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From: "Jason Price" <jason_p2@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:55:37 PST
Subject: GPS suppliers

in answer to Jonathan's question, I  have a lowe external antenna
fitted to a GPS40 in my LR and it's fabulous.  I can recommend the
lowe antenna to anybody who wants to get it.

If you're looking to buy a GPS, I'd suggest calling sailing or
marine shops first - when I bought mine, it was at a much better
price.  Don't have the number to hand (but they're in the phone
book), but I'd suggest Russell Simpson Marine, down on the south
coast.  I think they're around portsmouth sort of area.

Definitely check out sailing suppliers first though - they do stock
the 'non sailing' types as well as the big ship versions.

Jason

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From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:19:38 +0100
Subject: Re: gps newsgroup

At 16:35 13-2-99 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi all
>Anybody got comments on a suitable gps system to put in the LR. Are there
>any news  groups that are used by people interested in GPS?
>Best regards
>Jon

Jon,

There is one newsgroup that has all the info you want and a lot more.
SCI.GEO.SATELLITE-NAV.
You should also check out the homepage of Joe Mehaffey on 
http:\\joe.mehaffey.com

Regards,
Jan.

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From: "Davidge, Anthony" <antony_davidge@merck.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:47:29 -0500
Subject: Grins, Tdi's, Visit and Muddy number plates

Hi All,

The Grid has now been replaced with a Grin - funny what actually sitting in
the drivers seat can do. :+)

Fitting the 300 was easy - I dropped it off and picked it up just over a
week later :+) - the hard thing is going to be paying for it :+( 
The company involved did a really good, the chief engineer on site gave it
the once over as well and he was impressed - and he's a bl**dy
perfectionist.  

Frank - The patient is absolutely chipper, so a visit is back on the cards.
Just need to see how the overtime rota for April-June plans out and I'll see
what is available.

Geoff - I've never seen mud on the 110, so do you spray it on the number
plate???  :+)

Tony  

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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:11:23 +0100
Subject: muddy number plates

I caught my wife cleaning the number plate recently and explained 
that this was not a good idea due to speed traps. Her answer was 
that they don't need to read our number plate as there is only one 
bright orange 110 LR in the whole of Bavaria. 

Maybe she has a point. Maybe I need to cover the whole thing with 
mud and change the body shape as well.

Why am I worrying? It's not as if going too fast is a huge problem in 
my LR!
Neill Hogarth

Nesselwang -
 - in the Bavarian Alps

Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org
ICQ 11799898

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:33:50 +0000
Subject: Re: Theories anyone??

>MIke,
>the tube wasn't in badly was it?

Quite possible Frank.The lad that put the tyres on for me was
enthusiastic rather than experienced I think.

Cheers
Mike

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:36:59 -0000
Subject: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

\Don't assume that our vehicles are necessarily safer than smaller 
\cars.   Bigger, heavier vehicles do tend to be safer but, for 
\example, the Disco came out very poorly in recent crash tests, 
\primarily because of it's rigid chasis.
\This may seem surprising but a major factor in increased crash 
\survival over the past 2-3 decades is the passenger safety cell 
\and crumple zones to dissipate collision forces.

Hahaaaaaaaaa! The reason Discos and 90s and stuffdo badly in crash 
tests is cos the tests are ridiculous. They crash them into concrete blocks 
- of cours they dont com out well. Now crawsh them into family saloons 
with crumple zones and note the results...........

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From: "David Vella" <landy@digigate.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:50:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

yeah but the tests are carried out NOT to test if the car suffered any
damage but to know if the passanger(s) or driver suffered damage.  It is
logic i think that if the vehicle has crumple zones it is safer than being
rigid. ie. if on a crash a car crumples down its momentum is lost into the
body of the car (that is when crumpling), however when it is rigid like the
90s and the like the momentum is not lost into any crumple zone resulting
into the ppl in the car getting all the jolt.

ok after a crash with a car having crumple zones , u get a wrecked car but
it depends on what finally u want, either stay alive after a crash and
wrecking the car or else wrecking yourself !

ME ? well dont call me mad but i love my honey too much (1988 White 90) -
would prefer to wreck myself !!! :))

Regards

     David Vella
  GFI Fax & Voice
 [www.gfifax.com]
-=1988 White 90=-

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:58:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Safety

Aha a good observation.

