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From: "jos de vries" <ct915434@student.citg.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:22:50 +0100

Mark Finch,

can't mail your direct, on finchm@sky3.bskyb.com so via the list:

the question to de nl-list was succesful, Marco has the stickers in his
home, you can have them, so mail him,

 "m.j. du buisson" <m.j.du-buisson@wxs.nl>

greetings Jos
Delft, The Netherlands

Santana 109 SW '71 D
Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:33:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Heated Rear Window

At 07:26 AM 2/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>Has any one tried changing from plain glass to a heated rear window in
>the back door on a Series IIA - I know this sounds a strange idea but I
>am trying to find out the feasability of this conversion.  Any
>suggestions as I have been told glass is only available for Defender
>doors.

If you've got the safari rear door (1-piece, hinged at the side), rather
than the 2-piece tailgate, then it's a straight swap for the defender
heated glass - I did this on my SIII. 

I've also tried the stick-on heating elements, bought from a local spares
shop. It worked OK, but was a bit on the fragile side - I broke a couple of
the strips wiping the inside of the window (hence the defender replacement).

Hope this helps

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: JPitcher@sperry-sun.com
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:39:13 -0600
Subject: Re:Heated Rear Window

     Why bother? You can never see out of the back window 'cos of all the 
     road cr*p on it anyway:)
     
     Jason
     
     SIIa 1970
     Overfinch Range Rover 1986

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From: JPitcher@sperry-sun.com
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:42:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Safety

     I would've thought that a bull bar would make a lot of older 
     landrovers safer, considering the sharp pojecting edge of the bonnet 
     (unless you've a deluxe bonnet).
     
     Jason
     
     SIIa 1970
     Overfinch Range Rover 1986

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From: "oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:43:27 -0500
Subject: ExpMoD list

I have started a new e-mail list called ExpMoD, which is a nod to expedition 
modified Land-Rovers and the military origin of some of the most unusual ones.  
It is 
intended to be a forum for  owners of LR's which are intended for use for long 
periods away from home base. We started out with a group of ambulance owners, 
and I 
am particulary interested in hearing from others, since I am working on my own 
'71 
 Marshall bodied Ambulance, but I thought it would be interesting to hear the 
experiences of those who have, or are in the process of getting 109's 110's 
130's and 
101's or custom Land-Rover vehicles into condition for that round-the-world 
trip, or 
even just a couple of weeks out camping in the bush.  Subjects will probably 
include, 
but not be limited to:

Modifications to the vehicles
interior setups
Alternative power and fuel
food preparation facilities
Arranging itineraries for multi-vehicle trips
Spares for hard to find military parts
Advice from those who have been there
Filing On-the-Road trip reports
Post trip reports
etc.

I don't expect much traffic as we have only 9 members right now, mostly 
ambulance 
drivers.  I hope it will become a useful tool for like minded travelers in the 
future.  If you do subscribe, send an intro message describing your vehicle or 
future 
project.  Happy trails.

Subscribe by sending a message to majordomo@lists.gwi.net  with     subscribe 
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standards so 
well exemplified on this list.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:01:01 GMT
Subject: Re: New use for Hi-Lift (NO LR CONTENT!)

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> Are we talking Indian elephants or African? Or being a EU directive is
> this a French/German or Anglo/British Elephant - pray tell - what is
> this European Standard Elephant?

The metric EPU is of course based on the African beast and was almost 
certainly  instigated by the French and Germans.   No doubt someone 
will come back with the correct conversion factor from the imperial 
units (IPU) as used in India.

> And where do we buy one?

I believe Ghana has excess capacity.  You'll need a big trailer, your 
hi-lift,  and a large bucket and shovel I think.

Regards,

Iain

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Iain Tennant (i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk)  ext. 4227
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From: "Chris Jones" <chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:03:55 -0000
Subject: Rear Propshafts

I've recently been more and more troubled by a vibration from the
transmission in my (NATO green and black, for those that keep a note of
these things...) SIII. Whilst investigating, I've discovered some play in
the sliding joint on the rear propshaft. I can wiggle it just over 1mm (with
an audible clonk-clonk) from side to side where it passes through the
chassis crossmember. The UJ's don't seem to have any play in them. Is this a
Bad Thing? Is it going to fail catastrophically any time soon?

I assume that to fix it I'm going to have to replace the entire propshaft,
but I don't know quite what the spec is to order one. It's a LWB vehicle
with a Salisbury rear axle, which IIRC makes the propshaft shorter than
normal. My tape measure said 1040mm (ish) from the flange on the diff to the
flange in the handbrake drum, with the wheels on the ground. Anyone know
what the right spec is?

