting an
SIII petrol engine back into the LWt (don't know who did the conversion, but
my 12 year old son could have done it better) and an overdrive to see if I
can recreate that grin in the UK!!!

Now I need to buy here a new (or good second hand) upper front bulkhead - or
vent panel. Then she'll have fun fitting that while I'm away at work.

Clive

'86 RR EFi
'81SIII LWt
'82 SIII SWB (Waiting for chassis and electrical rework

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:54:18 -0000
Subject: Re: snow and paint

>>>>>Any one
out there used household liquid gloss ??. Could be looking at 15 quid
compared <<<<
people I know who have not painted their vehicles the correct shade of Land
Rover Bronze Green (I will not dignify them with the title of friends) have
had a lot of success with brushpainted household gloss.
It hurts me to say it but it looks ok from six feet away, just take all the
usual care with old brushes, feathering etc.....
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:41:18 -0000
Subject: Re: He who doesn't ask .....

>>>>Waxoyl in my paraffin gun gives me an 8ft flame thrower if you ignite
>it!...Most dangerous!
Ah a fellow pyromaniac (sorry pyrotechnician) at heart, only people like us
would KNOW that that is what happens :-)))) >>>>>>>

s'funny, I was planning on trying it out this weekend. Sad or wot?

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:11:17 -0000
Subject: Re: Exhaust sides / GMC List?

>>>>>But what about military LR's. Either side, but you
don't half get some strange looks taking the nozzle inside the car.
>>>>>But what about military LR's. Either side, but you

get better looks filling both tanks at once from two different pumps... try
it, honest!!
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:53:48 -0000
Subject: Re: re paint ...

>>>>> lime green, does that still count as
green?<<<

now watch my lips..........

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:37:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Artic Landrovers

Hi Elwyn,
the following is part of an article written by Clive Elliott for the
Ex-Military Land Rover Club newsletter, you should join (okay Wayne?)
also see: www.yorkshire.u-net.com

Under snow conditions, unless all white painting is authorised by HQ
UKLF, vehicles and equipment may be painted white with disruptive
patterns of IRR green or black, in the ratio two-thirds white to
one-third green or black. There is no specific white IRR paint for
vehicles or canvas, perhaps the infra-red properties of ordinary paint
and snow are similar and besides the vehicles and equipment may well
have acquired a covering of snow. However the greatest concern are the
shadowy areas close to the ground which would give contrast in the snow,
the special paint for these areas is Paint, Finishing, Heat Resisting,
Brushing, White (COSA No H1/8010-99-943-4747). Canvas is painted with
Paint, Emulsion, Finishing, Brushing, White (COSA No
H1/8010-99-224-4894).

Best Cheers
Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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