>Now crash them into family saloons with crumple zones and note the 
resuls...........

A bit like this 'banning of bull bars thing' that is going on. Stupid people 
don't realise that plastic Su**** Vitarararars 'without' bull bars bend. But 
things like LR products have a large steel tube, well placed at knee height, 
which doesn't.

Surely it would be better to spread the impact over two or three feet of bull 
bar that might flex a little rather than 3 inches of steel bumper.

Not that I am in the habit or running little old ladies down at ped. crossings.

Just a thought.
Orlando, 93, Disco, no bull bar, no dents either.

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From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:57:16 -0800
Subject: Re: Safety

Damn right.  I don't have a roll cage, winch, roo bar, roof rack etc like like 
you Frank but
an HGV gave way to my dirty, battered, NATO green Series III a couple of weeks 
ago.  One of my
proudest moments.
TIM
PS. Is NATO green an approved colour?

> ah, but the safety value of driving a battered, bull barred and muddy "real"
> Land Rover cannot be dismissed. Apart from picking the Land Rover over a
> Volvo in a smash, nine out of ten times the Volvo will get out of the way
> anyway... I'm a very "considerate" driver, ev3n leave space infront in rush
> hour for the lane changer to pop in-  he must want it more than I do - but
> it is often unavoidable that the "bully boys" come a'forcing  through...
> they just tend to back off when faced with PKV. I seriously consider the
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> Best Cheers
> Frank

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:09:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

 Now crawsh them into family saloons
>with crumple zones and note the results...........

They climb over them...
A fact currently being used by the "Why should you have a 4X4 without
justifying it to me first" brigade (notably so-called "Motoring Journalists")
to discredit the breed.They also dont like diesels.Tough.
Have you noticed? You can drive almost anything on the face of the earth
without comment.Get a Land Rover and immediately you get "Why do you *need*
one of those?" As if need had anything to do with it.Funny people.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 99 12:04 GMT0
Subject: Re: muddy number plates

<<<<<<<<. Her answer was that they don't need to read our number plate as 
there is only one bright orange 110 LR in the whole of Bavaria. >>>>>>>

Yes but you would be up against the Plod and I doubt that there is 
sufficient Porcine Intelligence in the whole of Bavaria to put two and two 
together...based upon my UK experience, of course.......

73s and 88s

:-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)

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From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:01:00 +0200
Subject: RE: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

Now I am wondering what the safety of a Defender is, does it have crumple 
zones at all?

>.>cars.   Bigger, heavier vehicles do tend to be safer but, for
>.>example, the Disco came out very poorly in recent crash tests,
>.>primarily because of it's rigid chasis.
>.>This may seem surprising but a major factor in increased crash
>.>survival over the past 2-3 decades is the passenger safety cell
>.>and crumple zones to dissipate collision forces.
>Abolutely, without a crumple zone, a lot of the forces are transferred to
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>the forces get to the people, instead of being absorbed in the crumple
>zones.

Daniel

SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.
tel. +31 20 6136323
WWW  http://www.sys.nl

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:05:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

Frank wrote:

> ah, but the safety value of driving a battered, bull barred and muddy "real"
> Land Rover cannot be dismissed.

The most  important safety feature is the driver.  It is an 
unfortunate fact of life however, that some drivers are negative 
safety features!    The lane-hoppers may ocassionally save a tiny 
amount of time getting where they're going and although it's annoying 
it's not worth raising the blood-pressure over.  Content yourself  by 
thinking how lucky it is to have more than a handfull of brain cells 
actually connected.

Regards,

Iain

PS, A "Clean" 110 is also a "real" Landie (and it's blue!)  :-) 

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:50:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

In reply to..
> \survival over the past 2-3 decades is the passenger safety cell 
> \and crumple zones to dissipate collision forces.

Andy spoke..
> Hahaaaaaaaaa! The reason Discos and 90s and stuffdo badly in crash 
> tests is cos the tests are ridiculous. They crash them into concrete blocks 
> - of cours they dont com out well. Now crawsh them into family saloons 
> with crumple zones and note the results...........