Thanks in advance,
Chris
--
chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk
http://www.stumpie.demon.co.uk/
1981 ex-REME SIII 109 HT - YAV182X

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From: "T.D.I.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:10:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

Mike wrote:
>>with crumple zones and note the results...........
>They climb over them...
>A fact currently being used by the "Why should you have a 4X4 without
>justifying it to me first" brigade (notably so-called "Motoring
Journalists")
>to discredit the breed.

If Land Rovers are such a menace to other road users, why is insurance for
them so cheap compared to other vehicles? I would think that the actuarial
tables of accidents and vehicle type that insurance companies have built up
are a much better guide to safety than the relatively small numbers of
safety tests carried out.

Tom Stevenson
University Marine Biological Station, Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel: 01475 530581  Fax: 01475 530601  Email: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
Web page: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine/

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From: "Chris Jones" <chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:12:37 -0000
Subject: Re: GPS suppliers

I highly recommend the Garmin GPSIII. I use mine in the Land Rover, on a
mountain bike and sometimes walking, and it's survived being dunked in
numerous rivers and being jettisoned from the handlebars at 30mph. The car
mounting kit they do works well and fits neatly on the dashboard of my SIII
(those plasticky bits do have a use!). I don't use an external aerial at the
moment - the standard one works OK through the windscreen except through
really dense trees. The screen and controls are excellent.

As for purchasing, if you know anyone who's going to the US, get them to buy
one: last time I checked, they were 360 dollars there and 360 pounds here.
Ouch. The only drawback is that you can't get the one with European maps in
the US, but I figured that the maps weren't much use to me. The US one does
have the country outlines and major towns in Europe in anyway.

Chris
--
chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk
http://www.stumpie.demon.co.uk/
1981 ex-REME SIII 109 HT - YAV182X

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:30:12 +0000
Subject: Re: New use for Hi-Lift (NO LR CONTENT!)

Iain wrote, about the EU standard elephant: 
> hi-lift,  and a large bucket and shovel I think.
You better keep a carful log of how many buckets you shovel en route. 
 HM Customs and Excise will probably impose some sort of importation 
tax based on emmissions, and it will help your case if you have 
detailed records to hand. (or should that be to shovel). 

Peter.

 
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:07:57 +0000
Subject: re: crash test and crumple zones

For what it's worth, crash tests are always conducted in a head-on
scenario. Rigid chassis probably bad but flat front I reckon good for
the pedestrians (otherwise, busses are the most dangerous vehicle
about!).
In reality, many collisions are at slight angles due to vehicles
swerving before impact. In these cases the crumple zones of most cars
are not 'hit in the right direction' and are far less effective. The LR
ladder-frame chassis will deform on this case absorbing the impact and
probably destorting the owner's wallet severely.

For what it's worth, most collisions between vehicles that I hear about
are *relatively* low speed - how often does a Land Rover come off worst?
Not one that I can think of - last one was bent Slll bumper and ...
written off Pug. GTi!!!

Multichoice Question: what happens if a Fiat Panda is hit in the front
wing by a pedestrian at two miles an hour at an angle of 45 degrees? 
Possible answers:
a)Pedestrian says 'Ouch'
b)Panda's wing falls off.
c)Panda owner jumps out complaining about the damage to the car.
insurance and Fiat parts dealer rub their hands in anticipation of extra
cash rolling in.
d)Pedestrian says 'I'm glad that wasn't a Land Rover, the driver
wouldn't even have noticed the bump as I was gently deflected back onto
the pavement where I should've been in the first place. In fact I might
have even noticed it coming ...'.

A final question: As a pedestrian, what would you rather be involved in,
a collision where you take full force on your knees and shins followed
by your whole bodyweight rapidly decelerated via your kneck as your head
strikes a windscreen *or* a relatively flat, most-of-the-body impact
causing the whole body to absorb the energy ...?

I'll stop now before I start really ranting ...
-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:38:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Rear Propshafts

Hi Chris
Play in the sliding joint of the rear prop is a bad thing.  It 
probably wont fail catastrophically but will get clonkier and more 
vibey till its intolerable.  I once got a second hand propshaft from 
Craddocks for ukp25.  I just told them it was for a LWB with 
Salisbury.  All series III and late IIA LWB had salisbuty axles as 
standad so it is a standard length and any good dealer should be able 
to sell you the right one.  If your anywhere near SE Scotland I can 
tell you exactly who to ask!

Cheers
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:00 +0200
Subject: RE: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

An interesting link for car safety: 
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/

Daniel

SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.
WWW  http://www.sys.nl

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:18:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Safety

 Ignore me as you usually do, but here's my reaction:

[[Over the years,.....
[[non-rigid steering columns, safety cells, crumple zones, safety belts,
[[toughened glass, laminated glass, ALL have been opposed by manufacturers 
[[as unnecessary and costly. 

  And *what* manufacturer started with these features on it's own free
  will? Yes, Volvo. The above-mentioned  [[...  followed.

>> ah, but the safety value of driving a battered, bull barred and muddy "real"
>> Land Rover cannot be dismissed. Apart from picking the Land Rover over a
>> Volvo in a smash, nine out of ten times the Volvo will get out of the way
>> anyway...  >> Frank

 When driving the Volvo Amazon, and having the right of way, this here
 nutter will not budge for any LR / other bigger vehicle if he does not
 feel like it. The Volvo is well insured, what happens to me cannot be
 anything worse then anything else i've already expierienced. There.
 
 Just because I own a LR, does not mean "the handfull of braincells" are
 totally dedicated to this make. A car is to get you from one place to
 another, and each make/type has its features. Or not.

[[Now I am wondering what the safety of a Defender is, does it have crumple 
[[zones at all?
  
 Hi Daniel, i'm sure you ment "Freelander" and not "Defender".
 
 Sounds like a good expirement: A head-on collision involving a SIII and
 a Freelander. I hereby volunteer to drive the Series. Seriously, haha.

 Marijn.
 being grumpy today as if you did'nt notice...

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From: d.p.round@bangor.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:57:24 GMT
Subject: re: crash test and crumple zones

> A final question: As a pedestrian, what would you rather be involved in,
> a collision where you take full force on your knees and shins followed
> by your whole bodyweight rapidly decelerated via your kneck as your head
> strikes a windscreen *or* a relatively flat, most-of-the-body impact
> causing the whole body to absorb the energy ...?

The trick as a pedestrian is to avoid absorbing the energy at all because
the difference in masses between the pedestrian and almost any vehicle
means that the acceleration following a direct impact will be lethal
at quite low speeds. The only fatal accident I have seen 
happened at quite low speeds and involved an LT35 and a pedestrian. I
suspect busses *are* much more dangerous than cars - but probably about
on a par with most large vehicles since the majority are equally slab-
fronted.

In a car/pedestrian accident the pedestrian may get away with it by
being thrown over the roof of the car and thus avoiding the lethal
acceleration. I have heard that you can improve your prospects
as a pedestrian by doing a sort-of dive roll to enhanse the effect.
(Look at the stunt men in a film for tips...) Speed is also an 
important factor, at 20mph most pedestrians will survive being hit
by a car. At 40mph most will die.

The bottom line is that LandRovers are dangerous vehicles, fitting
kiddie killers - sorry bull bars - is unlikely to help. Driving
slower makes a real difference. At 40mph you have 4 times the 
kinetic energy of the same vehicle at 20mph.

David

******        David Round - EMail  round@bangor.ac.uk             ******
*****These are my own views, I represent nobody (Well maybe myself)*****
***********I guarantee nothing - Particularly the spelling**************

       

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:52:15 -0000
Subject: Weber Carb

As a complete novice when it comes to engine maintenance, I am quite hapy
with the fact that I changed my Zenith for a Weber and it STILL WORKS!!!
Only had a few problems, first up, the choke cable was too short, how do I
attach a longer one?

Also, the thin metal pipe (is this the advance/retard pipe) that goes around
the back of the 4 cyl engine to the distributor was on the other side of the
Zenith, so I had to reroute it OVER the head...any problems lurking here...I
did clamp it down on the carb side.

Apart from that, she is a different vehicle! She actually ACCELERATED up a
hill in 4th!!!! Shocking it was!

Oh yes, does anyone have a clue what to ask for to replace the small rubber
seal on the metal pipe I moved? Mine is split...I suspect this doesn't help
the timing?

Neil

Series III 109" 1978

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From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:42:00 +0200
Subject: RE: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

>When driving the Volvo Amazon, and having the right of way, this here nutter 
will not budge 
for any LR / other bigger vehicle if he does
>not feel like it. The Volvo is well insured, what happens to me cannot be 
anything worse then 
anything else i've already expierienced.
>There.
How about if you are in your Land Rover: will you give way to any Volvo or 
just to Amazons?
It must be difficult having two loves :-)

>Hi Daniel, i'm sure you ment "Freelander" and not "Defender".
[spamkill: [cC]yber[^pcu][^ios][^rt][^yt] input: %s]	 Marijn, nice to meet 
again this time in cyberspace.