Yes, the crash tests are certainly not perfect BUT they do work, in 
as much as they force the manufacturers to concentrate-on and improve 
safety.  Our rigid-chasis vehicles are not classed as passenger cars 
and in the uk there is no legal requirement to crash-test them as is 
done for "normal"  cars.

Paradoxically, a feature which makes them ideal for their intended 
use (i.e. a rigid chasis) also makes them inherently less 
survivable-in in a major crash.  For example, if you come off the 
road and hit a tree at 50mph you are more likely to survive in a Merc 
A-class (which is tiny!) than in your LR.   If this happens, you are 
unlikely to have a choice of target and a large tree will quite 
happily stay where it is while you and your passengers continue 
moving at 50mph!

Over the years, manufacturers have at first scorned almost every 
safety feature and vehemently resisted attempts to legislate.  
Padded dashboards and steering wheels,  non-rigid steering columns, 
safety cells, crumple zones, safety belts, toughened glass,  
laminated glass,  air-bags,  ALL have been opposed by manufacturers 
as unnecessary and costly. 
In the US, for example, a roll-over test is required.  The Defender 
failed this,  hence LR fitted a roll cage, but  only to the US spec 
Defender.  Some may think this overkill but it  *is*  a safety 
improvement and do you think LR would have fitted it as 
standard in the US without legislation?

It is only very recently that manufacturers have latched onto safety 
as a marketing tool but ask anyone who has lost family or friends to 
a road accident for their views on the subject.

Regards,

Iain

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:51:09 GMT
Subject: Re: New use for Hi-Lift

In response to....
>>An elephant weighs the same as two 110s.<Frank Elson muttered:

> thank you for the opportunity to be pedantic:

You're welcome.

> Which elephant (some are different sizes than others)? and which 110's (some
> weight more than others)?

I'm astounded at your ignorance Frank.  The EC directive on the EPU 
(European Pachyderm Unit) is quite specific on this point and defines 
1 EPU as being 4 metric tonnes and equivelant to one adult (female 
for some obscure reason) elephant.  No specific mention is given to a 
standard weight for a landrover but it is universally accepted as 
being that of the 110 CSW (blue).  Other 110s failing to meet the 
criteria can of course rectify the situation by fitting additional 
ballast such a  heavier driver.   In most 110 hardtops this is not 
necessary as the junk.... er, sorry,  essential tools etc in 
the back are normally adequate ballast.

Regards,

Iain

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From: "Bonorchis, Conrad" <ConradBonorchis@interim.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:35:26 -0000
Subject: RE: GPS suppliers

I have a Lowe Antenna connected to a Garmin GPS III, nice combinations. Have
a look at Lowe's website at http://www.lowe.co.uk/gpsant.html  Order it on
the website and they deliver in 2 days.... UKP 39.95 

Usual disclaimers

Cheers
Conrad

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:36:49 +0100
Subject: Re: New use for Hi-Lift

Are we talking Indian elephants or African? Or being a EU directive is
this a French/German or Anglo/British Elephant - pray tell - what is
this European Standard Elephant?

And where do we buy one?

Adrian Redmond

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:45:36 EST
Subject: Re-Power Steering Reservoir

Tim
If it is the plastic type I found mine from a Fiat in a breakers yard for a
couple of quid. It is identical to the type used on later Land Rovers. If it
is the tin type I have one here in Norfolk.

Mike Rogers 
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:23:14 -0000
Subject: Re: gps

I've been very satisfied with Ultimate Design, they had the best price at
the time I got mine (not long ago) and they had a policy of matching any
other price. No financial connection with the company, just a very satisfied
customer.

Details as follows

ULTIMATE DESIGN
E-mail Address(es):
[spamkill: [Ss][Aa][Ll][Ee][Ss]@ input: %s]	   sales@ultimatedesign.co.uk

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From: sarah harwood <sarah.harwood@gecm.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:26:48 +0000
Subject: Heated Rear Window

Hi

Has any one tried changing from plain glass to a heated rear window in
the back door on a Series IIA - I know this sounds a strange idea but I
am trying to find out the feasability of this conversion.  Any
suggestions as I have been told glass is only available for Defender
doors.

Sarah
Series IIA '63

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