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From: "Dave Codrai" <dave@codrai.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:59:52 -0000
Subject: Re: Weber Carb

Neil

>Only had a few problems, first up, the choke cable was too short, how do I
>attach a longer one?

It will have to be replaced, if you have and still want the choke warning
light the replacement will have to be for a Land Rover, two cables available
one for use with steering lock and one without, otherwise one from local
accessory shop will do, many choke cables are moved about, standard position
for yours should be through steering column shroud, undo screws thru shroud
and unbolt cable, replacement is reverse of removal, new cable may need
cutting to length, cut inner and outer separately.

>Also, the thin metal pipe (is this the advance/retard pipe) that goes
around
>the back of the 4 cyl engine to the distributor was on the other side of
the
>Zenith, so I had to reroute it OVER the head...any problems lurking
here...I
>did clamp it down on the carb side.

Yes this is the advance/retard pipe, as far as I am aware the SIII's had
plastic pipes with rubber ends, the metal pipes were SII & SIIA, I think,
should be no problems with routing.
>Oh yes, does anyone have a clue what to ask for to replace the small rubber
>seal on the metal pipe I moved? Mine is split...I suspect this doesn't help
>the timing?

Or the carb mixture, an appropriate length of correct bore windscreen washer
tubing works fine, either just for the ends or replace the whole thing.

Dave

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:23:43 -0000
Subject: Re: New use for Hi-Lift

oh, right, (takes another slug of Jameson's) thanx Ian..... I think
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:28:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

Iain, you wrote,
>>>>>It is only very recently that manufacturers have latched onto safety 
as a marketing tool but ask anyone who has lost family or friends to 
a road accident for their views on the subject.<<<<<

in another mailing you also wrote:

>>>>>The most  important safety feature is the driver<<<<<

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:13:05 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety

>>>>Not that I am in the habit or running little old ladies down at ped.
crossings<<<<

the silly sod of an MP who started all this never mentioned little old
ladies. It was 7 year old children he was worried about, said that the top
of the bullbar was just the right height to hit them and give them brain
damage (as if sitting in front of a Play Station all day already hadn't) so
I wrote and asked him if I only hit 6 and 8 year olds could I keep my
bullbar :-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:15:42 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety

>>>>PS. Is NATO green an approved colour?<<<<

yes, that is quite (hang on while I pour another Jameson's) acceptable.
You have the nod, Tim m'boyo
(bet youfeel better already)
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:22:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety (was Overfinch Rangie)

>>>>>Content yourself  by
thinking how lucky it is to have more than a handfull of brain cells
actually connected.<<<<
 got a few less since I opened this bottle of Jameson's.... however, I
concede yr point.
It's all down to perception really, whilst we (blue or whatever colour) Land
Rover drivers (any model) KNOW that we are considerate drivers with the odd
working braincell, these dorks  are too stupid to even realise that they are
disadvantaged.
Hell, I can feel my Phd surfacing, philosophy doesn't fit here, not after
I've just spent two hours in the mud and rain getting a working clutch back
for my daughter-in-law 'cos my son's over in Italy... braincells? maybe I
donated one too many to him........

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:27:07 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety

Strange to relate,

Since I have taken the bull bars off the Rangie, I get let onto the motorway
less often, have more pr*tts cutting in and generally feel less safe about
others driving habits.

The Wife (capitalisation denotes respect) has no problem in the LWt. Even
rep(tiles) don't try to cut her up. Must be the sharp edges.

Thinks I'll either have to get the Rangie bull bar re-coated or buy another
one (anyone interested in a slightly rust damaged RR Bull bar with
(supposedly) hinged light guards?

Clive

86 RR EFi
82 SIII LWt
83 SIII SWB (Needs a new chassis and wiring harness)

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From: Ian Stuart <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:49:49 +0000
Subject: [WANTED] Aeroparts capstan winch driver plate

I've got an Aeroparts capstan winch and need the driver plate for the
winch.

I've got the driver dog (which bolts onto the end of the crankshaft in
place of the starting dog), the propshaft and all the other ancilleries
- it's just the plate I need.

The plate has six holes in a ring, and they engage the three pins in the
driver plate.

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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:46:01 -0000
Subject: Re: GPS suppliers

- the standard one works OK through the windscreen except through
>really dense trees. The screen and controls are excellent.

The trees thing is a problem with ALL gps's and will only be helped
marginally by an external ariel, even a top notch multi channel unit will
struggle in trees.

Dave
(Once a GPS marine nav engineer......)
White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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